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Disruptive edits/abuse of noticeboard
Dear Beshogur,

I advise you to stop reverting properly sourced contributions to Turk-related articles and the abuse of the noticeboard with your frivolous 3RR claims. Your tone as an editor on the Gokturks article has been catty and pugnaciously combative, which is definitely not going to help your case when I inevitably file a report of my own about you. Fair warning.

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Edit suggestion on Turkic peoples
Hello Beshogur, could you please include the following study by Peter Golden 2018 which proposes the homeland of early Turkic peoole in northern China, specifically Gansu. Here is the link:https://www.researchgate.net/publication/326609440_The_Ethnogonic_Tales_of_the_Turks (if this link does not work: https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/0971945818775373) Thank you!TürkSamurai (talk) 21:49, 9 January 2020 (UTC)

TürkSamurai was a sockpuppet
See Sockpuppet investigations/WorldCreaterFighter. Doug Weller talk 14:25, 11 January 2020 (UTC)
 * So what has this doing to do with me? I did not even answered his question. Beshogur (talk) 17:31, 11 January 2020 (UTC)

Please stop your disruptive editing. If you continue with this behaviour in Wikipedia, you may be blocked from editing. The changes being made regarding the following articoes; Turkish Armed Forces casualties in Syria and Armenians in the Ottoman EmpireMr.User200 (talk) 22:15, 12 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Well then, it should need a dispute tag then. Also the map is orginal research. Beshogur (talk) 22:18, 12 January 2020 (UTC)

About “secular state” of turkey
Turkey is a secular state. but why should write the word "secular" in the religion column. as if to say Turkish people have no religion. like France, although secular, religious statistics are still included. we are talking numbers not systems Kebajikan111 (talk) 19:45, 22 February 2020 (UTC)

March 2020
Hello, I'm Miniapolis. Wikipedia is written by people who have a wide diversity of opinions, but we try hard to make sure articles have a neutral point of view. Your recent edit to Cossacks seemed less than neutral and has been removed. If you think this was a mistake, or if you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page. This edit to the lead of the article (without an edit summary) introduced a factual error, according to reliable sources.  Mini  apolis  02:11, 11 March 2020 (UTC)
 * What? I changed it to "are" to "were", whats wrong? You are confusing me with someone else. Beshogur (talk) 10:40, 11 March 2020 (UTC)
 * The diff I linked to above indicates otherwise. According to the 2010 Russian census, the Cossacks a recognized ethnic group; your edit to the lead (without an edit summary) changed the tone of the whole article. Please don't do that again.  Mini  apolis  14:08, 11 March 2020 (UTC)

Notice of edit warring noticeboard discussion
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Beshogur
Please dont continuesly put false info about the term neutralized on Turkey related operations by changing surrendered to wounded that make it falsely appear as if Turkey's anti terror OPs arent as successful. Ive had to correct you multiple times on this on my time on Wiki. The sources provides clearly state neutralized as being killed, surrendered or captured, with the possible exception for operation Spring Shield in Idlib. Sjajanamaj (talk) 16:44, 20 March 2020 (UTC)
 * So you accept that you are a sockpuppet. How can you correct me different times? Beshogur (talk) 16:52, 20 March 2020 (UTC)

Disruptive Edits.
Stop making disruptive edits made by me or other user. As you did here.1. If you dont like a edit made on a article be civil and dont revert by reverting. See the talk page of the article in the entry made by 117.199.89 187. Mr.User200 (talk) 13:14, 27 March 2020 (UTC)
 * You're both being childish. Beshogur, rather than reverting Mr.User200's addition, you could have corrected it. Mr.User200, you should not have reinstated your addition without fixing it.--Bbb23 (talk) 13:17, 27 March 2020 (UTC)
 * But clearly not a Vandalism. Rv stands for vandalism. I will correct any spelling error now.Mr.User200 (talk) 13:23, 27 March 2020 (UTC)
 * The spelling was already corrected by someone else before the revert. 1 Beshogur.Why you reverted if it was ok by that time???Mr.User200 (talk) 13:27, 27 March 2020 (UTC)
 * "thrid". Beshogur (talk) 15:01, 27 March 2020 (UTC)

