User talk:Belovedfreak/Archive 8

Jeremy Andrews (Scientz) User Page
Do not EVER, under ANY circumstances, touch my user page again. Scientz (talk) 01:09, 15 May 2008 (UTC)


 * It's my opinion that this has become a personal grudge with you because of my edits to MDMA (in which, I notice, my edit appears to have "won") . . . Grow up. I (or my user page) would not have even come to your attention were it not for my edits on MDMA. My user page has been like that for well over a year without any other Wikipedian taking offense or needlessly editing it. My user page does not violate Wiki protocols (I've read them twice now). Most telling, in fact, is the sentence in "What may I not have on my user page?" that reads: "The Wikipedia community is generally tolerant and offers fairly wide latitude in applying these guidelines to regular participants." If this is the case, where is your tolerance? To me, your attempts to edit my user page are transparent, and I'd appreciate it if you'd stop hiding behind Wiki protocols that do not say what you claim they say. If you want to discuss edits I've made to the general content pages, fine . . . that is what Wiki is here for. If you want to continue this asinine edit war over my user page, then I shall stand by my claim that you are being unnecessarily immature. Stop. I'm done speaking to you about this topic. Scientz (talk) 17:01, 16 May 2008 (UTC)


 * I'm curious how you have arrived at the judgment that that material appears without their consent . . . have you spoken with my father, mother, or grandparents? Also, your own quote only refers to "unsourced or poorly sourced material", so how did you interpret your edit as falling within those guidelines? Last time I checked, the birth dates on Wiki did not have a footnote. If your interpretation is indeed correct, then I'd better start putting "citation required" tags on several hundred thousand birth dates. So which is it I'm violating again? Just leave the page alone. Scientz (talk) 18:50, 16 May 2008 (UTC)


 * In fact I am not, although your suggestion has been duly noted. Scientz (talk) 18:57, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

adoption
hi there - I'm back - are you still able to adopt me? I've just made some edits to Ishmael Beah's page - an entry that has attracted controversy in the past (see history and discussion). So I would appreciate your advice if those issues re-occur. Leaving aside the question of bias, which is always going to be a subjective judgement, I think that the page as it stood was factually misleading in a couple of places. Oops as you can see I am also crap at formatting, this message appeared in the wrong place - I'm sorry! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rosabibi (talk • contribs) 18:57, 16 May 2008

Thanks for your advice. No, I don't want to get into edit wars, so I'm glad for you thoughts on how to avoid that. It isn't just the content of the entry that bothered me, but the fact that changes were being made at the instigation of the publisher, who by several media accounts has been extremely high-handed over the whole issue. What is the deal about sources? There was talk on the discussion page about needing "secondary sources", which just seems weird to me and I can't find anything in the guidelines that seems to validate it. I've always been taught to value primary sources, and I really couldn't see the point of referencing media coverage that was basically just reporting on the original reports. I've included some material from the Village voice article because it did include some new interviews etc. But still no extra on the ground reporting.Oops, forgot to sign again. And what is the formatting thing that makes lines appear in that box thing, and how do I get rid of it?--Rosabibi (talk) 16:17, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

Me again. Thank you for your time and for your interest. I fixed the title and added a couple of catagories (after much messing around) but I still couldn't get the references to show up - I'm a bear of very little brain on technical things. I'll take another look when I have more energy and am feeling more alert. I know a lot about nineteenth century women travel writers, however. And not many of them have wikipedia pages, so I'll add some more entries, as well as adding more to the Sophia Lane Poole entry. Thanks again. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rosabibi (talk • contribs) 12:50, 29 May 2008 (UTC) Done! although I should go back and put in more complete reference details - but that will have to wait til morning. Yawn. Thank you!--Rosabibi (talk) 14:45, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

New Focus at Unreferenced articles
The huge set of unreferenced articles from June of 2006 is finally completed. Thank you for your contributions. The new focus at Unreferenced articles is Category:Articles lacking sources from July 2006 which as of May 28 is only 1,322 articles and should go much quicker. Thank you to everyone who has contributed and listed themselves as a volunteer. Jeepday (talk) 12:07, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

WikiProject Films May 2008 Newsletter
The May 2008 issue of the Films WikiProject newsletter has been published. You may read the newsletter, change the format in which future issues will be delivered to you, or unsubscribe from this notification by following the link. Thank you. This has been an automated delivery by BrownBot (talk) 19:45, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

Adoption request
Hi Belovedfreak I was looking at the Adoption page and found you. I just wrote my first article in German about a company. Now I want to write an article about that company in English. However, I am not sure, how I am supposed to prove all my facts as most of the proves are in German. Are you willing to help me?

