User talk:Benjiboi/Archive 55

Thanks
Thanks for your participation in my recent RfA. I will do my very best not to betray the confidence you have shown me. If you ever have any questions or suggestions about my conduct as an administrator or as an editor please don't hesitate to contact me. Once again, thanks. ·Maunus· ƛ · 13:24, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Congrats and good luck! -- Banj e  b oi   14:32, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

Barney Frank and JzG
First, I am SO glad you got rid of the JzG template. It will make you look much better.

Second, I know you have been involved in the Barney Frank articles, so I thought you maybe interested in this:


 * http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/08/18/frank.heath.care/index.html


 * While Frank attempted to respond to all questions, he gave up when one woman compared health care proposals favored by Frank and President Obama to policies of Nazi Germany.


 * "When you ask me that question, I'm going to revert to my ethnic heritage and ask you a question: On what planet do you spend most of your time?" Frank asked.


 * "You stand there with a picture of the president defaced to look like Hitler and compare the effort to increase health care to the Nazis," he said, adding such behavior demonstrated the strength of First Amendment guarantees of what he called "contemptible" free speech.


 * "Trying to have a conversation with you would be like trying to argue with a dining room table," Frank said to the woman. "I have no interest in doing it."


 * video:


 * http://current.com/items/90730490_barney-frank-stands-up-to-town-hall-protesters-id-rather-talk-to-a-dining-room-table.htm?ref=nf

I am sure you have already heard about it, but just in case you haven't...Ikip (talk) 17:14, 19 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Lol! Frank is quite brilliant but thank you as I hadn't heard of this. And just FYI, the banner was removed because the bad topic ban was lifted. -- Banj e  b oi   00:55, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

Sorry, I got confused. (Placeholder Pictures)
I can revert my removal of the placeholder pictures myself if you'd like, if you'd like. (The notice on the file's page is a tad confusing, sorry I removed them, I stopped when I realized but got busy before I fixed them and forgot. (Although I'm not fond of them.) occono (talk) 01:26, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
 * No problem, please rollback the others. If the person was alive when photography was widely available then an image is quite likely to exist. I've also put in a request to add Use of these placeholders in neither encouraged nor deprecated. Although many editors object to their appearance they work for the intended purpose. to help ease the confusion. If we're lucky someone will design something that is much better but some folks seem to hate any option. -- Banj e  b oi   01:48, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

Talkback
Irbisgreif (talk) 01:58, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Done. -- Banj e  b oi   02:42, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

Justin Fashanu
I have emailed two local UK newspapers who have images of Fashanu in their web archives to ask if they'll release them to us. As they're of little commercial value now, hopefully they may well agree. Black Kite 02:37, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Not sure they're of little value but appreciate the effort. If they are up on it some action shots of him playing would be lovely. -- Banj e  b oi   02:40, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes, at least one is an action shot. I found I needed to be careful though, especially with the non-sporting press who have a habit of printing articles about him illustrated with his brother John! Black Kite 02:49, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Oy vey! Good luck and thank you for doing that! -- Banj e  b oi   02:42, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

California Proposition 8 (2008)
Hi there, you have been one of a number of regular editors at the above article. I was its Good Article reviewer a few months back. In response to a recent proposal to split the article, I suggested it be edited down to a more manageable size and better readability rather than focussing on the split. I suggested the article was not particularly readable in its current form, and suffered from recentism amongst other things. I have just undertaken an edit attempting to implement my suggestion, in the hope that others might have a look and decide it is now in better shape. I hope you will agree. I am happy to discuss on the talk page obviously. hamiltonstone (talk) 12:54, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm presently managing some drama but will have a look in a bit. -- <u style="font-size:14px; font-family: cursive;color:#8000FF">Banj e  <u style="font-size:14px;font-family: Zapfino, sans-serif;color:deeppink">b oi   14:28, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

RE: Terry Baum
I've moved the article into your userspace. See User:Benjiboi/Terry Baum. - Rjd0060 (talk) 15:15, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Oh dear, yes we did miss the ball on that one. I smell a redo! Cheers! -- <u style="font-size:14px; font-family: cursive;color:#8000FF">Banj e  <u style="font-size:14px;font-family: Zapfino, sans-serif;color:deeppink">b oi   20:01, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

