User talk:Benlisquare/Archive 3

9 Dotted line
Recently you continuously deleted information added to the "9 dotted line" thread despite the the information is relevant and properly quoted. You also sent threaten messages to other editors for sanction because they revert your deletions. Please note that Wiki is an open community, anyone "assumes" himself to "own" the information here, is bias or unwilling to cooperate with others should be subjected to sanction and ban from contributing to the community. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Love4eveverymuch (talk • contribs) 12:24, 20 June 2011 (UTC)

Second Sino-Japanese War
You say there was a discussion a few months back that excluded the USA and Soviet Union. Could you please give me a link to that discussion? Rin tin tin 1996 (talk) 20:09, 24 March 2010 (UTC)

H-6/H-6K merger
I sandbox'd my proposed merger of these pages for comment. - The Bushranger (talk) 23:17, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

你好
你应该不是中国人吧，怎么中文有点怪怪的. 你还挺喜欢越南人的样子，我看澳洲很多越南人吧？大概都是越南难民吧，没办法，谁叫他们国家落后又肮脏.

干吗在东亚网页上更改越南文化部分，下次别在酱咯 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 116.199.112.113 (talk) 06:52, 12 April 2010


 * 哈哈，二逼，老子他妈比你还因该算是中国人，你装什么鸟啊？没出息的粪粪，现在连tianya.cn都不接受你. --  李博杰   | —Talk contribs email 08:01, 12 April 2010 (UTC)

Whatever, block me all you want but it won't change anything. If you're Vietnamese, nothing can make you Chinese. It's just Wikipedia, do losers like you equate it to the whole world? Try blocking me from your shitass country Australia if you can! Wait, I'm not sure if I want to go there in the first place.. Anyway, I've heard only nerds go on Tianya, I don't even KNOW anyone who does. Speaking of trolls, YOU'RE the real troll. Have fun playing out your sad wannabe life! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.43.21.177 (talk) 21:52, 10 May 2010 (UTC)

LOL,你的IP是广东来的，我因该笑你才对，南方老. 学会普通话了吗，粤粤同学？冰狗啊，嗨母嗨啊？小样，想跟爷比，是吗？ 你知道吗，你这人很弱质. 啰嗦那么多，何必呢？你不相信俺是天朝之子那就没办法了，我也管不了那么多，老子还要上大学呢，将来有好日子过，没那么多闲功夫陪你聊. 摆脱，中国有1.3 Billion，不可能所有人都是和你一样长得那么~漂亮~，小姐. 不是所有人和你一样咪咪小眼睛，南方佬. 章子怡长得不像你，那她就是越南人了吗？或者韩国人？ 老子比你长得帅就是越南人？我喷，笑死人. 你因该算比较像越南人-正好广东是挨着越南. 你好像认为你是啥标准中国人；以为你是谁啊？什么玩意儿？如果真的这样，中国人就没有好看的了，我国灭亡，俺晕死. 俺看出来了，你这人很奸. 你因该是为日本人干活，替他们喊~哑咩爹~哑咩爹~，我没说错吧？他妈的，当年你还是液体的时候，你老爸因该把你打在墙上，看看有了你世界变得多莫悲惨. With love, --  李博杰   | —Talk contribs email 07:43, 11 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Oh, 我忘记了，你是南方佬，对普通话不是很首席，我因该用粤粤语和你讲，你就会跟明白一些. 屌你老母，仆街. 我祝你咸家鏟！ --   李博杰   | —Talk contribs email 07:52, 11 May 2010 (UTC)


 * Lol, I thoroughly enjoy this "playground fight" you two were in, hahahah :D (this comment is not meant to be a put-down or anything, just an LOL) Children of the dragon (talk) 01:09, 16 August 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Jin Feibao
The DYK project (nominate) 00:03, 2 May 2011 (UTC)

Japanese people in China
Hello Benlisquare, I hope you are well.

I noticed that you added a source to the page Japanese people in China giving the Japanese government's estimate of 127,000 or so Japanese citizens in China. I would like to incorporate the results of China's 2010 census into the article, which gives a much lower figure of 66,159 Japanese nationals in mainland China (see here). I assume that the discrepancy is because the Japanese government is counting Japanese citizens in Hong Kong, Macao and Taiwan as well as on the Mainland, while the census is mainland-only. However, because I do not read Japanese, I cannot confirm this. Could you look at this source again and see if that is the case? If so, you can add the census as a source yourself, or I can do it. Thanks!--Danaman5 (talk) 16:11, 3 May 2011 (UTC)

P.S. Since you probably get a lot of visits to this page from people in mainland China, I thought I would let you know: something on this talk page is triggering the Great Firewall of China. You might want to look through and delete whatever it is.--Danaman5 (talk) 16:14, 3 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the heads up, I'll give it a look when I have the time. --  李博杰   | —Talk contribs email 16:36, 3 May 2011 (UTC)


 * The October 2009 report by the Japanese Ministry of Foreign Affairs lists on page 8 of this document that the number of Japanese residents in the "People's Republic of China" is 127,282. The Japanese government considers "People's Republic of China" as Mainland China, Hong Kong and Macau, but not Taiwan (I don't think), which it officially considers as part of the "Republic of China" (though the document in question does not state this, Japan's foreign policy with Taiwan has been recorded in other publications). Page 64 specifically lists "香港" (Hong Kong) as a city of "中華人民共和国" (the PRC), and page 18 shows the Hong Kong figure to be 21,210. However, this particular document does not refer directly to the "ROC" - it lists Taipei, for example, as "台北（台湾）" (Taipei (Taiwan)), with a figure of 11,458 on page 18. --  李博杰   | —Talk contribs email 17:26, 3 May 2011 (UTC)

This talk page is no longer being blocked in mainland China, at least not for me, so it looks like you found the right keywords.--Danaman5 (talk) 02:51, 4 May 2011 (UTC)


 * Sorry for butting in. But I am curious why the discrepancy of the figure between Chinese census and Japanese exists. If anyone knows, please let me know. ―― Phoenix7777 (talk) 12:03, 4 May 2011 (UTC)

Well, this is WP:OR hell, so this can definitely cannot be put into the article, but I have a handful of theories that might explain: Well, that was a good 3 minute job, and I'm out of ideas. Anyone else think of any possibilities? --  李博杰   | —Talk contribs email 12:32, 4 May 2011 (UTC)
 * 1) The Japanese MoFA includes Taiwan's figures within that of PRC. This is likely (in regards to explaining the figures), although I've no idea why the MoFA would sell out their ROC friends.
 * 2) The 2010 Chinese Census may have excluded certain categories of foreign national residents. Are we able to find out what the Japan MoFA and the PRC National Bureau of Statistics classifies "foreign nationals residing in X" as? The two might have differing definitions. Visa status (e.g. permanent resident)? Length of time stayed? Migration certificates? Perhaps one category of resident the MoFA classes as "resident", but the PRC NBoS does not. Until exact details are known, this is hard to explain.
 * 3) Either the mainland figures, or the Hong Kong figures, from either of the two sources, is over- or underrepresented. That is, there is either too few Hong Kong residents reported by the MoFA, or too few Mainland residents reported by the NBoS. Likelihood of this isn't as big though, as nothing can explain why this might be the case.
 * 4) Either the Japan MoFA or PRC NBoS, one or the other, didn't do a good job at keeping the figures. Whilst I don't think the likelihood of this is great either (I for one would assume good faith that both governments aren't that terrible at preventing mistakes), it can explain how there is a large discrepancy in numbers. Neither of the two make really far-fetched estimates - the 2010 Census should be based on a headcount, and the MoFA figure should take into account the number of visas filed, passports recorded to be overseas, etc.
 * 5) 2010 may have been a bad year for travel and settling in China, and 2009 might have been a better year. This might be due to financial reasons, social reasons, or even the flavour of the year.
 * 6) Unease of public opinion after the 2010 Senkaku herpaderp and the protests and sentiments that come afterwards, discouraging travel, leading to a reduction of resident numbers.
 * 7) There is a footnote in either the 2010 Census report, or the MoFA report, that we have missed.
 * Also, what is the latest foreign resident report by the Japanese MoFA? Is there a 2010 or 2011 report, by any chance, with more recent information? (2010 will be the most recent for China, since the census only occurs every 10 years). --  李博杰   | —Talk contribs email 12:49, 4 May 2011 (UTC)
 * The discrepancy might be related to differences in time of stay. The note on the 2010 census report that I linked to above reads:


 * Note: Referring to population of residents from Hong Kong, Macao, Taiwan and foreigners who had stayed, by the reference time of the census, for more than 3 months, or planned to stay for more than 3 months in the territory of China, excluding residents from Hong Kong, Macao, Taiwan and foreigners who came to China for a short stay such as business trip or tourism. “Territory” here refers to the territory of customs, thus not including Hong Kong, Macao and Taiwan.


 * So maybe China is counted only long term residents, and Japan is counting every vacationer who went over for a week?--Danaman5 (talk) 13:31, 4 May 2011 (UTC)


 * It is the same definition as the Japanese stats. See page 3, (2) 長期滞在者 ―― Phoenix7777 (talk) 23:53, 4 May 2011 (UTC)

I have no difficulty viewing your userpage here in Nanjing, so it looks like there are no keywords that are triggering the Great Firewall.--Danaman5 (talk) 06:18, 28 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks for that. --  李博杰   | —Talk contribs email 08:00, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

Caonima
Ben, I must admit to being slightly tickled by this edit. The subject is a way of lampooning the CPC and their censorship, after all. SO I think we can give way to a little humour. Remember we had this infobox in an earlier guise of the article. ;-) -- Ohconfucius ¡digame! 02:08, 6 May 2011 (UTC)
 * But I thought Wikipedia was srs buznses... ;_; --  李博杰   | —Talk contribs email 03:58, 6 May 2011 (UTC)

chiang wei-kuo
nothing in english has been published exclusively on him, you have to look at these chinese langauge books.ΔΥΝΓΑΝΕ (talk) 19:04, 15 May 2011 (UTC)

Dog meat
You seem like a well informed and open minded and impartial person. There are these individuals who are trying to control what is directly accessible in the Dog meat article, by deleting my logical and relevant linking of the Horse meat article in its See Also section. I can understand their need to maintain a certain level of white pride and Asian cultural-secessionism by disassociating certain European(and their close-ally/favorite Asian) taboo meat cultures/nationsto make an outright disconnect in these taboo meat articles relative to dog meat, which most likely have their largest proportion of consumers in such places as China, Korea and Vietnam: whereas in cat and horse meat consumption, the partiality toward the eastern/central Asians to that of non-Asians is far less, and thus the "Wikipedia controllers" for white pride(and pride of their closest allies and "friendlies"), work to make such edits. But this really has nothing to do with proper presentation of white people's eating habits or how the eating habits of western democracy's closest ally nations should be seen. The inclusion of horse meat in the See Also section should constitute a consistent and simple American(not necessarily objective) reader-observation of relevant facts and comparative study to the culture of eating these animals to which American and other "democratized" people should objectively examine without feeling humiliated, like how the editors and Dog meat article-controllers here are doing here by omitting direct reader-access to these relevant articles for comparative examination. Of course, as difficult as it may be for them to accept, the link to horse meat and other relevant "taboo meats" will be included in the See Also section. 99.130.8.150 (talk) 03:17, 16 May 2011 (UTC)

Images
Hi! Will you please check this user's edits? The user replaced the images with an image s/he uploaded on an article at ja WP. . I undid the user's edit on the en article. Please check other edits and see if they are appropriate. And this one's edits too. See also this. Thank you. Oda Mari (talk) 08:27, 16 May 2011 (UTC)
 * I don't see why they should remove a whole plethora of other images, and only allow one. I personally would also prefer photographs of an individual, rather than a painted artwork. I for one would revert the edit. --  李博杰   | —Talk contribs email 11:36, 16 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Sorry if my message is confusing. I meant I wanted you to compare their image changes at here, en WP like these ( and ) and see if the changes are appropriate as a Chinese expert. I personally think the previous selection is better but not so sure. So I asked you to see their edits at en WP. As for ja WP, I rarely edit there, and asked an admin there via mail. Oda Mari (talk) 13:40, 16 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Nothing there seems to be immediately problematic from what I've skimmed through. I've reapplied an image that was removed without proper justification (user seems to prefer one artwork over another, however this kind of edit isn't justified), but that's about it. There's nothing that seems controversial in regards to article contents and information on first glance. --  李博杰   | —Talk contribs email 14:01, 16 May 2011 (UTC)
 * 謝謝. I'm relieved. Happy editing! Oda Mari (talk) 14:44, 16 May 2011 (UTC)

arilang1234
I'm afraid Arilang1234 might be having another go at his twisted POV pushing on the boxer rebellion article.ΔΥΝΓΑΝΕ (talk) 21:47, 18 May 2011 (UTC)

can you obtain links of all the times when Arilang1234 accused people of pushing "chinese communist propaganda", and accusing them of being 50 cents?ΔΥΝΓΑΝΕ (talk) 22:27, 21 May 2011 (UTC)

chinese langauge and arilang1234
actually you got it backward, Arilang1234 was busy claiming the inferiority of the chinese language-