Best regards, --Nisse149 (talk) 08:53, 11 June 2008 (UTC)Nisse 149

Hello Belovedfreak

I'm sorry for not having answered for some time. I now put the article on my user page, without internal Wikipedia links. I know it's not supposed to be there but I was not able to find the correct place. I'm quite inexperienced with these things. Please give me feedback as soon as possible! Thank you very much in advance--Nisse149 (talk) 13:54, 24 June 2008 (UTC)Nisse149

Hello, I am a student in AP Biology working on a project with wikipedia. I was wondering if you could help me? I have not picked a subject yet but I will very soon, maybe you can help me pick one if you are interested. I am new to all this wikipedia stuff and I would glady appreciate your help. Our mission is to take a stub and turn it into GA or FA status. Can you help me? --Amitampocco (talk) 20:42, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

LGBT WikiProject Newsletter
{| class="navbox collapsible collapsed" style="text-align: left; border: 0px; margin-top: 0.2em;" ! style="background-color: #CC9966; text-align: center;" |The LGBT studies WikiProject Newsletter  {| The LGBT studies WikiProject Newsletter! Issue XV: June 11, 2008
 * style="border: solid 1px purple;"|
 * style="border: solid 1px purple;"|
 * colspan="2" valign="middle" style="width: 60%; border: 1px purple solid; padding: 1em; background: #ffe4e1" |
 * valign="top" style="border: 1px purple solid; padding: 1em; width: 75%; " |
 * valign="top" style="border: 1px purple solid; padding: 1em; width: 75%; " |

Hello, members and friends of WP:LGBT! I'm not one to be writing newsletters, but I miss our cruise director, Miss Julie, and our project is drifting along with a few leaking plugs in the bottom of the boat. Hey, it happens. Every group we join goes through changes. If Wikipedia weren't so interesting it wouldn't also be so frustrating sometimes. And vice versa. More than one Wikiproject has tumbleweeds blowing through it, but this is one that can't afford to let that happen. Even if you pop in to the talk page of the project, you can let us know you're still around.

{| style="font-size: 90%;"
 * valign="top" |
 * valign="top" |

WP:LGBT's Role in HIV / AIDS articles
It wouldn't be a proper gay community without a li'l bit o' drama! That's right. If we aren't arguing about something, then we should be asking if we're still queer. Maybe that's for the best, since we know we're still kicking. Our most recent topic is how far the role of our project should go in dipping our toes into HIV/AIDS articles. The main AIDS article was delisted as a Featured Article last month, sadly. (Sending a swift kick to WP:Medicine.) A spirited discussion is available for your entertainment on the WP:LGBT talk page about just how much of HIV and AIDS should we take on. As ever, we'll take your opinions under advisement. We're going to have to, because it doesn't seem to have been settled.

Is Pride POV?
We have a pretty cool sidebar that identifies core LGBT articles. Its symbol is the iconic gay pride flag, much like other Wikiprojects have iconic symbols denoting the topic is a core subject in a series of articles. However, a question recently arose asking if the symbol itself is not neutral. Should a pride flag show up at the top of the article on Conversion therapy? How else would anyone know the article is about queer issues? Is there another symbol that is as widely recognized and that includes all our many splintered facets? At what point do we stop asking ourselves all these questions and just go have a mint julep on the verandah and stop caring?

Harvey Milk and Jim Jones
For the love of all that is holy, no Kool Aid jokes. However, an editor involved in pioneering San Francisco Supervisor Harvey Milk's article has included a section about the late supervisor's support of Jim Jones and the People's Temple. While it may be accurate, there is a Request for Comment regarding how much emphasis the section places on Milk's support in light of his overall political influence on the city, and indeed the rest of the United States. Milk's article is a sad one in more ways than one. It lacks the detail and heart that honors its subject. Anyone want to do a barter with me? I'll bring Harvey Milk to featured status (give me a month or two so I can read stuff), if you do something of equal value to WP:LGBT?? Make me an offer...