Tom of Finland
needs infobox. -- <u style="font-size:14px; font-family: cursive;color:#8000FF">Banj e <u style="font-size:14px;font-family: Zapfino, sans-serif;color:deeppink">b oi
 * done. -- <u style="font-size:14px; font-family: cursive;color:#8000FF">Banj e  <u style="font-size:14px;font-family: Zapfino, sans-serif;color:deeppink">b oi   14:26, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

Didier Lestrade has a great photo of the man himself here. perhaps he would release it for use here. the link takes you only to the album. the photo is #14 of 21 in the album, and you must login. (edited) badmachine (talk) 11:20, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I can't do the facebook stuff but my hunch is there are some non-free possibilities plus, of course, the foundation itself which is likely to see the value to donating some archival material. If you do contact anyone encourage them to donate freely to Wikicommons so the images can be used worldwide. -- <u style="font-size:14px; font-family: cursive;color:#8000FF">Banj e  <u style="font-size:14px;font-family: Zapfino, sans-serif;color:deeppink">b oi   13:43, 22 August 2009 (UTC)

WP:Article Rescue Squadron motto contest
Hey, I would like to have the newsletter done in 10 days, are you going to have the motto contest section ready by then?

Also I left a recruitment section ready for you. Ikip (talk) 04:31, 20 August 2009 (UTC)


 * My mind is full and my angst a bit heavy but I think I can do it and zhush the whole process a bit. -- <u style="font-size:14px; font-family: cursive;color:#8000FF">Banj e  <u style="font-size:14px;font-family: Zapfino, sans-serif;color:deeppink">b oi   10:32, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Pretty deep response, but heh, I am happy to know that :) Ikip (talk) 12:17, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Still interested, otherwise we can save this for newsletter 2. Ikip (talk) 18:47, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Nudge me if we get down to 2-3 days pre-deadline. -- <u style="font-size:14px; font-family: cursive;color:#8000FF">Banj e  <u style="font-size:14px;font-family: Zapfino, sans-serif;color:deeppink">b oi   13:44, 22 August 2009 (UTC)

rescue contest
The Core Contest - possible model. -- <u style="font-size:14px; font-family: cursive;color:#8000FF">Banj e <u style="font-size:14px;font-family: Zapfino, sans-serif;color:deeppink">b oi   23:34, 22 August 2009 (UTC)

Find
I notice that the find tag is now on all afds, where is the conversation located so I can add it to the newsletter? Ikip (talk) 23:15, 22 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Found it: Wikipedia_talk:Articles_for_deletion Ikip (talk) 23:19, 22 August 2009 (UTC)

WP:LGBT
Hey, I was just wondering why I haven't got a news letter in a while. User talk:Allstarecho said you are the one working on them? He said he got one last month, but I never did.  C T J F 8 3 Talk 18:01, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Last one was at the end of June. so I imagine we should do one in a few weeks. I'll post a note at WT:LGBT when we go into production for submissions. -- <u style="font-size:14px; font-family: cursive;color:#8000FF">Banj e  <u style="font-size:14px;font-family: Zapfino, sans-serif;color:deeppink">b oi   03:25, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Ok, thank you, I enjoy reading them.  C T J F 8 3 Talk 03:56, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

Orphaned non-free image (File:The Suburbs Title card S2.jpg)
 Thanks for uploading File:The Suburbs Title card S2.jpg. The image description page currently specifies that the image is non-free and may only be used on Wikipedia under a claim of fair use. However, the image is currently orphaned, meaning that it is not used in any articles on Wikipedia. If the image was previously in an article, please go to the article and see why it was removed. You may add it back if you think that that will be useful. However, please note that images for which a replacement could be created are not acceptable for use on Wikipedia (see our policy for non-free media).

