User talk:Belovedfreak/Archive 11

Holoki & Digitaldua
Thank you for your report to Usernames for administrator attention (UAA). Whilst the username was a concern, the guidelines at the top of UAA, its instructions at WP:UAA/I, and the policy guidance at WP:BADNAME all recommend to report spammers to the most appropriate board (in this case WP:AIV). Regardless, good work and thanks for your diligence. NJA (t/ c)  11:45, 2 February 2010 (UTC)


 * Hello, thanks for your message re: User:Holoki. I didn't report to AIV because although they obviously were spamming, they hadn't had any warnings until the one I gave, so I didn't think that was appropriate. Is that not the case? Had they not been spamming or had only added, say one link, would you not have blocked them as a violation of the username policy? Just trying to get it all straight in my head - thanks. -- Beloved Freak  11:51, 2 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Likewise User:Digitaldua - had only one warning and hadn't edited after warning. Isn't that more of a username concern? Regards, -- Beloved Freak  11:52, 2 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Heya, thanks for the quick reply. It is a bit confusing, I admit. Essentially we try to limit UAA to blatant name policy violations, where there's nowhere better to report it. Since there was obvious spamming of external links by the two names I mentioned, then WP:AIV would be the best place. However, and admittedly confusingly, if only a link or two had been done by the name(s), then the most serious concern of the two (i.e. name violation versus spamming) would have been the name, thus making it more of a UAA concern in this scenario. Honestly I'm not trying to discourage or confuse you, just hoping that you might be able to see the subtlety between the two scenarios, and thus making your reports that much better. Ask away should you have questions or are completely confused. :) NJA (t/ c)  12:00, 2 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Ok thanks for explaining. It is confusing - it's very subtle, isn't it? But I see where you're coming from. I'll go back an re-read the policies and go from there! -- Beloved Freak  12:08, 2 February 2010 (UTC)

BIt of help
Hi ther! Hope ur ok, Hope you dont mind me bothering you! But you said I could ask if I needed any help. I woul dlike to add an image to one of the pages I've worked on (Tee. A. Corinne) but not sure about what I need to do or how to do it? Could you enlighten me?

Regards!

Orionsbelter (talk) 17:33, 3 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Ok, first of all, where is the image from? Is it one you've taken yourself, or have you found it on the internet? Do you know if it has a copyright? -- Beloved Freak  17:36, 3 February 2010 (UTC)

Hi there!

I don't actually have an image yet - but I have had a look about on the internet. How can you tell if its subject to copyright? Orionsbelter (talk) 17:38, 3 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Usually it will be, unless it specifically states that it has been released under a different licence. With articles about living people, we can only use (nearly always) free images of people since it technically should be possible to obtain one. Since Corinne is no longer alive, it's unlikely that a free image would be obtainable, so a non-free image may qualify as "fair use". It's quite complicated, but have a look at Non-free content which goes over the issues. To actually go about doing it, you would need to upload a picture via the "upload file" link in the toolbox to the left. You need a rationale to go with it, basically to demonstrate why the image is needed in the article, can't be replaced etc. Here is an example: File:Flora Sandes in Salonika with Kara George Star medal.jpg. Also note that the image needs to be a small size & resolution. Having done a little google search of images myself, I would suggest going for a straightforward picture of her, not one of her with someone else, and not one that is particularly "artistic" - maybe one like this? -- Beloved  Freak  18:04, 3 February 2010

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Thanks for the advice Belovedfreak! Although I would quite like to add an image to the article, I think it may be a bit too complicated for me to attempt! I'll put a note in the talk page of the article and ask someone else to have a go for me! Orionsbelter (talk) 20:07, 3 February 2010 (UTC)
 * It is quite complicated, but let me know if you want to go for it, I don't mind talking you through it / checking on the result. -- Beloved Freak  14:28, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

