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FlyingToaster Barnstar Hello Benjiboi! Thank you so much for your support in my  recent RfA , which passed with a tally of 126 / 32 / 5. I am truly humbled by the trust you placed in me, and will endeavor to live up to that trust.  Flying Toaster 


 * Your very welcome! Congrats! -- Banj e  b oi   07:53, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

This
Hi! I won't revert that, but as the project is not technically an "article" wouldn't it be outside our scope? Best, --A NobodyMy talk 03:10, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
 * No actually. The tag needs to be modified at some point so when it's not used on articles it shows more relevant information but the spirit is the same. In this case it's also ironic. -- Banj e  b oi   07:54, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I suppose. Best, --A NobodyMy talk 08:48, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

Thanks
For this. Reduces potential flash points and disputes - would have done it myself, but seemed inappropriate somehow. Fritzpoll (talk) 21:46, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
 * No problem. Everytime ARS is essential under attack the project does improve. A history of ARS is a history of accusations and improvements so i see this as yet another round. (sigh). -- Banj e  b oi   18:44, 22 May 2009 (UTC)

Historic photo
Wonder what article we could work this non-free photo into? Or any of these from the same archive. As a non-free fair use low resolution historic image, they can be uploaded here on Wikipedia and used in an article. You name the article and the image, I'll handle the image. - ALLST✰R ▼ echo wuz here @ 13:01, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Those are great! I wasn't able to get my image uploadie thingee working but if you're willing ...

Gay Activist Alliance Firehouse exterior, 1971.; ID: 1582114 - could be used to show lambda being used by early gay rights group

and Dance at Gay Activists Alliance Firehouse, 1971; ID: 1582120 - could be used on the Circuit party article.

Thanks for finding those! -- Banj e b oi   19:01, 22 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I don't think we can use the image in the Circuit party article since a free alternative does exist. is on a mass deletion rampage of unfree images used for "decoration". - ALLST✰R ▼ echo wuz here @ 23:00, 22 May 2009 (UTC)
 * If they aren't free then forget it. Damiens.rf needs to find a better hobby, IMHO. Of course the hopeful cynic in me would suggest that many of those who doth protest too much do so for closeted reasons. -- Banj e  b oi   23:12, 22 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately, they aren't free. A one Diana Davies is the photographer and owns the copyright according to the New York Public Library pages. Davies is apparently famous for her activism and photography documenting early gay rights marches and history. I can't find any contact info on her doing a web search. I did find an independent record label of which she released (apparently she's a musician too) some records on so I sent them an email asking if they had any contact info or would forward my email on to her. It would be nice to talk to her and get permission to use her photos, freely at Commons. - ALLST✰R ▼ echo wuz here @ 23:37, 22 May 2009 (UTC)

Whack!

 * Well I am a bit of special so if I can't be amusing every once in a while I'd simply have to burst with angst. Luckily it hasn't come to that. -- Banj e  b oi   19:02, 22 May 2009 (UTC)

