User talk:Bencherlite/Archive 19

For you

 * +1, except for the weather part. Crisco, it's currently -30 before windchill in my part of the country, I may have to throw a long-distance snowball at you... Nikkimaria (talk) 01:01, 20 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Hence why I left Canada... although Windsor almost never got that bad. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 04:58, 20 February 2013 (UTC)


 * Four eagles in the featured article titles and four pictures of the day with eagle references! You are too clever by half! --IanOsgood (talk) 15:24, 20 February 2013 (UTC)


 * Now that that's over... essentially... let me just say I'm surprised it took 3 days for them to notice. If they hadn't noticed by today, that would have shocked me... especially with that huge Bald Eagle smiling at them. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:30, 20 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Perhaps. I'm keeping it scheduled 2 weeks in advance as well, so we should be able to avoid those fairly easily. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 00:25, 21 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks for putting IT UP ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:29, 25 February 2013 (UTC)

Possibly unfree File:Jevđević with Italians crop.jpg
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? (film)
Do you think I should remove it from the selection box, in case it's selected for April Fools'? — Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:37, 25 February 2013 (UTC)
 * I liked that edit summary... "let's be realistic". I'll remove it anyways, just in case you forget... or an eagle kidnaps you and another delegate has to schedule. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:47, 25 February 2013 (UTC)

Museum
Brilliant! I forget the name of the "holiday", but aren't there people who say women should give men gifts on that day? — Crisco 1492 (talk) 00:29, 26 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Ah, "Steak and Blowjob Day". I'd link to Unencyclopedia, but they've got pictures. — Crisco 1492 (talk)
 * No, not white day... i t appears the boys give girls things on that day. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 00:36, 26 February 2013 (UTC)0:34, 26 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Hehe... maybe. Seems to be fairly obscure (and only American). Mind you, people have used cross-cultural differences to play his own tricks before so they might think you're pulling a fast one. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 00:41, 26 February 2013 (UTC)

List of Presidents of Pakistan
Hi, any chance you could have a look at Featured list candidates/List of Presidents of Pakistan/archive1? Regards, Zia Khan 17:49, 26 February 2013 (UTC)

Please participate ...
... here. Jivesh 1205 (Talk) 04:07, 28 February 2013 (UTC)

Carmen Luzon
Blocked by you way back in the mists of time, this user has returned and is requesting to be released back into the wild. Their unblock appeal seems to hold water; if you're cool with me doing so, I'm happy to let them loose again with a bit of rope. Let me know. Yunshui 雲 &zwj; 水  11:17, 28 February 2013 (UTC)

IPM scheduling
Thanks for the update, and the info about Steak and Blowjob Day - I thought you were joking but apparently not! The things you learn on this site... I can feel a DYK coming on. :-) Anyway, I've made some tweaks to the blurb at Today's featured article/March 16, 2013, which is now exactly 1200 characters - your changes seemed pretty much fine to me. Prioryman (talk) 08:41, 1 March 2013 (UTC)

Beyonce
Thanks for your earlier help on this monster. Please give us your input on what you think of it now here.--Aichik (talk) 15:49, 13 March 2013 (UTC)

Crucifixion and Last Judgement diptych
Hi Bencherlite, I like this image File:Jan van Eyck - Diptych - WGA07587 crop of the crucified Jesus.jpg that you created. Thanks for taking the time to make the crop. I've not been around much and didn't see that conversation until late last night and was thinking about what to do about it. Truthkeeper (talk) 11:56, 22 March 2013 (UTC)


 * Hi, me again. I've noticed you've scheduled Big Two-Hearted River for March 27th! I'll be gone (traveling) and without internet for the next ten days or so, not returning until after the beginning of April. I suppose that it's not necessary to be around to tend, but thought I'd let you know, since I won't be around for the Crucifixion either. Truthkeeper (talk) 14:07, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

Precious again
  colleges and churches

Thank you for the spirit of education, expanding the coverage of English and Welch colleges and churches, their history and people, their impact, - repeating: you are an awesome Wikipedian (23 April 2010)!

--Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:41, 23 March 2012 (UTC) A year ago, you were the 69th recipient of my PumpkinSky Prize, repeated in br'erly style, - nice date coincidence with today's FA, my first, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:44, 23 March 2013 (UTC)

Triple Header
Hi Bencherlite,

I noticed that there are three TFAs slotted for a combined blurb tomorrow. How did that come about? Are combined TFA blurbs likely to become more common or is there a special reason for the one tomorrow? I'm mostly asking out of curiosity.

