User talk:BenzoInfo

December 2018
Hello, I'm Ozzie10aaaa. I noticed that you recently removed content from Talk:Akathisia without adequately explaining why. In the future, it would be helpful to others if you described your changes to Wikipedia with an accurate edit summary. If this was a mistake, don't worry; the removed content has been restored. If you would like to experiment, please use the sandbox. If you think I made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page. do not blank editors post on article talk page as you did here https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Akathisia&diff=871555043&oldid=871554772 Ozzie10aaaa (talk) 22:34, 1 December 2018 (UTC)

3RR
Please keep this in mind as you edit. You will need consensus / a good source to get content included. Best Doc James  (talk · contribs · email) 22:43, 1 December 2018 (UTC)

The manufacturers label is a good source. Stop deleting my edit.
 * The manufacturers label DOES NOT support the content in you are adding. Please self revert. Doc James  (talk · contribs · email) 23:35, 1 December 2018 (UTC)

It does support it.


 * It doesn't matter whether the label is a good source or not. Doc James is editing in good faith, and you may not continually revert his edits to the article. Further, it is absolutely unacceptable for you to remove his comments at the talk page, as you did here. —C.Fred (talk) 23:45, 1 December 2018 (UTC)

Well it is bad faith if he continues to change cited edits because he doesn't agree. I didn't realize I edited his talk page. Stop editing my post. This is bullying, I can go get my friends to do the exact same. My edits are also in good faith. He isn't the boss of wikipedia.


 * This drama popped up on my watch list. You really must stop edit warring on articles and article talk pages. Just because akasthesia occurs slightly more often than placebo, does not prove it as an adverse effect because it could be due to chance and thus does not reach statistical significance. In any event, akasthesia in relation to benzodiazepines would be more associated with a withdrawal syndrome rather than an adverse effect, I would’ve thought. After you have typed a message on a talk page please click on the icon above which has a squiggly line beside the letter x. This will generate code which when you submit your message will automatically sign your user name, thanks.-- Literaturegeek |  T@1k?  23:48, 1 December 2018 (UTC)

I had it under withdrawal and he edited it out, said he didn't like my source, so I added this, and he edited it out. Like the dude needs to just go away unless he's asserting it has nothing to do with benzodiazepines. BenzoInfo (talk) 23:50, 1 December 2018 (UTC)

my original source by current psychiatry (not good enough and was edited and removed) https://mdedge-files-live.s3.us-east-2.amazonaws.com/files/s3fs-public/Document/September-2017/026_1214CP_Cook_Cov_FINAL.pdf BenzoInfo (talk) 23:52, 1 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Please read WP:MEDRS which will help you understand sourcing criteria for medical articles.-- Literaturegeek |  T@1k?  00:10, 2 December 2018 (UTC)

I just did, and changed it back to benzodiazepine withdrawal with the original source, I see nothing wrong with that source per wikipedia rules. BenzoInfo (talk) 00:13, 2 December 2018 (UTC) ```
 * Please self-revert your last edit and discuss the matter further. What is wrong with Wikipedia rules is that you are in gross violation of 3RR. I'm giving you the option to undo that last revert rather than just blocking your account now. —C.Fred (talk) 00:19, 2 December 2018 (UTC)

I did exactly what LG just said - that it falls more under withdrawal - someone just went and deleted everything in the list for some reason. Why would you block my account? Calm down. BenzoInfo (talk) 00:22, 2 December 2018 (UTC)


 * Why would I block your account? To prevent further disruption. Edit warring is disruptive. Have you not read WP:3RR, which was linked above? —C.Fred (talk) 00:23, 2 December 2018 (UTC)

I did read it. And I've moved on to the new edits in agreement with what LG said. There is nothing wrong with the edits I am making, what's wrong is someone is bullying me. BenzoInfo (talk) 00:24, 2 December 2018 (UTC)
 * I advise you to self-revert and discuss.-- Literaturegeek |  T@1k?  00:25, 2 December 2018 (UTC)


 * Umm, no. You reverteded the IP editor. —C.Fred (talk) 00:26, 2 December 2018 (UTC)

Who is deleting everything? There is no reason for that. The only thing for contention should be about my first source. BenzoInfo (talk) 00:27, 2 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Your edits have been reverted. Stop editing that article until you better understand WP:MEDRS or you will be blocked for draining people’s time/causing disruption.-- Literaturegeek |  T@1k?  00:31, 2 December 2018 (UTC)


 * Then you should engage in a discussion on the article's talk page and see if you can build consensus for your desired change. Clearly there is not consensus for the change right now. —C.Fred (talk) 00:30, 2 December 2018 (UTC)

OK I'll work on that later on, in a few days. I'm planning a study on this topic anyway so can cite it in the future. Would like it accurate now. BenzoInfo (talk) 00:31, 2 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Your study would need to be a secondary source such as a review paper published in a decent academic journal or book source. I have tried to find a recent good quality source for benzo withdrawal causing Akathisia but couldn’t find one. I have no doubt benzo withdrawal can produce this effect, but often reliable sources don’t list every single possible withdrawal effect as there can be hundreds of possible benzo withdrawal symptoms. Most reliable sources just give umbrella terms like sensory disturbances, anxiety, agitation, insomnia, etc. Thank you for agreeing to stopping edit warring. Wikipedia works by recent high quality reliable sources rather than the WP:TRUTH.-- Literaturegeek |  T@1k?  00:39, 2 December 2018 (UTC)


 * Which wording in the manufacturing label do you feel supports the text you wish to add? Doc James  (talk · contribs · email) 00:57, 2 December 2018 (UTC)

Treatment-Emergent Adverse Events Reported in Placebo-Controlled Trials of Anxiety Disorders lists all events with a 1% or higher instance in that study. It includes akathisia. I also could use this, but I don't like it as it's just one case study. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4820591/ BenzoInfo (talk) 01:04, 2 December 2018 (UTC)
 * It was 1.6 percent for Xanax versus 1.2 for placebo in the fda source is not a significant difference from placebo? Your other source is not a good quality source, seems to be a primary source/individual study.-- Literaturegeek |  T@1k?  01:50, 2 December 2018 (UTC)

Well in context, the lightheadedness is listed as a major side effect and isn't much higher than placebo. BenzoInfo (talk) 01:53, 2 December 2018 (UTC)

Same with dizziness, yet it's one of the most major warnings due to severity and the causing of slips and falls. BenzoInfo (talk) 01:55, 2 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Look at the table immediately below for panic disorder and it has alprazolam causing akisthesia 3.0 versus 4.3 for placebo. Your source does not support what you want to edit. No source, no edit, sadly.-- Literaturegeek |  T@1k?  02:00, 2 December 2018 (UTC)

Notice of Edit warring noticeboard discussion
Hello. This message is being sent to inform you that there is currently a discussion involving you at Administrators' noticeboard/Edit warring regarding a possible violation of Wikipedia's policy on edit warring. Thank you. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 23:39, 1 December 2018 (UTC)