Doogh Ayran konusunu saptiran bazi Iranlilar var gôktürk donemine ait belgeler olmasina ragmen ayran resmi ekletmeye bile izin vermiyorlar. Ustune ustluk Ermeni resmi koymuslar. Wiki tecrubem fazla yok yardimci olabilirmisiniz lutfen. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cengizsogutlu (talk • contribs) 21:30, 2 April 2020 (UTC)

Simply change back the link then
Stop converting Oghuz Turkic to -> Turkmen. Even this sentence is sorely wrong: "They were known as Turkmen or Turkoman tribal federation, the fact that virtually all contemporary historians support, and not as Oghuz Turkic, simply because it is assumed that that title had been non-existent by 14th century" How is that title non existent if the Byzantines were using it and basicly a state called Oghuz Yabgu State existed back then. Reconsider your edits. Beshogur (talk) 17:08, 7 April 2020 (UTC) - Oghuz Yabgu state did not exist in 14th century, what world do you live in, Europa Universailis 4? I understand that the term Turkoman may not entirely mean present-day Turkmens, and trust me, I wanted to link Kara Koyunlu's Turkoman to the Turkoman page, however and unfortunately, it is a disambiguation page, which means it will be a target for disambots. Therefore, I will keep "Turkoman" in the article, but perhaps replace the link with the Oghuz Turks one. Visioncurve (talk) 03:28, 8 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Are you joking? You could've wrote an answer to what I've put on your page. Beshogur (talk) 10:23, 8 April 2020 (UTC)
 * It is meant for those who will visit your talk page in the future and learn that you edit History and Turkic-related articles according to your own, purely subjective beliefs. By reading older posts in your talk page, I can see that your reputation speaks for itself. Visioncurve (talk) 11:51, 8 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Stop your manipulative edits please. What has this to do with Oghuz Yabgu. So you are basicly denying yourself. Oghuz Yabgu state is older, and you claim that "Oghuz" term didn't existed back in 14th century. So it suddenly disappeared? Beshogur (talk) 12:20, 8 April 2020 (UTC)

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 * Wow didn't expected that. Thanks. Beshogur (talk) 15:04, 9 April 2020 (UTC)
 * I did want to apologize to you for draftifying the article back in November for being incomplete, specifically this section. The presence of empty sections, and several other small sections, led me to moving your article to draftspace. However, in hindsight after I've gain more experience draftifying articles, I see that the article could have stayed in mainspace with the empty section, so I resubmitted the article at AfC, even if the operation ended a few months ago. Regardless, the article got accepted, so there is some good news! Utopes (talk / cont) 21:18, 9 April 2020 (UTC)

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Re-addition of Category:Azerbaijani people to Iğdır Province
Hi there. I'm wondering why you re-added Category:Azerbaijani people to Iğdır Province? If you look at the explanation of the category, it's for notable Azerbaijani people. While Azerbaijani people may live in Iğdır Province, that does not automatically make the category relevant for the article. If you've got any questions, I'm happy to answer. Phuzion (talk) 14:30, 30 April 2020 (UTC)

May 2020
Hi Beshogur.

I know we had a couple of big and amusing discrepancies over the past few months, but at the moment I have a much bigger one with one particular user who, in my opinion, distorts history of Turkic peoples in an effort to praise his own people and country. The conflict arose after what I tried to swap relevant templates in Samanid Empire article and added the word “Turkic” in front of the Afsharid dynasty.