Know what you mean about complicated! I've found an image - and have up loaded it onto the system (thanks for explaining how) but have renow recieved a mesage saying it is being deleted after a week! What should i do? Regards! Orionsbelter (talk) 18:31, 4 February 2010 (UTC)
 * The key to this is using a fair use rationale. Non-free images without a rationale will be deleted because you have to say why you think using that image qualifies as fair use. I've added a rationale for you, so hopefully it won't be deleted now. The important bit of the rationale is the last bit where you say why it's not replaceable.-- Beloved Freak  19:19, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

Allegro redirects
Hello, I always liked Tempo because it showed all the other tempo terms relative to each other. My two cents. DavidRF (talk) 15:11, 5 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Hi, thanks for your message. I didn't know about that page. I was working from the disambiguation page which doesn't mention that one, but now I see it I agree with you that it is a better target. I'll add the link to the dab page and do my best to tidy up after myself. Regards, -- Beloved Freak  15:19, 5 February 2010 (UTC)
 * I've fixed them. -- Beloved Freak  15:52, 5 February 2010 (UTC)

HI
Hi Beloved freak and why did you call your self beloved freak?Germanshepherds100 16:18, 5 February 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Germanshepherds100 (talk • contribs)
 * Hello. See the second sentence of my userpage. -- Beloved Freak  16:23, 5 February 2010 (UTC)

Oh I see sorry if I bothered you.Germanshepherds100 16:45, 5 February 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Germanshepherds100 (talk • contribs)

Span Names
Isn't haveing a Wiki name that premotes a song and album just SPAM —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.149.39.124 (talk) 15:02, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

SeeLincolnshire.co.uk
Did you even have a look at the link before you dissided it was spam.

It is just a link to an image gallery, a very nice one i mite add

do you think that this link is spam

BBC > Lincolnshire > In Pictures > 360 Panoramas

It's not all of Lincolnshire's amateur photographers get recognized by the BBC

Thanks for looking —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.149.39.124 (talk) 15:15, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
 * answered at User talk:86.149.39.124.-- Beloved Freak  15:42, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the answer, But to be honest with you, 17 out of 20 pages that I've just view on wiki's have contained wrong and/or misleading information on them about the area, this is what you should be looking for... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.158.81.221 (talk) 16:05, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

Yoruba
14 corrections to articles I contributed to, all in less than an hour! You are flooding my watchlist! Time to start being more careful about checking links ... Thanks, and keep up the good work. :~) Aymatth2 (talk) 16:47, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
 * No problem! :) -- Beloved Freak  16:58, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

Why are you deleting the anole care links?
Wikipedia is meant to HELP people. Someone who may have found an anole either outside or in a box of oranges* may search wikipedia for info on it hoping to care for it.

Do you want dead lizards haunting you?
 * yes that did happen. Someone clicked on my link through wikipedia, read my care site, and emailed me saying that he would've just killed it had i not helped him.

Mrgoogfan (talk) 05:19, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Heaven forbid, no. Replied at User talk:Mrgoogfan.-- Beloved Freak  12:26, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
 * from User talk:Mrgoogfan:
 * Hello, I removed the links to your website because they don't really add anything of encyclopaedic value to the articles. I'm sure your website is very helpful, and I'm glad you're able to save lizard lives, but that's not really what Wikipedia is about. There are lots of helpful websites out there that help people, but this is an encyclopaedia. It's not a directory of links, or a how-to guide. (See What Wikipedia is not.) If you have useful information to add to these articles, then please add it as prose, and make sure it's backed up by reliable sources. Not your own website though, that would be a conflict of interest. Wikipedia is also not here to help you promote your own website. Let me know if you still have questions, Regards, -- Beloved Freak  12:23, 8 February 2010 (UTC)


 * Well the thing that really bugs me is that those links have been up for over a year and nobody had a problem. Only when i updated them because i moved the website did they get deleted. Many admins have visited those pages while they were up and do not seem to be bothered by them, only you.


