User talk:Benjiboi/Archive 49

Susan Stryker
ZOMG, she needs an article, write for DYK. -- Banj e b oi
 * Moved to todo. -- Banj e  b oi   04:09, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

Sam Champion
add infobox. -- Banj e b oi
 * MOved to todo. -- Banj e  b oi   04:09, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

Harmful to Minors
add book infobox. -- Banj e b oi
 * Moved to todo. -- Banj e  b oi   04:09, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

Twin Peaks (bar)
First LGBT bar with windows. -- Banj e b oi
 * Moved to todo. -- Banj e  b oi   04:09, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

Council on Religion and the Homosexual
Like a Stonewall for San Francisco but more passive-agressive and with cocktails and frocks. -- <u style="font-size:14px; font-family: cursive;color:#8000FF">Banj e <u style="font-size:14px;font-family: Zapfino, sans-serif;color:deeppink">b oi
 * Moved to todo. -- <u style="font-size:14px; font-family: cursive;color:#8000FF">Banj e  <u style="font-size:14px;font-family: Zapfino, sans-serif;color:deeppink">b oi   04:09, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

Jo(h)n Sim(s) disambig page
Merge various. -- <u style="font-size:14px; font-family: cursive;color:#8000FF">Banj e <u style="font-size:14px;font-family: Zapfino, sans-serif;color:deeppink">b oi
 * Moved to todo. -- <u style="font-size:14px; font-family: cursive;color:#8000FF">Banj e  <u style="font-size:14px;font-family: Zapfino, sans-serif;color:deeppink">b oi   04:09, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

Josie's Juice Joint
LGBT comedy birthplace, they all performed there apparently. -- <u style="font-size:14px; font-family: cursive;color:#8000FF">Banj e <u style="font-size:14px;font-family: Zapfino, sans-serif;color:deeppink">b oi
 * Moved to todo. -- <u style="font-size:14px; font-family: cursive;color:#8000FF">Banj e  <u style="font-size:14px;font-family: Zapfino, sans-serif;color:deeppink">b oi   04:09, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

Juanita More
Big time drag queen/performance artist in SF who only wears haute couture and does major fundraising events; also her posse of photogenic More boys. -- <u style="font-size:14px; font-family: cursive;color:#8000FF">Banj e <u style="font-size:14px;font-family: Zapfino, sans-serif;color:deeppink">b oi
 * Moved to todo. -- <u style="font-size:14px; font-family: cursive;color:#8000FF">Banj e  <u style="font-size:14px;font-family: Zapfino, sans-serif;color:deeppink">b oi   04:09, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

Disputed non-free use rationale for File:2007 Pride magazine.jpg
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LGBT Question
I'd like to start a new article about a LGBT artist. The only problem is a lot of the press I have on them is in actual magazines. How does one prove notability if a lot of the person's press (40%?) is in actual gay publications/magazines not online press. What would you suggest I do? Thanks. Swancookie (talk) 21:41, 19 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Hi, you're in luck, sources do not have to be available online and many, most?, aren't. Use the template at Template:Citation#Citing journals, newspapers, magazines, or other periodicals and fill in every thing you have. Be sure to put the entire cite within ref tags like . Good luck!  -- <u style="font-size:14px; font-family: cursive;color:#8000FF">Banj e  <u style="font-size:14px;font-family: Zapfino, sans-serif;color:deeppink">b oi   03:40, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

Brandon Pereyda
start BLP? <u style="text-decoration:none;font-family: papyrus;color:#CC00CC">Banje <u style="font-family: Zapfino, sans-serif;color:#8000FF">boi
 * Moved to todo. -- <u style="font-size:14px; font-family: cursive;color:#8000FF">Banj e  <u style="font-size:14px;font-family: Zapfino, sans-serif;color:deeppink">b oi   00:34, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

Siegfried & Roy clean-up
content dropped, I think, from this large edit, re-add infoboxes and other material as appropriate. <u style="text-decoration:none;font-family: papyrus;color:#CC00CC">Banj e <u style="font-family: Zapfino, sans-serif;color:#8000FF">b<font color="#FF4400">oi
 * Moved to todo. -- <u style="font-size:14px; font-family: cursive;color:#8000FF">Banj e  <u style="font-size:14px;font-family: Zapfino, sans-serif;color:deeppink">b oi   00:34, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

Allen Schindler
source and gravestone image

story has been in film  <u style="text-decoration:none;font-family: papyrus;color:#CC00CC">Banj e  <u style="font-family: Zapfino, sans-serif;color:#8000FF">b<font color="#FF4400">oi
 * moved to todo. -- <u style="font-size:14px; font-family: cursive;color:#8000FF">Banj e  <u style="font-size:14px;font-family: Zapfino, sans-serif;color:deeppink">b oi   00:35, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

