User talk:Berture77

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April 2018
Hello, I'm Adam9007. I noticed that you recently removed content from Loreen Hall without adequately explaining why. In the future, it would be helpful to others if you described your changes to Wikipedia with an accurate edit summary. If this was a mistake, don't worry; the removed content has been restored. If you would like to experiment, please use the sandbox. If you think I made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thanks. Adam9007 (talk) 16:31, 2 April 2018 (UTC)

Your recent edits to Loreen Hall could give Wikipedia contributors the impression that you may consider legal or other "off-wiki" action against them, or against Wikipedia itself. Please note that making such threats on Wikipedia is strictly prohibited under Wikipedia's policies on legal threats and civility. Users who make such threats may be blocked. If you have a dispute with the content of any page on Wikipedia, please follow the proper channels for dispute resolution. Please be sure to comment on content, not contributors, and where possible make specific suggestions for changes supported by reliable independent sources and focusing especially on verifiable errors of fact. Thank you. Adam9007 (talk) 16:55, 2 April 2018 (UTC)

Deletion
A page can only be deleted if it meets our deletion policy. We cannot and do not delete pages just because its subject wants it to be. The way I see it, the only way it has any possibility of being deleted is if it is established that you are not notable. I am not an admin and therefore do not have the ability to delete pages. You may want to ask for advice at the Help Desk or the Teahouse (but I strongly suggest you don't mention anything about taking legal action, as that will be interpreted as a legal threat). Adam9007 (talk) 17:50, 2 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Hello, Berture77. I took a look at the page at Adam's request. We normally do include a page on anyone who participated in the Olympics, but I can ask around to see if it is possible to remove the page of someone who competed but did not medal. I don't see anything in the page of a personal or privacy-violating nature, which of course we could remove, but the information is just about your racing. Please be patient while this is worked out, and do not make legal threats. (As Adam noted, that can get you blocked from editing; I am willing to overlook the vague threat you made in your edit summary, but do not repeat that kind of thing.) Give me a few days to find out what is possible, OK? You can reply to me here or on my talk page. --MelanieN (talk) 18:12, 2 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Oh, and in the meantime stop removing info or blanking the article. That is not the way to do it and will only get you in trouble if you persist in it. The article has been there for months; a few more days won't hurt. --MelanieN (talk) 18:18, 2 April 2018 (UTC)
 * I got your email. Thank you. I will look into the issues you raised. --MelanieN (talk) 19:17, 2 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Is there a text version of the BBC interview? Adam9007 (talk) 20:11, 2 April 2018 (UTC)


 * Just thinking of what you said on the deletion page. What you have told us, like I said, actually makes you more deserving of having a Wikipedia entry, not less :) sorry! But if your concerns are based on the articles lack of completeness, that's something tangible we can work on. You see, the fact that—at this moment in time—it being incomplete isn't a reason to remove it I'm afraid (if it was, we would have almost no artices!!! And, of course, because it's "the encyclopaedia anyone can edit" that means it's effectively on-going, and never really finished). However—on a lighter note—if you can get hold of sources that back up the additional info you've provided, then we will happily use the new material and tell your complete story. The only thing is, the stuff to go in has to have been be discussed in what we call reliable sources; that's usually news reports, newspapers, books, that kind of thing—facebook pages, blogs and random internet pages do not normally suffice. But hopefully it won't be a problem—what d'you say? All the best! —SerialNumber54129  paranoia / cheap shit room 15:05, 4 April 2018 (UTC)


 * Yes, @SerialNumber54129 I'd now like to work on improving the article, so will be withdrawing my deletion request.Berture77 (talk) 20:26, 5 April 2018 (UTC)

Responding to your email
I got your email asking me how you can withdraw your request for deletion. I'm confused; as recently as yesterday, you said at the Articles for Deletion discussion that you would still like to have it deleted. You need to make clear, at that discussion, whether you are asking for deletion or would like the request for deletion withdrawn. If you want it withdrawn, say so clearly in a separate line headed by a bold heading like this: *Withdrawing my request for deletion and sign it. Since you used a different email address when you emailed directly to Wikipedia (what we call the OTRS system), for clarity it might be best if you write to them again, using the same email address you used when you asked for deletion, and formally withdrew the request.