Queer Studies is offensive!
The established branch of study known as Queer studies was brought up as an category for deletion because an editor was offended by the use of "queer" in the title. It was overwhelmingly rejected mostly by the usernames I see here on our Wikiproject page. (A clue that I know you are out there, hiding...biding your time...) So, I wish I could congratulate you, but now I'm all confused by my sympathy for the editor who was offended. So, if you're reading this, Moni has a short memory and can't remember your username. Don't be put off by our demonstrative pushiness. Join us. We can always use involved editors.

Lambda Literary Awards
What can you do to help the project out? Be a wiki-fairy, on many levels. There are all kinds of articles that need help. Why, just this morning I removed those ugly wikify and cleanup tags from four articles at random. If you can put  around stuff, you can clean up articles. There's a list of articles that need attention at the top of the WP:LGBT talk page. Or you can start with the Lambda Literary Awards, where the goddess of my altar received a pioneering award, and was "reduced to rubble" by Katherine V. Forrest's wonderful speech. The 20th ceremony of the Lambda Literary Awards, which celebrates LGBT literature, took place in West Hollywood on May 29th. The page needs to be updated with the new winners, to be found on the official website.


 * valign="top" |

Yeshayahu Leibowitz, Arthur C. Clarke and Bernard Montgomery
Why on earth would someone want to delete material about homosexuality? 'Tis truly a mystery. But these embattled articles have some random evil gnomes removing information that places these folks under our queer umbrella. Help us keep an eye out for the deletions. Take a peek at the articles, familiarize yourselves with the info, and be handy with the undo function in the article history. If tempers flare, take it to the Hall monitors and let them sort it out. Best solution is to make sure your sources are immaculate.

This month's Wiki stars
This is what I get for opening my big fat mouth and suggesting the newsletter should be revived. Here I am writing it. So, to pat self on back (*cough*) Mulholland Dr. became a featured article in May. This is A Good Thing since it is my personal declaration that there is no such thing as lesbian porn. I don't care what Benjiboi says about the video collection at goodvibes. Instead, we have hot women who connect on a deep, personal, soul-touching level, so this film should qualify as some of the skankiest porn available for lesbians. Plus, it's completely confusing and surreal! D'you think Laura Harring would care that the article is featured? I don't think so either... (Call me, Laura!)

Compulsive hoarding of templates
Once I saw a harrowing episode of Animal Planet's Animal Cops where this guy had, like, 250 cats in his house and it freaked me right out. I'm drawing a parallel between 250 cats and, well...three, really, templates in articles involving LGBT issues. Can we stick to one, maybe? In the aforementioned Harvey Milk's article there's a core LGBT template, a link to the LGBT portal, and a sidebar for LGBT rights. Jiminy! You'd think we weren't the folk to set industrial grey carpeting and track lighting in vogue. An LGBT footer was designed to link to articles of interest that aren't the aforementioned core articles. What do you think, can we have either an LGBT template for core articles, a footer for LGBT articles that are high profile but not core, or an LGBT rights template? As ever, anything's up for discussion on the WP:LGBT talk page.

The Violet Quill and magazines
Zigzig20s suggests we create an article on The Violet Quill, as it seems such a milestone in the advancement of gay/queer literature. Members of the Quill all have pages of their own (Edmund White, Christopher Cox, Robert Ferro, Michael Grumley, Andrew Holleran, Felice Picano, and George Whitmore). We need to find more info on the Quill per se to reference the page that we create. Perhaps Google Books - and libraries? - can help.

A number of magazines also need articles, perhaps most notably QW, LGNY, and Lesbian Feminist Liberation.

Mom's nagging for Pride Month
It's June, Pride month. Wear sunscreen, stay hydrated, get a designated driver, then go half-dressed in the streets find a girlfriend or boyfriend, or some homo who's standing there looking lonely and kiss 'em up real good. Remember, it all started 39 years ago when a bunch of drag queens just got fed the f*ck up by the cops raiding the bar and dragging them all out to the pokey again. Rock on, queens! Enjoy your celebrations. My town's is in October, and 200 people attend. I miss Denver.