MfD for ARS
I just wanted to point out that I said I don't trust many of the main participants in the project. I had a whole thing written out at one point that said to the effect that "one of the main participants I not only liked but respected and trust". Obviously, that participant was you. For the sake of brevity, I shortened the statement and didn't explicitly state that my characterization didn't include all of the participants. That being said, I think AMiB has it right for the most part, he's just pursuing this in the wrong venue. It's also clear that many of the main participants on the projects talk page don't want to hear any criticism and are attempting to shut down possible reforms that in the end would keep the project safe from any controversies. Looking over the talk page, it is clear that a few participants with notoriously low standards for inclusion are trying to expand the scope of the ARS without doing the work of actually rescuing articles. The talk page is practically impossible to read because 90% of what is being said pretty much is no one actually listening to the people they disagree with (and this includes AMiB who is rightfully blocked right now). I saw your response to me, as I was actually going to expand my desired outcome to include an RfC, which can only improve any project because it can bring in fresh eyes and fresh ideas. Sorry if I offended you, as I did not and do not consider you untrustworthy or acting in bad faith. I should've been more clear and explicit about who I was concerned about, though I hesitate to call anyone out. AniMate draw 18:52, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I appreciate you spelling that out. FWIW, I don't share the view, at all, that criticism aren't heard although in fairness the messengers sometimes veer away from constructive to being confrontational so those criticisms aren't equally heard by all. Even the "rabid inclusionist" folks have been quite reasonable in dilineating between what is inclusion and what is neutral. I'm also in no rush to fix things based on some rather pointy criticism. If there is an actual problem we should address that. I feel we have avoided and are working on the very issues brought up but when we're being attacked constantly it's hard to make any progress all while trying to do our work. Some of the critics won't be satidfied until they shut ARS down and that's rather chilling, no? The concept that ARS are XfD specialists but in some way should be topic-banned from discussion XfD policies or that an editor who is affialiated with ARS who works on an article but then shouldn't be allowed to !vote like everyone else also seems backasswards. Likewise that we need to do anything special that any other Wikiproject wouldn't or doesn't. This is all related to very few user behavioural issues and unfortunately A Man In Black's poor choices have made it all about them. As for an RfC? I'm open to a constructive one that actually discusses a concrete RfC-able issue. We shouldn't have "can ARS be notified of policy discussions" because the answer is rather obviously yes, all Wikiprojects can. So if there is an RfC that says "should Wikiprojects no longer be allowed to be notified of policy discussions" I would see that as neutral but also a snow give-me-a-break RfC. Every other issue has been discussed with similar results. The issues mainly boil down to a handful of users who should be addressed regarding those issues. The few "inclusionists" who AMIB targeted don't seem to posting non-neutral notifications so that would seem to address those problems, yet AMIB calls holy war against ARS. I will work with you or anyone else who honestly believes an RfC of some sort would end the war of deletionists vs inclusionists but ARS isn't the homebase of either although civil discussion from anyone regardless of beliefs is welcome. I'm afraid any ARS XfD and RfC is used or devolves into the entrenched battle of these two camps when most of ARS, and my guess, most Wikipedians are somewhere in the middle and just aren't into the protracted battleground mentality and simply want to focus on improving articles. -- <u style="font-size:14px; font-family: cursive;color:#8000FF">Banj e  <u style="font-size:14px;font-family: Zapfino, sans-serif;color:deeppink">b oi   19:22, 22 May 2009 (UTC)

TUSC token 01ffe11167cdfc491961b238e520ffa4
I am now proud owner of a TUSC account! -- <u style="font-size:14px; font-family: cursive;color:#8000FF">Banj e <u style="font-size:14px;font-family: Zapfino, sans-serif;color:deeppink">b oi   18:52, 22 May 2009 (UTC)

Fred Martinez
dissappointed in AfD, given the evolution in Colorado law. would quotes from the journal article increase notability? i can get the hard copy in my library. pohick (talk) 01:35, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
 * The article will be recreated. There's a feature film about Martinez so don't sweat it. I'll see if I can get a copy of the film, (sigh), it will be sad, I'll take notes and the rest is gravy and Damien can save face that is was deleted when they wanted although later new sources were found. These cases are always sad but it's rather sickening when edit-warred on top of an already brutal hate crime. We press on. -- <u style="font-size:14px; font-family: cursive;color:#8000FF">Banj e  <u style="font-size:14px;font-family: Zapfino, sans-serif;color:deeppink">b oi   07:15, 23 May 2009 (UTC)