[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Arilang1234#Chinese_Language Funny though, I used to think the romanization of Chinese language is bad, Pinyin is bad, the burning of old Chinese books during Cultural Revolution was bad. But ever since I read the articles by Hashimoto Mantaro and others, I sort of beginning to think otherwise. Maybe the Pinyin was a good start, though it has massive problems. Maybe the burning of books was good for the Chinese in the long run. Maybe the Sinograph would be abandoned one day, when alphabets are used instead. Maybe the anti-Confucius thing was good. But no matter what, the Communism had brought endless miseries to China, that is for sure. Arilang talk 00:09, 23 March 2010 (UTC)]

ΔΥΝΓΑΝΕ (talk) 19:10, 22 May 2011 (UTC)

Vandalism
I'm working at the moment. I left a brief message for you on my talkpage. Regards. Denisarona (talk) 15:14, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

Articles for deletion/Jonathan Stephen
I noticed on your userpage that you have the template "ko-1". Would you take a look at the Korean-language sources provided at Articles for deletion/Jonathan Stephen and see if they are neutral reliable sources? Any help you can provide will be deeply appreciated. Thanks, Cunard (talk) 18:02, 27 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Replied on yours. --  李博杰   | —Talk contribs email 04:59, 28 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your very helpful review of the sources. None of these partisan sources seem reliable. I have copied your commentary to Articles for deletion/Jonathan Stephen to allow the closing admin to see your analysis. Best, Cunard (talk) 23:02, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

Hi
Please have a look: Qing Dynasty Royal Decree of declaration of war against foreign powers‎ and give some suggestions on how to improve it. Thanks.  Arilang  talk  11:39, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

canvassing and inflamation
he appears to be intent on inflaming the situation, conducting WP:CANVASS and harping on about a closed ANI, not even over a dispute which was about edits to an article at all, rather, as you know, it was about mudslinging on the talk page, presenting his own POV to influence other users/admins to obtain a certain goal, in violation of the canvass policy.


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This was 3 days after I took a break from editing, it appears that he wants to pour gasoline on the fire. This doesn't quite appear to be Harassment yet, but he seems intent on attempting to drive me out of wikipedia, and turning this into a personal dispute rather than intending on enforcing policy.

He asked another user to go to WP:Arbitration, I think he basically wants to kick me out of wikipedia.

Canvass says- "When notifying other editors of discussions, keep the number of notifications small, keep the message text neutral, and don't preselect recipients according to their established opinions."

the messages posted on the talkpages don't appear to follow that, especially the "keep the message text neutral"

I can think of four guidelines which this is about-

Witchhunt Wikipedia is not about winning The Last Word Just drop it

thus he should be barred from editing, to stop him from poisoning this encyclopedic building project...

thus he should be barred from editing, to stop him from poisoning this encyclopedic building project...

he should be given a indefinite ban... ΔΥΝΓΑΝΕ (talk) 18:42, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

informed of interaction ban
we've been advised now to stop interacting and to stop prolonging the dispute, i guess we'll just wait and see if any further inflamation comes up, if it doesn't, this dispute is over.ΔΥΝΓΑΝΕ (talk) 00:36, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

Heaven Worship
the second paragraph at Heaven worship is causing my BS meter to register 110%.

The third paragraph I actually know its true since I read several sources about it. The second paragraph just screams at historical revisionism aimed at asserting the ancient Chinese were pseudo christians.ΔΥΝΓΑΝΕ (talk) 21:58, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

Hi again
Please have a look:Qing Dynasty Royal Decree on events leading to the signing of Boxer Protocol and your comment is highly appreciated.  Arilang  talk  04:03, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

Talkback
&mdash; HXL's Roundtable  and  Record  02:28, 3 June 2011 (UTC)

Noticed your talkback note - however no comment. Maybe the extended language codes would help such as zha_hans (Zhuang written using simplified Chinese characters) and zha_hant (Zhuang written using tradition Chanise characters. Johnkn63 (talk) 06:12, 25 November 2011 (UTC)

Re: Douglas et cetera

 * The following archived discussion is now closed. Please do not modify it. No further edits should be made to this section. Additional comments will be swiftly reverted, do not restore removed comments. 

I am afraid it is the other way round - 'Macao' is English and 'Macau' is Portuguese. E.g. on the cover of a Macao SAR passport - the full name of the Macao SAR is written as 'Região Administrativa Especial de Macau' in Portuguese and 'Macao Special Administrative Region' in English. 'Macao' is the English name and 'Macau' is the Portuguese name - this is recognised by Macao and its sovereign state.

However, both are acceptable in English. It is just like using 'Munich' or 'München'. I am not trying to say that one of us is right and the other is wrong, I just want to draw your attention to the origin of 'Macao' and 'Macau'.

Douglas the Comeback Kid (talk) 11:05, 3 June 2011 (UTC)

You have claimed that Macao was under the 'jurisdiction' of the People's Republic of China. I guess you are talking about 'sovereignty'. Macao is under the sovereignty of the People's Republic of China by definition, but it is not within the latter's jurisdiction. Macao has its own laws different from Hong Kong's and the People's Republic of China's.

A place being under the sovereignty of a country does not necessarily mean that it is under the jurisdiction of that country. E.g. Gibraltar is under the sovereignty of the UK, but not the jurisdiction of the UK.

Douglas the Comeback Kid (talk) 11:18, 3 June 2011 (UTC)
 * That doesn't justify removing every instance of "X, China" and replacing it with "X". Your edits implied that Macau was a country of its own - note how you placed Macau within the "nation" parameter every time there was an infobox. This is unacceptable and a POV violation. As for your first point, "jurisdiction" and "sovereignty" are fluid words. Say Macau one day is invaded by the Palauan Red Army. Who comes to the rescue? The People's Liberation Army or the Macau Self-Defense Forces? What do Macanese sing as a national anthem? Sure, HK and Macau both have relative degrees of self-autonomy; however they are still de jure territories of the PRC, and of China. They are not part of mainland China, however mainland China does not equate to either of those two terms. Focusing on the three definitions:


 * China: People's Republic of China, Republic of China
 * Republic of China: Taiwan, Penghu, Kinmen, Matsu, Pratas, Taiping Island
 * People's Republic of China: mainland China, 🇭🇰Hong Kong SAR, 🇲🇴Macau SAR
 * Mainland China: 22 Provinces, 5 Autonomous regions, 4 Municipalities
 * This is the standard form of distinguishment between the various "Chinas". Note how Macau is still PRC, despite that it is not part of the mainland. You are still confusing mainland China with the PRC - HK's laws differ to that of the mainland area, as guaranteed by the Basic Law of Hong Kong. That does not make it a separate country, so that everytime there is an infobox, you write "Hong Kong" for the country and "Victoria" for the city. Hong Kong still remains as a de jure city of the PRC. --  李博杰   | —Talk contribs email 11:26, 3 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Hong Kong still remains as a de jure city of the PRC. - This is wrong indeed. The administrative division hierarchy provided by Article 30 of the 1982 Constitution does not apply in any special administrative region. HK is in no way defined, officially nor statutorily (or your term de jure), as a city of the People's Republic. 218.250.143.16 (talk) 21:42, 5 June 2011 (UTC)
 * With all due respect, the 1982 constitution was formulated how many years before 1997? In which case, you should be referring to the Basic Law, and not the constitution. What you have said makes just as much logic as citing Roman Law to discuss the legality of Hitler's leadership in Germany. Also, a word of warning to Douglas - if I even get the slightest feeling that you are either forum shopping, canvassing off-wiki or meatpuppeting, I won't hesitate to immediately take you to ANI; in many cases they are blockable offenses. May this be a clear warning to you. --  李博杰   | —Talk contribs email 04:56, 6 June 2011 (UTC)


 * With all due respect, your remarks revealed and highlighted your level of understanding of the PRC and its constitution. The 1982 Constitution isn't "Roman law". It has been amended a number of times and is still in force. And Article 31 was tailormade for the offer to the ROC, and for the then ongoing Sino-British dialogues over the sovereignty of HK. 218.250.143.16 (talk) 05:30, 6 June 2011 (UTC)
 * You were the one who referred to the 1982 Constitution. Any other person would have said "2004 Revision of the PRC Constitution". I am subjective, not objective; I don't like spend time daydreaming about what people might have wanted to say, I just read what I see. The clarity of your words is your issue and not mine. --  李博杰   | —Talk contribs email 05:41, 6 June 2011 (UTC)
 * This again highlighted your level of understanding of the PRC. There are several constitutions since the PRC was established in 1949. The current one is the forth one, replacing the older ones. These aren't merely amendments, but new constitutions. The Article 31 that we've talking about has been in place since the current constitution, aka 1982 Constitution, was first promulgated. It has never been amended. 218.250.143.16 (talk) 06:20, 6 June 2011 (UTC)
 *  > There are several constitutions since the PRC was established in 1949 No shit.  > It has never been amended Normal people would still refer to the constitution by the year of modification. It was revised in 2004. Again, playing with semantics doesn't prove you to be any smarter - it's like the kid in 4th grade who fixes your spelling - it's a pain in the ass. You're not helping with anything by being a smartass. Also, don't even reply; until you can prove to act a bit more mature, you can stay off this very page. Before you say "lol I'm 36 years old and have a degree in rocketro-financiatics" like lots of people have done in the past, I don't care about your current biological state; if you give me the impression of underage behaviour, that will be how I will percieve you to be. --  李博杰   | —Talk contribs email 06:56, 6 June 2011 (UTC)

You have missed my point, Benlisquare. I have not denied that Hong Kong and Macao are under Chinese sovereignty. And I was not trying to 'justify replacing 'X, China' with 'X'' neither.

Hong Kong and Macao are Chinese territories by definition, but it is acceptable to treat them as territorial entities which they are; that does not mean recognising them as independent countries. For example, putting British Virgin Islands in the field of 'country' has laways been a common practice and it does not imply that the British Virgin Islands is an independent country from the UK. Hong Kong and Macao has always been treated as territorial entities and they are always referred to as simply 'Hong Kong' and 'Macao' respectively. 'Hong Kong, China' and 'Macao, China' are only names used when the 2 territories are participating in international sports events or conventions. 'Hong Kong' and 'Macao' is already adequate, there is no need to add ', China' after it. It is over the top. Also, there are always links for 'Hong Kong' and 'Macao' so people can understand more about the 2 territories if they go to those 2 pages.

Macao's national anthem has become The March of the Volunteers since 1999. I do not disagree with that and I recognise that. My point is: Macao, same as Hong Kong, is still a territorial entity despite a transfer of sovereignty. It maintains its own political system, legal system and immigration control. This is similar to the British overseas territories which have their own say on everything except military defence and foreign policy. As long as a territory meet such requirement, they are regarded as territorial entities and it is customary to treat them as countries. Of course that does not mean that they are indepenent countries, but it is just a normal practice. People do not add ', UK' after 'Falkland Islands' or 'Gibraltar' and no one has even complained about that. Equally, hardly has anyone complained about not adding ', China' behind 'Hong Kong' or 'Macao'; I am afraid you belong to a minority. I think you are over-sensitive about this issue.

Let me stress one thing: I recognise that Hong Kong and Macao are under the sovereignty of the People's Republic of China. But, Hong Kong and Macao are not ordinary Chinese cities like Canton or Shanghai, they are territorial entities under Chinese sovereignty.

