User talk:Benbrattlover

I'm sorry but your version is NOT encyclopedic either, and worst of all it gives away the entire plot, ruining it for those planning to see this movie!

At least my version is based on the official synopsis posted at the Yash Raj Veer Zaara website!

Veer-Zaara
Here is the problem: As you said, that's the official site's version, so it violates its copyright. -- Shahid •  Talk 2 me  20:32, 29 June 2007 (UTC) It's not copyrighted, because it is not plaigiarized from the official site, it is just my version based on the official synopsis.(Benbrattlover 22:48, 30 June 2007 (UTC))

'''Once again, PLEASE STOP changing the Veer Zaara synopsis to your STUPID version! Your version is just HORRIBLE. If someone read that, wanting to find out a little about the movie before watching it, your synopsis would TOTALLY RUIN it for them, and they'd never want to see it!'''

'''WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU?? Don't you have any consideration for people who might want to see this movie??'''

'''PLEASE STOP changing it to versions that destroy the entire plot and surprises of the movie. You're wasting your time changing it, because each time you do, I will keep on fixing it so that those people who are waiting to see it, don't have the entire story ruined by reading your terrible synopsis.''' (Benbrattlover 22:48, 30 June 2007 (UTC))

Please stop
This is your last warning. The next time you vandalize Wikipedia, you will be blocked from editing. Shahid •  Talk 2 me  07:16, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

I am NOT vandalizing the page! I am trying to stop you from ruining the plot for people who come to the page to just get a little information about the movie, and end up having you tell them the entire movie!

For the LOVE of GOD, STOP changing the Veer Zaara synopsis! No, I am not happy with your latest edit, because it STILL gives away the entire plot of the movie, and RUINS it for those who haven't seen it yet! THAT is THE POINT! My synopsis KEEPS the element of surprise for those wanting to get info about the movie without destroying the entire plot, like you keep doing!

PLEASE STOP changing the Veer Zaara synopsis! (Benbrattlover 22:50, 2 July 2007 (UTC))

Listen
Which part of copyrighted synopsis you have problems in understanding? Stop it please.

And all these rhetoric questions are unneeded (Who is Veer? Why is he in prison?). It's not a fansite here. This synopsis is to tell the whole story, it's not for advertisment. I added more details, but please stop doing the same, you will be blocked from editing. Please stop and try to find another good occupation here. Write a new synopsis. I believe you could be a good user, but making cut and copy, like you did in the Veer-Zaara page is not permitted. Please try to understand.

And look this:

''Saamiya Siddiqui (Rani Mukerji) is an idealistic Pakistani lawyer, whose mission in life is to pave the path for women's empowerment. Her late father who also fought for human rights is her inspiration. But to dissuade females from entering the field of law, and keep the profession restricted to males, the first case Saamiya has been given is that of Prisoner #786 (Shahrukh Khan), a case most people consider impossible to win. Prisoner #786 is a man who has been sitting in prison, without speaking a single word for the past 22 years. The fact that a (Hindu) prisoner has been assigned this holy (Islamic) number convinces Saamiya that God has chosen Veer for some special purpose beyond wasting away in his Lahore, Pakistan prison cell, and she becomes determined to exonerate him, and restore his name, his identity, and country.''

Why should we mention this? It's not important nor notablr in the movie plot. One more thing, is why should we write a synopsis starting with Saamiya Siddiqui? She was not the heroine. Instead of re-adding this useless paragraph, it is way more simple to write The story is told in flashback like many users decided in, the past. And please note that synopsis length is also limited. Regards, -- Shahid •  Talk 2 me  09:53, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

Yes it is
It is copyrighted! I saw the version and by the way I gave you other reasons why this not comes well. -- Shahid •  Talk 2 me  03:40, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

OMG now I get it! You want a surprising synopsis without giving the end of the story, but dear Benbrattlover, here it's an encyclopedia. We are not doing entertainment for the film, to surprise people. We give the whole story. The full information about the film. That's all, -- Shahid •  Talk 2 me  03:47, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

You are a TOTAL idiot!
You can't even speak or write proper English, and you think you know what is copyrighted and what isn't?? You are a complete idiot!

