User talk:Belltreelover

January 2023
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Your submission at Articles for creation: Justin Clancy (musician) (January 6)
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UtherSRG (talk) 18:31, 6 January 2023 (UTC)

Gloucester, Massachusetts
Hello, thanks for your edits there, but please see my edit summary. Graham 87 15:48, 7 January 2023 (UTC)

MOS:IMAGEQUALITY issues in Washington, D.C. and Donkey articles
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 * I can understand the issue with the Washington D.C. image, but what's the issue with the Donkey image? Clear and high quality image, relevant to the article, can I get a good explanation as to why it was removed or am I just going to get the usual? (Belltreelover (talk) 17:06, 9 January 2023 (UTC)
 * The specific MOS:IMAGEQUALITY issue is that the photos were both dark and blurry. Kstern (talk) 17:22, 9 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Donkey_comparisons_belltreelover.png
 * That's quite ironic considering not only that the pictures here on the left have substantially higher quality image resolutions but they have, in order, quadruple and double the amount of pixels than the current images which I tried to replace, which would factually and objectively make them of a better quality image than the ones that they replaced. If you'd like to check this information I'm going to post the links to all 4 images where it shows in writing the image quality of each one*. As for the blur, professional photographers use a technique called "focus" which brings the subject, here being the "donkey" and "cow", into clear focus and adds a slight blur to whatever is in the background so as to make the subject stand out. As you can see with the image on the right, the cow does not stand out at all and rather blends into the picture where as the picture on the left the cow not only stands out among his surroundings but it also makes for a more creative shot all around. As for the darkness, I brought out the contrast to add some vibrance to the photograph which darkens it slightly but that can be undone in editing. As for the original donkey, it not only notes in Wikimedia commons that it is of low image resolution but it also shows that the image was darkened and warns about it, as well. I don't mean to evoke hostility here, rather communication, but lots of times on this website I get the feeling it is more about favoritism, exorcising power and being malignant toward other editors than it is about honest editing and feedback. You can see this evidently, too, when some articles get approved that have no solid references or sources & 2 or 3 secondary sources while other articles with 2 or 3 dozen solid references get shot down with little to no explanation and 0 feedback as to how you can make it better. Shouldn't you guys be giving me feedback as to how to get my picture worthy of having it not taken down so I can make that edit and put it back up? Or is this more about preventing certain editors from contributing?
 * Cows_by_belltreelover.png
 * My replacement Donkey (6,000 × 4,000 pixels, file size: 38.2 MB, MIME type: image/png): https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:CHG_3541_png.png
 * Original Donkey (750 × 536 pixels, file size: 181 KB, MIME type: image/jpeg): https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Donkey_in_Clovelly,_North_Devon,_England.jpg
 * My replacement cow (6,000 × 4,000 pixels, file size: 28.15 MB, MIME type: image/png): https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:CHG_24_photoshop.png
 * Original cow (3,872 × 2,592 pixels, file size: 5.25 MB, MIME type: image/jpeg): https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Cow_(Fleckvieh_breed)_Oeschinensee_Slaunger_2009-07-07.jpg (Belltreelover (talk) 18:46, 9 January 2023 (UTC)
 * . Belltreelover (talk) 18:46, 9 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you for including the side-by-side comparisons. I did not remove the cow image, though I concur with its removal since the photo only shows the head of the animal in detail, making it not encyclopedic enough to be a lead image (MOS:LEADIMAGE). pinging the user who reverted. The donkey image is too dark, and again a profile photo would be more encyclopedic. Kstern (talk) 19:21, 9 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the ping, – I was actually already editing this page. Belltreelover, I came here to apologise for leaving an unnecessarily critical edit summary when I removed those two images from Cattle; it would have cost me nothing to be more courteous, so I'm sorry about that. That said, neither image is of a very high standard. The Fleckvieh image that you removed is a high-quality photograph; it's a featured picture on Commons, and is of a photographic standard that most of us just dream of reaching. Yours is under-exposed, low in contrast, doesn't show the animal and has barbed wire across it; the first two could be at least partially remedied in Photoshop quite easily, but getting rid of the barbed wire probably isn't worth the time/effort. The Shadows/Highlights tool might help bring your donkey out of that pool of darkness, but it still wouldn't tell us much about the animal. The existing lead image is no masterpiece, and at a low resolution; but it gives a good clear idea of what a donkey might be expected to look like. There may be better ones for that spot on on the page, I haven't checked recently. Anyway, in all this, the talk-page is your friend – if you think I was wrong to remove your photo, start a talk-page discussion; others will weigh in, and if all goes well a consensus decision will be reached. Good luck, Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 20:06, 9 January 2023 (UTC)

Reliable sources
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Your submission at Articles for creation: Justin Clancy (musician) (January 12)
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Hitro talk 06:51, 12 January 2023 (UTC)

January 2023
You people all really suck, I come here and try to contribute and dedicate my free time to doing this for free and literally 9 out of ten things I contribute get criticized from 100 parallaxed directions by dorks who never leave their mother's basement. <--- personality disorder No wonder why Wikipedia has to beg for financial contributions. So I edit a page that was once edited by a sock puppet and somehow that gets projected onto me? This whole site is really, truly pathetic and I'm honestly not even sure that I want my account unblocked. I've been told so many conflicting rules and views on these rules that I feel like no matter what I do I'm doing something wrong, I could post a picture with 10 times the image quality as the one it replaced and it's criticized. I could publish a draft with multiple credible and renown third parties writing a literal book on that person and it gets denied. But then I go to some of these other pages, and these articles get passed with literally 0 legitimate references. The bias here is unreal. I can never get a good explanation or feedback for anything that would make my article better, either. You people are high off of the imagined power that this website gives you, I pray for you all. (Belltreelover (talk) 17:31, 12 January 2023 (UTC))

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