User talk:Bender235/2008 archive

Terrelle Pryor
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June Jones
Despite your edits to the June Jones article, he is still the current head coach at the University of Hawaii. Perhaps the discussion page on the article could be used until an official announcement has been made. —C A Morris (talk) 06:28, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

NCAA Division I football season or College football season
In answer to your question, the 1976 article is mainly about the progress of the 1976 season in Division I, though there's also a section about the results of the Division II and III playoffs and the NAIA playoffs, with room for anyone to add on. Thus, it really is about that particular year in college football. Starting with 1978, there are articles about Division I-A and Division I-AA seasons, and it's conceivable (but not likely) that someone will do a spinoff article about the Division II season of 31 years ago. Until then, "19__ college football season" is a good way to incorporate all the information. Mandsford (talk) 22:35, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

Speedy deletion of Terrelle Pryor
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Bob Stoops
Please refrain from reverting changes concerning U.S. College Football coaches until you have fully researched the changes. Bob Stoops has become known as Blown OUt Bob amongst students of rival schools, specifically the University of Texas and Oklahoma State University. This has been verified by multiple media sources. Unfavorable press is legitimate as an entry in this style of article. It is very similar to the section on Mack Brown being known as "Coach February" Thank you for your diligence however. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rgwilliams (talk • contribs)

Timbaland
Please refrain from making unconstructive edits to Wikipedia. Your edits appear to constitute vandalism and have been reverted. If you would like to experiment, please use the sandbox. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.9.8.150 (talk • contribs)


 * Very funny. --Bender235 (talk) 14:36, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

Stop it, you two. Keep discussion to the talk page and remain civil or you'll both end up blocked. Rock star ( T/C ) 21:26, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

Incorrect XHTML Tag
Thanks I will fix that.--Kumioko (talk) 12:31, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

Whitney Lewis
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An opinion please
Hi. I notice you are a vastly experienced editor here at Wikipedia, and I was wondering if you could take a quick look at User:Refsworldlee/Oliver Golding, and let me know whether it would pass being introduced into mainspace, on grounds of notability (the subject may have given up acting, at least for now, and does not yet play tennis to the very highest standard, being a minor) or any other criteria you think may fit. This would be appreciated. Thanks. Ref (chew) (do) 13:50, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I pretty sure this article is ready to being introduced into mainspace. ––Bender235 (talk) 19:49, 28 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks very much for that. Ref (chew) (do) 21:33, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

Thank you
Hello Bender, I was thinking today about creating Darrell Scott but I see that you beat me to it. It is a very nice article. I appreciate your contributions to Wikipedia, especially those that touch on UT football, of course! I want to thank you for your hard work by presenting you with this barnstar:

Also, I noticed that you made a small improvement to 2005 Texas Longhorn football team recently. I thank you for that also. Even though it is one of our Featured Articles it is nice to see that some improvements are still being made. Since you have great language skills in German, I wonder if you would be interested in translating onto the German Wikipedia? I think it would be great to have an article there. Naturally, it would not necessarily need to be as detailed, but if we could get the article to be FA quality on two different Wikipedias that would be amazing. Johntex\talk 04:38, 1 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Yeah, I thought about that, too, but besides it's a whole lot of work, it's also difficult to do. A couple of words and phrases can't be translated into German, such as "he rushed for 4,000 yards" because there is no word for "rush" in German. It's the same "he recovered a fumble" and a couple of others. I already tried to translate the Vince Young article into German, but I gave up. ––Bender235 (talk) 12:13, 1 February 2008 (UTC)


 * I just looked at the German Vince Young. I don't read any German but I think it is good to have even a basic article like that.  Short articles are valuable too!  Thanks again for your work. Johntex\talk 19:49, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

Rugby edits
While your edits for UK based rugby players are obviously well-intentioned the weight should be in stones and pounds first rather than kilograms. Londo 06  14:23, 2 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Why? The official websites of their clubs also have kilograms first, see for example. ––Bender235 (talk) 14:31, 2 February 2008 (UTC)


 * The convention is that for the country the most commonly used term would be used. ie if a Queensland Reds player was detailed on their website in m, he would still be detailed in cm as that's what it would be on the Wallabies page. The same goes if a Scot moves to a French side, it would be the country that is key. Londo  06  14:36, 2 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Okay. I didn't know that. I'll keep that in mind. --Bender235 (talk) 14:40, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