If you have uploaded other unlicensed media, please check whether they're used in any articles or not. You can find a list of "file" pages you have edited by clicking on the "my contributions" link (it is located at the very top of any Wikipedia page when you are logged in), and then selecting "File" from the dropdown box. Note that any non-free images not used in any articles will be deleted after seven days, as described on criteria for speedy deletion. Thank you. FileBot (talk) 05:53, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Let it die if they don't need it. -- <u style="font-size:14px; font-family: cursive;color:#8000FF">Banj e  <u style="font-size:14px;font-family: Zapfino, sans-serif;color:deeppink">b oi   06:00, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

Sorry
Sorry, I have sent it to about half the people. I didn't think you still wanted to do this. I wasn't getting much response, so I waited for Michael to give me an interview, and Fey to write the feature article, and I sent it. Did you see what I wrote on the ARS talk page? Wikipedia_talk:Article_Rescue_Squadron also User_talk:A_Nobody

I will wait to send it to the rest of the ARS members, (I left off at User:Unionhawk found here: User:Ikip/93

You can start editing the page WikiProject Article Rescue Squadron/Newsletter/20090901 right now. I will add a special link to what you want to do right now, which will show up on the 100+ editors talk pages.

I hope this remedies your concern, I simply didn't get much of a response. Ikip (talk) 11:11, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Here is the new contest page I just created: Contests
 * Remember, you can change and edit everything, because it is a template, a link to another page, nothing I sent out is permanent. Ikip (talk) 11:15, 24 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Arg, I don't have time now - this second, or even for a day or two. I was starting to draft material and had a list of stuff I thought show go in. I was hoping to do all that Wednesday/Thursday, get feedback and tweak. And, of course, use a bot to deliver. I really don't have time now to fix anything and by the time I do I feel it will be too late. I know you mean well but ... -- <u style="font-size:14px; font-family: cursive;color:#8000FF">Banj e  <u style="font-size:14px;font-family: Zapfino, sans-serif;color:deeppink">b oi   11:21, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Shit, I just saw your post:
 * You can replace the page with "coming soon" which will show up on all people's pages, if you wish, please replace the newsletter page WikiProject Article Rescue Squadron/Newsletter/20090901 with

Coming Soon

Due to last minute improvements, the newsletter will be postponed for a couple of days.

Please keep this template here for and watch for the newsletter to appear.
 * Actually doing it this way may spark more interest than how it is now.
 * I am planning on making this monthly, so if you don't want to change the page, you can add your information in the October issue. Ikip (talk) 11:25, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

I don't think we should change what has already been sent out. I suggest complete the mailing and I'll shelve everything for now. -- <u style="font-size:14px; font-family: cursive;color:#8000FF">Banj e <u style="font-size:14px;font-family: Zapfino, sans-serif;color:deeppink">b oi   08:40, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

Paid editing FYI
See here. pablo <sub style="background-color: #ffc; color: #c30;">hablo. <sup style="font-variant: small-caps;">forgot to sign this earlier, my apologies
 * that is Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents Ikip (talk) 15:44, 24 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Thank you for the heads up. -- <u style="font-size:14px; font-family: cursive;color:#8000FF">Banj e  <u style="font-size:14px;font-family: Zapfino, sans-serif;color:deeppink">b oi   03:57, 25 August 2009 (UTC)


 * You're welcome. pablo <sub style="background-color: #ffc; color: #c30;">hablo. 08:14, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

Pzmrd
I notified Ikip that Pzmrd is indef'd and he said he will take him off the mailing lists. Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots 15:33, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I did it already, thank you for the heads up! -- <u style="font-size:14px; font-family: cursive;color:#8000FF">Banj e  <u style="font-size:14px;font-family: Zapfino, sans-serif;color:deeppink">b oi   03:52, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

Culture
In reference to your question "Why is it that, as a culture, we are more comfortable seeing two men holding guns than holding hands?" I can tell you at least one thing: When one of the 1960s radicals (I think it was H. Rap Brown) was criticized for advocating or at least not disowning violence, he said, "Violence is as American as apple pie." Another quote I saw somewhere, I don't know by whom, said this about the Star Trek universe: "The Federation is who we would like to be. The Klingons are who we really are." Or something like that. Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots 15:36, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Captain my captain! Yes, Star Trek is way wise beyond our years! -- <u style="font-size:14px; font-family: cursive;color:#8000FF">Banj e  <u style="font-size:14px;font-family: Zapfino, sans-serif;color:deeppink">b oi   03:53, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