Seriously, take an English class or two, and learn how to write before you edit and criticize others.

How dare you?
I'm gonna take a serious case against you! How dare you calling me "idiot"? Please stop it. LOL, English, WOW forgot A put BY. Please don't teach me. If I had had the time to go through the page one more time, I would have recognized my mistakes. If you pretend to be such a good user, so correct my mistakes. What's the matter? We are here to help each other. I wrote the synopsis very briefly. I was nervous and had no time. So there's nothing wrong in doing one or two mistakes. I'm a human being, like you are and like every other editor is. I'm not a robot. The synopsis section was messed up, so I got confused a bit. I've created very much of film articles and written very much of movie plots. No-one has complained yet on my edits. I have no problems to admit my mistakes. In fact, I tried to be nice to you. I tried to explain my motives to revert your edits. There is a possibility I was wrong and the synopsis wasn't completely copied, but we are still not permitted to use such an unencyclopedical synopsis for the movie plot (ie rhetoric questions; mentioning the supporting role (Saamiya) before the leading one (Veer/Zaara) etc). Why are you insisting to remove the end of the story? It is an encyclopedia here. We have to give the full information for the film. Try to understand. Elements of surprise are not suitable for Wikipedia. The story line - it is the most important thing. Those who have yet to see it are not obligated to read it here. There's a site for it. On the other hand, people are usually interested in reading the full movie plot (to find out if the film is worthy of watching), so Wikipedia is suitable for them. Here we give information and it must be complete. I still haven't reverted your last edits. I have to think. Regards, Shahid  •  Talk 2 me  05:11, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

Can you provide some logic reasons for NOT removing the ending? If you do so, I'll be extremely grateful. -- Shahid •  Talk 2 me  08:55, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

Answer to Your Question
You want a logical reason to remove the ending of the movie?

How about consideration for others, for one? Not everyone comes here having seen the movie, and if every single detail of the movie is given away, what will be the point of their seeing it? Giving away the entire plot does NOT make it an encyclopedic version. Just look at any regular encyclopedia. They give the basic information, and leave the rest of the information to specific books on the actual subject.

The same thing should apply here. Instead of giving away the entire plot, it should be just a basic synopsis of the movie, WITHOUT ruining the ending, as well as the characters, actors/actresses, and links to the related websites, and leave the rest for the reader to find out if they decide to see the movie.

I mean look at the promos and trailers for movies. They do NOT give everything away. They just give a basic idea about the movie, so that people can decide whether its something they want to see or not. But if trailers gave away all the surprises, just how many people would actually watch it? I bet, very few, OR NONE!

In the same way, many people (myself included) come to Wikipedia to get information about a particular topic. I might want information about a movie so I can decide whether to see it. But if the entire movie is already told to me in a few paragraphs, why would I want to spend 2+ hours actually watching it

You really need to think about stuff like that before flexing your administrative muscles and constantly removing other people's carefully written edits.

(Benbrattlover 17:29, 6 July 2007 (UTC))

Look
Look I don't know. First of all, congratulations... Finally you discussed things in a good talking manner. It makes sense. I do understand your motives. The problem is that all of our films here on Wikipedia have full story lines, details + ending. That's why this encyclopedia exists. It's not an advertisement site. Our intent is not to surprise people and to attract them to go and watch it, is to give informaion to them. And BTW, the film is a 2004 film. It was released three years ago. Let's take films of 1990. People are not intending to watch 1990 films for the first time. Just like Veer-Zaara. The film is not in a promotional status. As I said, those who have yet to see it are not obligated to read it here. There are certain people who want to read the full script. In spite of it, there is a difference between reading it and watching it. And one more thing, people come to Wikipedia for information. If someone wants to know what the film is about, this is the right place for him. I have to consult someone else. I'll talk to you latter. Regards, -- Shahid •  Talk 2 me  18:14, 6 July 2007 (UTC)