User talk:Bereajan

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CS1 error on Berea College
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Conflict of interest
Hello, Bereajan. We welcome your contributions, but if you have an external relationship with the people, places or things you have written about on Wikipedia, you may have a conflict of interest (COI). Editors with a conflict of interest may be unduly influenced by their connection to the topic. See the conflict of interest guideline and FAQ for organizations for more information. We ask that you:


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 * Thanks. I have disclosed my COI. The changes I made are factual in nature. Do you recommend they be retracted and then proposed in the talk pages instead? Jan Pearce (talk) 11:01, 6 July 2023 (UTC)


 * It doesn't matter whether they are factual or not. Facts can be baised. When I added salaries information for Berea College and Eastern Kentucky University, I tried to be as close to the median salary as possible, but your addition of a specific major screwed it toward the higher side. In general, having a higher salary is not an indicator of the quality of instruction of a specific major. It tells more about the market demand. For the quality of instruction, it's more informative to compare with median salaries of the graduates in the industry or other similar nearby colleges. So, to conclude, I chose majors randomly to inform the readers that the "median salaries vary." In any case, it's best not to add anything you may have a COI. For now, I will just leave it at that unless some other editors dispute the information/addition. SMH2023s (talk) 23:50, 16 July 2023 (UTC)
 * I decided to remove the information because other than COI issues, it's highly variable based on the year you choose. It's only 38,472$ for 1st year after graduation, 40,478$ for second, and reached 65,875$ for fourth. By then the sample size has dropped to only 15, less than half of the original 31. SMH2023s (talk) 15:11, 20 July 2023 (UTC)
 * That make sense to me. I recommend removing all of the starting salary information from the page because the majors seemed randomly chosen and did not include the highest. Jan Pearce (talk) 17:22, 20 July 2023 (UTC)
 * As I said, the goal is to have a "general" representation that's closer to the school's median. Your "highest" salary is variable based on the year. For example, nursing is *the* highest for the first, second, and third years after graduation. It's only the "fourth" year, at which point graduates may have taken other degrees, that CS overtakes nursing. It's nothing to boast about as CS is generally high at most colleges. With only 39,226$ during the first year after graduation, Berea's CS salary is about 10% to 20% lower than nearby colleges like Eastern Kentucky University, which has fewer competitive students. To conclude, we can only include three or four without violating WP:INDISCRIMINATE. So, I believe the current representation is fair. SMH2023s (talk) 06:10, 26 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Hum... I am trying to keep an open mind, but I feel that listing a few seemingly randomly selected starting salaries (rather than all or the highest, lowest and middle) or some summary statistics is quite mis-leading. Statisticians typically report key statistics rather than cherry-pick specific examples without clear reasons for the specific choices.
 * I recommend these sentences about major starting salaries be replaced by a measure of central tendency like mean or median of staring salaries and also a measure of spread like range about starting salaries. 98.23.50.7 (talk) 17:41, 27 July 2023 (UTC)
 * I am also trying to keep an open mind as well and asumming good faiths, although there are exceptions. You should familiarize yourself with principles and guidelines. We don't work on what you think is "misleading." WP:COI is well established. WP:INDISCRIMINATE does not allow the listing of all salaries, but the salaries themselves are notable and meet inclusion standards. A good summary of a few commonly sought salaries while providing a link to all salaries is a generally accepted practice in situations like this. For example, Polling for United States presidential elections doesn't include all polls. Editors make judgement on which sources are reliable, and how much presentation reflects due weight.
 * The question is not about "statistics" but how about much presentation is due. Presenting all majors violates WP:INDISCRIMINATE and WP:DUE. Providing no salaries violates WP:DUE and WP:NPOV. Hence, we provide a summary with a link to all salaries (See WP:DETAIL). You seem to be unfamiliar with the data itself. The College Scorecard only provides medians, not ranges or spreads. Adding the "lowest salary" (Fine Art 65,00$) would be shocking and unncessary, as it's not commonly sought. It just doesn't work like that. As I said, the highest salary, nursing, is already included. Computer Science is high for fourth year but generally very low in the first, second, and thrid years. It's not neutral to include the fourth year without including the first few years. SMH2023s (talk) 11:03, 1 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Okay, you make some fair points. Thanks for your time and dedication. 35.0.19.77 (talk) 20:39, 1 August 2023 (UTC)