October newsletter
WikiProject_Article_Rescue_Squadron/Newsletter/20091001/Contest knock yourself out. This time, lets keep the conversation about the newsletter on the ARS talk page, so I won't miss anything. My apologies again. Ikip (talk) 01:58, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

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Talk:Conversion therapy
Clean-up archives. -- <u style="font-size:14px; font-family: cursive;color:#8000FF">Banj e <u style="font-size:14px;font-family: Zapfino, sans-serif;color:deeppink">b oi
 * done. -- <u style="font-size:14px; font-family: cursive;color:#8000FF">Banj e  <u style="font-size:14px;font-family: Zapfino, sans-serif;color:deeppink">b oi   10:47, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

Karnal Knowledge

 * Karnal couples


 * Google search apparently he's been writing on gay porn for 30 years. If you need a ref for someone he likely has it. -- <u style="font-size:14px; font-family: cursive;color:#8000FF">Banj e  <u style="font-size:14px;font-family: Zapfino, sans-serif;color:deeppink">b oi   10:48, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

rush DYK on Rainbow Lounge raid
tick tick. -- <u style="font-size:14px; font-family: cursive;color:#8000FF">Banj e <u style="font-size:14px;font-family: Zapfino, sans-serif;color:deeppink">b oi


 * 
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 * intracerebral hemorraghing -- <u style="font-size:14px; font-family: cursive;color:#8000FF">Banj e  <u style="font-size:14px;font-family: Zapfino, sans-serif;color:deeppink">b oi   10:51, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

Lesbian kiss episode
DYK if Otto4711 isn't. -- <u style="font-size:14px; font-family: cursive;color:#8000FF">Banj e  <u style="font-size:14px;font-family: Zapfino, sans-serif;color:deeppink">b oi   10:51, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

Jesse Helms
New round of degrading article afoot. -- <u style="font-size:14px; font-family: cursive;color:#8000FF">Banj e <u style="font-size:14px;font-family: Zapfino, sans-serif;color:deeppink">b oi   10:51, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

Ordination of homosexuals
get moved back if no one else does. -- <u style="font-size:14px; font-family: cursive;color:#8000FF">Banj e <u style="font-size:14px;font-family: Zapfino, sans-serif;color:deeppink">b oi   10:53, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

Template talk:IIUS
Look to compiling this list, rounding out? from cat and reworking, formatting in template. -- <u style="font-size:14px; font-family: cursive;color:#8000FF">Banj e <u style="font-size:14px;font-family: Zapfino, sans-serif;color:deeppink">b oi   10:54, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

Paid editing
re-draft asap. -- <u style="font-size:14px; font-family: cursive;color:#8000FF">Banj e <u style="font-size:14px;font-family: Zapfino, sans-serif;color:deeppink">b oi   10:54, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

WP:ANI
I've gone ahead and asked for community support of a one edit per day rule for you and I on the Wikipedia talk:Paid editing. I feel our edits have effectively excluded other editors from contributing and I don't think the two of us are getting anywhere. I have serious issues with the way you have been editing, although I am more inclined to try this limited editing approach rather than a more heavy-handed approach. ANI link. --TeaDrinker (talk) 18:33, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Your proposal was for 1RR on the talkpage which is counter to dialg which is what we are suppose to do. That the threads have become tedious is unfortunate but I feel are a part of the process. I have yet been able to actually overhaul that page and constructive dialog is effectively stifled but I'm not giving up. -- <u style="font-size:14px; font-family: cursive;color:#8000FF">Banj e  <u style="font-size:14px;font-family: Zapfino, sans-serif;color:deeppink">b oi   03:56, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Per Will's note that I had selected the wrong forum for my complaint, I have moved the issue to Requests for comment/Benjiboi, and per the requirements of the forum, added appropriate diffs. Apologies for the confusion.  --TeaDrinker (talk) 05:49, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