Neelix (talk) 16:17, 24 March 2013 (UTC)


 * Hi Bencherlite,


 * Thank you for the thorough explanation. I would oppose combining FAs into a single blurb in most cases, but I do not feel strongly against the current combined blurb considering the main contributor for all three articles was in agreement with it.


 * Neelix (talk) 16:57, 25 March 2013 (UTC)

?
Would it be possible to remove the recently featured blurb too, and the other links? Just have a plain question mark... — Crisco 1492 (talk) 10:10, 25 March 2013 (UTC)
 * It's all up to you, naturally (or Raul, but let's be realistic); I don't really mind having the bottom scrolls of text, although I think the effect would be more startling with them removed. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 10:27, 25 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Don't worry about being fair to Foraker. Or perhaps you can just run an extended list on April 2 and 3, so that all articles get three days as Recently Featured.--Wehwalt (talk) 10:28, 25 March 2013 (UTC)
 * (from my talk page) — Crisco 1492 (talk) 10:31, 25 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Speaking of realism, I'm reminded of the book Norstrilia in which the nominal head of state was the Queen, that is Elizabeth II, who had been missing for thousands of years but whose death was not confirmed. Needless to say, the governmental processes in no way depended on her actions.  Perhaps it's time to emulate that system. And I agree, no text, just the ?--Wehwalt (talk) 10:35, 25 March 2013 (UTC)
 * the perfect TFA for 1 April if there ever was one! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:30, 27 March 2013 (UTC)

Thanks
Very good solution. Ceoil (talk) 23:23, 27 March 2013 (UTC)

Portal:Sports FPO nomination review request
Hello. I am writing to you because you have indicated that you are willing to review Featured Portal nominations (and you have been active in the last 96 hours). I put Portal:Sports up for FPO consideration at the beginning of the month, and it is now the end of the month and I have received no feedback. Any comments you have would be appreciated. Thanks,  S ven M anguard   Wha?  05:47, 29 March 2013 (UTC)

Editathon at the Royal Opera House
I don't know if you are free or inclined, but on the off-chance, may I draw your attention to this forthcoming editathon at the Royal Opera House in June? We need a few experienced Wikipedians to help the ballet buffs get started. If you're not free, or not inclined (or even if you are) could you suggest any other experienced WP editor whom we might try to recruit? – Tim riley (talk) 22:03, 30 March 2013 (UTC)

Pipe Dream
If you are going to use it, I'd rather have it on the 7th, if it is convenient. I'm traveling on the 8th and will likely have limited internet for some time after that. Thanks.--Wehwalt (talk) 15:16, 30 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Not a problem, I'll be busy packing, finishing up stuff, you know.--Wehwalt (talk) 13:49, 2 April 2013 (UTC)

TFA suggestions
If you need further suggestions for TFAs that don't have a particular date requirement, I can prepare blurbs etc at short notice for any of the following:
 * Operas: The Bartered Bride; L'incoronazione di Poppea; Il ritorno d'Ulisse in patria
 * Composer: Percy Grainger
 * Other: Tichborne case (has some novelty value}; Kenneth Widmerpool

No offence taken whatever should you choose otherwise. Brianboulton (talk) 13:47, 2 April 2013 (UTC)

Carmen TFA 6 April
A discussion is taking place within the Opera Project about the development of an infobox that might be suitable for WP opera articles. See here and here for details. Unfortunately the discussion has been overtaken by a provocative suggestion that an experimental infobox be tried out on the Carmen article when it appears on the main page on Saturday. This is bound to cause trouble and dissent; the main page is not supposed to be a forum for agenda-pushing. Already, infobox zealots with no interest in opera or the project are putting their oars in. In the interests of tranquility I am requesting that you pull Carmen for the time being, at least until the Opera Project discussion has reached some level of agreement. I know this is short notice, but Kenneth Widmerpool is ready to go as a replacement. Or Le Mesurier. But I don't think any opera article should be TFA at the moment. I hope you get this in time. Brianboulton (talk) 17:58, 4 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Speaking as someone previously (and wrongly) described as an "infobox zealot with no interest in opera or the project"; this is an hysterical over-reaction. There is no reason to suppose that the talk-page discussion will spill over on to the article; or that those advocating the infobox will cease to be calm and courteous, as at present. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 18:47, 4 April 2013 (UTC)
 * I raised the question (of inserting an infobox BEFORE it appears) as interesting, but - as said there - will not pursue it against the wish of the main editor and the project, fear not. I will not touch the article, only for fighting vandalism, my regular job around the TFA every day, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:07, 4 April 2013 (UTC)
 * OK. Will Mabbett make the same undertaking? (Note: my request is neither hysterical nor an over-reaction. See Georg Solti) Brianboulton (talk) 20:20, 4 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Rest please, I remember Solti, - trust that some learned. See also, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:00, 4 April 2013 (UTC)