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Image:Singlewingformation vs5.gif‎
Never having worked with vector graphics (SVG), my new uploaded images do to seem to work. You asked me to change to another format. Apparently, none of my graphics programs will open .svg. —Preceding [Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned] comment added by Bill Spencer5 (talk Bill Spencer talk) 13:51, 16 February 2008 (UTC)• contribs) 13:47, 16 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Actually I didn't ask you in particular. The  template just labels graphics in general, that could be replaced with SVG versions. --Bender235 (talk) 13:19, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Not a problem. I will try to find appropriate imaging software. Bill Spencer (talk) 15:08, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

Walkersville High School
I see that you rated Walkersville High School as low importance and categorized it as an article with no info box. Does the info box that it contains not qualify as an info box or were you mistaken? And out of curiosity, what makes a high school low importance according to some editors and medium to others? I used the same style and template with every high school page that I have created, yet they are never consistantly rated. Just curious. I would appreciate your feedback. Wallstreethotrod (talk) 20:53, 28 February 2008 (UTC)


 * I'm sorry. I was in kind of a hurry when I added the Template:WPSchools and thus forgot to add the  parameter. The infobox the article currently has is alright.
 * The importance rating is subjective. I don't really know where to separate between medium- and low-importance schools. In my mind the rating depends on how "well-known" a school is. Schools like Mater Dei (CA), Oak Hill (VA), Cardinal Mooney (OH), Highland Park (TX) are qualified for "mid" or even "high" importance because of their well-known athletic programs, for example. I wasn't really sure whether Walkersville has any well-known program, so I gave it a "low" importance rating. But you are free to change it. --Bender235 (talk) 23:44, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

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Pryor
When will this kid commit already, so we can have an end to this stupid vandalism?  Grsz  ' 11 ' 14:42, 5 March 2008 (UTC)


 * He should've committed on Signing Day. --Bender235 (talk) 15:12, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
 * "I hate attention." What a joke!  Grsz  ' 11 ' 16:11, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

Ha, what a fool...started a fight after a game; could be suspended; i really hope so. 

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 * I'm not the copyright holder of that image, so I don't know exactly what to do. --Bender235 (talk) 17:35, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

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Amobi Okoye
I noticed the recent edit you made to Amobi Okoye, but could not find anything in the NY Times article you referenced denying that he had been offered a Harvard scholarship. The original reference (9th paragraph) is at odds with your edit summary. Have I missed something? Please clarify when you get a chance. Thanks! — Travis talk  01:54, 12 March 2008 (UTC)


 * I actually doubt that Houston Chronicle article, because there is no other newspaper verifying Okoye's Harvard offer. Not a single one. At least I couldn't find one. I only found Okoye's statements that his father wanted him to go to Harvard and that he was admitted. But no one mentions an academic scholarship besides the Houston Chronicle. --Bender235 (talk) 02:26, 12 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Compromise, see the article. --Bender235 (talk) 10:15, 12 March 2008 (UTC)


 * If you really can’t find anything else to back up the Chronicle story, feel free to change the article back to your earlier wording. (It certainly wouldn’t be the first time the Chronicle got something wrong.) I also haven’t seen any other reference to a scholarship from Harvard. — Travis talk  13:57, 12 March 2008 (UTC)


 * And, of course, all of the Alabama newspapers want me to pay $2.95 per article :/ — Travis talk  14:11, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

Huh?
Can I ask why you did this without an edit summary and reason? I'm a rather involved editor in this project, and I usually consider it rude for a real editor like yourself (as opposed to a troll) to not at least inform an experienced editor like myself why my edit was summarily reverted? Doesn't happen to me except usually by nutjobs, and you don't appear to be one!!!! Thanks. Orange Marlin Talk• Contributions 03:26, 12 March 2008 (UTC)


 * I was involved in that article, too. I actually made that example list. If you look at that list, you might recognize that there are always links to the volcanoes despite there are specific articles on the eruptions. That's why I reverted it. --Bender235 (talk) 10:14, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

Ellipsis
The rules at Did you know specify: "* Entries should start with an ellipsis of three full stops (not the ellipsis character &#x2026;), and end with a question mark." So if you want to replace the dot dot dot with an ellipsis character at the Template talk:Did you know instructions, then you should remove the rule to allow either form of an ellipsis. If not, we could agree to revert your edit.

As it is, I edit ellipsis characters in hooks to change them to dot dot dot, to conform to the rule. If the suggested example tells newbies to do it "wrong", that is, wrong from the rule's point of view, then that "error" may occur more often. I don't know of a good reason for the rule, as either form of the ellipsis looks the same to me, except on the edit page. But maybe it looks different on someone else's system, so I have been making them consistently dot dot dot, even before someone else added the dot dot dot rule.