 * Also i have noticed that someone other anonymous user seems to have reverted your edits in disagreement with you. It wasn't me. my ip is 71.186.193.167. This only proves my point that people feel those links are useful.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mrgoogfan (talk • contribs) 19:43, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Ok, well I can understand you feeling annoyed when they were there for so long, but the thing is, Wikipedia is a work in progress. It has millions of articles and millions of articles that are less than perfect and need work done on them. Just because other editors have seen the articles and not noticed the links up until now, or were not bothered by them, doesn't mean that ultimately they should be there. "People" may feel that links are useful but people are also capable of using google to find sites like yours. It's not just me that thinks like this, What Wikipedia is not is a Wikipedia policy.


 * It seems that you know a lot about anoles, and you seem to want to improve Wikipedia, so it would be great if you could improve the articles in other ways. Blue anole for example is a very short article, maybe you could find some information from reliable sources and add to it. Maybe you have some books or magazines about anoles that would have some useful information that could be added. Regards, -- Beloved Freak  15:23, 9 February 2010 (UTC)


 * Mrgoogfan: It might be better to take this up somewhere like External links/Noticeboard.-- Beloved Freak  12:18, 10 February 2010 (UTC)

Anole Care Is this the one Off2riorob (talk) 16:27, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
 * WP:ELNO Although nice, the content looks like its on personal web pages from someone who is interested in the topic but there is no assertion that the person is a recognized authority on the subject, so no. Similar content could be added to the articles to help people though, if you can find similar stuff on wikipedia reliable sources. Off2riorob (talk) 16:48, 10 February 2010 (UTC)

Third Opinion Hi, I found this on WP:3O. The addition of the link in question to existing articles appears to violate WP:ELNO. Instead, since User:Mrgoogfan appears to be interested in the use and care of Anoles as pets, they could start contributing to Wikipedia on the subject. A good place to begin would possibly be creating a section such as Polychrotidae, where, using reliable sources (i.e. not his/her personal web page), they could contribute the information they seem to think is missing from Wikipedia. Keep in mind, however, that Wikipedia is not a how-to guide. Mildly MadTC 17:04, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Rebuttal

So what everybody is saying is that if i did not write the website myself, it would be fine. Well i have bad news for you. There WAS an anole care website written by an expert (anole herpetologist) but he was ill for quite some time and died early last year. The website went down with him. Now all websites on the matter are written by "normal" people or are pet store caresheets (which are quite possibly the WORST way to care for your pet). All of the websites really contain nothing but a few paragraphs on the subject, while mine contains pages. For example look at the first pages on google when one types "anole care" and see how little info there is.

My website has been up for 4 years and it is still not indexed by search engines, because they dont like subdomains. Really the only way people (so far 8,000 of them) can see it is through those wikipedia links. I was suggested to put a small burb about anloe care on wikipedia, with my references as one of those websites. Not only would the references lead to crappy websites, some with info that may be dangerous to the anole's health, but honestly, nobdy looks at the references. They bowse the article and look at external links. Over 8,000 people have followed that link. I have received numerous emails thanking me for providing the best info. I have also received many emails asking for further help. I feel that i have made a damn good rebuttal, and if nothing else, i will hold a poll on the subject. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mrgoogfan (talk • contribs) 20:17, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
 * 1) 1 small wikihow on subject
 * 2) 2 wikipedia itself
 * 3) 3 small care sheet
 * 4) 4 better than the rest, but still not very comprehensive
 * 5) 5 isnt comprehensive, and some suggestions are dangerous for anoles!
 * 6) 6 seems to be a blank page
 * 7) 7 tiny caresheet giving terrible info.
 * 8) 8 another small caresheet
 * 9) 9 is an advertisement.
 * No, if you hadn't written the website yourself, it still would not be an appropriate external link, or an appropriate reference, since it's not a reliable source. The fact that it is your website just adds the further problem of a conflict of interest. If there are no websites out there that would be reliable sources, then that's a shame, but there's not much we can do about that. What about books, newspapers, academic journals? I do believe that you want to improve Wikipedia and your edits outside of this issue seem to be in good faith, but the more you argue about Wikipedia driving visitors to your website, the more it sounds like you are acting in the interests of self-promotion. -- Beloved  Freak  20:36, 10 February 2010 (UTC)


