User talk:Benpadiah

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disclaimer: these links are provided for further research about this user. http://www.benpadiah.com http://www.myspace.com/benpadiah http://www.myspace.com/ahdvnhay http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1062093915 http://benpadiah.blogspot.com/ http://www.youtube.com/user/benpadiah http://www.scribd.com/people/view/1404422-jonathan-barlow-gee http://people.icq.com/people/about_me.php?uin=477193182 http://www.meetup.com/members/2598585/ http://twitter.com/benpadiah MSNMessenger = benpadiah@hotmail.com Skype = benpadiah if you have any questions or would like to make a comment regarding this information, please email this user @ benpadiah@gmail.com and do not just arbitrarily delete this page, providing no explanation to the user, and then threaten said user with further deletions when said user asks you why. Like MZMcBride's userpage pic dejour states: "Assume Good Faith."

- source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Benpadiah

From: Benpadiah Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2009 04:25:17 +0000 To: MZMcBride Subject: just curious

heya,

you'd deleted my user page citing CS2. I don't understand the reason for this. I've recreated the page now. I would appreciate it if you didn't delete it again without at least notifying me that you are doing so. If you don't mind my asking, what was the reason you deleted it in the first place? Thanks in advance for your patience in replying to this. It is not of any particular importance to me. I am, as the subject header says: just curious.

Peace, - Jon

heya,

sure thing, the link is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Benpadiah and, as I said, I've restored the page now. When you'd deleted it (which I think was in November of 08), there wasn't anything on it. Now I've put some info up on it. I expect that you'd deleted it because there wasn't anything on it yet, but I don't understand the reason given (CS2). Anyway, as I say, now that it has info on it, it shouldn't be a problem, so this is just a curiosity email, and not a complaint or an important issue of any kind. Peace,

- Jon

wow. You're being rude. Why? That is a User page, and those are links to other sites for further research on that user. Go ahead and delete it if you like, but if you do I will report you for doing so, since you have provided me no reason for it. I'm new to the wiki-community, and I haven't begun to contribute to articles yet. I want to make sure any contributions I make will meet quality standards. I'll contribute when I'm ready. And you need to calm down and stop randomly deleting people's user-pages for no reason. Those links are provided for research purposes. Not because they are "my favourite sites." Now, if you don't have a reason to have deleted my page, just admit it, and move on. All I did was ask you why you'd done it. Don't threaten me with deleting it again when I didn't do anything but ask you a reasonable question which you still have not answered. I can't believe the calibre of people you meet online. You don't own wikipedia, mr. or mrs. McBride. You need to excercise restraint in your activities. Randomly deleting information from wiki is against the rules, and if you can't provide me with a reason why you deleted the page in the first place, I'll be compelled to report you for that. If you delete the page again, I will report that too. And if you send me anymore emails threatening me with protocol, I'll be forced to report you for that too. What a grouch. Grow up, find a way to meaningfully contribute, and leave me alone from here on out. I'll contribute when I'm ready. Not because you threaten me. Peace, - Jon

benpadiah 21:01, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

Third Opinion
Could someone clarify what the issue is please? Welshleprechaun (talk) 22:33, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

Clarification
the acct. and related userpage for "Benpadiah" was originally generated in Feb. 2008. The Userpage was left blank, containing no text or pictures. In Nov. 08, the Userpage was deleted by user/admin MZMcBride, citing reason: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:CSD#G2 In Feb. 09, the owner of acct. related to userpage "Benpadiah" reinstated the userpage, as it appears now, and contacted user/admin MZMcBride asking for clarification of the reason for deletion. The emails are given on this page (talk:Benpadiah). User/admin MZMcBride failed to provide any further explanation, as per request, and instead threatened user Benpadiah with userpage deletion for the current posted content. That brings us up to date.