I’m therefore extending to you my hand of friendship with a strong belief that it’s better to team up and leave our differences behind to withstand similar conflicts together as it seems that we are both doing our best to protect same beliefs, common values and truth. -- Visioncurve '' Haec lux solis, relinquentes senex mundi 11:32, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

Conversation on My Talk Page
I have left a reply to your comment on my talk page. Muffin of the English (talk)

Sir I am on mobile phone, so might be confused. I actually answered to him. Also I have no idea what he is talking about. Beshogur (talk) 00:04, 11 May 2020 (UTC)

Ertuğrul
I hope I read your intent right. I was looking at the google-translated version, and didn't see anything about Gunduz and the coin, but he was disguised as "Daytime Alp". GT and Turkish are not the best of friends, though it helps. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 20:08, 12 May 2020 (UTC)
 * At second paragraph: "Nitekim ele geçen Osman Bey’e ait bir sikkede “Osman b. Ertuğrul b. Gündüz Alp” ibaresinin bulunması bu fikri daha da güçlendirmiştir." Gündüz means daytime :). It says there are minted coins belonging to Osman where is says "Osman Bin Ertugrul bin Gunduz Alp", another source which was added before states the same at page 35 I believe. by the way, if you're interested, it is said that Suleiman ibn Qutulmish is the guy who was drowned, no one knows the truth. In his orginal tomb, this says 1086. For example look at this. Actually it is also weird that II Abulmejid thanked Ataturk for holding the soil where the tomb layed. Beshogur (talk) 20:17, 12 May 2020 (UTC)
 * This bit of history seems a bit of a mess (hardly unique). It would be interesting to see what Turkmen sources say, I like the statue, wonder when it was made? Wikipedians will do their best. Of course, in the minds of many the historical authority is now Diriliş: Ertuğrul. By the way, if you have anything good on when Osman I's mother turned up in sources, feel free to improve that article as well. I looked for her in the islamansiklopedisi, but HALİME HATUN ASHTRAY (thank you, GT) seems unrelated.


 * If you think this was a bad idea, feel free to revert. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 08:44, 13 May 2020 (UTC)


 * And the Ertuğrul islamansiklopedisi doesn't say anything about him having a son called Gündüz/Gündüz Alp, is that correct? Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 09:16, 13 May 2020 (UTC)


 * I have no idea about Osman's mother. About Gündüz, it's very confused. It's said Ertugrul's father was called Gunduz, he had a son called Gunduz, even Osman had a son called Gunduz. So anachronism. The source I've put is very reliable and says Osman had a son called Gunduz appointed him as subashi (commander in chief). Also there is a tomb belonging to Gunduz Alp in Beypazarı Ankara, but no one is sure wether it's Ertugrul's father, son or grandson., by the way I'm busy with searching for Osman's geneaology in Ottoman sources, found Asikpasazade's, Oruc Bey's and Enveri's versions, if I could find Yazicioglu's version, it'll be amazing as well. Beshogur (talk) 09:54, 13 May 2020 (UTC)


 * So how should we source/rewrite "Ottoman historians have differing opinions on whether Ertuğrul had two or possibly three other sons in addition to Osman: Gündüz Bey, and Saru Batu Savcı Bey or Saru Batu and Savcı Bey."? Saru Batu Savcı Bey seem covered by the islamansiklopedisi article, but the "other two"? And what should be done with the Gündüz Alp article? Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 10:10, 13 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Pinging if they're interested. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 10:13, 13 May 2020 (UTC)


 * Osman may also/instead had a nephew called Gündüz, but I can't view that or the ref at Osman_I. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 10:28, 13 May 2020 (UTC)


 * Well that's my mistake, I've read it miss. Sorry. Beshogur (talk) 10:30, 13 May 2020 (UTC)
 * I don't know if you use archive.org, but you may be able to find some decent Turkish language stuff there. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 11:41, 13 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Beshogur (talk) 12:18, 13 May 2020 (UTC)