Hug

 * Actually I know a lot of lesbians who are very keen on hugs from hot guys. I do appreciate this however as *hugs* are nice! Lesbian or otherwise. In fairness if the guys were naked I think the percentage of lesbians keen on receiving those hugs would taper down (cough, cough) a bit. -- <u style="font-size:14px; font-family: cursive;color:#8000FF">Banj e  <u style="font-size:14px;font-family: Zapfino, sans-serif;color:deeppink">b oi   19:26, 22 May 2009 (UTC)
 * The subjects in the photo could take a different approach to this. They could paint those words and symbols in high-protection sunscreen, and lie in the sun for about 6 hours, and then wash up (in cold water). And then, voila - a natural temporary tattoo. Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots 23:28, 22 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I just want them to get naked and do the happy dance for me. - ALLST✰R ▼ echo wuz here @ 23:38, 22 May 2009 (UTC)
 * That would present special opportunities for unwanted areas of sunburn. Rita Rudner once said, about going to a topless beach in Australia for the first time, "They've never been out in the sun before. They might catch fire!" Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots 23:40, 22 May 2009 (UTC)
 * If they get sunburn down there, I'll be more than happy to apply aloe vera for them.. down there. - ALLST✰R ▼ echo wuz here @ 03:13, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Probably first apply some ice water to reduce the swelling. Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots 03:17, 23 May 2009 (UTC)

Lesbians like to hug men? Well, so much for the old "lesbian trapped in a man's body" line. :( Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots 03:19, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
 * The lesbians I deal with are fab! And like Ellen they know a good cocktail and how to tip pole-dancers! -- <u style="font-size:14px; font-family: cursive;color:#8000FF">Banj e  <u style="font-size:14px;font-family: Zapfino, sans-serif;color:deeppink">b oi   04:06, 24 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm a pole dancer and I get tipped quite often. I'm just sayin'... - ALLST✰R ▼ echo wuz here @ 06:32, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

Barack Obama substance abuse controversy
You should point out in your PROD summary the POV fork and the creator having nommed the same Bush article for deletion. - ALLST✰R ▼ echo wuz here @ 03:52, 24 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I think I impled the fork but I have little confidence the tag will stay in place. This seems like a very POV editor who'se future promise on the project is tenuous at best. Even if the two are related they'll still be judged seperately. My hunch is this will be removed and it's just a matter of when. Anti-Obama content pops all over the place and we simply have to be polite and sort it out, give the POV-pushers enough rope to ____ themselves. -- <u style="font-size:14px; font-family: cursive;color:#8000FF">Banj e  <u style="font-size:14px;font-family: Zapfino, sans-serif;color:deeppink">b oi   04:05, 24 May 2009 (UTC)
 * And so it goes ... -- <u style="font-size:14px; font-family: cursive;color:#8000FF">Banj e  <u style="font-size:14px;font-family: Zapfino, sans-serif;color:deeppink">b oi   04:18, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

Kraven's First Hunt
Sorry for the confusion. It's a long story. Just ignore the extra titles. I crossed them out on the AFD to prevent further confusion. Once again, sorry for the mess.--Sandor Clegane (talk) 13:18, 24 May 2009 (UTC)


 * No problem, thanks for cleaning it up. -- <u style="font-size:14px; font-family: cursive;color:#8000FF">Banj e  <u style="font-size:14px;font-family: Zapfino, sans-serif;color:deeppink">b oi   03:37, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

ThankSpam

 * Congrats and thank you for your note. It was a unique situation and for lack of anyone else trying it indeed took courage to experiment to see how it would go. -- <u style="font-size:14px; font-family: cursive;color:#8000FF">Banj e  <u style="font-size:14px;font-family: Zapfino, sans-serif;color:deeppink">b oi   03:37, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

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Talkback
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Re: Fred Martinez
✅ at User:Benjiboi/Fred Martinez. – Juliancolton  &#124; Talk 20:09, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
 * That was quick! Thank you! -- <u style="font-size:14px; font-family: cursive;color:#8000FF">Banj e  <u style="font-size:14px;font-family: Zapfino, sans-serif;color:deeppink">b oi   20:11, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

William A. Donohue
review mass deletions by Mamaljulo (sp?) and restore as appropriate if no one else has. Benjiboi