 * Replied at Brian's talkpage. BencherliteTalk 21:23, 5 April 2013 (UTC)

TFAR workload
With Dabomb et al gone, how is the workload for you at TFAR? Pumpkin Sky  talk  14:19, 5 April 2013 (UTC)
 * As only two TFAs have been scheduled by anyone else since I was appointed, if I remember correctly (14th and 15th February), the workload hasn't changed... April should be better for editing for me. BencherliteTalk 21:23, 5 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Methinks the community feels no one else is allowed to sked them. Are you saying you could use help with that? Pumpkin Sky   talk  21:51, 5 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Well, yes, under the current structure, only four people are allowed to schedule TFAs but there is no limit on the number of people who can nominate articles for scheduling at TFAR. You may have noticed that I have just increased the non-specific date slots to four, to give extra opportunities for nominations.  It would be good (and would help me) if people used them - and not just for the same ol' types of articles, or in the same ol' way. When was the last time someone came to TFAR with a video game nomination, or a hurricane, for instance? Both are categories where we have lots of articles waiting to be run. When was the last time someone came to TFAR and said "I've just spent half an hour polishing up this slightly older FA that someone else wrote, dealing with the deadlinks and maintenance tags, and now it's ready for TFA"? There's a "to do" list here for people looking for FAs in need of a bit of TLC.  I'm happy to do it myself but the more people who do it the better. And of course if people have any other ideas of how they can help or how the process can be improved, the TFAR talk-page is always open!  Best wishes, BencherliteTalk 07:35, 6 April 2013 (UTC)
 * By the way, did anything ever happen with the conversation with Raul a month ago? --Rschen7754 07:39, 6 April 2013 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure. I can't remember off-hand the date of the last email I saw; there may have been others since that I missed or that didn't include me. BencherliteTalk 08:46, 6 April 2013 (UTC)
 * I would nominate a hurricane or mushroom every now and then, but the rule of one nomination at a time results in replacing one with a date by another with a date as soon as the former is scheduled. I suggest you try to temporarily lift that restriction, - you can always reinstate it if things get out of hand. - Thank you for what you are doing, all the work four or so people are supposed to share! Carmen would say "prends garde à toi!" --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:11, 6 April 2013 (UTC)
 * User participation is a tough nut wiki continually drives people away and that's another story, but FA land needs an overhaul starting at the top and that can be done more easily. Raul has not made an edit since Feb when he said he'd post "in a few days" and of course he never did. Directing via osmosis and email doesn't cut it--if that's even happening. If 4 are allowed to be what we call delegates at TFAR and you're the only active one, then the others need replaced. Pumpkin Sky   talk  11:34, 6 April 2013 (UTC)

Highway TFA
Just a head's up, but this coming May 13 would be the centennial of the creation of the Michigan State Trunkline Highway System. Real life got in the way a bit this winter here, but the article should be coming out of WP:HWY/ACR and headed to FAC within the next few days. I'm going to make an impassioned plea in the nomination statement to hopefully attract timely review of the article with the hopes that it can be promoted in time to be considered as a TFA for the anniversary.  Imzadi 1979  →   00:49, 8 April 2013 (UTC)
 * thanks, noted. BencherliteTalk 01:02, 8 April 2013 (UTC)

User:Dweller/Old Fashioned Wikipedian Values
Might interest some talk-page stalkers... BencherliteTalk 08:04, 9 April 2013 (UTC)

WikiProject Freedom of speech request for World Press Freedom Day
Please see Wikipedia_talk:Today%27s_featured_article/requests.

I wasn't quite sure precisely the best way to request it, so I posted a request there. I hope that's alright with you.

WP:WikiProject Freedom of speech would really appreciate freedom of speech related TFAs for 2 May 2013 and/or 4 May 2013, if possible.