Thanks
..and noted. -  <i style="position:absolute;z-index:-1;bottom:0;width:7.4em;height:8px;background:#eee;"> </i>  allstar ▼ echo     20:35, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
 * You're very welcome, I'm not sure how to gracefully step out of the whole mess but if you're up for it you may try apologizing ala - I realize now that although my interest was to bring attention to an abusive user unfortunately I have been a part of the problem. I will work to avoid them and hope those who have advocated for the compromises in allowing the situation to continue will take responsibility for watching the users conduct and edits. At some point the issue became about you and that detracted from the real problems. -- <u style="font-size:14px; font-family: cursive;color:#8000FF">Banj e  <u style="font-size:14px;font-family: Zapfino, sans-serif;color:deeppink">b oi   21:53, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

Regarding your recent moves
I noticed you just spent an hour moving various articles with pornography actors. Can you direct me to where the discussion to do this took place? Thanks. Erzsébet Báthory(talk 21:37, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Hi, the most relevant guideline is WP:QUALIFIER, the thread discussing these particular moves is at Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents. -- <u style="font-size:14px; font-family: cursive;color:#8000FF">Banj e  <u style="font-size:14px;font-family: Zapfino, sans-serif;color:deeppink">b oi   21:45, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

Would you mind giving me some short-term mentorship?
I've prodded Faulconer Legion for the reasons provided. I expect to take this to AfD if the prod notice is removed, and though I don't see any major page supporters, I've notified the page creator and primary single contributor (measured by edits). Do you mind looking over my shoulder? I've been around for four years, and often participated in deletion process, but have never prodded or nominated a page for deletion before. I didn't just randomly choose to practice today, but stumbled on the article through a new link to a watched page. As an history-cluster editor, I'm concerned about the blending of real and imagined detail in a wikipedia article, so I'm sensitive to derivative stuff like the subject page. If you choose to help, please provide feedback here in this thread on your talk page. Unless I do something very stupid, please avoid getting directly involved. Thanks one way or the other! BusterD (talk) 23:45, 25 August 2009 (UTC)


 * If I were you, on Faulconer Legion, I would upmerge to the parent article which is quite short. Then redirect the page there. In this way we keep the content which seems reasonable and it allows the contributors to work on improving the area of their interest. In the process you can help unbleed a bit, including "These events are aligned with some actual history" or something that makes sense. I'm happy to offer any advice, anytime. -- <u style="font-size:14px; font-family: cursive;color:#8000FF">Banj e  <u style="font-size:14px;font-family: Zapfino, sans-serif;color:deeppink">b oi   09:21, 26 August 2009 (UTC)


 * I may eventually do exactly as you suggest; I'd considered a merge tag first. Let's see if somebody really cares before I take any action. BusterD (talk) 11:17, 26 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Do you think there is nothing there that should be saved, ergo deleting it is the best route? Because that's what a prod will do. -- <u style="font-size:14px; font-family: cursive;color:#8000FF">Banj e  <u style="font-size:14px;font-family: Zapfino, sans-serif;color:deeppink">b oi   23:10, 26 August 2009 (UTC)


 * I'm not a Bernard Cornwell fan, but I can see how this information has usefulness to someone who might have more interest than myself. As I said, my primary concern is the blurring of lines between actual people and fictional counterparts who happen to share partial biographies. I believe that your question gets right at it; it would be a shame to waste perfectly good work when a merge would provide better options, and perhaps improve the Chronicles page (a monumental good thing). Since I applied the prod tag myself, should I remove it, then apply the merge tag before giving the process another brief chance to draw eyes? BusterD (talk) 23:48, 26 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Since you have an idea of the material and the inherent problems with some of it I would copy the entire to-be-deleted page and work at upmerging into the main article. In this way you are showing what is still encyclopedic and keeping it as well as cleaning it up and putting it into context. If you feel you've fairly kept everything that should be and the expanded parent article seems fine then I would remove the prod and redirect. See if you can do the merge itself, neither article is long so it should go smooth enough. -- <u style="font-size:14px; font-family: cursive;color:#8000FF">Banj e  <u style="font-size:14px;font-family: Zapfino, sans-serif;color:deeppink">b oi   23:56, 26 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Done. BusterD (talk) 11:18, 27 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Excellent job! -- <u style="font-size:14px; font-family: cursive;color:#8000FF">Banj e  <u style="font-size:14px;font-family: Zapfino, sans-serif;color:deeppink">b oi   14:47, 27 August 2009 (UTC)