Douglas the Comeback Kid (talk) 12:09, 3 June 2011 (UTC)


 * I would still recommend seeking the consensus of the greater community first. Start a new thread at NC-ZH or WPCHINA and state your view there. In addition, something I did not mention earlier was in regards to your removals. For instance, what you did at List of cities in China, amongst other pages. To me, it seemed that you were trying to make a point that HK was not China; you claim that you wish to represent fairly the autonomy of HK from the mainland, but then how do you explain this? This page surely has nothing to do with the mainland, yet you still have blanked out the entries for the cities of HK and Macau. I'm sure you are aware that "first impressions last", and since this was my first impression of you when you tripped 10 pages in my watchlist, this is probably why I don't seem to be able to assume good faith on your behalf, even if you really did not mean any harm in the first place. --  李博杰   | —Talk contribs email 12:16, 3 June 2011 (UTC)


 * March of the Volunteers isn't the anthem of Macau. It is the anthem of the People's Republic of China and is extended to cover Macau. Macau itself, unlike many British overseas territories, got no anthem of its own. 218.250.143.16 (talk) 21:42, 5 June 2011 (UTC)
 * You know why? That's because Macau isn't a country. --  李博杰   | —Talk contribs email 05:41, 6 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Could you elaborate your understanding of the English word country, and explain why some countries that aren't sovereign states are having anthems of their own? 218.250.143.16 (talk) 06:20, 6 June 2011 (UTC)
 * How about, instead of playing with lexicon and changing the bend of the discussion, you take a nice warm cup of concrete mix and sit back down. Got a reliable source that verifies that Macau is a country? No? Well stay sitting down. Wikipedia doesn't care if you are right, Wikipedia cares if you can prove what you say; Wikipedia is built upon foundations of policy. --  李博杰   | —Talk contribs email 07:01, 6 June 2011 (UTC)

Hi Ben, I am in total agreement that this user (and probably some compatriots, because there are several IPs doing the same thing) are making systematic edits that make HK/MO appear as independent from CN. Unfortunately, I am trying to lay low for a bit on reverting this because they are using my contributions as a list. If I edit a Chinese article it is a big red flag that says "EDIT WAR HERE". I am also the subject of several Chinese blogs that advocate coming to Wikipedia and blindly reverting everything I do. If a discussion arises, I would gladly lend my voice. Doing the actual in project work right now to revert/combat this is not a good idea. Thanks, and do keep me in the loop. SchmuckyTheCat (talk)


 * ''The above discussion is preserved as an archive of past discussion. Please do not modify it. No further edits should be made to this section.

Hi again

 * Please have a look:1900 National Upheaval 庚子國變記 (李希聖), your comments are to be appreciated.  Arilang  talk  13:38, 3 June 2011 (UTC)

Vietnamese spelling "sát cộng"?
hey goon, out of curiosity, where did you get the spelling "sát cộng"? Do you yourself speak Vietnamese? I ask since gTranslate gives me "community monitoring" as a translation, but it's completely possible/likely that gTranslate isn't getting it right. BTW, how did you get it so that the Welcome above my editing box is in a foreign language? Is there somewhere I can change my default settings so that my Welcome appears in a different language? I already have my prefs set for Asturian, so all my control buttons, etc. are in that language, but I didn't know I can make it so other people see parts of my account in Asturian. Thanks for any ideas, MatthewVanitas (talk) 15:19, 3 June 2011 (UTC)
 * "Sát cộng" (as written in Quoc Ngu, the modern latin-based Vietnamese alphabet; in Han-Nom used in the old days this would be 殺共) is a Sino-Vietnamese word that means "kill commies". A large portion of Vietnamese nouns, verbs and adjectives are loanwords from Chinese. "Sát" (殺) is a Sino-Viet word meaning "to kill, murder". "cộng" (共) is an abbreviation for "Cộng sản" (共產), which literally means "communist", for example, "Việt cộng" (as in Viet Cong; 越共) literally means "Vietnamese communists". Though, by itself, the character 共 can mean anything from commune, community, togetherness, similar, et cetera, in the case of "Sát cộng", the usage of cộng would be an abbreviation of 共產, and can only refer to communism. Although "communist" is a compound word that is more than just "cộng" (e.g. Communist party is "Đảng Cộng sản" (黨共產); Communist Party of Vietnam is "Đảng Cộng sản Việt Nam" (黨共產越南)), 共 by itself is widely recognised amongst East Asian countries to be the shortening/abbreviation for 共產 (communist) (共產 Gòngchǎn in Chinese, Kyōsan in Japanese, gongsan in Korean, Cộng sản in Vietnamese). Other East Asian countries follow the same principles relating to this type of wording.
 * As for your welcome box, I have no idea, I didn't do anything to it. Since you asked, no I don't speak Vietnamese, though I am familiar with the linguistics behind Vietnamese and other East Asian languages. I am Chinese myself. And in case you are wondering, I saw your post on the WPMILHIST noticeboard and thought your page was interesting; hope your future DYK goes all well.
 * N.B. A google search for "Sát cộng" gives you all sorts of things, such as anti-red hate videos on Youtube, and Google Image Search gives an image of a tattoo you mentioned and linked in your page. --  李博杰   | —Talk contribs email 15:40, 3 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Wow, great explanation! I didn't necessarily doubt your translation's accuracy, was just curious how it works, and to reassure that you were firm on that spelling. I've occasionally done some Persian spellings that I was 90% sure were right, but then I'd tag them "verification needed" to let folks know it wasn't necessarily spot-on. Mostly for terms that just don't exist written in Persian in online resources. Thanks for the wishes on the DYK; I've got about 30 refs (not that I'll use all of them), and though it'll be close I think I can make DYK minimum length (which is tough for just a slogan), and also get both a .mil photo of a tatooed sailor, and a pic of a .mil patch. Should give it some visual pop. Thanks for the transcription! MatthewVanitas (talk) 15:49, 3 June 2011 (UTC)

User:CentralAsianHistory
User:CentralAsianHistory could be considered a vandal.

, its considered WP:ORIGINAL RESEARCH, not only that, but he puts a Star of David on the Chinese flag on his "map". this is just laughable.ΔΥΝΓΑΝΕ (talk) 00:48, 6 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Unlicensed image on Commons, potential attack image. I've already taken action on it. --  李博杰   | —Talk contribs email 04:46, 6 June 2011 (UTC)

Hi again

 * Please have a look:1900 National Upheaval and kindly suggest ways to improve the article, thanks.  Arilang   talk  08:43, 7 June 2011 (UTC)

User:Nochicomsubversion
Your reply is requested Thank you. Mlpearc  powwow  14:23, 7 June 2011 (UTC)

My question has been replaced by a block notice. My query is still live though, "I know of no restrictions on Usernames because of them being of "political nature" as your warning stated, could you please cite the section or passage from our username policy that your notice was based on"? Thank you. Mlpearc  powwow  21:59, 7 June 2011 (UTC)
 * "Chicom" is a disparaging term for someone from the People's Republic of China (as opposed to Overseas Chinese and those from the rest of Greater China, who aren't, in effect, "coms"). Since a username like "lynchalln1gg3rz666" or "j3wsdid911" would be promptly blocked, I believe that the blocking of this user is just as necessary. --  李博杰   | —Talk contribs email 03:40, 8 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Also, I'd like to suggest that the remainder of this discussion take place at User_talk:Daniel_Case, if you don't mind. I'd prefer to have all the discussion take place in one area, and not have pieces here and there. Is that alright with you? --  李博杰   | —Talk contribs email 04:00, 8 June 2011 (UTC)

Talkback
&mdash; HXL's Roundtable  and  Record  14:28, 7 June 2011 (UTC)

I Need Hanzi
can you type up the Hanzi in this image-



I don't have the software to do it, I want to run the hanzi through a xiaoerjin converter and compare it to the image (to see if the converter's creator is telling the truth about whether it works). (the hanzi should be in traditional, not simplified)

I also need the Hanzi for the second image at this link, its written directly under the xiaoerjinΔΥΝΓΑΝΕ (talk) 22:22, 11 June 2011 (UTC)

Here's what I could do: For the second one, a few of the characters in the image were unclear and difficult to read (likely a scanning issue). Regarding two characters from the 3rd line both with the 言 radical, since I would be technically/officially classified as illiterate in China (Chinese language home-taught at a late age, English first language), I never learnt these two characters and don't recognise them (are they traditional Chinese?); they are marked with **. --  李博杰   | —Talk contribs email 03:30, 12 June 2011 (UTC)
 * 1) 同相—柱—領首—富—乎合
 * 2) 聖人的女子是四個;哎一切人，你們知道此是，惟人的性格，(unclear)根在两分上，受囊?;(unclear)的，受**的，受(unclear)(unclear)的是，六十様(unclear)然他的根子是七個，(unclear)真


 * I think the xiaoerjin might possibly in Lanyin Mandarin or Central Plains Mandarin, do you know anyone from gansu here who can speak northwestern dialects?ΔΥΝΓΑΝΕ (talk) 21:39, 12 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Sorry to bother, here are some minor corrections:
 * 相同—柱—首領—富—合乎
 * 聖人的女子是四個；哎一切人，你們知道此是，惟人的性格，紥根在两分上，受褒貶的，受誇讚的，受褒貶的是，六十様，雖然他的根子是七個，逆真
 * Hope it helps! --Shibo77 (talk) 10:19, 14 July 2011 (UTC)
 * It's all fine. Thanks for that; after all there is a limit to my ability to recognize Chinese characters (海外华侨，英文是母语). --  李博杰  &#124; —Talk contribs email 10:31, 14 July 2011 (UTC)

South American dreadnought race
Hello, thanks very much for adding categories to this article. I wasn't really sure which ones should be added, but you cleared that up for me. Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 06:56, 12 June 2011 (UTC)
 * No worries. --  李博杰   | —Talk contribs email 06:58, 12 June 2011 (UTC)

books
there are issues concerning the neutrality of the content of the articles of the two following books.

Divine Boxing: The real Yihetuan and 1900 National Upheaval

ΔΥΝΓΑΝΕ (talk) 20:10, 13 June 2011 (UTC)

And wasn't he advised to back away from the topic of Boxer rebellion? He is essentially repeating everything he spewed out on the talk page of the article onto the articles of these two books.ΔΥΝΓΑΝΕ (talk) 20:12, 13 June 2011 (UTC)

Welcome to WikiProject Film
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Mirroring a thread to Project China
Hi 李先生, I would like to post a mirror of a thread to the Project China discussion page. Do you happen to know what code I should use for that? --Bobthefish2 (talk) 03:01, 19 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Just transclude it (but don't WP:SUBST it or it will never be up-to-date), for example, if the talk was at User talk:Example, you would type User talk:Example#Foo (ignore the redlink, the tl tag is being silly). However, be sure to remember to remove the transclusion after (and if) the talk has been deleted or archived, otherwise the whole page (and not just the section) will be transcluded, which will be quite messy. For an example, refer to here; there was originally a translcluded section here. Following archival of the talk, I have replaced the transclusion with a simple link to the archived talk, as seen here. --  李博杰   | —Talk contribs email 04:18, 19 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the reply. I did a couple of tests but that doesn't seem to work very well for me. Apparently, the entire page gets transcluded, which is not what I wanted. I read a bit on WP:Transclusion and a few pages about templates and I don't seem to be able to find a way to do a partial transclusion (by the way, those pages are so damn terribly organized/written). Here are the two sections I wanted to mirror. Maybe I've not written the code correctly:
 * --Bobthefish2 (talk) 05:29, 19 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Argh, I'm not sure now. Transcluding sections used to work, I don't know what's going wrong now. Either one of the devs changed the code for Wikipedia, or I'm doing something wrong (I've seen it work perfectly before)... I'll have a look into it. --  李博杰   | —Talk contribs email 05:45, 19 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Yes, I've seen that work too and it's strange that it doesn't work now. Anyhow, I simply copied and pasted the lead paragraphs since the rest of the thread seems to be going off-topic anyway (and thus updates may not need to be mirrored) --Bobthefish2 (talk) 06:04, 19 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Sorry if this is a bit late, but I think Template:Anchor may have something to do with this, I'm not sure. I've seen it used to assist with link piping/redirects, but I'm not sure if it can be used the same in regards to transcluding. --  李博杰   &#124; —Talk contribs email 06:58, 23 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I can use that in the future. By the way, how active is Project China/Taiwan's talk page? --Bobthefish2 (talk) 17:36, 23 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Sorry if this is a bit late, but I think Template:Anchor may have something to do with this, I'm not sure. I've seen it used to assist with link piping/redirects, but I'm not sure if it can be used the same in regards to transcluding. --  李博杰   &#124; —Talk contribs email 06:58, 23 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I can use that in the future. By the way, how active is Project China/Taiwan's talk page? --Bobthefish2 (talk) 17:36, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

Edit warring on Korea-related articles
I saw your SPI case against KoreanSentry, and become very concerned of his onsite and offsite behavior. I think he should be notified about his constant racial attacks on editors of Chinese origin, and other various threats. I've also noted that he shares a username with a particular internet forum, which I would basically call a hate site.--PCPP (talk) 14:42, 20 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Well, what avenues are there to take? What happens off-wiki (i.e. any hate speech) doesn't technically break any on-wiki rules, as whatever happens elsewhere is none of Wikipedia's concern... the only thing that can have action taken is any off-wiki WP:CANVASSing that occurs, which has happened in our case, however it isn't serious enough to warrant any significant action taken against KoreanSentry. Unless, of course, if you had a particular idea in mind? --  李博杰   &#124; —Talk contribs email 15:09, 20 June 2011 (UTC)
 * I personally think he should be notified to not to further engage in personal attacks per WP:NPA. Looking at his talk page, I believe several of his responses are unncessarily hostile, and I also believe his username advertises his off wiki website.--PCPP (talk) 18:00, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

Bitcoin
The key in the below is that the site was effectively NOT hacked. The previous version suggests the crash was a result of a hack, there is no real evidence of this at this time.