I hope you didn't intend for everyone to have to use the ellipsis character for all hooks. Newbies can add three dots by imitating existing hooks, but an ellipsis character requires them to see &#x2026 in edit mode, and grasp what it means. One of us would have a full-time job changing dot dot dots to an ellipsis character. Art LaPella (talk) 21:41, 12 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Now I'm changing it back. Art LaPella (talk) 06:12, 14 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Okay. --Bender235 (talk) 10:43, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

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Fair use rationale for Si cover 1963 10 21.jpg
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 * I'm sorry. I thought it was okay to upload magazine covers for encyclopedic purposes. --Bender235 (talk) 01:41, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

Wealthy historical figures
I noticed you edited the main page of the annual lists of Wealthy historical figures and placed two members from the Fugger family. I appreciate your contribution to the list, however, the list remains as it is until the next one(which is set to come out on March 2009). For that reason, I have to remove the members from the list. However, you can send in more infomation as to who these people are and where their wealth came from the citie the sources and then they could be put on the next 2009 list. Thanks. Jughead.z(1) (talk) 18:58, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

Geology of Mars
Hi, Bender. I saw your edits to Geology of Mars, but I was puzzled what they were intended to achieve. Collapsing templates like that just makes the source harder to maintain and it wastes your time. I've left your changes in place, but please reconsider whether you really want them. Also, as I'm regularly reminded, edit summaries are your friend. Cheers,LeadSongDog (talk) 21:29, 28 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Well, actually I didn't intent to collapse the template data. I just wanted to update it. So I copied the template from its documentary page, where it happens to be collapsed. --Bender235 (talk) 21:47, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

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LeBron James
Please refrain from repeatedly undoing other people's edits. If you continue, you may be blocked from editing Wikipedia. The three-revert rule (3RR) prohibits making more than three reversions in a content dispute within a 24-hour period. Additionally, users who perform a large number of reversions in content disputes may be blocked for edit warring, even if they do not technically violate the three-revert rule. Rather than reverting, please discuss disputed changes on the talk page. The revision you want is not going to be implemented by edit warring. Thank you. Zodiiak (talk) 17:21, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

Please do not undo other people's edits repeatedly, or you may be blocked from editing Wikipedia. The three-revert rule prohibits making more than three reversions in a content dispute within a 24-hour period. Additionally, users who perform a large number of reversions in content disputes may be blocked for edit warring, even if they do not technically violate the 3RR. Thank you. Zodiiak (talk) 17:21, 10 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Ladies, gentlemen, and other Wikipedians of good cheer: Might I suggest some informal mediation or a third opinion here? -- JeffBillman (talk) 17:33, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

3RR
You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war. Note that the three-revert rule prohibits making more than three reversions on a single page within a 24 hour period. Additionally, users who perform a large number of reversions in content disputes may be blocked for edit warring, even if they do not technically violate the three-revert rule. If you continue, you may be blocked from editing. Please do not repeatedly revert edits, but use the talk page to work towards wording and content that gains a consensus among editors. If necessary, pursue dispute resolution. Tiptoety talk 17:42, 10 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Well, I'm not the one who reverted three times. That was User:Zodiiak. --Bender235 (talk) 17:45, 10 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Please understand that the three revert rule clearly states that editors may make three reverts and can only be blocked on their fourth revert. I am simply leaving you a message to infrom you that edit warring can lead to a block of both parties involved. Cheers, Tiptoety  talk 17:46, 10 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Actually, thats a mis-statement of the rules. You almost undoubtedly *will* be blocked for 4R in 24h. But there is no entitlement to 3R; you can be blocked for edit warring for less. Meantime, please also note the convention of marking your reverts with "rv" or somesuch; not doing so can look underhand William M. Connolley (talk) 22:13, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

Mediation
Hi Bender! I've noticed you were listed in a mediation cabal case for LeBron James. I've adopted the case and come up with a few questions that I'd like to hear your answers to. If you could reply to them whenever you can, I'd very much appreciate it! Thank you! Kntrabssi (talk) 22:16, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Hi Bender! Firstly, I apologize for being gone for so long.  I didn't receive a notification on my talk page that you guys had responded so I sort of drifted off I guess!  Anyway, I've offered a compromise at the page.  Take a look!  Kntrabssi (talk) 09:39, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

Josh Shipp doesn't come last alphabetically
Try actually reading the edit before undo-ing it. This list is supposed to be someone alphabetical. (That means its in the order of the alphabet) Josh Shipp does not come after Russell Westbrook. At least not in our alphabet. I'm moving Josh Shipp back to his rightful place in the alphabetized order. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 214.4.159.21 (talk) 14:01, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

Prairie View A&M University Coaches Nav template
I've done a lot of work lately on the Prairie View A&M coaches, and then noticed that you have a Template:PVAMUPanthersCoach already in place. Sorry I missed it! I re-directed Billy Nicks to a page that several of us already developed, but I'd like to delete the template you made because there's another that's more complete. Sorry I didn't realize you had work in progress, I would have built on that.