Qara bodun
Hi, an aoutomated bot has flagged the last 2 paragraphs of this article as being copied directly from a copyrighted source. Can you clarify where you got this text from, in case it is from a free source? Note that we can't accept text from any copyrighted sources, so please let me know, thanks! CrowCaw 14:14, 19 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Hi. This is first, this is second, both state basicly the same thing. How it's copyrighted, what can I do about? I also found this, do I have to delete it? Beshogur (talk) 14:21, 19 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks! Yes those sources were published in 1999 and UNESCO claims copyright with no right of re-use so we can't use that text copied directly here. The best way is to write it completely in your own words, like you were describing it to a friend. Just changing words around won't work because that's still a paraphrasing problem. For now, that text has to be removed, for legal reasons. Thanks, CrowCaw 14:29, 19 May 2020 (UTC)

Turkish military intervention in the Second Libyan Civil War moved to draftspace
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Sock?
If you are serious about me being a sock then it's best that you start an investigation; I suggest you read these wikipedia guidelines Conspiracy theory accusations: Conspiracy theory accusations against other editors are very serious violations of our "assume good faith" (AGF) guidelines and "no personal attacks" (NPA) policies. The critical feature in distinguishing conspiracy theory based accusations from simple accusations of sockpuppetry, meatpuppetry, and even cabals is that there must be a claim of a powerful external entity.

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It would be better if you'd settle this in the talk page disccussion (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Turkmens) if you believe there's something wrong. Kezo2005 (talk) 13:34, 21 May 2020 (UTC)

Turkey presidential system
There is no need to put all the referendums, but only that one since did something like changing the form of government after almost one century of republic. This particular referendum was also held in a state of emergency and has been largely criticized. I think it has to be put in the info box. Lone Internaut (talk) 12:23, 5 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Hello, I added a note after the current system. Beshogur (talk) 12:24, 5 June 2020 (UTC)
 * It's not the same thing but I'll try to deal with it. Could you please make a consideration on the thing I talked about in the article's talk too? Thanks. Lone Internaut (talk) 12:31, 5 June 2020 (UTC)
 * It's really not clear how I explained myself, sorry: I mean the thing about the national emblem, not about the presidential system referendum. Thanks again. Lone Internaut (talk) 16:23, 5 June 2020 (UTC)

It may interest you
Hi there, Beshogur. I hope you are OK and staying safe. Thanks again for your warm welcome, that was indeed a good gesture. Regarding the reason I'm writing to you, I'm eyeing to re-structure "Bayezid I" article or at least expand it by adding couple of new sections on the legends about Bayezid, his personality, his time as a captive and etc. Right now I'm pouring through a host of primary and secondary materials to find reliable information about these topics, and I invite you to follow suit and team up to improve this article as I firmly believe that Bayezid "simply deserves it" :-). I thought that would make you interested. Thanks and take care! -- Visioncurve Haec lux solis, relinquentes senex mundi 06:29, 7 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Bakar mısın? ;-) -- Visioncurve Haec lux solis, relinquentes senex mundi 08:35, 8 June 2020 (UTC)

Vandalism editor
Hey, I see that you edit a lot of Turkey related pages as well and would like to get some support from you about an user who keeps vandalising all of my edits. His name is: Mr.User200. He has literally removed all my content I added over the past 2 days and all of them are Turkey related. He removed most of it without any explanation nor sources. In fact, on the Operation Spring Shield page he removed more than half of the article with the excuse of ‘’grammar’’. I have now reported him for clear Vandalism as he did not even use the talk page to reach an consensus. He’s cleary not willing to listen. Could you help me out with this? Thanks Maistara (talk) 07:53, 21 June 2020 (UTC)
 * , User:Mr.User200 has now proposed a boomerang block. Check out the discussion. Not going well for you, I promise. {&#123;31&#125;} {&#123;25A (talk)&#125;} 13:51, 21 June 2020 (UTC)
 * 31 Hmm, asking for some help against an obvious vandalizer has now become illegal? Didn’t know that. Maistara (talk) 13:54, 21 June 2020 (UTC)
 * , sorry dude. No action against him. The discussion is now closed with "No". I can't switch sides now. {&#123;31&#125;} {&#123;25A (talk)&#125;} 14:00, 21 June 2020 (UTC)
 * 31 Oh I’m not surprised by that, its Wikipedia afterall. Where you get no help in cases like this where there is a clear vandalizer who ignores all requests to discuss it at the talk page and ignore all warnings. Not surprising att all. Maistara (talk) 14:04, 21 June 2020 (UTC)