Fresh faces to brighten our pages
Hey, I've seen you around! Sorry there seem to be so many—it's been a while. But we welcome you all: Cheezisyum21, Taineyah, Dustihowe, Avesta69, RachelSummers77, Vivekgopinathan, AMK1211, Staffwaterboy, Ted Ted, Joe5150, Leahtwosaints, Robapalooza, Arthomure, Confusionball, Affinity likely, PrinceOfCanada, Yobmod, Npd2983, Neagley, Bvlax2005, Bvlax2005, Rhullsf, Textorus, Kieran.casey, Tyciol, Meojive, Sappho'd, Bookkeeperoftheoccult,  Gaywarrior, Aujourd'hui, maman est morte, and Balin42632003.

It looks like we've picked up a lot of talent lately. We have no doubt you'll be making your indelible mark on LGBT knowledge as we know it, here at Wikipedia.

- In the immortal words of Miss Julie, "May all your Wiki days be bright, and may your Love Boat never turn into a Poseidon."
 * }

We miss you, Miss Julie, as well as all the others who have graced our project and are on wiki-breaks or just got fed up with all the nuttiness and went to live their lives. Get your stupid houses built and hurry up and come back. --Moni3 (talk) 16:52, 9 June 2008 (UTC) To stop receiving this newsletter, or to receive it in a different format, please let us know here. If you have any news or any announcements to be broadcast, do let Moni3 know.
 * valign="top" colspan="2" style="padding: 0.5em; text-align: right; font-size: 85%; " |
 * valign="top" colspan="2" style="padding: 0.5em; text-align: right; font-size: 85%; " |
 * }
 * }

This newsletter was delivered by §hepBot around 16:02, 11 June 2008 (UTC). ShepBot (talk) 16:11, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

Thanks
Hi. Thank you very much for helping with the problem I ran into and especially for doing it so quickly. Adnan--Adnkhan (talk) 17:35, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

Adopted needs quick help
Hello mentor

I'm not sure you saw my message below, I really need some feedback on my article, thx!--Nisse149 (talk) 15:16, 25 June 2008 (UTC)Nisse 149

Conversion therapy issue
Thank you for having a word with 66.30.20.71 about changing "reparative therapy" to "conversion therapy." Unfortunately, what you said does not seem to be enough, since he is still making that change, and it is usually a serious error. I am going to undo his changes, and if he does not accept that, then there will be ongoing problems with multiple articles. Something needs to be done on the conversion therapy article and talk page to prevent this kind of confusion. Skoojal (talk) 23:47, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

I have made several points in regards to my concerns about possible POV-pushing afoot. If this issue interests you, please visit Talk:Conversion therapy. Thank you. Whistling42 (talk) 11:02, 27 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Accusations of POV pushing against others are common from people who engage in POV pushing. I have to note that your edit to Exodus International misrepresented the sources the article is based upon: they talk about reparative therapy, not conversion therapy, so you are misrepresenting the facts. Skoojal (talk) 22:04, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

WikiProject Films June 2008 Newsletter
The June 2008 issue of the Films WikiProject newsletter has been published. You may read the newsletter, change the format in which future issues will be delivered to you, or unsubscribe from this notification by following the link. Happy editing! --Nehrams2020 (talk) 23:44, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

Orderman
Hi mentor,

I really need your help as nobody answered my question on the notability. I want to try to put the article online and see then what happens, do you think that's a good idea? Do you have suggestions how I could have sound him less advertisment-like as this is not what I want? Please help me! --Nisse149 (talk) 07:28, 4 July 2008 (UTC)Nisse149

Afd Withdrawl
Hi Belovedfreak,

I have decided to withdraw (only) the Afd nomination for the Comparison of web conferencing software. The wisest course of action for me is to withdraw and not be involved with this specific article. Feel free to e-mail me. Thank you for your assistance. GaryECampbell (talk) 09:25, 6 July 2008 (UTC)


 * For the 2nd AfD nominated, what is the process? It's been 7 days. - (Gary) - DustyRain (talk) 14:23, 8 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Someone else can nominate the comparison article, that's OK. The vendor article was what I was referring to above (7 days). - DustyRain (talk) 16:21, 8 July 2008 (UTC)