 * Again, Wikipedia is not the place to promote your website. If you want to increase traffic to your site, you should find another way to do so, perhaps by setting up your site so it is indexed by Google.  As stated by WP:ELNO #11: "One should avoid links to blogs, personal web pages and most fansites, except those written by a recognized authority."  As far as reliable sources are concerned, if you doubt the quality of available internet sources, I'm sure there are plenty of academic papers or non-internet sources on the subject that you can use.  After all, how did you acquire the information for your site? Mildly MadTC 20:50, 10 February 2010 (UTC)


 * I AM NOT JUST TRYING TO PROMOTE MY SITE! i am trying to help other people. someone who is looking for anole care isn't going to search the web for academic papers, buy a book, etc. Wekipedia is meant to be an EASY WAY TO HELP PEOPLE. I am really starting to lose faith in this once- user created website. Every change that some admin does not agree with gets shot down. This website seems to be run now by admins, not the community it was meant to help. "the encyclopedia anyone can edit" ...bullshit. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mrgoogfan (talk • contribs) 05:08, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
 * As I said, I do believe you're trying to be helpful, but it sounds a little like you're trying to promote it when you're complaining that it's not indexed by search engines and that all of your visitors come via Wikipedia. This issue has nothing to do with "admins v users" - none of the people that have spoken to you in this thread are admins, we are all just ordinary users like you. It is still a user created website, but there are so many users, it's important that we build consensus. Policies and guidelines are written by users over many years. They represent the consensus of the community. They're not set in stone, and changes can be made, if consensus is reached. We've made suggestions on how you can help improve those articles, and I hope you take them up. Noone is suggesting that people looking for anole care reads journals or (heaven forbid) buy a book, we were suggesting that if you have books, you could use them to improve the articles. Wikipedia is, as you say, the "encyclopaedia anyone can edit" - not the "link directory that anyone can add their link to".-- Beloved  Freak  10:05, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

St Botolph's Church, Boston
Belovedfreak, can you please stop editing the St Botolph's Church, Thanks Brother Tom —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.147.161.252 (talk) 13:24, 8 February 2010 (UTC)

Missy Higgins peer review
Hi, I should have watchlisted the peer review. I'll spend some time tonight having a look through and reading the comments - Peripitus (Talk) 20:26, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks! -- Beloved Freak  20:37, 10 February 2010 (UTC)

The Sound of White (song)
Okay. If you want to undo that, it's fine. Preferably with the addition of a source; I redirected because it was so short and unsourced, and didn't say the song charted. Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • (Many otters • One bat • One hammer) 22:18, 19 February 2010 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Hester Bateman
Hello! Your submission of Hester Bateman at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and there still are some issues that may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! Simon Burchell (talk) 18:08, 20 February 2010 (UTC)

Cookie


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 * Thanks! (reply) -- Beloved Freak  16:24, 22 February 2010 (UTC)

Final discussion for Requests for comment/Biographies of living people
Hello, I note that you have commented on the first phase of Requests for comment/Biographies of living people

As this RFC closes, there are two proposals being considered:
 * 1) Proposal to Close This RfC
 * 2) Alternate proposal to close this RFC: we don't need a whole new layer of bureaucracy

Your opinion on this is welcome. Okip  02:08, 24 February 2010 (UTC)

Kagera River
Just to let you know I've replied to your comments. &mdash; SteveRwanda (talk) 14:57, 26 February 2010 (UTC)

Talkpage warnings
Hit there, just a quick note to let you know that you don't need to warn editors more than onece for the same action. For example, at User talk:Jakebarryemillecollier, I'd already warned him for creating an inappropriate article, so warning him again when he hasn't edited again is a bit much. I realise your warning only came 1 minute after mine though, so you might not have noticed, or there might have been an edit conflict, but just thought I'd mention it. Keep up the good work anyway! Regards, -- Beloved Freak  16:12, 27 February 2010 (UTC)