Thanks very much for your consideration, &mdash; Cirt (talk) 04:28, 10 April 2013 (UTC)

Ahhh ...
Thank you for the Mussolini link. — Ched : ?  07:27, 11 April 2013 (UTC)

Wikipedians not wikipedian
Who recreated it, may I ask? What was the content? --SmokeyJoe (talk) 09:06, 18 April 2013 (UTC)

Raising my hat
I don't think those of us who churn out articles always give enough thought or thanks to Wikicolleagues who tidy up after we have barged through. Your improved links in my new article on Blest Pair of Sirens are cases in point. Well, I wish to say that such scrupulous improvements are invaluable, and I for one am most grateful for them. No need to respond to this. – Tim riley (talk) 21:33, 28 April 2013 (UTC)

Legal Action
Wikipedia has a policy. WP:NLT and I agree with it completely. However, they do add the following:

''If you must take legal action, we cannot prevent you from doing so. However, it is required that you do not edit Wikipedia until the legal matter has been resolved to ensure that all legal processes happen via proper legal channels. You should instead contact the person or people involved directly, by email or through any other contact methods the user provides.''

That makes a lot of sense. So, please provide me with some contact so that I can contact you directly in order to iron this out. For me, you can contact me at john@johnclarkprose.com. I'll be glad to hear from you, SchroCat. Also Cassianto, MisterShiney, Dr. Blowfeld, Bencherlite and Delicious carbunkle. The rules sensibly provide for that course, so I know you will be happy to abide by it, and I will be happy to hear from one and all of you. JohnClarknew (talk) 23:38, 29 April 2013 (UTC)


 * Blocked indef by someone else for making legal threats. BencherliteTalk 09:40, 30 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Don't forget - Don't overlook legal threats, he clearly feels aggrieved. I've offered my services through OTRS, it's unlikely to be finished. Worm TT( talk ) 09:44, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

Talkback
TheOriginalSoni (talk) 21:03, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

Featured Portal Promotion instructions
Please see User_talk:OhanaUnited and my user talk page threads.

Perhaps you can articulate this better than I? That is, the need to simplify the closing process and cut out unnecessary steps, making them optional instead of mandatory, etc.?

Or maybe we should move the whole discussion to a more central location?

What do you think? &mdash; Cirt (talk) 19:45, 1 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Ah, I see it now, Portal:Contents/Portals is linked from top right of the Main Page, that's why it gets so much traffic incoming. Hrm, maybe we could keep updating that somehow, and yet trim something else, to make the portal promotion process easier? I'm not sure, but you usually have a good handle on ideas about this? &mdash; Cirt (talk) 21:02, 1 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Okay, sounds good, I think I'll move the discussion to the talk page of WP:FPORTC. &mdash; Cirt (talk) 21:27, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

Discussion now at Wikipedia_talk:Featured_portal_candidates. &mdash; Cirt (talk) 21:31, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

Today's featured article
FYI: Wikipedia talk:Today's featured article/requests. Regards, Nick-D (talk) 08:50, 8 May 2013 (UTC)

Would it be possible to shift Prince George? I am not available on May 18 (or 16, 17 or 19), and prefer to be on hand in case of queries. DrKiernan (talk) 07:21, 13 May 2013 (UTC)

Deleted article Sanskardham Gurukul in Category space
Please see this request --CiaPan (talk) 09:26, 16 May 2013 (UTC)

Wagner revision
Thanks for this - don't know myself how the 'noinclude. stuff got in there.....--Smerus (talk) 08:51, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

Home today
I will be home later today, assuming I survive a ten-hour flight, and in the next few days, I will do you a chart of proposed anniversary dates on the coin articles. Many of them are coming up to multiple of 25 year anniversaries over the next few years. Part of that is due to the Act of September 26, 1890 which said the Treasury could change designs without congressional permission after 25 years, but even before then, the Mint seemed to get inventive about every 25 years. Of course I'll run them though TFA/R and all that.--Wehwalt (talk) 05:23, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

Why pretend
Why is wiki still pretending Raul is directing anything? Pumpkin Sky  talk  02:36, 25 May 2013 (UTC)

Sockpuppets at The Freewheelin' Bob Dylan
I've requested a sockpuppet investigation of the editors inserting the original research into the Featured Article. The sockpuppets are being used to game the three-revert rule, but they are obvious sockpuppets. Robert McClenon (talk) 22:12, 27 May 2013 (UTC)