Karsakpay inscription
Hey, how are you? Haven't heard a word from you lately, but I hope you are safe and sound. I'm writing to you with a strong belief that you won't mind my additions and couple of changes that I made to the above-mentioned article (that you created). I simply added some new info with refs, worked on the article's structure and copy-edited the text. I'm pretty much sure that you watchlist this article and that it is simply a matter of time of when you discover and review my additions and changes. I hope we will collaborate more often on relevant topics. Keep well and take care! Cheers, -- Visioncurve Timendi causa est nescire  13:24, 25 June 2020 (UTC)

Thanks. You don't need to ask permission. It is all fine. Beshogur (talk) 13:43, 25 June 2020 (UTC)


 * I would also appreciate if you find some time and review the article I have recently started (I'm sure this one's in your scope of interests), give your scholarly opinion on that and perhaps improve the areas you think are raw or require some quality polishing. I'd also like to ask you - what do you think if we replace the traditional link we use for (medieval) Turkomans from a banal and commonplace "Oghuz Turks" to this one, and will you give me a hand with this (I think there are zillions of them)? Thank you in advance. Cheers! -- Visioncurve Timendi causa est nescire  03:52, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

Hello, thanks for great work, I appreciate. What do you think now? Beshogur (talk) 07:27, 1 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Good job, really, thanks for your time! And what do you think about de-linking corny links from the Oghuz Turks to this one in such articles as Kara Koyunlu, Aq Qoyunly, Seljuks and etc? Besides, I'd also like to learn your important opinion regarding adding an ambigious information about Karluks and etc also being called Turkomans in the Middle Ages (or you think that will de-rail people from the primary theme?). Remember, Kashgari wrote in his Compendium: "Karluks are a division of nomadic Turks. They are separate from Oghuz, but they are Turkmens like Oghuz..." Thanks again, waiting for your reply! -- Visioncurve Timendi causa est nescire  07:40, 1 July 2020 (UTC)
 * this may be useful maybe. Beshogur (talk) 08:10, 1 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Teşekkür ederim, Beşogur. Çok yardımcı oldun! -- Visioncurve Timendi causa est nescire  13:25, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

July 2020
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 * Ok. how is that copyrighted if this "He was not in active politics during Inäl's reign. Although he accepted him as legitimate ruler.[15]" sentence is still here? It's the same source? Plus it was there for years(?) Beshogur (talk) 21:03, 4 July 2020 (UTC)
 * that content is completely original and was not copied, it was simply cited. It's not the source that's the issue but the fact that you copied from a copyrighted source. — Yours, Berrely  • Talk∕Contribs 15:59, 5 July 2020 (UTC)
 * I had put time on it, this is really discouraging someone from editing. Also they were not exactly the same texts. Also in the same article, the same source remains, but only with a link., why isn't that removed as well? Beshogur (talk) 16:09, 5 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Because the source itself can be used, it's just that content cannot be copied from it. An edit of yours was flagged as potential violation, and I saw that it was very closely phrased to the source (click on the "iThenticate report" option to see the text similarity). For some examples, the sentences "It emphasizes the role of its author and main hero in the foundation and in the history of the Second Empire", " to revolt against the Chinese and set to the throne a", "rebuild the empire and recultivate old pasture lands of the", and "For the author of the Orkhon Inscriptions he was merely äcim qayan (the qayan who was my unc1e) without any mention of his throne name." were copied from the source. Moneytrees🌴Talk🌲Help out at CCI! 02:25, 6 July 2020 (UTC)