Design Industries Foundation Fighting AIDS
build stub. and hatnote for diffa. <u style="text-decoration:none;font-family: papyrus;color:#CC00CC">Banj e <u style="font-family: Zapfino, sans-serif;color:#8000FF">b<font color="#FF4400">oi
 * moved to todo. -- <u style="font-size:14px; font-family: cursive;color:#8000FF">Banj e  <u style="font-size:14px;font-family: Zapfino, sans-serif;color:deeppink">b oi   00:35, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

Trikone
add infobox. <u style="text-decoration:none;font-family: papyrus;color:#CC00CC">Banj e <u style="font-family: Zapfino, sans-serif;color:#8000FF">b oi
 * Moved to todo. -- <u style="font-size:14px; font-family: cursive;color:#8000FF">Banj e  <u style="font-size:14px;font-family: Zapfino, sans-serif;color:deeppink">b oi   00:35, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

Gerald Walpin firing
Hi. In trying to fix the major damage that was done to Gerald Walpin firing by some editors (not by you), it's possible that I may have unintentionally undone some of your good edits. However, I see that most of your edits were about Americorps and Walpin, each of which already have their own separate articles anyway, so it doesn't have to be in this article anyway. If I have not corrected the other things, I apologize - it was not intentional on my part. Grundle2600 (talk) 16:54, 20 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I only was addressing the lede, I hadn't ever heard of this person, the firing or really anyone but Obama - I didn't even known what Americorps was even though they're huge so I came to it all with very fresh eyes. I'm a stickler that the lede be a stand alone stub so if someone only reads the lead they get the overview of what the article is about. In that context we do explain who Walpin, Americorps etc are to provide enough context. For instance it's quite relevant that Americorps has a budget of 250-300 million, in that context disputes over 100,000 will often occur, especially with government projects. Also that Americorps is massive. Ledes aren't always perfect but that ones not too bad. The other issue was to throw away the Wikinews link - that article was quite bias and based on other sources anyway. There are tons of sources for this so I hope the article survives. -- <u style="font-size:14px; font-family: cursive;color:#8000FF">Banj e  <u style="font-size:14px;font-family: Zapfino, sans-serif;color:deeppink">b oi   17:02, 20 June 2009 (UTC)
 * OK. Thank you for understanding. I won't deliberately remove anything that you add or put back in if it has a source. Grundle2600 (talk) 17:22, 20 June 2009 (UTC)
 * No problem, we each have our own style but the critical bit is to get through the AfD. -- <u style="font-size:14px; font-family: cursive;color:#8000FF">Banj e  <u style="font-size:14px;font-family: Zapfino, sans-serif;color:deeppink">b oi   22:05, 20 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I really appreciate your understanding. It's not my policy to delete sourced things, but I was so confused by the massive damage that had happened. Thanks a lot! Grundle2600 (talk) 00:02, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

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Images
Some images I've uploaded that I'm sure you can find an article for...

Such diversity in the second one.. but I have my fav in there. lol - ALLST✰R ▼ echo wuz here  ┌∩┐(◣_◢)┌∩┐ 00:49, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

Love these!!!!! :) Swancookie (talk) 15:47, 23 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I'll see what I can do. -- <u style="font-size:14px; font-family: cursive;color:#8000FF">Banj e  <u style="font-size:14px;font-family: Zapfino, sans-serif;color:deeppink">b oi   09:43, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

re: LGBT symbols template
how's this?...... (feel free to edit/tweak any) Wikignome0529 (talk) 15:56, 23 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Stunning! You're a gem! -- <u style="font-size:14px; font-family: cursive;color:#8000FF">Banj e  <u style="font-size:14px;font-family: Zapfino, sans-serif;color:deeppink">b oi   17:25, 23 June 2009 (UTC)
 * ty ty :-) It is basically just the Religion and homosexuality template with the rainbow color bar stolen from an old mock-up for Template:LGBT rights... but i'll take credit for the remix :-D ...... btw -- I fleshed out Portal:Transgender some more recently, but the random quote pool still only has 1 quote (the RuPaul one from the main LGBT portal). I looked around some on the web, but didn't find anything good.. just letting you know in case you knew of any you wanted to add. thx, Wikignome0529 (talk) 23:25, 23 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Where should they go? -- <u style="font-size:14px; font-family: cursive;color:#8000FF">Banj e  <u style="font-size:14px;font-family: Zapfino, sans-serif;color:deeppink">b oi   23:33, 23 June 2009 (UTC)
 * The layout for the individual quotes is at Portal:Transgender/Random quote/Layout (just copy/paste into one of the red links on Portal:Transgender/Random quote). Then Portal:Transgender/Random quote/Number of quotes has to be upped to match the new # of total quotes (not counting quote zero). 0 and 1 are both RuPaul right now, I think because after the fact I realized it was calling for a quote zero (which didn't exist at the time), so you can overwrite quote 1 probably... Wikignome0529 (talk) 23:44, 23 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I added to the newsletter, I'll start digging some up as well. -- <u style="font-size:14px; font-family: cursive;color:#8000FF">Banj e  <u style="font-size:14px;font-family: Zapfino, sans-serif;color:deeppink">b oi   09:55, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