From Mt. Gox site:

It appears that someone who performs audits on our system and had read-only access to our database had their computer compromised. This allowed for someone to pull our database. The site was not compromised with a SQL injection as many are reporting, so in effect the site was not hacked. Two months ago we migrated from MD5 hashing to freeBSD MD5 salted hashing. The unsalted user accounts in the wild are ones that haven't been accessed in over 2 months and are considered idle. Once we are back up we will have implemented SHA-512 multi-iteration salted hashing and all users will be required to update to a new strong password. We have been working with Google to ensure any gmail accounts associated with Mt.Gox user accounts have been locked and need to be reverified. Mt.Gox will continue to be offline as we continue our investigation, at this time we are pushing it to 8:00am GMT. When Mt.Gox comes back online, we will be putting all users through a new security measure to authenticate the users. This will be a mix of matching the last IP address that accessed the account, verifying their email address, account name and old password. Users will then be prompted to enter in a new strong password. Once Mt.Gox is back online, trades  218869~222470 will be reverted. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hisabness (talk • contribs) 18:57, 21 June 2011 (UTC)
 * ...which is exactly what the article (once) said. In the section that you blanked. Reading comprehension, are you game for it? --  李博杰   &#124; —Talk contribs email 07:35, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

DYK for The Founding of a Party
The DYK project (nominate) 00:04, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

Sawndip
I very much appreciate the work you have done to expand the information on Zhuang writting systems. In one edit I changed two things both of which you have undone. Firstly "In addition to Chinese characters categorized using the six traditional classification principles, sawndip also consists of" contradicts the section below which includes several of the six classification principles. A rewording closer to that of Bauer would better. Second, there are latin letters used in Sawndip, Bauer was only aware of there use in Cantonese because he limited his research of Sawndip to the Sawndip Sawdenj. See for example http://gdzhdb.l10n-support.com/cgi-bin/test2.cgi?sample_text=[Kk] which lists the use of the letter k by a number of different authors in <平果嘹歌> five volumes published in 2005/6. Johnkn63 (talk) 08:04, 26 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Sorry about that. I should have assumed better faith. --  李博杰   &#124; —Talk contribs email 09:18, 26 June 2011 (UTC)
 * No problems. It is good to see more people taking an interest in Zhuang. Johnkn63 (talk) 13:22, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

Orphaned non-free image File:Cao ni ma.jpg
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Your signature
Signatures I think you should cut your signature down in size some as it makes editing difficult. Colincbn (talk) 17:31, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

Proposed Tibetan naming conventions
A while back, I posted a new proposal for Tibetan naming conventions, i.e. conventions that can be used to determine the most appropriate titles for articles related to the Tibetan region. This came out of discussions about article titles on Talk:Qamdo and Talk:Lhoka (Shannan) Prefecture. I hope that discussions on the proposal's talk page will lead to consensus in favour of making these conventions official, but so far only a few editors have left comments. If you would be interested in taking a look at the proposed naming conventions and giving your opinion, I would definitely appreciate it. Thanks&mdash;Nat Krause(Talk!·What have I done?) 20:40, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

Isuzu1001
Someone's at it again...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Isuzu1001

ΔΥΝΓΑΝΕ (talk) 17:01, 5 July 2011 (UTC)

Shanghai vs. Chongqing
There is a RfC thread at Talk:Shanghai regarding the question whether Shanghai or Chongqing can claim to be the largest city in the PR China. However, this thread has not seen participation from anyone in more than 5 days, and there really needs to be more input. You may wish to give your opinion on this matter. Thanks much&mdash; HXL's Roundtable  and  Record  01:52, 6 July 2011 (UTC)

Blank line removal
I noticed you removed some blank lines in Gregorian calendar. It makes no difference in how an article looks to the reader whether a heading has one blank line before it and one after it, or whether there no blank lines around the heading. Also, it does not save any Wikipedia storage space to remove the lines, since Wikipedia saves all old versions of articles. So it seems to me this type of edit is not worthwhile. Is there a good reason to do this that I don't know about? Jc3s5h (talk) 12:57, 18 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Though this might be subject to discussion, but wouldn't articles look aesthetically better if there was uniformity throughout the article? Having a few gaps between a few sections, and then having none between another few seems uneven to me. Sure, it isn't a necessity, though I do think it makes the article a tiny bit more tidy. --  李博杰  &#124; —Talk contribs email 15:59, 18 July 2011 (UTC)


 * The article is presented to the reader exactly the same way whether the heading is surrounded by one blank line above, and one below, or if there are no blank lines. However, if there are two or more blank lines above the heading, or two or more blank lines below the heading, the presentation will change and that would be a good reason to delete some blank lines. Jc3s5h (talk) 16:12, 18 July 2011 (UTC)
 * I suppose you were originally referring to this edit? I've removed a double break, so that it is now a single line break, so that there isn't a large gap after the section. --  李博杰  &#124; —Talk contribs email 16:55, 18 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Yes; I don't pay much attention to Wikipedia's diff, because it isn't very good. When I looked at the text of the two versions in edit mode, it looked to me as if a single break had been removed, but I guess I was mistaken. Thanks for trying to make the articles look a little neater. Jc3s5h (talk) 21:52, 18 July 2011 (UTC)

Request
Hello! Could you write an article about my city - Żagań on Chinese Wikipedia? I would be thankful. Only 2-4 sentences enough. Saganum (talk) 17:53, 19 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Here you go, zh:雜幹. I did a quick and basic job covering most information in the lede from the English article, along with a few other things. Don't know if it will survive AfD though - currently the article is short and unsourced, and ZH Wiki tends to cull unsourced stubs quite quickly. --  李博杰  &#124; —Talk contribs email 16:51, 20 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Thank you very much! You wrote a really good article. I hope, that nobody will delete this article. Thanks once again! Saganum (talk) 22:24, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

hanzi
can you type up the characters for the adam, abraham, david, arabia, and the buddha thing over here at the right side of the page.

I also need the characters for the [http://books.google.com/books?id=PcELAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA217&dq=The+second+era+of+translators+A.+D.+400+was+that+of+Kumaradjiva+of+Cashmere.+There+can+be+no+doubt+that+he+made+use+of+SH+and+S+as+separate+letters+for+he+never+confounds+them+in+his+choice+of+Chinese+characters.+The+Chinese+words+already+introduced+by+his+predecessors+he+did+not+alter,+and+in+introducing+new+terms+required+in+the+translation+of+the+Mahayana+literature,+the+-fc+%5E%C2%A3+Tasheng+or+greater+development,+he+uses+SH+for+SH+and+usually+B+for+V.+Thus+the+city+Shravasti+was+in+Pali+Savatthi+and+in+Chinese+%3Cfe+*M+%5E+Sha-ba-ti.+Probably+Kumaradjiva+himself+speaking+in+the+Cashmere+dialect+of+Sanscrit+called+it+Shabati.&hl=en&ei=AI8rTrLRFem60AH1nt3sCg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CCsQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=The%20second%20era%20of%20translators%20A.%20D.%20400%20was%20that%20of%20Kumaradjiva%20of%20Cashmere.%20There%20can%20be%20no%20doubt%20that%20he%20made%20use%20of%20SH%20and%20S%20as%20separate%20letters%20for%20he%20never%20confounds%20them%20in%20his%20choice%20of%20Chinese%20characters.%20The%20Chinese%20words%20already%20introduced%20by%20his%20predecessors%20he%20did%20not%20alter%2C%20and%20in%20introducing%20new%20terms%20required%20in%20the%20translation%20of%20the%20Mahayana%20literature%2C%20the%20-fc%20%5E%C2%A3%20Tasheng%20or%20greater%20development%2C%20he%20uses%20SH%20for%20SH%20and%20usually%20B%20for%20V.%20Thus%20the%20city%20Shravasti%20was%20in%20Pali%20Savatthi%20and%20in%20Chinese%20%3Cfe%20*M%20%5E%20Sha-ba-ti.%20Probably%20Kumaradjiva%20himself%20speaking%20in%20the%20Cashmere%20dialect%20of%20Sanscrit%20called%20it%20Shabati.&f=false sha-ba-ti thing here, at the bottom left corner of the page] DÜNGÁNÈ (talk) 02:59, 24 July 2011 (UTC)

the cartoons on Senkaku Islands
If you want to just delete this, feel free; I just didn't want to clutter up the article talk page by continuing there.

This form of "satire" is something I deal with on an academic level, and let me say, you and Bobthefish2 are neither the first to raise my anger, nor the first to get defensive about it. It's like when someone makes a joke about how terrible women drivers are, and then the defense is, "Hey, it's just a joke!" or "Hey, it's funny cuz it's true!" (even when statistically it's not). The perpetuation of stereotypes as comedy is harmful, no matter who perpetuates it, no matter whether its "true" or not...Do Japanese natives speak English with an Engrish accent? Sure some of them do; others have milder accents then people from the Midwest, from Barbados, from "native" English speaking countries. Would I ever go on a public forum, especially one with actual rules about civility, and post a joke about Engrish? Never.

Let me give another example: sometimes, celebrities in Japan put on Blackface and do tv commercials, skit comedy, what have you. Do they intend it to be offensive? No. Are they aware that the use of blackface is part of a nearly 200 year old tradition of demeaning the competence, intelligence, and attractiveness of African Americans? No, they don't. Does that mean that when they do it, I (as someone who does know) should be silent, and let it slide as cultural naivete? Absolutely not. The only way to make racism and sexism and homophobia go away is to challenge them when and where they occur. In the case of the Japanese blackface, its a teaching moment (hey, let me tell you a little about that...). In the case of allegedly smart, allegedly civil people posting on Wikipedia to lighten the mood, it's not a teachable moment, it's time for a scolding. I appreciate satire. I don't appreciate racial stereotyping dressed up and called satire. And you know what gets me most angry? Calling it political correctness, which, is a term invented by the political right as a way of justifying prejudicial, discriminatory language. Almost all of the "extreme" pc that people rail against was never used by "liberals"; no reasonable person ever used the phrase "vertically challenged" for short; but by doing created these ridiculous fictions, the right attempted to justify continuing to use gendered pronouns as if they were generic, words like "retarded" and "female doctors"....I'm not taking a pc stance against those comics--I'm saying that I saw them, they offended me immediately, and I called Bob out on them, since this type of behavior is 100% in line with his standard operating procedure: make a trolling, offensive comment but defend himself by calling it a joke or by blaming the listener for misinterpreting him.

Did I overreact? Yes, probably. My apologies. Was I partially reacting not just to the comics but to the editor who posted them? Yes, I was, and that's not fair. Does that change the fact that the comics are offensive and have no business being passed off as a moment of lighthearted comedy on a Wikipedia talk page? No, it does not. I have no problem defending my actions at WQA, ANI, or wherever, because as someone said recently, WP:NPA doesn't prevent us from calling out racism when we see it. Qwyrxian (talk) 08:05, 27 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Let's give Qwyrxian a round of applause for his incredible speech. It sounded very holy and very righteous. It would've been a speech of legendary stature if only he is not already known for having double standards on user behaviour and that his complaints about the comics in question are hilarious on a legendary scale. Without having to bother myself to address the entire space of his volcanic outburst, I'd say this speech is just as convincing as any speech given by an American politician regarding foreign policies - Yes, please do continue to complain about the aggressive behaviours of every non-NATO country.
 * Again, he is welcomed to take this to his favourite DR if he wants. He is also welcomed to keep the threat of doing so on the horizon if he feels it is going to impress me. Allow me a yawn. --Bobthefish2 (talk) 10:47, 27 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Alright, let's just let this one end and move on. I'd rather that we don't make the situation any more complicated than it already is, for the benefit of everyone. --  李博杰  &#124; —Talk contribs email 11:24, 27 July 2011 (UTC)
 * By the way, I do greatly appreciate you spending the time to defuse the situation. In absence of a credible third party's assurance, there is little doubt that this whole thing would be sent to ANI and turned into a circus. --Bobthefish2 (talk) 18:57, 27 July 2011 (UTC)

You need to look further
Hold on a sec, you should check out User:STSC too. This one removed the Filipino and Vietnamese names for the islands that these countries controlled just like what I did, so if you revered my edits then you MUST also undo STSC's edits. Fair. No way in hell (talk) 18:29, 2 August 2011 (UTC)

If Day
Hi Benlisquare, the article you added to the German wikipedia is largely incomprehensible. Please be aware that machine translations from English to German are often of very poor quality and are therefore usually deleted immediately. Please don't add any more of such articles.