WOuld you mind going to that template and proposing it for speedy delete? Also, please check over our work and see if anything we missed needs merged/corrected/etc.--Paul McDonald (talk) 13:23, 29 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Well, since my template is obsolete, go ahead and propose a speedy delete. I am fine with that. --Bender235 (talk) 13:26, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

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redundancy can be useful. add doi, don't delete url
Please do not delete URLs when you add DOIs. The redundancy is useful in this case. You will note that both fields exist in the template. One does not make the other pointless. Please do not force others to access information in a way that you dictate. Choice is good. Cheers. WAS 4.250 (talk) 18:10, 2 June 2008 (UTC)


 * See Template talk:Cite journal —Bender235 (talk) 18:36, 2 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Where someone said "It's intuitively clear what clicking on a hypertext title means. Most readers will not know what a DOI is (I work for a high tech company, and this is my experience anyway. Random readers are probably even less likely to know.) Furthermore, the doi "looks" random, and users are taught to be wary about clicking on random looking links (these are often phishing or spam tracking links)." I agree with that. Please do not delete URLs. I'm not asking you to go out of your way and add them. I'm not asking you to not add DOIs. Just please please do not delete URLs just because you are adding a DOI. Thank you. WAS 4.250 (talk) 20:23, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

Hurricane article moves
Hi there. I saw you moved several hurricane articles, for example, 1945 Southeast Florida hurricane, to a name with a capital "H". Per the Manual of Style, this is not correct. If you feel an article should be named differently, you might want to leave a note on WT:WPTC. Cheers! Juliancolton Tropical Cyclone  15:43, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

Re: Lebron James
Hey there, in regards with your reference to the article i want to tell you that i didn't actually mean to readd the nonsense. I thought the last edit was the one that vandalized the page. Really sorry. Sergiogr (talk) 13:01, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

Unreferenced
It's not nonsense at all; it's our most fundamental policy, non-negotiable and not fulfilled by implication that the source is is the case itself. If you confirm that you used the case itself for the information, I'll do it for you, though you'll still need a reference for the statement that the case is a "landmark".--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 17:37, 14 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Have you actually read the Law journal article by Blakey? ––Bender235 (talk) 17:41, 14 June 2008 (UTC)
 * No and reading it is irrelevant. If it says the case is a landmark case then cite it as a source. A further reading section serves to point people to...further reading. It does not act as a reference for the material because you are not citing it as a reference. If you tell me that it says it is a landmark case (not necessarily in those words), I'll reference that for you as well. Let me make this explicit. Tell me what information in this article comes from what sources, and I'll do the heavy lifting.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 17:47, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

Allen Wilson (American football)
Please add references to Allen Wilson (American football). It's especially important that living people's articles be properly referenced. davidwr/ (talk)/(contribs)/(e-mail)  03:20, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks. davidwr/  (talk)/(contribs)/(e-mail)  12:31, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
 * No problem. —Bender235 (talk) 12:32, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

Re: PNG to SVG
Regarding your edit summary :
 * you might prefer to read Image use policy before making that type of stupid revert again

You may possible prefer to read this long discussion on talk, and read WP:CIVIL before doing a change that now has been reverted 4 times (for you alone). (Note that the very first revert - pointed the discussion out for you). May i suggest that you either convert the existing PNG to SVG, create a better SVG, ask the original contributer to make one, leave the PNG alone or try to get consensus for the change on Talk? --Kim D. Petersen (talk) 13:31, 24 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Huh? Why should I suggest to convert the exisiting PNG to SVG? It's already been done. Compare those to graphics. I can't see any difference, besides the colors. So what is wrong with that SVG version? ––Bender235 (talk) 14:10, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

AfD nomination of Bill Blankenship
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Physical oceanography
Thanks for cleaning up the references. Crowsnest (talk) 12:48, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

Inflation vs normalization
To give the cost of an event in present year dollars, you need to inflate the cost of the event at the time. If a storm caused $100 million in 1950, that is about $900 million in 2008 USD - irrespective of what happened to the area afterwards. Consider the following two extreme events: The first will have an enormous cost, but a 2005 wealth normalization would give an insignificant value - as the population is non-existent. The second is even more extreme: As its before humanity was there, the cost is obviously 0. However, by definition (the calculation Pielke used would break down), a wealth normalization would give an identical figure to that of the 1906 earthquake - about $120 billion (2006).
 * 1) A storm, such as the Indianola Hurricane of 1886 completely destroys a city which is then not rebuilt.
 * 2) An earthquake identical to the 1906 San Francisco earthquake, except that it occured 500,000 years ago.

