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 * Kind regards, DA Sonnenfeld (talk) 16:52, 1 December 2013 (UTC)

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Feedback needed on using special characters
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 * Which character sets are useful to you? Should it include all 18 of the character sets provided in the wikitext editor's newer toolbar at the English Wikipedia, the 10 present in the older editor toolbar, or some other combination of character sets?
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 * Should there be a "priority" or "favorites" section for the 10 or 12 characters that most editors need most often? Is it okay if you need an extra click to go beyond the limited priority set?
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 * The wikitext editor has never included many symbols and characters, like ℗ and ♀. Do you find that you need these missing characters?  If the character inserter in VisualEditor includes hundreds or thousands of special characters, will it be overwhelming? How will you find the character you want? What should be done for users without enough space to display more than a few dozen characters?
 * Should the character inserter be statically available until dismissed? Should it hover near the mouse? Should it go away on every selection or 10 seconds after a selection with no subsequent ones?
 * Some people believe that the toolbar already has too many options—how would you simplify it?

The developers are open to any thoughts on how the special character inserter can best be developed, even if this requires significant changes. Please leave your views on the central feedback page, or, if you'd prefer, you can contact me directly on my talk page. It would be really helpful if you can tell me how frequently you need to use special characters in your typical editing and what languages or other special characters are important to you.

Thank you again for your work with VisualEditor and for any feedback you can provide. I really do appreciate it.

P.S. You might be interested in the current ideas about improving citations, too. Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 00:20, 18 February 2014 (UTC)

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Meleluca brevifolia
Hello Benny White,

Thanks for your edit to Melaleuca brevifolia. I am not sure this is a good/helpful edit however. Of the hundreds of Melaleuca, Banksia, Acacia and Eucalyptus articles, this appears to be the only one with the little pencil on it. It links to no useful page and that's why I removed it. If the taxonomy of this species were to change, lots of others will need to change too. (The taxonomy of some melaleucas is contentious anyway.) I also note that you have not added this symbol to the stub you created - Staphylea pinnata. By the way - that article's a great start. Why not add to it? There are lots of other in-line references about it - terrific stuff about growing it in the garden, about its discovery in a grave from the late Roman period and the cultural significance of the species in ethnobiology. Check out other plant pages for the best way to improve your article. I use Banksia articles because they're mostly written by an expert in both Australian plants and Wikipedia articles - Cas Liber. At least check out the relevant bits of WikiProject Plants.

Good luck.

Gderrin (talk) 05:21, 16 August 2015 (UTC)

I don't consider the pencil icon to be the most important feature. The reason I prefer the automatic taxobox system is that it allows article taxonomy to be more consistent with potentially much less effort. However, you're right that most articles don't currently use it. It's apparently frowned upon to go around changing existing articles (which is a separate discussion) but I always use speciesbox when creating new articles.

Also, I simply hadn't heard of it when I created Staphylea pinnata. I have somewhat limited time these days, but I'll see if I can expand that article. Thanks for your input! Benny White (talk) 05:52, 16 August 2015 (UTC)


 * Mate! Wikipedia is all about changing existing articles. It's just that people get their nickers in a knot when someone reverts changes they've made. I'm sorry your time is limited but Staphylea pinnata is a very interesting species - no kidding. It desperately needs expansion. (I'm occupied with Australian species.) By the way, I think most of us use taxobox for plants.


 * Gderrin (talk) 13:02, 16 August 2015 (UTC)


 * Most people do use taxobox. I think the automatic taxobox system is significantly better, but I thought I read that the WP:PLANTS consensus was against changing taxoboxes to automatic taxobox or speciesbox. However, I didn't find that when I looked it up (see WikiProject Plants/Automatic taxobox). At any rate, when creating an article or editing existing taxonomy, the automatic system should be used in my opinion.


 * And I found a useful source on S. pinnata, which does look more interesting than I realized. Benny White (talk) 00:26, 18 August 2015 (UTC)

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