TFA scheduling
May we know what your plans are? Looking ahead for just two days seems too short notice. Don't make me ignore some rules again ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:40, 1 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Thank you! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:10, 2 June 2013 (UTC)

Freida Pinto
Hi Bencherlite, I'd like to take this article to FAC. Before proceeding with the nomination, the article needs a thorough copy-edit (I'm submitting this at the GOCE). Your help would be much appreciated! &mdash; Vensatry (Ping me)  11:00, 3 June 2013 (UTC)

Please do what you can to keep History of Gibraltar TFAR manageable
Bencherlite, as I'm sure you'll have seen, some editors are starting to post walls of text on TFAR that are going seriously off topic and bogging the discussion down. I've collapsed one such side-track. Could you and the other TFAR delegates please keep a close eye on the discussion and do what you can to keep it manageable? There may also be an issue with sockpuppetry and disruption; Jayen466 has put out a call to arms to his pals on Wikipediocracy, so I wouldn't be surprised to see some trouble coming from that quarter. Prioryman (talk) 19:06, 6 June 2013 (UTC)

Accidental click
Sorry I was in the middle of researching a new TFA nomination possibility and made an accidental rollback click. (accidental click followed by undo self followed by New TFA nomination)

My apologies, &mdash; Cirt (talk) 20:20, 6 June 2013 (UTC)

New TFA nomination
Cheers, &mdash; Cirt (talk) 20:31, 6 June 2013 (UTC)
 * 1) I've added a new TFA nomination see diff.
 * 2) Can someone help me with the "points" analysis?
 * 3) There's like over 9,000 rules to follow when adding new TFA nominations, I want to get more active not just in the commenting but also in the nomination process, but there's like tons of forms you have to fill out in triplicate first -- it gets kind of confusing!

WP Wales in the Signpost
The WikiProject Report would like to focus on WikiProject Wales for a Signpost article. This is an excellent opportunity to draw attention to your efforts and attract new members to the project. Would you be willing to participate in an interview? If so, here are the questions for the interview. Just add your response below each question and feel free to skip any questions that you don't feel comfortable answering. Multiple editors will have an opportunity to respond to the interview questions, so be sure to sign your answers. If you know anyone else who would like to participate in the interview, please share this with them. Have a great day. –Mabeenot (talk) 15:35, 8 June 2013 (UTC)

QPQ
Hi, could you provide a QPQ for your nomination? Thanks.-- Gilderien Chat&#124;List of good deeds 16:44, 8 June 2013 (UTC)

Myles Landick DYK
I've responded to your concerns on the Myles Landick DYK.  The C of E God Save the Queen!  ( talk ) 07:24, 7 June 2013 (UTC)
 * and again.  The C of E God Save the Queen!  ( talk ) 14:52, 10 June 2013 (UTC)

WikiProject Good Articles Recruitment Centre
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St Peter's Church, Llanbedrgoch
I really don't understand why so many GA reviews drag on and on, or become so contentious as another I closed a couple of days ago. With a little goodwill and a bit of give and take they can be done in dusted in a few days unless the article is a basket case, in which case the review ought to be speedily closed as "not listed". Maybe I'm just out of step with how things are done now. Eric  Corbett  23:49, 10 June 2013 (UTC)

No problems with removal
No worries about the WP:TFAR removal of 1987 (What the Fuck Is Going On?). It was a worthwhile discussion while it lasted, and perhaps at some point in the future another similar discussion can be revisited. :)

I hope you're doing well, &mdash; Cirt (talk) 07:36, 11 June 2013 (UTC)

Midshipman TFA
I moved "pictured" to the Napoleonic era sentence since that was the time period of this uniform pictured. I left the rest as is to keep it at the character count that would format correctly - I thought 14xx characters was 'close to 1200', thanks for the clarification! Kirk (talk) 14:00, 11 June 2013 (UTC)

Bacon appears to be an underrepresented main page topic...

 * Everything Tastes Better with Bacon

How about 31 August 2013 = International Bacon Day???