Thanks, no offense.--77.47.51.149 (talk) 12:58, 4 August 2011 (UTC)


 * The page was not machine translated, it was translated manually through the use of basic German grammar knowledge attained from middle school and a EN-DE dictionary. I have already written on the talk page that there definitely will be inconsistencies, and that the prose should be checked and fixed where necessary. --  李博杰  &#124; —Talk contribs email 05:03, 5 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Well... Frankly, the article has to be rewritten from scratch. Being a native speaker of both Chinese and English, you certainly know that one word in a language can have plenty of very different meanings in another language depending on the context. So taking a dictionary and picking one word from the list by guessing isn't enough (in fact that's just what a machine translation does). I'm afraid there's a lot of grammar faults, too.  I don't want to discourage you to contribute to the German wiki, but this time I think you tried a task too hard.--77.47.51.149 (talk) 11:36, 5 August 2011 (UTC)
 * I did my best to make it understandable. ;) And it was kind of fun, so no need to feel bad. If you want to exercise your German skills in the future, it might be a good idea though to write the articles on a sub page of yours and let someone check them before you publish them in the main namespace. To be honest if I would publish an article in the French Wikipedia, it would be just as bad and I'd probably get guillotined. :D Have a nice day. --Stanzilla (talk) 16:18, 5 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Thank you for that. And yes, I'll be sure to do as you suggested in the future. --  李博杰  &#124; —Talk contribs email 02:16, 6 August 2011 (UTC)

Korean_origin_theory
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korean_origin_theory Please copy edit the article below: http://sites.google.com/site/chosonninjahumblesensei/Home/south-korean-cultural-claims — Preceding unsigned comment added by B3430715 (talk • contribs) 21:49, 4 August 2011 (UTC)

Character Amnesia
I saw a comment you made at Talk:Chinese characters about "character amnesia" I have found some additional sources and would like to write an article on the topic. It passes WP:GNG but I wonder how an article on this topic could ever reach past the lead. That is to say, there doesn't seem to be a whole lot to say about it aside from just defining the concept and saying that some evidence exists that it is real, and whether or not it is really happening, people like to say that they are afraid it will happen. That gets us up to about two paragraphs. Do you have any thoughts on this? Metal.lunchbox (talk) 01:02, 8 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Start with the basics, and we'll see how it turns out: create a sandbox under your userspace (e.g. User:Metal.lunchbox/Character amnesia) (EDIT: Ha, never mind, I see you're already one step ahead :D), and I'll check it out, make fixes and add additional information along with you. Once we got the main thing sorted out, we can work towards making it a mainspace article. We can write it as a psychological phenomenon, and cite references that refer to it, like similar articles Tetraphobia, Word salad, and so forth. Explain in the lede that it is a phenomenon where people that natively speak a language that uses sinographs gradually forget more and more glyphs, and that it is especially the case upon reliance on technology; if there are studies on it, cite research that has been done, things like that. --  李博杰  &#124; —Talk contribs email 02:40, 8 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Metal.lunchbox (talk) 02:45, 8 August 2011 (UTC)

I made some changes to the article and went ahead and moved it to mainspace for everyone to enjoy. take a look. I'm sure you'll want to make some changes. As it is it reads a little bit like one person wrote it. Metal.lunchbox (talk) 03:52, 9 August 2011 (UTC)

I saw you added an interlanguage link to 提笔忘字. I'm not good at reading chinese. Does that article have any content that isn't included in the english article? Metal.lunchbox (talk) 07:35, 10 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Not really. That article is terribly written and poorly sourced. It's practically none of our concern really. --  李博杰  &#124; —Talk contribs email 08:27, 10 August 2011 (UTC)

request some help
I've been expanding the article folding screen. And since my Chinese is a bit below standards, which characters is correct: 屛風 or 屏風? The former was already on the article before I started editting it. And how would it literally be translated? "Protecting from the wind"? Thx, Cold Season (talk) 11:16, 8 August 2011 (UTC)
 * The two, 屛風 and 屏風, are the same, as 屛 and 屏 are merely variant Chinese characters, pronounced the same and with the same meaning. It seems that 屛風 gets more google hits than 屏風 (141,000,000 vs 55,200,000), so you could go with 屛風. Though its up to you: the ZH Wiki uses zh:屏風, as does the JA Wiki at ja:屏風, so if you want to be a bit more uniform with the interwikis you could use 屏風 (Though, the interwikis aren't even uniform anyway, KO Wiki at ko:병풍 uses 屛風). 屏/屛 would translate to "shield" (not in a military sense, but more akin to blocking something, such as airflow), so "wind shield/guard" would be the literal translation. --  李博杰  &#124; —Talk contribs email 12:21, 8 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Aah, that made it much clearer. Thank you for the help, Cold Season (talk) 13:54, 8 August 2011 (UTC)

Hello again, thanks for your help last time. I'm currently making a new article and would like some input on some Chinese terms of "hanging scrolls" found here. I have a grasp of what some are, but I have the feeling I'm missing some info and additional terms along the Chinese text in the citation links, and maybe glance over if I have placed the correct characters over the work in progress. Greetings, Cold Season (talk) 10:16, 16 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I'm not really sure myself, and I might not be able to help you here. I'm not that familiar with art-related terminology, and pretty much all the terms in your sandbox is Double-Dutch to me. --  李博杰  &#124; —Talk contribs email 16:45, 16 August 2011 (UTC)
 * No matter, I will scrap some things here and there until I can find enough understandable info. Thanks, Cold Season (talk) 16:59, 16 August 2011 (UTC)

Sawndip versions
One feature Sawndip is that there is to date no standard. The additions of Sawndip should ideally include source. Some come from Sawndip Sawdenj, however that dictionary uses 㭲 not 谷, also the dictionary itself nowhere gives its title in Sawndip ⿰書史⿰立生⿰書史典, nor to the best of my knowledge has this been used elsewhere. The word 吪僮 also seems to be new, where does the second character 僮 come from? Johnkn63 (talk) 12:24, 8 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Sawndip Sawdenj lists 谷 as as variant sawndip of 㭲 (doesn't it list variant/alternative logograms next to the listed character in brackets, after the romanization and before it gives the definitions in Chinese?). Though I was actually initially looking for 㭲, gave up after going tediously through my IME. The dictionary lists "saw - "字，文" (or something like that; can't remember the exact Chinese definition given)" with the ⿰書史 character, and "ndip" with ⿰立生, which is where I got the characters from. As for 吪僮, I initially wrote "Vahcuengh" as 吪壯 and "Bouxcuengh" as 佈壯, but I noticed that Zhuang people already used 佈僮, so I assumed that 僮 was a sawndip cognate of sawgun/hanzi 壯. This was one that I wasn't sure about, as I couldn't find "cuengh" within the Sawndip Sawdenj. If its the case where I've made a mistake, then I'll try to fix up the mess somehow. All of my other additions are 100% from the Sawndip Sawdenj though. The dictionary lists "vah - 语，话" as 吪. --  李博杰  &#124; —Talk contribs email 12:30, 8 August 2011 (UTC)
 *  > the dictionary itself nowhere gives its title in Sawndip ⿰書史⿰立生⿰書史典 I added the sawndip from reading the title, it's nowhere used as a phrase within the actual SS itself. It's like reading "Союз Советских Социалистических Республик" and re-writing it as "Soyuz Sovietskikh Sotsialisticheskikh Respublik". If you think this constitutes WP:OR, then I'll be glad to revert it. All other uses, e.g. ⿰書史⿰立生 and ⿰書史㭲 are fine though, right? --  李博杰  &#124; —Talk contribs email 12:50, 8 August 2011 (UTC)

China mess
Your opinion would be highly valued in the newest sections of that article's talk page... &mdash; Xiaoyu: 聊天 (T)  和  贡献 (C)  20:13, 10 August 2011 (UTC)

Arbitration on Senkaku Islands
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Thanks, Qwyrxian (talk) 10:07, 13 August 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Character amnesia
The DYK project (nominate) 08:04, 14 August 2011 (UTC)

Notification of arbitration case opened
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Photoshop request
I recently uploaded File:Ponce de Leon Inlet Spiral Staircase.jpg to commons and I would like to use it in an article. My sister appears in the image slightly and I was wondering if you could photoshop her out. Ryan Vesey Review me!  18:15, 19 August 2011 (UTC)
 * By that do you mean you want me to crop the image (which would take about 30 seconds), or do you want me to erase her Joseph Stalin style? I can try to edit her out into nothing, but this might take some time; I'll do it if I get the spare time. --  李博杰  &#124; —Talk contribs email 02:14, 20 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Someone has created a cropped version, but it would be nice if she could just be replaced. There is one other person who appears in the picture that could also be erased as well.  If you have time it would be great, if you don't it isn't a huge issue.  Ryan Vesey  Review me!  02:19, 20 August 2011 (UTC)

ANI
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Vietnamese Democratic Progressive Party

 * 抵制和譴責《中文維基百科》，惡意侮辱定居台灣的越南人！
 * 阮文雄

--114.44.122.107 (talk) 07:30, 4 September 2011 (UTC)


 * .......and? --  李博杰  &#124; —Talk contribs email 08:21, 4 September 2011 (UTC)
 * EDIT: lol what am I reading. upon reading that link, all it seems to be is a baseless rant, claiming that Wikipedia is run by the Chinese Communist Party. Oh wow. --  李博杰  &#124; —Talk contribs email 08:23, 4 September 2011 (UTC)

Nomination of Sawgoek for deletion
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please help
HI, I found some Anonymous IP adress are Break this article : Kuomintang, please take ACTION to stop it, thanks.219.85.124.116 (talk) 12:40, 7 September 2011 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of DJMax Technika 3


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Thanks for the warm welcome
Thank you for the warm welcome, I am curious though why you use the PRC flag to show your Chinese ancestry.... Hsinhai (talk) 09:26, 13 September 2011 (UTC)
 * 父母來自北京. . . 1949年之後早都沒有中華民國在大陸了. 他們是文化大革命時代長大的，然後開放之後來到澳大利亞；怎麼說也都是跟PRC的關係最多. --  李博杰   &#124; —Talk contribs email 11:13, 13 September 2011 (UTC)
 * 好吧. 我愛中國 - 我不喜歡中華人民共和國. 中華人民共和國 ≠ 中國. Hsinhai (talk) 13:22, 13 September 2011 (UTC)

WP:RfArb/Senkaku
According to Elen of the roads, "A useful thing that the parties can do is help Arbcom with ... what it is that [WP:RfArb/Senkaku is all about...."] It would help me -- and perhaps it would be perceived as helpful by others -- if you were willing to give your answer to Elen's question. A summary re-statement of what you think this case is all about would appear reasonable here in the context of the analysis of the evidence others have presented. --Tenmei (talk) 17:28, 18 September 2011 (UTC)
 * The time for presenting or resummarising the case has long passed. Please read what Newyorkbrad, one of the drafting arbitrators, says four days ago. Alexandr Dmitri (talk) 17:39, 18 September 2011 (UTC)

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Please take note
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My name is 李孟越, 越南人. Your name in Sino-Vietnamese is Lý Bác Kiệt or sometimes, Lí Bác Kiệt, capital L,B and K. Thanks! 113.168.103.229 (talk) 18:50, 12 October 2011 (UTC)

2011 WikiProject Film coordinator election
Voting for WikiProject Film's October 2011 project coordinator election has started. We are aiming to select five coordinators to serve for the next year; please take a moment from editing to vote here by October 29! Erik (talk &#124; contribs) 11:56, 15 October 2011 (UTC)

英语语法
感谢阁下帮忙修正我的语法错误.