Which of my hypothetical events has a higher cost, the storm that permanently destroyed a city, or the earthquake that hit an uninabited area? If you looked at wealth normalized figures the earthquake would be vastly more damaging, which is absurd. This is because wealth normalization attempts to say what the event would do IF it happened today, it is not the value of the damage caused in present year prices. That is what an inflation adjustment is for. Wealth normalization is a useful figure to know, but it is NOT the cost of an event.--CycloneAlley (talk) 10:45, 29 June 2008 (UTC)


 * You are making absurd comparisons. The whole wealth normalization thing is just a better way to compare the damage of early 20th century and present day storms. Even the WMO says "recent increase in societal impact from tropical cyclones has largely been caused by rising concentrations of population and infrastructure in coastal regions." —Bender235 (talk) 12:23, 29 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes, I was taking it to extremes. Yes, wealth normalization is a better metric. However, wealth normalization is not now, has not been and never will be "cost" - do not ever conflate the two terms!--CycloneAlley (talk) 12:26, 29 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Fact is that inflation adjustment is just the same, just not as precise as wealth normalization. ––Bender235 (talk) 12:36, 29 June 2008 (UTC)
 * The cost of an event is related to the damage caused not the damage potential. If a hurricane destroys one house on a sparsely populated coast its inappropriate to say the value of the damage caused is the value of the town that developed there after the event. Hurricane Katrina is the most costly storm in US history, that fact the Miami hurricane would do more damage today doesn't mean it was actually more costly. $100 in 1950 is equivalent to $900 in 2008, so saying something did $100 damage in 1950 is equivalent to saying it did $900 (2008 USD). It is not equivalent to saying it did $5000 (2008 USD) - even if that is what wealth normalization would indicate.--CycloneAlley (talk) 12:26, 29 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Actually using the numbers I just used to explain the semantic difference:
 * The event caused $100 worth of damage in 1950
 * That damage is worth $900 in 2008
 * If the event occured again today it would cause $5000 in damage
 * To call the $5000 figure more accurate, when talking about the damage caused by the event is incorrect; but the inflated $900 reflects what the damage caused would be worth today. The $5000 is more useful when discussing potential for damage. Therefore, the inflated figures are better for the articles on the storms (as they report what the storm actually did), whilst normalized figures are more useful for broader discussion - such as that in effects of global warming.--CycloneAlley (talk) 12:49, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

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Minor edits
Please remember to mark your edits as minor if (and only if) they genuinely are minor edits (see Help:Minor edit). Marking a major change as a minor one is considered poor etiquette. The rule of thumb is that only an edit that consists solely of spelling corrections, formatting changes, or rearranging of text without modifying content should be flagged as a 'minor edit.'  -FrankTobia (talk) 22:33, 7 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Okay, but what particular article or edit do you mean? ––Bender235 (talk) 11:51, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

Barnstar



 * Thank you. ––Bender235 (talk) 16:25, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

Eisentrager
Stop with the supercilious meddling with Eisentrager which you incorrectly misspell as "Eisenträger." NO case book spells it the German way. This is an American case, with American spelling which is consistent across the board. You don't change the spelling just because you think it looks wrong from your German perspective. Many immigration cases in American law often misspell foreign names. You don't "change" it to the "right" spelling just because you think or know it's the "right" spelling. It's standard practice to let the Anglicization of the name stand so as not to cause further confusion later. The official version is Eisentrager -- NOT Eisenträger, and that's that.