further explanation: I (user: Benpadiah) am a new member, and do not yet know proper coding, protocol or requirements for creating a user-page or for editing articles. Therefore, I have only created a userpage, had not posted anything to it, and have only posted the current content on it due to my belief it was originally deleted for being blank. When I asked for further clarification on this issue, I was told my userpage would be deleted if I did not begin to edit articles. I am unprepared at this time to begin doing so, but I do not want to have my userpage deleted because of that. I am still completely uncertain as to what I am supposed to do in this situation, and am open to absolutely ANY advice, so long as it is meant to be constructive and not simply dismissive. Thanks for your response, WelshLephrechaun, and please forgive me for any confusing coding I've done so far. I am very new, and still learning the ropes. Thank you. Peace, - Jon

benpadiah 00:05, 7 February 2009 (UTC)


 * I don't understand what the material on your user page is about? Perhaps this belongs in a sandbox, which is like a subpage of a user page and can be created by typing on the user page (without spaces): [ [ / Sandbox ] ]
 * User accounts get deleted in the same way Hotmail accounts do, i.e. if they're not used (properly), they take up valuable space and get deleted. I haven't heard MZMcBride's side of the story but administrators should be helpful and provide reasons for their actions, but if you don't intend to make any edits on Wikipedia, why do you want to have an account? Welshleprechaun (talk) 01:55, 7 February 2009 (UTC)

I have removed portions of the content from this page. To find out why, I invite you to review Harassment. Regards, Rjd0060 (talk) 02:05, 7 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Let's take a look at the logs. On June 24, 2008, Benpadiah created an account. On June 26, 2008, Benpadiah created his user page with the content ".". On November 9, 2008, I deleted the user page as a test edit from a user with zero contributions to anything other than his user page. And now Benpadiah has decided to use his user page as a directory of links to other projects he's involved with. We expect (and require) that our users will contribute to the encyclopedia. That's why this website exists. If a user isn't contributing the encyclopedia, they do not get a user page. This view has been supported by the community at large. And I think "dejour" on your user page is supposed to be "de jure"? --MZMcBride (talk) 02:15, 7 February 2009 (UTC)

first, I do intend to contribute content to wikipedia, however I have not done so yet, for various personal reasons. If the content currently on the Userpage is not proper content for a Userpage, please let me know what would be proper content for it, and I will gladly ammend it to reflect such. Second, thanks for editing out the content of MZMcBride's emails, though it does make my conversation with him/her seem very imbalanced and one-sided. Third, all I would ask for in future correspondences with mr. / mrs. McBride and the other wiki admins is for them to be polite (and not sarcastic) and for them to follow any proper protocols for letting a User know when and why they have completely erased their sole content. If this was a contribution to a published article, I would expect controversy if I asked for an explanation of an edit. But this is my Userpage, and it does not need to be either A) deleted without notifying me, and without any explanation; nor B) threatened with deletion by any admin solely for their own personal reasons. I will gladly ammend its content, if necessary, to reflect standards. I will not, however, tolerate being threatened with a deleted page or account for no apparent, nor any explicable, reason. If these expectations of mine, to be treated with due respect by the other editors in this community - the same respect I gladly give others - are not fair, then I guess I really am not welcome here, and I will leave. Otherwise, thanks for the replies and thanks to all who have responded on this matter. I hope to begin contributing more soon. Peace, - Jon benpadiah 03:04, 7 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Hi! Feel free to take a look at WP:User_page for a guideline to what kind of content is proper for a user page. Oh, and another tip: to automatically sign your comments, simply type four tildes, like this: ~ at the end of your comment. decltype 11:52, 7 February 2009 (UTC)


 * MZMcBride had full right to delete the account because the user page seemed to only have been used for storing links etc. It doesn't seem to be for his personal reasons. If s/he didn't point out to you the explaination, s/he should have but there doesn't seem to have been any threatening. Decltype has just pointed out what a user page should be used for so I think you should take a look at that. User pages on Wikipedia are not the same as those for MySpace etc. If you're not ready to contribute to Wikipedia, then there's no reason why your account should remain active. When you are, feel free to create a new account (should it get deleted - which according to guidelines, it should). You are of course welcome on Wikipedia, but only to make constructive edits. When you're ready to start contributing, feel free to ask for any help on my talk page. Welshleprechaun (talk) 15:05, 7 February 2009 (UTC)