想 问问阁下英语中需不需要在专有名词前加入定冠词. 看到阁下在Uyghur language和Zhuang alphabet前帮我加上了the. 另外scholar可否修饰purposes(n.+n.)？另外scholarly purposes属于什么用法呢，是否副词总可以修饰名词呢？––虞海 ( Yú Hǎi )  ✍  15:27, 16 October 2011 (UTC)


 * 前面需要不需要加the是看这句话想表达什么：
 * "He bought a banana for two dollars" - 他花2块卖个香蕉；这代表有很多香蕉，可是只买了一个.
 * "He bought the banana for two dollars" - 同上，可是只剩下一个香蕉.
 * "He bought banana for two dollars" - 语法错误.
 * "Vladimir Putin bought Mongolia for two billion dollars" - 弗拉基米尔·普京花2,000,000,000快买了蒙古.
 * "Vladimir Putin bought the Mongolia for two billion dollars" - 语法错误. "Mongolia"不可能前面加上the；可是，
 * "Vladimir Putin bought the country of Mongolia for two billion dollars" - 弗拉基米尔·普京花2,000,000,000快买了蒙古国. 在这句话中，前面必需加the，否则语法错误.
 * "Vladimir Putin learned Mongolian" - 普京学了蒙古语. 这句话中，Mongolian是proper noun.
 * "Vladimir Putin learned the Mongolian" - 语法错误.
 * "Vladimir Putin learned the Mongolian language" - 这样写是没问题，因为language是common noun，Mongolian是adjective(Which car? The blue car. Which language? The Mongolian language. 那个车？蓝色的车. 那个语言？蒙古语言. )，不是common noun.
 * "Vladimir Putin learned Mongolian language" - 语法错误.
 * "John learned an Indian language" - John学了个印度语言. 因为印度有很多语言，没有一个叫“印度语”.
 * "John learned Indian";
 * "John learned the Indian language" - 两样全部都不对.
 * 因 此，如果你只讲Mongolian，前面不需要加the，因为他是proper noun. 可是，Mongolian language, Mongolian people, Mongolian government, Mongolian film industry前面必需加the，因为language, people, government和film industry都是common noun,Mongolian是代表这些common noun的来源(它们不是American people, French people, Venezuelan people,而是Mongolian people).


 * 关于scholarly purposes,"scholar"是个common noun，不可能自己成为adjective.后面加-ly就把有些noun变成adjective.Prince(王子)是noun,可是在印度有Princely state("王子性的国家"; zh:土邦);Gentleman(先生；有教育的男人)是noun ("What a wonderful gentleman")，可是如果要把它变成adjective,后面必需加上-ly ("He played the violin in a gentlemanly manner"). --  李博杰  &#124; —Talk contribs email 12:47, 26 October 2011 (UTC)
 * 我想最难处理的就是那些proper noun：一个美国人告诉我，当他们说I speak English的时候，English并没有名词化，而是作为English language的省略体. 因此，如果English被看作proper noun，唯一的办法是把English language也看作proper noun. 而如果Mongolian language成为了普通名词，Mongolian是不是前面也要加the呢？––虞海 ( Yú Hǎi )  ✍ </Big> 12:53, 26 October 2011 (UTC)
 * 另外，英语好像有名词修饰名词的现象，比如：gold statue（注意不是golden statue，而是gold制成的statue）. 这种名词修饰名词的现象，什么时候能用什么时候不能用呢？––<Span xml:lang="zh-Hant-CN" lang="zh-Hant">虞海</Span> ( Yú Hǎi ) <Big> ✍ </Big> 12:55, 26 October 2011 (UTC)
 * 英语有的地方真的很别扭，尤其是那个United States，后面加is别扭，加are更别扭…––<Span xml:lang="zh-Hant-CN" lang="zh-Hant">虞海</Span> ( Yú Hǎi ) <Big> ✍ </Big> 12:59, 26 October 2011 (UTC)
 * “I'm from Korea”，语法正确吗？––<Span xml:lang="zh-Hant-CN" lang="zh-Hant">虞海</Span> ( Yú Hǎi ) <Big> ✍ </Big> 13:01, 26 October 2011 (UTC)


 * 在"English language"中，English是个adjective，不是proper noun."English"是代表讲的language是那个language."English language"不可能是noun，因为phrase≠word;只有word可以是noun, verb, adjective, adverb, 等等. "English"和"language"是两个word,加起来成为"English language",一个phrase.这个phrase中，English是adjective, language是noun. 这跟
 * The English people (英国人) (adjective+noun)
 * The British currency (英币) (adjective+noun)
 * The capital of England (英国首都) (noun+noun)
 * 是一样的概念. 可是，有些词也可以写成
 * He spoke the English language (英语；语法没问题)
 * He spoke English (英语；语法没问题)
 * Hitler wanted to subdue the English people (英国人；语法没问题)
 * Hitler wanted to subdue the English (英国人；语法没问题)
 * 在1和3,English是adjective,可是在2和4,English是noun. --  李博杰  &#124; —Talk contribs email 13:07, 26 October 2011 (UTC)


 * 关于-ly 和 -en:
 * $$noun + ly = adjective$$ (如： prince, princely)
 * $$verb + ly = adverb$$ (如： slow, slowly)
 * $$noun + en = adjective$$ (如： silk, silken "she had silken hair" "她发如丝"). 在 -en, -en只可以加在在一种material之后, e.g. wood, wooden; brass, brazen.
 * $$verb + en = past principle$$ (如： forgive, forgiven)
 * $$noun + ed = adjective$$ (如： lead, leaded; salt, salted). 这是代表一个化学东西里面再有一个化学东西； 如 "leaded petrol" (含铅汽油), "salted chips" (加盐的薯片), "fluoridated water" (含氟水).
 * $$verb + ed = verb (past tense)$$ (如： kill, killed; rape, raped)
 * "I'm from Korea"的语法正确，Korea是proper noun. "I'm from country of Korea"不正确，country是common noun; 因该是 "I'm from the country of Korea". 你也可以这样看： "I'm James" 正确, "I'm the James" 不正确.  "I'm the student you were waiting for" 正确, "I'm student you were waiting for" 不正确.  --  李博杰   &#124; —Talk contribs email 13:15, 26 October 2011 (UTC)
 * 谢谢！-ly 和 -en的总结对我很有帮助，以前一直没注意到名次也可以加ly. ––<Span xml:lang="zh-Hant-CN" lang="zh-Hant">虞海</Span> ( Yú Hǎi ) <Big> ✍ </Big> 17:37, 26 October 2011 (UTC)
 * gold statue这种名次形容名次的情况，什么时候可以用呢？––<Span xml:lang="zh-Hant-CN" lang="zh-Hant">虞海</Span> ( Yú Hǎi ) <Big> ✍ </Big> 17:37, 26 October 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm at university right now, the computers here do not have Chinese IME; the phrases "gold statue" and "golden statue" can be used interchangably, it doesn't really matter that much. The sentence "There was a golden statue of Genghis Khan" and the sentence "There was a gold statue of Genghis Khan" both gramatically make sense. However, there is a slight variation in meaning between the two: "gold" is, gold, whilst "golden" means like gold (yong zhongwen jiang: xiang jin, er bu shi jin); in our case, "gold statue" refers to a statue that is actually made out of real gold; it is literally "gold". However, "golden statue" doesn't necessarily mean that the statue is made out of the element Gold, chemical symbol Au; it can also mean that it resembles gold, it is similar to gold, or it is somehow socially associated with gold. "Golden statue" can be made out of brass or copper, or it could be an iron statue painted in a yellowish metallic coating. Similarly, "cook the potato pieces until they are golden-brown" does not mean that potatoes turn into the element gold when they are cooked, "golden age" does not mean that humans turn into the element gold when they reach age 50, one can say that the Golden Gate Bridge is not made out of elemental gold. Similarly, golden showers is a genre in pornography where person X urinates on person Y; urine is not made out of elemental gold. Golden can mean anything from something that looks yellow (huang se, "golden showers"), something that is of significant worth or is important (you jiazhi, Golden age (metaphor); Golden Triangle (Southeast Asia); golden rule; Golden mean (philosophy); golden ratio), or something that may resemble metallic gold, but is not elemental gold (ru jin, Golden Globe Award). Many concepts and things are referred to as golden, and it isn't really clear why: Golden Eagle, Golden Horde. --  李博杰  &#124; —Talk contribs email 00:34, 27 October 2011 (UTC)

File namespace noticeboard idea
Hi there. As a file worker, I'd like your input on the idea of a noticeboard for file workers. The prototype is at Village pump (idea lab).

Please comment at the VPIL thread, or edit the page linked to there directly, as I can't keep track of this conversation if everyone I invite to comment on the matter responds on their own talk pages.  S ven M anguard  Wha?  07:43, 11 November 2011 (UTC)

Discussing and polling concerning English name of a Tibetan peak: Xixabangma or Shishapangma?
Discussion over the choice of peak name of the peak (Xixabangma, the ZYPY transcription; or Shishapangma, from unclear disputed origin, might be Tibetan or Nepali) has not yet reached consensus. Now a polling was open and comming to an end. If you wish to join the discussion, or to join the poll, please feel free to at Talk:Xixabangma. ––<Span xml:lang="zh-Hant-CN" lang="zh-Hant">虞海</Span> ( Yú Hǎi ) <Big> ✍ </Big> 19:03, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

求助
李博杰你好！

我想在Talk:Republic of China發表些意見，但以我的英語水平恐難以快速精確地表達. 請問能麻煩閣下用英文轉述一下嗎？我把中文發在這裏. ––<Span xml:lang="zh-Hant-CN" lang="zh-Hant">虞海</Span> ( Yú Hǎi ) <Big> ✍ </Big> 06:29, 14 December 2011 (UTC)

Nomination for deletion of Template:PD-DPRKGov
Template:PD-DPRKGov has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for discussion page. Sfan00 IMG (talk) 18:36, 24 December 2011 (UTC)

ROC/PRC/China
I need your opinion on my proposal before I go forward with it. Several Wikipedias in different languages have created a separate China article from the Republic of China and People's Republic of China but links the reader to the respected countries in the article. As shown here http://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E4%B8%AD%E5%9C%8B. Do you think we should do something similar? As I am very much against seeing 'Taiwan' called a country.Typhoonstorm95 (talk) 16:02, 27 December 2011 (UTC)

May interest you
I would rather cry in a BMW. Colipon+ (Talk) 16:26, 5 January 2012 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Tibet Improvement Party, Pandatsang Rapga
Hello! Your submission of Tibet Improvement Party, Pandatsang Rapga at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and there still are some issues that may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! --<sub style="border:1px solid #228B22;padding:1px;">Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; talk to me 23:51, 6 January 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Tibet Improvement Party
Casliber (talk · contribs) 00:04, 12 January 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Pandatsang Rapga
Casliber (talk · contribs) 00:04, 12 January 2012 (UTC)

dead links
Your recent edit removed a dead link from Jeremy Lin that was used for a source. Per WP:DEADLINK, they should remain in the article since it was verifiable in the past, even though the source doesnt exists now. You can use dead link to tag them. Unless there is a different guideline for youtube videos that I am not aware of. Cheers.—Bagumba (talk) 17:06, 11 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Sorry about that. Thanks for the notice. --  李博杰  &#124; —Talk contribs email 01:04, 12 February 2012 (UTC)

File rename request
Need your help in replacing Nanping to Nan'an in File:Night view of Nanping District,Chongqing.JPG and File:The pedestrian mall in Nanping District,Chongqing.JPG, as Chongqing has no Nanping District. GotR Talk 16:38, 19 February 2012 (UTC)

WP:NC-TW
In response to your post at Talk:Republic_of_China, I'd like to remind you that discussion of WP:NC-TW is currently underway, and you are welcome to make your views heard at the relevant talk page.--Jiang (talk) 12:50, 21 February 2012 (UTC)

partisan East turkestan/uyghur editor
I found this guy 198.102.159.208 fabricating numbers (with not sources) on many articles relating to uyghurs and xinjiang. On every single battle between Uyghurs and Chinese muslims, he fabricates massive casualties for the chinese muslim side, with lower on the uyghur.

He also fabricated an entire paragraph on the Grey Wolves article about the Turkish grey wolves insitgating a uyghur uprising and killing thousands of chinese soldiers. The global security website he used as a source did not even mention the grey wolves, neither did it mention thousands of chinese soldiers being killed during a uyghur uprising.