 * oh sorry, i thought it was only the speedy delete nomination template there, i didnt even see the warning. --Abb615 (talk) 16:19, 27 February 2010 (UTC)
 * No problem! -- Beloved Freak  16:20, 27 February 2010 (UTC)

Just need a little more help
About formatting my signature properly ^^... I've tried removing the space between the triple apostrophies in this segment  Indigo ]] [[User talk:Indigochild777|  so that it now looks like this  Indigo ]][[User talk:Indigochild777|  But what happens is, the output now look looks like this  Indigo  child  The space is removed, but notice how the Indigo is no longer in bold, now italicised, and surrounded by apostrophies. Is there a way to fix this? I'm hoping to the outpout to look like this  Indigo   child  only with no space in between the two words. I apologize if I'm nagging you too much ^^ —Preceding undated comment added 00:17, 28 February 2010 (UTC).
 * No problem, I'm not sure if I can help any further, but I'll have a little play around and see if I can work it out.-- Beloved Freak  00:18, 28 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Aha! - try this: Indigo  child  -- Beloved  Freak  00:24, 28 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Awesome! It works! Thanks for helping :D ! Indigo  child  00:29, 28 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Ah, good. You're welcome! -- Beloved Freak  00:31, 28 February 2010 (UTC)

WikiProject Films February 2010 Newsletter
The February 2010 issue of the Films WikiProject newsletter has been published. You may read the newsletter, change the format in which future issues will be delivered to you, or unsubscribe from this notification by following the link. If you have an idea for improving the newsletter please leave a message on my talk page. --Happy editing! Nehrams2020 (talk • contrib) 04:32, 1 March 2010 (UTC)

GAR Missy Higgins
Not a problem, as long as I can go back to an earlier section (especially happens with the Lead) and add more comments there after you've covered that particular section. After all we're collaborating here to make this article better.shaidar cuebiyar ( talk | contribs ) 12:34, 2 March 2010 (UTC)

GA Missy Higgins
Congratulations on your outstanding work in getting Missy Higgins up to GA. Please consider doing a review yourself to help with the backlog.

Aside, be careful with strikethroughs—I was OK with your use—they may limit access to the process by outside editors if they can't see what's been said by others. A simple Done after each point or section would suffice.shaidar cuebiyar ( talk | contribs ) 00:09, 8 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Yeah good point, kind of went off it half way through anyway!-- Beloved Freak  00:12, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

Kanishka
Hey there, Belovedfreak, Just wondering why you undid my adding the link to an online catalogue of coins of Kanishka ... do take a look at the page I am linking to. I like to think it is in the best tradition of Wikipedia, at a level of detail too specific for Wikipedia itself. My aim is to inform and educate. Here's the link again: http://coinindia.com/galleries-kanishka.html CoinIndia (talk) 00:03, 6 March 2010 (UTC)

Haven't heard back from you, so I am going to add that link again. Do take a look at it before deciding to cut it again. I think you will agree it is a useful addition. Thanks! CoinIndia (talk) 11:57, 6 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Replied at User talk:CoinIndia.-- Beloved Freak  12:28, 6 March 2010 (UTC)

Burger Adventure
I am writing to you regarding your elimination of a link for HAMBURGER. I understand your concern. However, the link was added with the pure intention of diplaying current examples of what typical "the Lot" burgers consist of in Australia.

Thankyou —Preceding unsigned comment added by Burgeradventure (talk • contribs) 15:21, 6 March 2010 (UTC)
 * I believe that "the lot" burgers are already described in the article. If you wish to expand on that, then please do, with references to reliable sources (ie. not your own blog). If you feel that the article needs more pictures, then please upload free images to the commons and then add a link to them from within the article, which will display the image. Let me know if you need more help with that. Please also have a read over External links and What Wikipedia is not. Regards, -- Beloved Freak  15:48, 6 March 2010 (UTC)