Your overzealous "correction" of German names in American case law is wrongheaded, pernicious, and unhelpful. 220.255.114.249 (talk) 14:49, 13 July 2008 (UTC)


 * I not sure whether I violated any convention with that. I started a discussion on the SCOTUS project talk page. ––Bender235 (talk) 16:21, 13 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks. 220.255.112.52 (talk) 22:20, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

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Primes and ' or ' '
I can see no reference to primes in WP:MoS: what is the basis of your insistence upon them in the 2008 Tour de France times lists? Kevin McE (talk) 17:30, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

I agree. When the Tour ends, I'm going to make a table with the complete final GC like I did last year, and I'll tell you right now, I'm going to use ' and ", because they look exactly the same as the primes and they're, you know, actually on my keyboard. I notice especially your edit summary of putting them in "AGAIN". You would probably be best served to wait until the end, because you'll excuse me if I'm not willing to build the GC top ten table twice when I can just copy-and-paste it for 2008 Tour de France from the article for the stage recaps (which, I notice, you haven't edited). Nosleep (talk) 17:57, 22 July 2008 (UTC)


 * My "basis" is common sense. We don't use minus signs when en dashes are appropriate, we don't write X when its actually &Chi;, and we don't use apostrophes to mark minutes and seconds. ––Bender235 (talk) 18:15, 22 July 2008 (UTC)


 * You make a valid point in terms of WP:ACCESS in the discussion at WP:MoS. You do not encourage people to agree with such points with rude edit notes and and terse explanations as here.  Kevin McE (talk) 09:36, 24 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Okay, I'll keep that in mind. ––Bender235 (talk) 10:04, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

Hernandez v. New York
Wow, looks great. Bearian (talk) 19:15, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

Hi Bender235
I just wanted to thank you for all your useful law-related contributions. Perhaps you would be interested in joining WikiProject Law? --Eastlaw (talk) 00:53, 29 July 2008 (UTC)


 * I'm already involved in the Wikipedia talk:WikiProject U.S. Supreme Court cases. ––Bender235 (talk) 17:34, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

Volcanic Explosivity Index
Hi. Why did you revert my original edit? Was it because of the collateral damage or the information seemed dubious? I backed it up with a source, and indeed it lists exactly 46 VEI-8 eruptions. You added the info to the article, but it is still missing from the table. Please re-add it to the table, with the figures, except without the collateral damage. Thanks. ~ A H  1 (TCU) 01:30, 30 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Also, please re-add the citation I added, and the info that came with the citation. If the column under VEI-8 is left as 0, it contradicts the info from lower down, in the examples section. Thanks. ~ A H  1 (TCU) 01:32, 30 July 2008 (UTC)


 * The source you used is a non-peer-reviewed popular science book. It is recommened not to use those type of sources in Wikipedia, instead using peer-reviewed articles from scientific journals. ––Bender235 (talk) 09:21, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

Paleotempestology
Thank you for your recent edits to this article to include a reference section. Due to recent changes in the categorization system, references need to be inline in order for the article to ever be elevated to C, B, let alone GA class. If you could do this, I'd be happy to elevate the article's category. Thegreatdr (talk) 12:50, 30 July 2008 (UTC)


 * So I did. ––Bender235 (talk) 19:02, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

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1842 Spain Hurricane
I made a stub again because it was very short. If you want to expand it and make it a article again, You can make a sandbox. --Elena85 | Talk to Me | Arlene87 is now Elena85 16:42, 3 August 2008 (UTC)


 * You didn't made it a stub, you made it a redirect. There's no reason for that. Read WP:STUB. ––Bender235 (talk) 20:10, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

Regarding the article, I redirected it because of how little information there was, and how much of it was also contained in the season article. However, I read the paper the article references, and there is plenty of info there, so there is definite room for expansion. Sorry for the inconvenience, but in the future could you make it not so stubby when creating articles? Cheers. ♬♩ Hurricanehink ( talk ) 04:13, 4 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Where is the problem with creating stubs? The whole Wikipedia concept is one person creating a stub, and dozens of people contributing to it in months and years. Even Hurricane Katrina started as a stub in 2005. ––Bender235 (talk) 09:17, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

But Katrina had more info then compared to your article. --Elena85 | Talk to Me | Arlene87 is now Elena85 14:35, 4 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I tend to agree that there's generally nothing wrong with writing stubs on notable storms. Indeed, if a stub was created on a fishspinner, then I would support a merge. But in the case where the article is likely to survive an AfD based on notability, a stub is a good place to start for eventual improvements. Juliancolton Tropical Cyclone  01:47, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

== for  == What's the point? I don't get it. Just takes up more space. What's  for, if not to save space?--BillFlis (talk) 00:40, 5 August 2008 (UTC)


 * I didn't make the W3C recommendations. See XHTML for explanation. ––Bender235 (talk) 00:43, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

. However, in the past, I added forward slashes only to have another editor revert the changes. I wanted to cite a Wikipedia guideline or policy to support my changes, but was unable to find one. Can you point me in the right direction Bender235? Thanks! →Wordbuilder (talk) 00:51, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I came here to discuss the same thing. I'm not opposed to using