Sad Beshogur (talk) 08:08, 6 July 2020 (UTC)

,, hello, do you both know where I can apply deletion for a pretty much artificial and ridiculous article? Please check this out Alvi (tribe). This user has no idea what he is doing, putting categories every time, also claiming there are Sunni Alevis which is pretty much asburd and ridiculous. Saying this because you both are administrators I guess, please help me. Beshogur (talk) 14:23, 15 July 2020 (UTC)
 * , I would recommend putting the article up at Articles for deletion if you believe the article is coming from an incorrect viewpointor violating our policies on original research and source synthesis. Moneytrees🌴Talk🌲Help out at CCI! 15:42, 15 July 2020 (UTC)

Türk halkları şablonu
Selam, nasılsın? Umarım iyisindir ve herşey yolundadır. "Turkman" eski etnik ismini Türk halkları şablonundan kaldırdığını fark ettim ve nedenini merak ediyorum. Belki de, onu soyu tükenmiş Türk grubu bölümüne, diyelim, Oğuz Türklerinin hemen arkasına koyarsak daha iyi olacak sanırım. Bununla ilgili görüşlerini öğrenmek istiyorum. Şimdiden teşekkür ederim! Güvende ve sağlıklı kal... -- Visioncurve Timendi causa est nescire  09:00, 15 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Merhaba. Teşekkürler siz nasılsınız? Daha doğrusu bir terim olduğu için kaldırmıştım. Şimdi nasıl? Beshogur (talk) 09:03, 15 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Başparmak havaya! -- Visioncurve Timendi causa est nescire  10:24, 15 July 2020 (UTC)

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This may interest you
Hey, how are you? I know you are fond of ancient Turkic inscriptions, but I would like you to check this out; the original language (either Karluk or simply Turki (Middle Turkic)) of this literary masterpiece is almost as old as the one found on the Turkic stone monuments. Note its close similarity in structure to the Turkic languages in use today, though almost one millenium passed since then. Compare for instance, the texts written in Old English (e.g. Beowulf) with the one in Modern English, you won't probably recognize a word... Cheers! Visioncurve Timendi causa est nescire  11:38, 21 July 2020 (UTC)
 * I know Kutadgu Bilig. Thanks anyway :) great work. Beshogur (talk) 11:40, 21 July 2020 (UTC)

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Erzincan and konli17
Can you look page Erzincan? The city has no Kurdish majority but a mixed population. Hé pushing unsourced pov. Peacetowikied (talk) 09:45, 9 August 2020 (UTC)

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"Oghuz tribes" template
Hey, how are you? I hope you are doing well. I have just finished adding the missing Oghuz tribes (Uchoks) to your exciting template. I wonder if breaking those tribes into smaller pieces (let's say, adding historical dynasties that descended from these tribes) would make sense, for example: break Kayi or add after it - Ottomans, İsfendiyaroğulları and Çobanoğulları. And I think it's about time to make that template come out of shadows and link it with corresponding articles. Waiting for your reply, Thanks and stay safe! Visioncurve Timendi causa est nescire  12:40, 31 August 2020 (UTC)
 * I'm doing well, thanks, you? Thanks for your great work. I appreciate. Beshogur (talk) 15:35, 31 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Yup, but how about publishing that template in the specific articles (Bayat, Bayundur and etc...)? That would certainly improve these articles. -- Visioncurve Timendi causa est nescire  05:46, 1 September 2020 (UTC)

I'll try. I don't have much free time these times. Beshogur (talk) 07:07, 1 September 2020 (UTC)