Helpful link at: Today's featured article/August 31, 2013. :)

That's be really neat. &mdash; Cirt (talk) 17:38, 11 June 2013 (UTC)
 * I like bacon. The Rambling Man (talk) 17:39, 11 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Me too! I've been trying turkey bacon lately but you have to overcook it a bit to get a nice charred taste... &mdash; Cirt (talk) 17:51, 11 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Having spent some time in Saudi, I couldn't really get my head around "fakin' bacon", or "beef bacon", you need the real deal. The Rambling Man (talk) 17:54, 11 June 2013 (UTC)
 * No question. The fake stuff isn't worth ingesting.  And if it ain't crisp, it ain't worth it either.--Wehwalt (talk) 00:31, 12 June 2013 (UTC)

Update: I've put it up for 31 August for Today's featured article/requests/pending, but I'm not sure if I'll be available at that time to nominate it myself, might be best to just go ahead and schedule it for then on your own. &mdash; Cirt (talk) 17:55, 11 June 2013 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

 * My pleasure, you deserve it, I know it's not always easy mopping. &mdash; Cirt (talk) 00:20, 12 June 2013 (UTC)

DYK for St Peter's Church, Llanbedrgoch
Allen3 talk 11:08, 12 June 2013 (UTC)

Striking
If somebody asks me to strike something, I am allowed to do so. Your comment here seems to imply something nefarious. I'm sure you don't mean it that way, but that's the delivery. In the future you might just let things like that slide. Jehochman Talk 12:02, 12 June 2013 (UTC)

Alec Douglas-Home for TFA on 2nd July?
Thanks for your note on my talk page. I'd be very happy to see Douglas-Home featured on 2 July. I'm not very observant when it comes to anniversaries, and am grateful that you noticed the relevant date even if I didn't. Best wishes. Tim riley (talk) 11:56, 15 June 2013 (UTC)
 * For a day later, with similar thanks, I started the blurb, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:37, 15 June 2013 (UTC)

MfD nomination of Talk:Newborough, Anglesey/Comments
Talk:Newborough, Anglesey/Comments, a page you substantially contributed to, has been nominated for deletion. Your opinions on the matter are welcome; please participate in the discussion by adding your comments at Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Talk:Newborough, Anglesey/Comments and please be sure to sign your comments with four tildes ( ~ ). You are free to edit the content of Talk:Newborough, Anglesey/Comments during the discussion but should not remove the miscellany for deletion template from the top of the page; such a removal will not end the deletion discussion. Thank you. Kumioko (talk) 20:17, 16 June 2013 (UTC)

Kafka
Gerda asked me to nom this for Jul 3. She seems to think I'm the main FA contributor on it. So I nom'd it. Pumpkin Sky  talk  23:13, 16 June 2013 (UTC)

Message
Message to you; no response necessary:

DYK for St Enghenedl's Church, Llanynghenedl
Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 16:04, 19 June 2013 (UTC)

DYK for St Mihangel's Church, Llanfihangel yn Nhowyn
Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 16:04, 19 June 2013 (UTC)

The Company of Heaven
Thank you! - Tell Nikkimaria, I didn't have much time for the article yet and won't in the near future, - she beat me to it, I thought it would be a good birthday present, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:55, 19 June 2013 (UTC)

Pipe Dream (musical)
I've uploaded additional images, so you might want to reconsider your choice of TFA image (or not, as you prefer). I've also substituted a free image from the fair use lead one. Feel free to browse though the source (use the faint arrows above the image to do so, the more prominent arrow will take you to a picture of Traubel which as far as I know is NOT PD. The problem with the program which is the source is that unless you've seen Pipe Dream, and few people have (I have not), some of the images are hard to place in the show, but that wouldn't matter for purposes of TFA image.  If you want one of them, I have better versions; I was at the NY Public library in January and photographed some of these items, including this program.--Wehwalt (talk) 12:11, 20 June 2013 (UTC)

