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Alanus de Rupe
Hi, since you seem to know Rosary related topics well, I am asking about Alanus Rupe. Is he a saint? If you look on his Wiki-page it says so. I am not really sure. Do you have any info? Thanks.

P.S. I just realized I may have confused you with user Maria Bernada. But it still costs nothing asks. Cheers. History2007 (talk) 15:16, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

He's not a saint. Yes I am same one with Maria Bernada.Bernadeta (talk) 18:28, 28 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Thanks, but another user found a church that says he is. How do we know which is the case? History2007 (talk) 16:59, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

On the Church's website it introduces Alan as "Blessed" Alan which means even they recognize him as just beatified. I think they just named the Church St. Alan's because it sounds better and is close enough. Bernadeta (talk) 18:28, 28 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Yes, good observation. Thanks. By the way, another question: Do the Eastern Catholics pray teh Rosary, or is it just a Roman Catholic devotion? Cheers. History2007 (talk) 19:29, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

I searched and it says some of them choose to:

Do Eastern Catholics pray the Rosary?

Some do. The Holy Rosary of the Blessed Virgin Mary is a Western Catholic prayer, but some Eastern Catholics choose to include it in their personal devotions.

Eastern Christians also have their own rosary, sometimes called the "Byzantine Rosary". This devotion involves the meditative recitation of the Jesus Prayer (Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, have mercy on me, a sinner!) one hundred times, along with some other prayers. The Jesus Prayers are counted on a prayer rope, called a komboschoinia in Greek or a chotki in Russian. It is made out of wool and has either 33, 50 or 100 special knots in it, each tied in a cross-like form. Sometimes, the prayers are said on a string of 100 beads.

The Byzantine Rosary is much older than the Western Rosary, dating back to the fourth century A.D.! It is an ancient and venerable Christian practice.

A thread on differences in Byzantine and Roman Catholic devotions: http://forums.catholic.com/showthread.php?t=197277 Bernadeta (talk) 04:20, 29 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Thank you for that info. That should probably be mentioned somewhere. The reason I thought about it is that the name of Catholic Church was subject to a huge debate - and I found out about it too late. So one has to be careful when defining devotions in Wikipedia now. So I even had to define Roman Catholic (term) a few days ago. Anyway, so you know. Cheers. History2007 (talk) 12:30, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

Hi Bernadeta and History2007, I called the church to ask them personally about the sainthood of St. Alan. They indeed were careful to have verification of his sainthood before having their church dedicated by a cardinal who has since passed away. They verified that Alanus de Rupe is a SAINT. They got their information from a cardinal of the Catholic Church who himself dedicated the church. (The only next highest authority after cardinals is the pope!) I will call them again to get more information. I wish to ask Bernadeta where she got her information about Alanus de Rupe. I will ask the church why they referred to him as "blessed" in the article. Elizabeth Hennigan (talk) 21:12, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

If you read the entire article, you will see that St. Alan is ALSO referred to as a SAINT at the end of the article:

www.stalanchurch.org

If you read Wikipedia's pages under "Canonization" you will find that in order for a Catholic Church to be named after a person, the person MUST be a canonized Saint. In the Catholic Church, this is an honor reserved for only those canonized..."Blesseds" are not entitled to this honor until they are Canonized Saints.

Wikipedia, Canonization

Please help me to set the record straight about St. Alanus de Rupe. As you may know, he is most known for his significant contribution to the promulgation of the Most Holy Rosary whose history, I am told, is something you are interested in.

Elizabeth Hennigan (talk) 21:21, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

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