 * If you take a look at the source code of a random Wikipedia article, you'll see that the document type declaration says XHTML not HTML. In XHTML, empty elements (such as  or  ) need to be closed, which means   has to be   (which wouldn't make much sense) or  . This is just implementing correct XHTML source code. ––Bender235 (talk) 01:03, 5 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Couldn't a bot handle that? Seems like a waste of human brainpower that could be used more constructively elsewhere.--BillFlis (talk) 12:13, 5 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Sure. You may request a bot or use AutoWikiBrowser. ––Bender235 (talk) 12:31, 5 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks. That makes sense. If there isn't a Wikipedia guideline that calls for this, there should be. →Wordbuilder (talk) 16:56, 5 August 2008 (UTC)


 * You might propose one. Damn, I just realized I made a mistake. Quote Line break handling: The  tag used here is not really HTML markup but "HTML wikimarkup" that gets interpreted by MediaWiki. Which means if you write   in an article, the MediaWiki software automatically converts it to   ––Bender235 (talk) 17:00, 5 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Well, at least, that will save you time in the future. Bummer for the changes you already made. I appreciate your help. Keep up the great work! →Wordbuilder (talk) 19:41, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

Congratulations
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Template:JSTOR
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Pisanosaurus
Hi Bender,

You recently altered Pisanosaurus measurements, changing 5 lbs to 4.4 lbs. However, this isn't what the source used says: it gives the weight at 5 lbs (or 2.27-9.1 kg). Because the specimen is incompletely known, it didn't make sense for me to give an exact number for the weight range (down to decimal points), and so I rounded that number. When you converted that number and switched the main measurement to kilograms from pounds, the number changed from 5 lbs to 4.4 lbs. But the source gives the lower weight range as 5 lbs. Will you fix this? I don't care if metric measurements are used before English ones, but they must match the source cited. (we can't use 4.4 kg as a measurement if the source we're citing uses 5 kg). Firsfron of Ronchester 13:48, 15 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Convert has a function to round conversions. I just implemented it. ––Bender235 (talk) 14:04, 15 August 2008 (UTC)


 * I've adjusted it. The reason I don't use that template is because one can't say "approximately" when using the template because it converts so precisely (down to decimal points). Really, I feel the conversion template is unnecessary here: to get it to convert to the correct amount, 5 lbs, one has to stick in 2.27 kg, which isn't an approximation at all, and seems inappropriate for a fossil genus known from only one incomplete skeleton. Firsfron of Ronchester  14:28, 15 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Well, you can round negatively, which means 3 kg = 3 kg instead of 3 kg = 3 kg. ––Bender235 (talk) 14:39, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

Yttrium
Reflist can't be used with the group=notes feature. Please look at the before and after of your edit. --mav (talk) 21:59, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

Brent schaeffer...where is he?
What happened to him? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Taller18 (talk • contribs) 03:53, 19 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Am I supposed to know that? ––Bender235 (talk) 08:53, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

Tyreke Evans
Agreed on one point, that he has received significant coverage in multiple reliable sources (I should have read the current article more carefully!). As to WP:ATHLETE, in my understanding, collegiate-level players are not notable until they play in the highest level of their sport, i.e. NCAA championships. In this he may not qualify, but that is a moot point now. Might I ask, how did you notice the deletion so soon after it occurred? You are not listed as an admin. ... Anyways, thanks for catching this. Cheers and happy editing


 * I had that page on my watchlist. Thanks for restoring it. ––Bender235 (talk) 17:53, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

Extinction of the Polar Bear
Read about scientists predicting the extinction of the PB by 2040 in the newspapers. However, since then, acceleration of the melting of the Arctic icecap makes it all too likely they will be gone even before then. Next time I read something about it, I shall carefully note the source and include it when I enter the latest prediction. Das Baz, aka Erudil 16:27, 28 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Polar bears will not necessarily extinct if the Artic icecaps melt. I never read that in a scientific journal. ––Bender235 (talk) 17:12, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

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Defensive-lineman-1990s-stub
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Conversions
The reason is simple - it sometimes creates conversion data that doesn't match up with the National Hurricane Center advisories. The numbers are supposed to match up directly with them, as that is the only official source. CrazyC83 (talk) 17:59, 4 September 2008 (UTC)