Name of Kubrat and your intervention
I am writing in regards to your intervention and deletion of a reference to a source with information about the deciphering of the name of Kubrat. As I am relatively new here, I did not write straight away to you and I appoligize. Now I had time to go through the ways of communication and oth. I noticed you are very active to delete all other historical hypotezis different from the Turkic origin of Bulgars, not only for Kubrat, but to few more related articles. I would like to remind you − all prooved sources matter. Please spend some time to check page 99 to 101, regarding the deciphering of Kubrats name from the German archaeologist Joachim Werner which you have been so unkind to delete withou to use my talk page and to report me instead. I have intention to post XOBRATOY again and translation of the words HUBAV BRAT wchich in Bulgarian means "nice, beautiful brother" ...for clarity of the readers, who does not speak Bulgarian. I Wont change the other text without consensus. Dahlia La Mar (talk) 18:48, 4 September 2020 (UTC)


 * Dahlia La Mar, with regard to your "I noticed you are very active to delete all other historical hypotezis different from the Turkic origin of Bulgars, not only for Kubrat, but to few more related articles", remember, it is unacceptable for an editor to accuse others of misbehavior without reasonable cause in an attempt to besmirch their reputations. If accusations are made, they should be raised, with evidence. Know that third opinions is an excellent venue for small disputes involving two editors, see WP:ASPERSIONS. Cheers, Visioncurve  Timendi causa est nescire  06:40, 7 September 2020 (UTC)

We haven′t discussed yet the line about " and considered Attila their first ruler".Beshogur can you provide a reference please, as in the Nominalia of the Bulgarian khans the name of the first Bulgar ruller is Avitohol Авитохолъ - check row 10th from the image. Have a good day!Dahlia La Mar (talk) 13:30, 8 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Hi, yes Visioncurve I will take note to be more precise. "I noticed you are very active to delete all other historical hypotezis different from the Turkic origin of Bulgars, not only for Kubrat, but to few more related articles"-to be accepted instead as- "I noticed you are interested of editing articles related to the Bulgars and Bulgarians"(As example - Beshogur - Undid revision 969166937 Volga Bulgaria 23 July 2020 and activity in editing article Kazan the capital of Volga Bulgaria ).There is nothing wrong with editing, but sources should be checked first before (Undo- Article Kubrat) and before someone to be reported for Shockpupetry. I hope we won′t have this issue in the future.

Türk devlerleri ve Fars şovenistler
Selamlar, sizi bir konuda bilgilendirmek ve yardım istemekteyim. Wikipedia'da Fars şovenistler Türk devletleriyle alakali neredeyse her devlet için "Persianized" tabirini kullanıyorlar. Türk kelimesini aşağılayan makaleleri sayfalara ekliyorlar. Tarihimiz, böyle uluslarası özgür bilgi sitesinde tehlikededir. (Personal attack removed) Bu konuda sizlerden bilgi ve yardım istemekteyim Ulpionz (talk) 18:34, 16 September 2020 (UTC)

Oğuz boyları
Selam, nasılsınız? Uzun süredir sizden haber alamadım. Umarım siz ve aileniz iyisinizdir. Acaba, bir nedenden dolayı tarihte unutulmuş olan Oğuz boyları (karaevli, alkaevli, dodurga vb.) hakkında makale yazsak, bunun çok da güzel olacağını düşünüyorum. İlgili ve uygun kaynaklar bulmanın ne kadar zor olduğunu biliyorum, ancak hepimizin bildiği gibi, imkansiz hiçbir şey yoktur, bazı şeyler sadece zaman alır. Umarım biraz zaman bulduğunuzda benimle birlikte bu konuda çalışırsınız... Şimdiden teşekkür ederim. Visioncurve Timendi causa est nescire  06:36, 21 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Mesajiniz icin tesekkurler. Iyiyim, umarim siz de oylesinizdir. Yakin bir zamanda donerim umarim, bu ara biraz yogunum. Beshogur (talk) 09:29, 21 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Yıva ve Dodurga boylarıyla ilgili yeni makaleleri bitirdim. Bunların sizin tarafınızdan incelenmesini ve bunlarla ilgili görüşünüzü yazmanızı rica ediyorum. Teşekkür ederim. -- Visioncurve Timendi causa est nescire  04:56, 24 September 2020 (UTC)