I found you on his talk page since you gave him warnings for uyghur articles related vandalism. Can you get this guy blocked and revert all his editsAnneyar (talk) 07:56, 3 March 2012 (UTC)

Kony
Thank you for providing some trout. I put Kony 2012 up for speedy and prod simultaneously. But because both were removed, I've had to go to AFD, which is not something I wanted to bother with as this shit is probably going to be notable, even if it is not currently.— Ryulong (<font color="Gold">竜龙 ) 05:49, 7 March 2012 (UTC)

Ignorance
Hi Benlisquare--

I don't know whether you may have noticed my Oppose !Vote at Talk:Republic of China, which complains about WP:UCN in general. My own stance is based not on any specific policy (in fact I've read very little of that stuff), but on comments I've found at various other heated discussions: that it is not the purpose of Wikipedia to "ratify" or perpetuate ignorance. It doesn't matter if English speakers confuse the terms "Taiwan" and "Republic of China", or which is the more "common" name. If conflating the one with the other is incorrect, regardless of how widespread it may be, then "common name" cannot apply.

FWIW I also don't see a valid basis for all those challenged !votes - or for any of them at all, unless and until they are demonstrated to be meatpuppets.

This is just my own reading of that page. I don't want to jump into the argument myself, but if this thought might be helpful to you, please feel free to use it yourself. Milkunderwood (talk) 09:11, 7 March 2012 (UTC)

Tripcode
Hi. Please see Talk:4chan; the link is valid, as explained in detail there. If you could please undo your undo (I don't want to get into a revert of a revert), I would appreciate it. Noel (talk) 04:58, 11 March 2012 (UTC)

Consequences of the PRC → China move discussion
In the course of the previous move request discussion in August 2011 it was reaffirmed that other articles, categories, etc., wouldn't be affected. This principle was reaffirmed in CfD in October 2011 and February 2012. But this article was moved. Please discuss at Talk:Demographics of Greater China. Thanks. 119.237.156.246 (talk) 18:06, 19 March 2012 (UTC)

Possibly unfree File:Bob Brown at 2008 Olympic Torch Relay, Canberra.jpg
A file that you uploaded or altered, File:Bob Brown at 2008 Olympic Torch Relay, Canberra.jpg, has been listed at Possibly unfree files because its copyright status is unclear or disputed. If the file's copyright status cannot be verified, it may be deleted. You may find more information on the file description page. You are welcome to add comments to its entry at if you are interested in it not being deleted. Thank you. Kelly hi! 15:49, 23 March 2012 (UTC)

User:John Cruel
I knew this guy was a SPA account when I first saw it, and I though he was only a one time vandal. But I did not realize he was a sock who vandalized the article before. John Cruel is adding unsourced and fake racial slurs against cantonese here. After he reverted me the second time, I looked further into the edit history of the article, and found out that he is in fact a sock of this Isuzu1001 user you have dealt with before. You need to file a sockpuppet investigation at the sockpuppet place and get this guy blocked, because he is going to revert me again. (I found you on User talk:Isuzu1001's talk page.)Beajhure (talk) 21:00, 25 March 2012 (UTC)

New article
Hey, I've created a new article on History of Sino-Korean relations, please take a look if you're interested.--PCPP (talk) 15:32, 26 March 2012 (UTC)

Images from Touhou
I saw that you uploaded the following image on Commons together with an OTRS ticket. Both characters are from Touhou and they can't be released under a free license if Sai isn't the original creator of both characters. If he isn't the creator and it are fan adaption the images should be deleted, even if I would personally like to keep them. -- ／人 ◕ ‿‿ ◕ 人＼ 署名の宣言 17:09, 26 March 2012 (UTC)


 * I don't mean to be belligerent, and I respect your concern (I myself frequently report images for copyvio from time to time), however I would like to dispute the issue. First of all, by what means does an image no longer meet the threshold of originality and become a derivative work? As an example, File:IPhone 4S No shadow.png is a 3D rendering of an iPhone 4S created by the uploader; since it is created by the uploader, the uploader has decided on the license, but doesn't the original design of the iPhone 4S belong to Apple Corporation in the first place? And as for character design, I would like to point out that in the case for Marisa (I won't comment on Keine for now), the design is, dare I say, somewhat common and generic - the original canon art by ZUN aside, can one copyright the basic overall design regarding hair and clothing? I don't think one can copyright a specific matching set of clothing and claim that, in the future, all images of that particular set of clothing belongs to them. To clarify, Marisa is commonly depicted wearing a black colour Bavarian trench vest over a white dress, blonde hair, a "witches" hat with a pink or white ribbon, and a broomstick. If I wore a white frilly dress with a black colour Bavarian trench vest over it, dyed my hair blonde, and wore a silly witch hat with a white ribbon, took a picture of it, and uploaded it onto Commons, would it be a copyvio? (And just to let you know, I'm really tempted on buying these clothes and doing it, just for laughs though, not necessarily proving a point) Keep in mind that Bavarian trench vests are quite common in the real world, especially around the time of Oktoberfest. To what degree can one say that a particular set of clothes definitely is associated with a character? Because one can say that many characters may share that similar design. Regarding canon ZUN art, that is indisputably under his copyright, but in our current case, the art style is completely different, and many features aren't even matching (Marisa canonically has long hair in the official art from EoSD, PCB, and later games, in addition to official print works). I might even be able to say, to some degree, that she might not be Marisa. In addition, I uploaded the "Marisa get out of jp" image to depict a commonly reposted image (dare I say meme) for the zh:4chan article I created on the Chinese Wikipedia, not to actually depict Touhou. I uploaded the text-free "Marisa get out" image after obtaining OTRS permission from Sai, to provide attribution. As for Keine, I haven't used her yet, but I also plan on using her to depict recurring 4chan themes, and not to depict Touhou. --  李博杰  &#124; —Talk contribs email 00:57, 27 March 2012 (UTC)
 * In other words, I can understand the concern for Keine since her character design is completely original, and if she has to be deleted, then I can be fine with that. However, I don't think the same rules apply for Marisa. I would still like to ask the question regarding what makes an image a non-derivative. And finally, as a light-hearted attempt to further question the situation, to what degree are the following images derivative works?      --  李博杰   &#124; —Talk contribs email 01:05, 27 March 2012 (UTC)
 * I know that this is rather controversial topic, or better said copyright is the controversial topic. Thats why i didn't start with a deletion request and searched for your talk page first. That said: It is still unclear if images from Cosplay (commons:category:cosplay) can be copyright violations. It's difficult since we don't have any references (court decisions) regarding this topic. Drawing a slightly different adaption of a character is very much comparable to this scenario, but additionally we have to consider other references as well. You should know that even File:EDGE_magazine_(logo).svg is copyrightable (we have a court decision for this logo), and an slight adaption of this logo would be a copyright violation. I know that this is insane. But if we go after the rule that we delete images with unclear copyright conditions, then we have a problem.
 * In case of Marisa I would agree with you. Both characters are depicted differently, while only sharing some typical elements. So i would tend to keep this image, but can't speak for others. Keine is much harder, since it's clearly an adaption of the original character. If another posture would be enough to make it an new/own work than any drawing of Mickey Mouse or Donald Duck in a different context should be enough as well. The implication itself should be clear enough to raise strong doubt. -- ／人 ◕ ‿‿ ◕ 人＼ 署名の宣言 08:34, 27 March 2012 (UTC)
 * For some reason I was kind of anticipating questions, which is why I wrote the huge chunk of text at File:Marisa get out of jp.png. The rationale I gave was that the Marisa image varied significantly in visual style from canon ZUN art, example from Touhou07 PCB here. The example you gave regarding the EDGE logo makes sense regarding why we have to be careful with things like this, and I understand why we all take copyvio seriously, but it only makes things further confusing as well - if a photograph is taken of an individual, do we take into account whether the clothing is copyrighted or not? For example, if Jeremy Lin wore a well-identifiable, trademark Adidas shirt, would that be a copyright issue? Wouldn't we follow United States copyright laws regarding threshold of originality, since the servers are located there? (We have this template on Wikisource because the United States does not recognise Iranian copyright law.) Plus, what is the Japanese copyright law's take on things? Surely they have lenient definitions of originality, otherwise wouldn't Comiket and the entire doujin industry be seen as a piracy industry, which is certainly not the case? Awww man... copyright seems to be one hell of a mess... Anyway, I'd like to thank you for understanding. I hope I don't sound too aggravated, I really am not (though it's hard to properly express emotion over writing), and I'd like to thank you for talking with me in detail over this. --  李博杰  &#124; —Talk contribs email 09:54, 27 March 2012 (UTC)
 * The problem with Dōjinshi is that many of them are based on original works. It is gray zone, since by law (even Japanese law) such works are considered copyright violations, but on the other end there is the situation of "There is no judge, without a complainant". In general it means that we could assume that we or our re-users aren't sued, but we can't be sure, since our licenses allow any kind of usage, that it stays this way. That is the true problem.
 * For photographs and other works there is always the rule called "de minimis", which allows copyrighted material to appear in other works if it isn't the main subject. That way, a photograph of a person wearing a copyrighted dress is no issue as long the focus is on the person, the situation (e.g. a catwalk) and not only on the clothes itself.
 * The image of Marisa is questionable in a way that the adoption could not go far enough to be considered an own work, since it is known that the idea is based on Touhou. I would say: Yes, that is enough to make it an own work. But other (judge, copyright holders) might say: The traits (trademarks) of the original can cleary be identified and it's a ripoff. Keine on the other hand shares all the major characteristics of the original and it might strongly be disputed that only changing the drawing style (a little) would be enough. It would be the same as to draw an image from a statue (copyright holder still alive or not dead long enough) inside France (no FOP) your own way.
 * To be clear: I see no problem for Wikimedia to keep this images since they are not responsible and would just delete it if there are complaints. But since we release it under a free license we have somehow the duty to inform our re-users that the copyright status is questionable, which is a contradiction to the license. -- ／人 ◕ ‿‿ ◕ 人＼ 署名の宣言 10:37, 27 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Is there a template for this? If not, should we create one for this? I'm sure there's ought to be similar cases that haven't been detected yet, or similar cases that may happen in the future. Something following along the wording "This work, though created by an independent author, may be considered a derivative work. Good faith is assumed on the author, however if you are the original author of original works this work may potentially be based on, and believe that this is a violation of your copyrights, you can file a complaint/notice/whatever by clicking ". Though, in this sense, the works wouldn't be at odds with any of the points at commons:Commons:Project scope, right? --  李博杰  &#124; —Talk contribs email 10:48, 27 March 2012 (UTC)
 * I'm not really sure. Maybe we should bring this up at the Commons:village pump or maybe Commons:village pump/Copyright. This is also one open question of myself, since we have a lot of adoptions from well known characters. If we take Miku Hatsune as an example, then we know that there are many figures/characters with her as the origin (for example Black Rock Shooter), which share basic characteristics but are seen as individual works. Additionally we have a lot of variations of characters with unknown origin. In the case of XP-tan we don't know the first original, but what we know is that the current depictions of her have evolved to it's current point by the influence of many artists, while no change itself would have been enough to remark her as an unique/new character. We could argument that this characters are free by nature, since they were meant to be adopted, changed, etc. until it grew up to became the character it is, while everyone was invited to add his creativity. Thats an awful situation, since we would never be able to say who the author is. Instead it are hundreds of authors, or going after threshold of originality no authors at all. -- ／人 ◕ ‿‿ ◕ 人＼ 署名の宣言 11:53, 27 March 2012 (UTC)
 * That can be argued, but who on Commons would understand and agree? Judging by the typical Commons mindset from what I've seen so far, I can predict that the general reply would be "since copyright status is unconfirmable, delete. Files on Commons can only have completely confirmable and verifiable licensing status" or something. I tend to distance myself from dramas on Commons, I'd have no idea what to do if I actually started one. Also, slightly off-topic, but I initially mistaken you for someone else; there's a user on the Chinese Wikipedia who also puts Kyubey in his sig, and I thought you were him for a second. Oops. (I was wondering when you learned English, and how the hell did you got so fluent within the timespan of a few months.) --  李博杰  &#124; —Talk contribs email 12:36, 27 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes I'm aware of that situation, but what should we do? The images are uploaded at Commons. We could just say nothing, but that doesn't feel right as well. -- ／人 ◕ ‿‿ ◕ 人＼ 署名の宣言 13:04, 27 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Well, do you think my current explanation at File:Marisa get out of jp.png is adequate enough? It mentions that the artwork is loosely based on the artist's interpretation of a character created by ZUN/Team Shanghai Alice. The text content can be modified where necessary, but if a textual explanation is sufficient enough to explain the situation, it can be added on the file description pages of all relevant images. Hence, we're not omitting information, nor telling lies, and it serves all intended purposes adequately. ZUN owns his own canon works, and hasn't claimed any obviously blatant Touhou derivative works as his own, however in the unlikely event that he does object to potentially derivative artworks, they can then be removed per standard procedure with no big drama. --  李博杰  &#124; —Talk contribs email 15:19, 27 March 2012 (UTC)
 * (outdent) Also, quoting ZUN himself: "For the usual activities in doujin (uploading material on a homepage ...) ..., you do not need to notify me or request my permission. The copyright of derivative works belong to the creators of said derivatives. If there is trouble regarding the derivatives of my work, I cannot take responsibility." ZUN has specifically said that the copyright of Touhou derivative works belong to the creators of the derivatives. --  李博杰  &#124; —Talk contribs email 15:26, 27 March 2012 (UTC)
 * I missed that. If the translation is correct, then both pictures are fine and not a copyright issue. What remains is the uncertainty about other characters from which the author is unknown or clear that they had or will never have an original author. -- ／人 ◕ ‿‿ ◕ 人＼ 署名の宣言 18:16, 27 March 2012 (UTC)
 * If you wanted to verify authenticity, the original Japanese reads "なお、その創作物の著作権は二次創作作者のものになります. 二次創作物をめぐるトラブルが発生した場合も、当サークルでは一切責任を負いかねます. " As for the uncertainty regarding characters by other authors (i.e. non-Touhou), since I haven't uploaded any I guess there's not much for me to be worried about; however, did you have a proposal in mind, that you planned on promulgating on Commons? I'm assuming you've had something like this in mind for quite some time. I myself am not really sure regarding works that "will never have an original author", since I am under the impression that if you cannot verify the origin of a work, you cannot upload it onto Commons; for this very reason, I've nominated the deletion of various Reddit meme images from Commons, one example being commons:Commons:Deletion requests/File:Me-gusta-original.png. If something has "unknown" origin, Commons cannot run the risk of making assumption of there being no license holders, or so I've been told in the past. --  李博杰  &#124; —Talk contribs email 18:57, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