Create LGBT newsletter archives index page
so we can add a "archives" link to each addition. -- <u style="font-size:14px; font-family: cursive;color:#8000FF">Banj e  <u style="font-size:14px;font-family: Zapfino, sans-serif;color:deeppink">b oi
 * Done. -- <u style="font-size:14px; font-family: cursive;color:#8000FF">Banj e  <u style="font-size:14px;font-family: Zapfino, sans-serif;color:deeppink">b oi   09:55, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

A formal complaint/Hullaballoo
Let me state first that I feel awful that you've been dragged into this mess. I appreciate you giving it any attention at all.

I'm not sure how to issue a formal complaint about Hullaballoo's behavior. Honestly I really don't want to but my fear is that I'm now lumped in with a group of individuals he considers SPAs and he will continually harass me and undo all edits I make, even if they meet wikipi policy and standards. Yesterday he made 6 edits to the article Jessicka, my fear is he will edit that article until he can nominate it for speedy deletion. He's done this with several other articles (he believes are) related: Lenora Claire (made edits until it could be nominated), Mrs. Scabtree, Lisa Leveridge (made edits until it could be nominated). I am beyond sure he has a bias and I believe if you further investigate you'll see his tone speaks for itself.

My last response below:

"I apologize for the lengthiness of my last entry. I'm not SPA! What about the fact that Hullaballoo completely fabricated that I insinuated a LGBT bias of three editors, when all I did is request somebody who was well versed on the topic? What about the fact that anytime there are edits made to the articles mentioned above he goes on some weird rant about myspace or buzzent ( neither site are Christian Hejnal or Jessicka associated with) and further aggravates an already tense situation by referring the the people in the articles as "c list celebrities"and the editors as "socks" and "SPAs". Is that not condescending? Uncivil? I'm sorry his behavior is verging on obsessive. The fact that he sees nothing wrong with this and continues to spout policy rather then admit he's wrong is astonishing. Please review the dispute there is some unsavoriness when certain users defend themselves ( mostly against Hullaballoo) but I think you'll see I'm not one of them. I think you'll see that User:Hullaballoo Wolfowitz is uncivil and borderline hostile with anybody (in the situation) who does not agree with him. I think you'll see that after user:Xtian1313 addressed him and then was accused (By Hullaballoo) of being a sock that Hullaballoo went on an editing spree on his and his wife's articles. I don't think you'll find my tone or my actions abusive or threatening anywhere. I truly believe that Hullaballoo, no matter how versed in policy he is, is a destructive editor and has exacerbated this whole mess with condescending and uncivil comments."

thanks for your patience. I appreciate any help, Swancookie (talk) 14:36, 24 June 2009 (UTC)


 * I didn't read this yet but just wanted to mention I feel something may make sense. Since it's died down focus on just improving articles and we'll piece together if something can be properly addressed. I was less than inspired with their, IMHO, rudeness and was sursprised they didn't simply acknowledge this issue. As far articles that have been deleted? I'd say forget them for now. If you feel they should be revived and there is plenty of solid reliable sources to support them ... we could get them userfied so you could work on them to later launch them. If any of the other articles gets nommed for deletion then feel free to add rescue and others can also look in on the discussion. Don't stress - it will all be sorted out. -- <u style="font-size:14px; font-family: cursive;color:#8000FF">Banj e  <u style="font-size:14px;font-family: Zapfino, sans-serif;color:deeppink">b oi   16:02, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

Thank-you. You have no idea how much I appreciate talking to a patient, rational, human editor about this. :) I'd like to start editing articles again soon. I'm going to start looking for better references, they are out there it will just take time. I just don't want to get into a revert war with Hullaballoo again, as he is relentless and it becomes exhausting after awhile.



I fear until he is reprimanded in some way for his uncivilly towards others he will twists this situation to make it look like he is being harassed and continue aggressively editing any article I edit.