Thanks
For once I want to thank you for scheduling an FA I've worked on for the main page. I know it'll mean a lot to Dennis, and it'll be part of his learning curve to see all the shenanigans on TFA day. :-) Eric   Corbett  19:36, 20 June 2013 (UTC)
 * - I thought it would be good to get his first FA up as TFA as quickly as possible, as some sort of dubious "reward" for the experience. I do feel a bit like the evil teacher at prizegiving, though: "Well done on your marvellous achievements, Brown and Corbett.  Now here's six of the best to encourage you to do it again..." BencherliteTalk 19:54, 20 June 2013 (UTC)
 * I can't speak for Dennis, but I'm very hard to discourage from doing whatever it is I decide to do. Unless you've got heavier calibre weaponry than I do of course. Eric   Corbett  20:05, 20 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Wow, if I knew getting an article on the front page was this easy, I would have done it years ago ;-) In all seriousness, I'm quite pleased by the turn of events.  Can't wait to get started on some other car/culture articles and try to work them up to FA quality as well.  I do think this is the perfect article for my first FA/TFA, and I'm already richer for the experience.  Thanks to both of you.  Dennis Brown &#124; 2¢ &#124; © &#124;  WER  20:28, 20 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Lol. Wait and see if you still feel that way on 13 July, after you've made the acquaintance of Amanda, Andy, Kevin, Mattisse, the template vandals, the nationalist nutcases who will be TAKING YOU TO A COURT OF LAW FOR TREASON for failing to mention that the spark-plugs were based on a design from their homeland, the EDL cranks who will take mortal offence at using the term "British" when you should have said "English" and the UKIP cranks who will take mortal offence at using the term "English" when you should have said "British", and everyone else who helps make TFA the single most toxic place on Wikipedia with the possible exception of Arbcom. Just be glad there's no mention of Ireland on the thing. – iridescent  21:09, 20 June 2013 (UTC)
 * TFA is something everyone ought to experience, to see for themselves the moral vacuum at the heart of "anyone can edit". Eric   Corbett  21:30, 20 June 2013 (UTC)
 * ...but you also get to see the gnome-like improvements made by others, the well-programmed anti-vandal bots doing their thing (and, invisibly, the edit filter protections devised by very clever people) and the recent changes patrollers on the look for TFA-related stupidity. Maybe I've just been lucky with my three TFAs (all on very dull subjects, of course). I also get the impression that TFA stupidity is not as bad as it was. There is something to be said, of course, for being away from your computer for most if not all of TFA day, and picking up the pieces when the dust has settled, rather than clicking "refresh" on your watchlist every 30 seconds.
 * @Eric: "I'm very hard to discourage from doing whatever it is I decide to do." You don't say... As for my heavy calibre weaponry, Mrs Dr Bencherlite has no complaints :-)
 * @Dennis: my pleasure. BencherliteTalk 21:36, 20 June 2013 (UTC)


 * I think the TFA stupidity has lessened, but I remember once being blocked for a 3RR violation on TFA day. Any excuse for a block though I suppose. The truth is that defending an article is virtually impossible. Eric   Corbett  22:34, 20 June 2013 (UTC)
 * @Iridescent, so pretty much like a normal day at ANI, then? ;-) I'm supposed to be good at dealing with those kinds of problems, so I guess we will just see. (added) If that is the case, then it is actually important that I experience it first hand. Dennis Brown &#124; 2¢ &#124; © &#124;  WER  00:23, 21 June 2013 (UTC)
 * It is. Just a shame that more administrators don't share your enthusiasm for feeling the pain. Eric   Corbett  00:30, 21 June 2013 (UTC)


 * (jumping in) My experience (with - Holy Mother of the Gods - 29 (!!!!) TFAs) is that you cannot predict which ones will go smoothly and which will be insanity. It's not the mindless vandalism that drives me nuts, it's the cranks out to Right Great Wrongs of all sorts that will send you into orbit. For a while, I was plagued with a guy that came along and insisted that a pallium in the middle ages was a symbol of an archbishop's subordination to Rome ... which it really wasn't at the time. Then of course we have the encouraging words about Talk:Hygeberht on its main page day. Oh, and don't forget the anal compulsive folks who come along and alphabetize your categories. Or who insist that the spacing on your citations should be 35ems rather than 40ems... it'll be fun Dennis! Ealdgyth - Talk 00:35, 21 June 2013 (UTC)


 * Let's be fair, the admin-like work of putting categories into alphabetical order is far more important than the drudge of writing articles. Eric   Corbett  01:13, 21 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Or alphabetizing the WikiProject tags on the talk page! --Rschen7754 01:28, 21 June 2013 (UTC)
 * I try to take a long view, even if it means putting up with stuff I don't like for a few days. Everyone wants to come in at the 11th hour, reflected glory, Little Red Hen or whatever. I'm certainly not going to get in an editor war, nor do I have to compromise the integrity of the article when I have the community to depend on.  I've been accused of being incredibly naive many times, and only occasionally is that proven true.  Dennis Brown &#124; 2¢ &#124; © &#124;  WER  02:02, 21 June 2013 (UTC)