 * Media Matters refs all have sources listed, source originals as well. Benjiboi
 * feh -- <u style="font-size:14px; font-family: cursive;color:#8000FF">Banj e  <u style="font-size:14px;font-family: Zapfino, sans-serif;color:deeppink">b oi   02:07, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

new source for talkpage resources
daily voice w/Keith Boykin as editor. <u style="text-decoration:none;font-family: papyrus;color:#CC00CC">Banj e <u style="font-family: Zapfino, sans-serif;color:#8000FF">b<font color="#FF4400">oi
 * moved. -- <u style="font-size:14px; font-family: cursive;color:#8000FF">Banj e  <u style="font-size:14px;font-family: Zapfino, sans-serif;color:deeppink">b oi   02:26, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

Images help - for talkpage resources

 * Reviewing free images
 * Reviewing non-free images -- <u style="font-size:12px; font-family: cursive;color:#CC00CC">Banj e  <u style="font-size:14px;font-family: Zapfino, sans-serif;color:deeppink">b oi
 * Moved. -- <u style="font-size:14px; font-family: cursive;color:#8000FF">Banj e  <u style="font-size:14px;font-family: Zapfino, sans-serif;color:deeppink">b oi   02:11, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

Talk:Autofellatio
add FAQ. -- <u style="font-size:14px; font-family: cursive;color:#8000FF">Banj e <u style="font-size:14px;font-family: Zapfino, sans-serif;color:deeppink">b oi
 * Done. -- <u style="font-size:14px; font-family: cursive;color:#8000FF">Banj e  <u style="font-size:14px;font-family: Zapfino, sans-serif;color:deeppink">b oi   01:43, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

Autofellatio/FAQ
Please do not create talk pages in mainspace. You are welcome to discuss articles on article's talk pages or create sub pages of those talk pages if you feel this is necessary. Passportguy (talk) 00:05, 29 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Um, I've already address this on ... wait for it ... the talk page of the article. I'm attempting to ease the circular discussion that has plodded on for way too long - like months. And a quick tour through the archives so similar discussion going back several years. A FAQ is one of the ways to help stop circular discussions so editors can move on to more constructive endeavors. Please consider also speedy tagging Talk:Barack Obama/FAQ for deletion if you really feel these are now disallowed for some reason. -- <u style="font-size:14px; font-family: cursive;color:#8000FF">Banj e  <u style="font-size:14px;font-family: Zapfino, sans-serif;color:deeppink">b oi   00:10, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Autofellatio/FAQ
A proposed deletion template has been added to the article Autofellatio/FAQ, suggesting that it be deleted according to the proposed deletion process&#32; because of the following concern:
 * FAQs in main article space is disregarded.

All contributions are appreciated, but this article may not satisfy Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, and the deletion notice should explain why (see also "What Wikipedia is not" and Wikipedia's deletion policy). You may prevent the proposed deletion by removing the  notice, but please explain why you disagree with the proposed deletion in your edit summary or on its talk page.

Please consider improving the article to address the issues raised because, even though removing the deletion notice will prevent deletion through the proposed deletion process, the article may still be deleted if it matches any of the speedy deletion criteria or it can be sent to Articles for Deletion, where it may be deleted if consensus to delete is reached.  Zoo Fari  00:07, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Moved to Talk:Autofellatio/FAQ, thanks for the help. -- <u style="font-size:14px; font-family: cursive;color:#8000FF">Banj e  <u style="font-size:14px;font-family: Zapfino, sans-serif;color:deeppink">b oi   00:11, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Ah, okay. It has now been tagged for speedy deletion per housekeeping.  Zoo Fari  00:13, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Shouldn't it be instead redirected to the talkpage? I'm going to be bold and do that. -- <u style="font-size:14px; font-family: cursive;color:#8000FF">Banj e  <u style="font-size:14px;font-family: Zapfino, sans-serif;color:deeppink">b oi   00:17, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
 * No, a redirect from a mainspace to a namespace is not accepted.  Zoo Fari  00:21, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Oops. Logic fails me again. -- <u style="font-size:14px; font-family: cursive;color:#8000FF">Banj e  <u style="font-size:14px;font-family: Zapfino, sans-serif;color:deeppink">b oi   00:22, 29 May 2009 (UTC)