EIIPRC
You might want to put this on your watchlist- Ethnic issues in the People's Republic of China since someone readded the cantonese slurs and reverted to John Cruel's version. Its mistake to watch only the account's edits, the article should be watched instead. In another couple of months, he will be back.Green Kandymam (talk) 21:00, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

Consequences of the PRC → China move discussion
In the course of the previous move request discussion in August 2011 it was reaffirmed that other articles, categories, etc., wouldn't be affected. This principle was reaffirmed in CfD in October 2011 and February 2012. But this article was moved. Please discuss at Talk:Demographics of Greater China. Thanks. 119.237.156.246 (talk) 18:06, 19 March 2012 (UTC)

Romanization
The Qin, Han, Tang, Ming, and Qing dynasties were all pre-pinyin as well. Even Mao Zedong was pre-pinyin. The MOS mentions only the lede as requiring pinyin. But I can't think of a good reason why the lede should have one romanization, but the rest of the article another. The spelling used in a city's article title is the obvious first choice for use generally. Kauffner (talk) 10:07, 3 April 2012 (UTC)
 * At least the article should incorporate one of each version at least once. For example, Chunghwa Minkuo in the infobox as it would have been originally used administratively (e.g. on postage stamp notes alongside "Chinese Republic"), and the pinyin in the lede using the zh template; cities in prose, when referred to for the first time, can be written as "Canton (today Guangzhou)". The thing with this is, many readers, when looking through the references or searching for additional reading after reading the Wikipedia article (because you should never cite Wikipedia for your high school essay, right? ;D) will come across older terms, and may become confused as to what they mean. If the article makes it clear that the names are equivalent, then there's no beef, right? I'm not saying that we shouldn't use HYPY because the 1912 ROC predates HYPY, instead I'm saying that it wouldn't hurt to use both forms. --  李博杰  &#124; —Talk contribs email 13:37, 3 April 2012 (UTC)
 * To clarify why people might be confused, I remember back when I was in college (what we call the later years of secondary education in most Australian states) many students in my history class were confused as to why Mao Zedong was sometimes called Mao Tse-tung in textbooks, along with Beijing/Peking, Canton/Guangzhou, and Tao/Dao. What's even more confusing was that the prescribed textbook for the class uses "Jiang Jieshi" in prose, but Chiang Kai-shek for image captions for some reason. People do get confused over romanizations, and it would be helpful for the reader to incorporate both. --  李博杰   &#124; —Talk contribs email 13:42, 3 April 2012 (UTC)

Purpose
Hi,

Just a few questions regarding your recent edits on the Aziz Shavershian - what is the exact purpose of this? - it seems to link to this forum; and other than it mentioning the subject "Zyzz", how is it reliable and relevant? Thank you, -- <font color="#000080">MST <font color="#800080">☆ <font color="#000080">R  <font color="#0000FF">(Chat Me!) 03:55, 7 April 2012 (UTC)

Tripcode
This is an entirely unnecessary addition to the template. We do not need to completely change a template just to give one minor bit of trivia about "Zyzz". No other Internet personality has a tripcode associated with them, and we do not need to list Shavershian's either.— Ryulong (<font color="Gold">竜龙 ) 04:23, 7 April 2012 (UTC)
 * My post is above yours, BTW, but could someone please explain to me, what it is? The link in the article just links up to a forum... -- <font color="#000080">MST <font color="#800080">☆ <font color="#000080">R  <font color="#0000FF">(Chat Me!) 04:28, 7 April 2012 (UTC)
 * @Ryulong: Alright then, make sense I guess.


 * @MelbourneStar: Zyzz was somewhat of a regular on 4chan's /fit/ (Health and Fitness) board; a tripcode is a form of personal identification, essentially an alphanumeric hash that is associated with someone's identity. For example, Christopher Poole's tripcode is !Ep8pui8Vw2, and I'm pretty sure Skrillex had a one on /mu/ (Music) as well. In addition, quite a significant number of Japanese celebrities and public personalities have their own trips. There used to be an article at tripcode explaining it, but it got AfDed for lack of notability, and then redirected to imageboard. Normal tripcodes like Zyzz's (i.e. ones that aren't secure trips beginning with !!) are universal amongst all imageboard websites, since they use the same salt hash, meaning that a person can have an identical trip on 4chan, Futaba channel, 2channel, Krautchan, Uboachan, /bun/, 2ch.so, Komica, et cetera, essentially making tripcodes a reliable method of identifying someone's online activities, as long as they intentionally wish to be identified (tripcodes are optional, and most people post anonymously). The linked archive on /fit/ (attempted to) confirm Zyzz's tripcode, albeit not so well, since it was only a mention; the no-ip.org archive is permanently shut down, meaning that I am unable to find a specific post made by Zyzz's trip. (You could say that I was trying to look for a primary source, but failed, and settled with a half-assed archive-searching attempt) Posts on 4chan are automatically purged and deleted once they age, and some boards have unofficial off-site archives; the only one for /fit/ was archive.no-ip.org. --  李博杰  &#124; —Talk contribs email 07:13, 7 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Well, the fact that the article on the subject was deleted shows that it is not important to mention at all.— Ryulong (<font color="Gold">竜龙 ) 06:51, 8 April 2012 (UTC)

Zhuang Sawndip
There seem to be a number of problems with the recent edits made by you to the Sawndip page. Rather than just remove all of them with out explanation I thought it might be best to put a few comments here. The images used seem to be very odd examples, in general examples should representative, and items which are unusual noted as such. There seem to be a number of images added that seem to not really fit the context - for example under characters based on other scripts you placed several examples however though these are not Chinese characters it would seem hard to say they come from another script. The section 'Regional Differences' would seem to be based on a article in which case it would be good to say which article, and to make sure that the quote is not out of context. Though again the accuracy of the information is somewhat questionable as <平果嘹歌-恋歌集> published about 6 years ago uses 咘 for mboq over 70 times ( see http://gdzhdb.l10n-support.com/cgi-bin/findPG2-image.cgi?sample_text=mboq++%E5%92%98 ) uses 㳍 for mboq over 40 times (http://gdzhdb.l10n-support.com/cgi-bin/findPG2-image.cgi?sample_text=%E3%B3%8D++mboq )but does not use 呇 at all! Even with out such information the fact that 㳍 and 咘 have the same phonetic component and that mboq is pronounced the same way in all 5 places named would make it surprising if there was such a difference! Johnkn63 (talk) 10:50, 15 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Sorry if my edits seemed a bit problematic. I've essentially copied the format that both zhwiki and jawiki use when listing the character types. I'm not sure which source the regional differences were mentioned in, I've seen it but I cannot remember the exact article. --  李博杰  &#124; —Talk contribs email 08:28, 16 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Now I am a little clearer. As far as the characteristics are concerned this is rather mixing chalk and cheese since the English article currently has a list based loosely on Bauer's approach by the Chinese and Japanese versions use the six classical principles of character formation, which Bauer considers to be inadequate. This section could be improved but taking the examples from one system and placing them in a different system will not work. As to regional differences here you copy the Japanese wiki which does not give a source. It is based in some way on 张元生's list, being related to characters 90, 91 and 92 though possibly another Chinese scholar using 张元生's idea's. Best is to use reliable sources, or at least ones that can be quoted. Johnkn63 (talk) 15:18, 16 April 2012 (UTC)

Chinese translation
Long time no contact. Could somebody translate this South Korean illegal surveillance incident article into Putonghua? It's one of the hottest issues in South Korea right now. Komitsuki (talk) 14:47, 21 April 2012 (UTC)
 * I've heard about this incident before. At the moment, I don't seem to have plenty of spare time to dedicate to translating this article. You might be able to find someone to help you at either WT:CHINA or zh:维基百科讨论:Guestbook for non-Chinese speakers. --  李博杰  &#124; —Talk contribs email 10:59, 22 April 2012 (UTC)

Taiwan and that IP editor
Well, I have stopped, for today. I did overreact. I got sucked in. But what concerns me is that all my posts were reactions, to something I still believe was quite unacceptable.

I will accept the criticism, and not post there again for a while (at least in any sensitive way). But what we now have on display on that Talk page is some insulting garbage from that IP editor, some responses from me (and only me), and no explicit criticism of what that IP editor said apart from my own comments, which have now been (validly) criticised. Unless someone else criticises what that IP editor said that started it all, it stands as if it's valid comment. And it's not. It was completely unacceptable, insulting nonsense. And nobody else but me has condemned it.

I really would like someone else to call him on his provocative contribution (obviously more nicely than I first did).

See you on the project :-) HiLo48 (talk) 05:01, 29 April 2012 (UTC)


 * This is the issue though - it's not supposed to be a "he won, I lost" issue. Nobody "wins", but you keep thinking that online arguments are a win-lose scenario. The secret to "arguing on the internet" is to not care about the outcome - state your thoughts, then get out before the atmosphere gets tense and flaming begins. If you keep thinking that internet arguments are something that can be "won", then you're bound to get into further disputes and controversies, now and in the future. You shouldn't see this as a "I can't back down now, somebody is WRONG on the internet" kind of situation, but rather a "I believe I am right, and these are my points. Whether you ignore them or read them is up to you, and I trust other people reading this discussion to make appropriate judgments" situation instead.


 * I'll be frank - I used to be just like you when I first started off at Wikipedia. I'd call people "fucking retards" whenever they ignored my arguments, and I pushed the WP:CIVIL boundary so far that I was close to getting a pretty hefty block at times. Just look up my username at the WP:ANI archives. Eventually, I learned that having a "not giving a fuck" attitude saves you from a world of hurt - there is no benefit, at all, to get angry at someone on the internet. You don't even know who they are, whether they are a 12 year old kid trolling you, and even if you did "win", what is the positive outcome (apart from the temporary sensation of "victory")? Think about it.


 * At times, I would loathe the way you responded to my comments and those of others. Sometimes I wonder whether I should take your posts seriously or not, because the belligerence in your language is quite confronting, for myself and others. But I see this as an opportunity for you to change your understanding on "internet arguments", so that in the future, we can find common ground, ignore our past grievances, and contribute positively with each other. --  李博杰  &#124; —Talk contribs email 05:25, 29 April 2012 (UTC)


 * The point I above was not about winning. It was about the IP editor attacking other editors. I responded in kind, which I shouldn't have done. HiLo48 (talk) 05:54, 29 April 2012 (UTC)


 * Ignore them. If you maintain your dignity whilst letting the other guy look like an ass through making attacks, then when other editors come by and look, it would be clear to them that there is something wrong with the IP editor making the attack, and not you. If it was an admin, that person may get a stern warning, or even a block. By engaging tit-for-tat, you can't have the same thing happen now, can you? You don't have to point out really obvious bad behaviour, others will see and respond. However, by taking the bait and responding angrily, it brings greater attention to yourself, as seen in this current incident. Next time, use a different approach, and see how things turn out. --  李博杰  &#124; —Talk contribs email 06:07, 29 April 2012 (UTC)