Meanwhile, you are looking for some changes in the article. The deletion discussion is not a good place to make those requests, because it is not a permanent part of the article. You should copy the information you think is missing to Talk:Loreen Hall and discuss it there. You should be aware that Wikipedia does not rate all medals the same; it depends on the prestige of the competition. Anything Olympic will always be mentioned in the article's lead paragraph. Other medals may or may not be mentioned there. There are several people in the discussion now who are experts on our athletic coverage, and they can help to improve the article in line with Wikipedia's usual standards. Please realize that nobody ever set out to make you look bad; it was probably more a matter of what information they could find sources for. Pinging User:My name is not dave, User:Lugnuts, and User:L1975p. (One other comment: in the article you will be referred to as "Hall", not "Loreen"; that is our practice for all articles about people.) --MelanieN (talk) 19:59, 5 April 2018 (UTC)
 * @Melanie I've had some space to think about things. It was the choice of wording used, in the original article that I found offensive, such as (failed) and not leading the article by mentioning I competed in the Seoul Olympic Games as opposed to leading with the bronze medal that I found upsetting. I'm still not happy with it, but with my input and further sourcing it can be improved. I know nothing about how Wiki works and when I first saw the article on me it was upsetting. A Wiki  member reached out to me and explained I can contribute to the article and rearrange the wording with explanation why and reputable sourcing.Berture77 (talk) 20:22, 5 April 2018 (UTC)Berture77 (talk) 20:29, 5 April 2018 (UTC)
 * As for the email you sent to me (I assume it's the same), what can I say that hasn't already been said? BLP material must be supported by a reliable, independent (preferably secondary) source. I notice that on the AfD someone said they have tried to find some but have failed, which is probably why some information is missing. Adam9007 (talk) 22:25, 5 April 2018 (UTC)


 * @Adam9007, @MelanieN, @SerialNumber54129, @L1975p I would like to make a small change in the last sentence of the article, which will not take out of context, what was written before. It currently reads:
 * At the Seoul Olympics, she reached the quarter-finals, running 53.13 in heat one and 53.42 in heat two. I would like it to read:
 * At the Seoul Olympics, she achieved Quarter Final status, running 53.13 in heat one and 53.42 in heat two. (So it reads as an achievement).
 * I changed it to that but it was removed... Is there a logical reason why it can't be written as outlined in the 3rd bullet point above?Berture77 (talk) 12:55, 7 April 2018 (UTC)Berture77 (talk) 12:57, 7 April 2018 (UTC)Berture77 (talk) 13:05, 7 April 2018 (UTC)

An Honest Mistake By A New User

 * @Lugnuts, @L1975p, @Adam9007, @SerialNumber54120, first may I apologise for the rule I broke by editing the article. I was under the belief anyone could edit an article, as long as they left an explanation of the change. (I now know I'm not supposed to edit the article.)
 * I'm seeking some advice, @L1975p I remember reading in the discussion, where you said if I can provide correct source for the Australia Games in which I competed in and won 3 Gold Medals for the 100m, 200m and 400m, that you would include it in the article. Should I let you know on this page when I have supporting source for these wins?
 * I've since discovered Wiki recognises the Australia Games that took place in Melbourne and Victoria Jan - Feb 1985.
 * Question: In the chart you created to show Wiki Recognised Track Meetings, I competed in, Representing Great Britain, can you include the Australia Games with the 3 gold medals I won at those games? Once you have the correct source to back it?
 * Question: at the beginning of the article where you mention me winning bronze at the European Juniors, the 3 gold medals I won at the Australia Games were 3 major wins by me as an individual athlete, whilst representing Great Britain, which I won before the European Junior. Can the mention of these wins be inserted before you mention the bronze I won at The European Juniors? Since they precede the European Juniors.Berture77 (talk) 12:28, 8 April 2018 (UTC)

Responding To Your Concern

 * @MelanieN please note, I am made an honest mistake. I did not know I couldn't edit the article, since I read in the discussion, anyone can edit an article, as long as they leave their reasons why and what they write can be supported by reputable source. However, I now know I need to explain why something that's relevant, should be added. Is this Correct?
 * I am not trying to make myself look good, as you're suggesting to others. I am only interest in making sure the relevant missing facts, of my athletic career is added and that the story is written according to order of relevant events. Berture77 (talk) 12:31, 8 April 2018 (UTC)