Swancookie (talk) 16:25, 24 June 2009 (UTC)


 * No problem, whenever you feel yourself getting stressed just take a break. Find something you love and write/research on that. -- <u style="font-size:14px; font-family: cursive;color:#8000FF">Banj e  <u style="font-size:14px;font-family: Zapfino, sans-serif;color:deeppink">b oi   16:28, 24 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Notice that User:Swancookie is familiar with various deletion debates that occurred during his/her supposed Wikibreak, another indication of sockpuppetry and a lack of candor (at best). Also note that I nominated only one of those three articles for deletion (Scabtree, where the !voting was unanimous), and was not involved in another (Leveridge), the latter speedied as a recreation of an article deleted after an AFD discussion quite some time ago.  Hullaballoo Wolfowitz (talk) 22:40, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

Umm no, As I stated before I checked wiki but did not edit as I did not have the time. Please stop insinuating I'm a sock or a SPA. I am neither. Notice I said you edited those articles so they could be nominated for deletion, not that you nominated them yourself. Case & pointMiscellany_for_deletion/User:Lenoraclaire/LenoraclaireBio I experimented today. I found two new references for the article Jessicka. Hullaballoo once again didn't even click to see if they were valid and reverted my edits. Please I am asking something to be done here. Please see for yourself and let me know if my references are valid? And what's the deal with not speaking to me directly Hullaballoo. I've come to you in good faith several times but you refuse to even engage me??? How is that civil?

I really need to know how I can report harassment. I have no recourse here. I truly feel like he's breathing down my neck and trying to bully me off of wikipedia. Swancookie (talk) 22:54, 24 June 2009 (UTC)


 * compromise

I'm tired of the revert war. I'm tired of being accused of being a sock or a SPA. I'm tired of hearing Hullaballoo refer to artists and musicians I like as "c list celebrities" and losers and hounding my every edit. I'm going to research and gather some references to improve the article Jessicka. At which point I'm hoping Benjiboi will check my work. Clearly, he is willing to talk to me and tell what I'm doing wrong if anything at all. After that Hullaballoo you can have at the article. Is that fair? It will take me a bit - so in the meantime I'd like to leave the article as is. If you can't do this Hullaballoo then I believe my assumption to be right and that you are only editing this article in order to get to a place for another editor to nominate it for speedy deletion. Benjiboi is this ok with you? Swancookie (talk) 23:05, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Neither Swancookie nor Hullaballoo has posted anything at Talk:Jessicka. If the events at Jessicka are so painful one would assume people would have presented their arguments on Talk. The claim that somebody is a sock or an SPA deserves to go through the system, and I encourage all parties to not throw that type of charge around unless they want to formally pursue it. Meanwhile, article talk pages are good. EdJohnston (talk) 23:23, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

I will post to the articles talk page right now. Thank you. Swancookie (talk) 23:29, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

Image XfD by Hullaballoo Wolfowitz

 * Hi, I have something that is related to this (and that's the only reason I post it here, though I'm sure this is the wrong place, sorry Benjiboi): on the 19 of June Hullaballoo Wolfowitz added an image to Files for deletion, they then removed the image from atleast three articles , and , before any consensus could have been reached, Hullaballoo Wolfowitz claim is that he believes the image does not belong to the uploader because it was used in an article on a website without mention of the uploader (or anyone else) as owning the rights to the image; but I believe that removing the image from all articles could have lead to a claim of it being an Orphaned image, this seems to fit into the behaviour describe by Swancookie. I have stated else where  (to do with removal of content of an article that includes content refering to Jessicka) that I believe Hullaballoo Wolfowitz to be using WP:BLP aswell as other Wikipedia policy as a sheild, to allow themselves to undermine articles, with no attemp to fix the problems, or allow others to do so. Please can someone find a way to settle all of this, so I can go back to quietly removing vandalism snd reverting bad edits from a few select articles.   Doktor  Wilhelm   02:11, 25 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Please post this comment at the image XfD; I agree that the rationale for deletion on the surface is not compelling. Howver I'm not an image speciailist by any means. You may ask user:Durova to have a look. If memory serves me they are pretty good at sorting out relevant image issues. I have seen simialr behaviour from other editors - which I also found to be tenditious so agree that leaving an image until the deletion discussion unfolds is the way to go. Feel free to revert stating "wait until deletion discussion resolves this please". -- <u style="font-size:14px; font-family: cursive;color:#8000FF">Banj e  <u style="font-size:14px;font-family: Zapfino, sans-serif;color:deeppink">b oi   10:03, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

WikiProject LGBT studies Newsletter (June 2009)

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