 * See my comments: Articles_for_deletion/Comparison_of_web_conferencing_software. Also sent email. DustyRain (talk) 16:30, 8 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Re other AfD - Perhaps it should be included in the Web or Internet category ? - DustyRain (talk) 17:18, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

luis munoz
hi frank thanks for the help with luis munoz!! one more question when will i be able to add pictures? do I have to wait to be a member for a certain amount of time?- Aquinop —Preceding unsigned comment added by Aquinop (talk • contribs) 03:26, 8 July 2008

CfD nomination of Category:Burkinabé playwrights
Category:Burkinabé playwrights, which you created, has been nominated for deletion, merging, or renaming. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the Categories for discussion page. Thank you. Good Ol’factory (talk) 19:56, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

Clan Maxwell - External Links
Whilst I do agree that user 198.103.184.76 did go a bit over the top with the number of external links, it is not uncommon amongst the various Wiki Clan entries to include a link to Clan Societies and the like. Surely there is some scope for a couple of relevent links? --Heraldic (talk) 09:33, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the response. I've reinstated three Clan Maxwell Society links as that sort of thing seems to be acceptable amongst other clan entries.  --Heraldic (talk) 10:39, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

adoption request
Thank you for your reply to my comments on the Africa page. I also received a Welcome message and invitation to WikiProject Africa - thanks for that - I have added my name to the members list. I would like to request mentorship (adoption) since I have found a stub which I could contribute towards: Education in Swaziland. Your assistance in adding content according to Good articles criteria will be invaluable. venzen (talk) 12:03, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

I am really happy to be adopted by someone with your particular track record and expertise :) Where do we 'meet' and discuss? On this talk page or my own? I guess my own is better, since I will have a record of all our discussions and progress in a single place (I will name the section Mentorship) venzen (talk) 12:39, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

Todd Meagher
Just to let you know I meant no offense to yourself when I replaced the CSD tag. It is just that the tag and the warning placed on the user's talkpage quite plainly state what they should do so I've replaced the tag as I don't see an assertion of notability and the tag if its removal is appropriate should be done by someone that isn't the author. Thanks. Jasynnash2 (talk) 12:36, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
 * That's fine, no offence taken! I had a feeling somebody would. I agree there is no real assertion of notability, but given that there are some ghits, I wanted to give the editor a chance to improve it. But then again, he/she really shouldn't have created it in the first place given the COI and if an article is needed, someone will write one at some point. Thanks for the explanation anyway. -- Beloved Freak  13:03, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
 * You are welcome. I like to try and explain my actions to people. I think it is important for clarity and historical purposes. Jasynnash2 (talk) 13:06, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

LGBT WikiProject Newsletter (July 2008)

 * Newsletter delivery by xenobot  12:49, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

Help needed
Hi. I saw that you contributed to The Paradox of Choice: Why More Is Less. There's an anonymous user who is very adamant about advertising their school or school system in the article. Would you mind taking a look? Cheers, --Ademkader (talk) 22:21, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm afraid I'm not familiar with the subject, my edit was just to fix a link to a deisambiguation page. I will put it on my watchlist for a while though to keep an eye on things. I see you are discussing the issue on the article talkpage which is a good start. Let's see how things go.-- Beloved Freak  21:00, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

WikiProject Films July 2008 Newsletter
The July 2008 issue of the Films WikiProject newsletter has been published. You may read the newsletter, change the format in which future issues will be delivered to you, or unsubscribe from this notification by following the link. Thank you. This has been an automated delivery by BrownBot (talk) 01:58, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

thankspam
I appreciate your concerns about the tone I set with my RfA. I would never use the tools to make a point, but it's not fair to expect people to trust me on that when my RfA raises POINT concerns just on its own. In general, I tend to dance too close to POINT violations in wikipedia-space on a regular basis, and while I would strictly avoid any POINT violations involving the tools in the same way that I strictly avoid POINT violations in mainspace, it's impossible for people to be sure of that. Much thanks for taking the time to consider me.  Mr. IP  《 Defender of Open Editing 》 14:31, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

Rock music WikiProject
I'd like to invite you to join the newly-formed Rock music WikiProject. There's alot of Rock-related articles on Wikipedia that could use a little attention, and I hope this project can help organize an effort to improve them. So please, take a look and if you like what you see, help us get this project off the ground and a few Rock music pages into the front ranks of Wikipedia articles. Thanks! --Be Black Hole Sun (talk) 08:57, 9 August 2008 (UTC)