Thanks again for all your opinions. Having read over the content at WP:User_page, I have decided to continue to leave the current content (list of links to my website, IM and email contact info, etc.) for the time being. My reasoning is as follows (quoted from WP:User_page)::

"Some people add information about themselves as well, possibly including contact information (email, instant messaging, etc), a photograph, their real name, their location, information about their areas of expertise and interest, likes and dislikes, homepages, and so forth."

- source: WP:User_page

If any of you feel this content is inappropriate or offensive, or deserves deletion, I will accept your authority to delete it. Again, all I request is a reasonably satisfactory explanation of why. The initial content of page User:Benpadiah was, as MZMcBride has pointed out, not links. Nor was it, however, a "test page," warranting deletion for the reason of it being better suited for a "sandbox" testpage. That is where my initial disagreement lay: I was not asked if the reason MZMcBride assumed for their deletion of the page was valid, and, being as how it was my own Userpage, I felt I should have at least been notified of the deletion at the time it occured, or, barring that, provided with a polite explanation when I requested such from user/admin MZMcBride. As user Welshleprechaun pointed out, "administrators should be helpful and provide reasons for their actions," and furthermore that "s/he should have." Since I received no notification, and have not yet been provided any explanation for why the page itself was deleted in the first place, I have no choice but to conclude that MZMcBride must have been in breach of proper protocol for wikipedia editing rules. If my conclusion to this regard seems insulting or out of place, please look at it from my point of view, however low you feel you may have to stoop below your own ideal standards to do so. I created an account, have spent time researching articles and studying, only to return to find my userpage deleted without explicable explanation, and then to be told, in effect, I do not deserve to have an account unless I contribute immediately. That is an ultimatum, whether intended as "threatening" or not, and, though I am unfamiliar with the netiquette and guidelines on this issue, I doubt it would meet well with any of you if the tables were turned and I had the authority to propose such a seemingly arbitrarily ultimatum to any of you. I look forward to contributing, but I consider this a major set-back in my time-frame for doing so, since now I feel obligated to study every last niche of the guidelines for creating content before I begin to do so. My credo is "Quality Over Quantity." Whether you agree or disagree with this credo, I do not agree that that should be reason enough to delete my userpage, or make a pejorative claim such as "according to guidelines, it should..." be deleted. According to my own research, the guidelines do not preclude the content I have posted now. If you disagree, again, all I would ask is that you let me know so before simply deleting my contributions. I am not here to cause any trouble, waste space, nor to not contribute anything ever. I will contribute, in my own good time, and will edit my userpage to reflect this intention so that there will be no further confusion on this issue, as per the guidelines on WP:User_page, which states, and again I quote: "If you will not be editing Wikipedia for a while, drop a note on your user page to that effect." I probably won't be back for as long as another month or two from now, since I've met with what I consider to be a majority hostile welcome, and would rather come back forewarned and forearmed before beginning to contribute. If, during this interim, any of you user/admins delete my page, I will simply recreate it to reflect "proper" content, and start the third-opinion process all over again. To avoid this situation being repeated, simply let my page alone. I won't even dignify this conversation by saying what my own opinions on this "process" are. You would probably only see my "bias" as a further excuse for comraderie amongst "your" community at the expense of the individual, eg. me. However even this is far too speculative for my own taste, so I will choose to leave this discussion for now, and hope that any further comments made on this page will respect my own satisfaction with this issue:

Topic Closed
a conclusion satisfactory to the claiment for third-opinion has been reached at this point. All subsequent commentators, please respect that the creator and primary maintainer of this page considers this issue closed. Again, thanks for all your input, especially the most helpful and unbiased comment by decltype. Thanks all of you, Peace, - Jon benpadiah 17:34, 7 February 2009 (UTC)