 * The only way these data doesn't match is the accuracy, nothing else. A kilometer is just as long for NHC as it is for Wikipedia, but 1 km may be 0.6 mi, or 0.621 mi, or 0.621371192 mi, depending on the accuracy. convert is definitely working correct; all you have to do is adjusting it in case the data is too accurate or not accurate enough. ––Bender235 (talk) 21:40, 4 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Ah, this is a very common mistake not directly related to the template. The NHC measures everything in knots and nautical miles, but the information that we want is in statute miles, statute miles per hour, km, and km/h. So when the NHC records 160 knot winds, we want to say 185 mph (295 km/h), even though converting 185 mph to km/h yields 300 km/h. So the Convert template doesn't really work.  Plasticup  T / C  13:37, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

Sorting U.S. Supreme Court cases
Hi Bender235, I noticed that you have been adding a lot of articles on U.S. Supreme Court cases.

I was wondering if you would be willing to help us over here at WP:SCOTUS by putting the cases on this list onto their respective Lists of United States Supreme Court cases. This is a big job, and a number of people (myself included) have been working on it for nearly six weeks. Any amount of help we can get is would be much appreciated. --Eastlaw (talk) 00:33, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

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Hottinger family
hello. I work for the hottinger family and I saw tha you are studying german. I was wondering if we could pay you to translate all the hottinger articals into german on wikipiedia.if so how much would you charge. my email is richotting@aol.com —Preceding unsigned comment added by Richotting (talk • contribs) 12:38, 3 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Actually I'm not studying German, I am German. Also, I'm sorry, but I lack the time to translate all these articles. ––Bender235 (talk) 12:43, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

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Volcanic Explosivity Index
Hi. Back a while ago, you changed my citation for La Garita Caldera and updated it to a VEI 9.2, based on the total explosivity rather than just the magma ejection volume. Now, a user has changed the info in the article Volcanic Explosivity Index, arguing that it was not a VEI 9, but rather an 8.5. However, the original source for 9.2 is citationed, so it should be changed back to VEI 9, but I feel this should be discussed before potentially reverting, as it might be unclear whether the article should use direct calculations based on ejected volume or referenced numbers based on total explosivity, and I have started one at the user's talkpage, maybe the VEI 9 for LGC should have a citation as well, to avoid this? Thanks. ~ A H  1 (TCU) 00:25, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

An historically
Hi. Thanks for all the many fixes you have recently been doing. However, could I ask you to take care when in comes to "a" or "an" before a word begining with "h", for example here. "...an historically..." is perfectly good, at least in British English, and while I understand there are differences of opnion as regards to what is correct in similar instances, it is probably not a good idea to try and change these with AWB. Gaius Cornelius (talk) 15:19, 16 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Okay. Maybe you should raise that subject at Wikipedia talk:AutoWikiBrowser. ––Bender235 (talk) 15:22, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

I did not realise that it was in AutoWikiBrowser/Typos. I have now deleted it. Gaius Cornelius (talk) 15:50, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

Emanuel Lasker
Hi. What made you think that "complaints" was a typo for "compliants"? 165.189.91.148 (talk) 19:26, 21 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Typo fixing ––Bender235 (talk) 19:28, 21 October 2008 (UTC)
 * It isn't a typo! Also, stop changing "cataloged" to "catalogued".  This also isn't a typo. 165.189.91.148 (talk) 19:31, 21 October 2008 (UTC)
 * You're right on "complaints/compliants". I'm sorry. But "catalogued" is perfect English. ––Bender235 (talk) 19:33, 21 October 2008 (UTC)
 * "Cataloged" is also perfect English, so don't change it without good reason. 165.189.91.148 (talk) 19:34, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

Alaksandar Milinkievič
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Allen Broussard
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October 2008
Please do not add commentary or your own personal analysis to Wikipedia articles. Doing so violates Wikipedia's neutral point of view policy and breaches the formal tone expected in an encyclopedia. Only adding critics of the Heller decision is a POV push. SMP0328. (talk) 01:05, 30 October 2008 (UTC)


 * I did not add "my own personal analysis". I added scholarly comments by renowned Federal jugdes. Both sentences where cited from a source. ––Bender235 (talk) 09:35, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

Wally Bullington
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Flags
Hi, I removed some flags from infoboxes you added to articles. Per Manual of Style (icons), in general, flags should not be used in infoboxes. Garion96 (talk) 11:37, 22 November 2008 (UTC)


 * No, MoS does not say that. Flagicons are appropriate for signaling nationality or citizenship. ––bender235 (talk) 11:40, 22 November 2008 (UTC)
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Giant Huntsman spider
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Linebacker-1990s-stub
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Giant page views for Giant huntsman
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