Estağfurullah, inceleme işi bana düşmez :) gayet iyi, teşekkürler. Beshogur (talk) 08:32, 24 September 2020 (UTC)


 * Cevabınızın ilk kısmına - hahaha)) -- Visioncurve Timendi causa est nescire  11:01, 25 September 2020 (UTC)

Azerbaijan casualties claim
Can u update armenia casualties per azerbaijan per this latest information https://twitter.com/cavidaga/status/1310328617864433664?s=21 Resapp (talk) 21:35, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

Armeniam casualties
Armenia announced the death of 26 additional servicemen an hour ago bringing the total to 86. https://reuters.com/article/amp/idINKBN26J334 https://twitter.com/conflicts/status/1310675339715260423 WP:MATH Resapp (talk) 21:18, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

Or atleast 84 per this. https://twitter.com/liveuamap/status/1310673976235118593?s=21 Please self revert. Resapp (talk) 21:23, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

The 26 announcement comes after 28 in the morning, making 31 killed yesterday and 54 killed today per armenia total 84. https://twitter.com/liveuamap/status/1310535708931747840?s=21 Resapp (talk) 21:26, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

I am on mobile, but counting doesn't work. Next time one source please. Beshogur (talk) 22:36, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

Map
Some trigger-revert happy users are removing material first thing they get a chance. Please restore the map, I've temporarily removed the disputed countries. Resapp (talk) 18:05, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

Armenia/Azerbaijan discretionary sanctions
Cabayi (talk) 15:44, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Karsakpay inscription
Hi there, I'm pleased to inform you that I've begun reviewing the article Karsakpay inscription you nominated for GA-status according to the criteria. This process may take up to 7 days. Feel free to contact me with any questions or comments you might have during this period. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Amitchell125 -- Amitchell125 (talk) 06:42, 2 October 2020 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Karsakpay inscription
The article Karsakpay inscription you nominated as a good article has been placed on hold. The article is close to meeting the good article criteria, but there are some minor changes or clarifications needing to be addressed. If these are fixed within 7 days, the article will pass; otherwise it may fail. See Talk:Karsakpay inscription for issues which need to be addressed. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Amitchell125 -- Amitchell125 (talk) 21:22, 2 October 2020 (UTC)
 * The date for completing my comments is extended for a few more days, as you are currently blocked for making edits. Amitchell125 (talk) 08:18, 5 October 2020 (UTC)

October 2020
Your recent editing history shows that you are currently engaged in an edit war; that means that you are repeatedly changing content back to how you think it should be, when you have seen that other editors disagree. To resolve the content dispute, please do not revert or change the edits of others when you are reverted. Instead of reverting, please use the talk page to work toward making a version that represents consensus among editors. The best practice at this stage is to discuss, not edit-war. See the bold, revert, discuss cycle for how this is done. If discussions reach an impasse, you can then post a request for help at a relevant noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases, you may wish to request temporary page protection.

Being involved in an edit war can result in you being blocked from editing&mdash;especially if you violate the three-revert rule, which states that an editor must not perform more than three reverts on a single page within a 24-hour period. Undoing another editor's work—whether in whole or in part, whether involving the same or different material each time—counts as a revert. Also keep in mind that while violating the three-revert rule often leads to a block, you can still be blocked for edit warring&mdash;even if you do not violate the three-revert rule&mdash;should your behavior indicate that you intend to continue reverting repeatedly. Khirurg (talk) 16:57, 3 October 2020 (UTC)

Ah dear. Beshogur (talk) 17:02, 3 October 2020 (UTC)

Notice of edit warring noticeboard discussion
Hello. This message is being sent to inform you that there is currently a discussion involving you at Administrators' noticeboard/Edit warring regarding a possible violation of Wikipedia's policy on edit warring. The thread is Administrators' noticeboard/Edit warring. Thank you. Khirurg (talk) 17:57, 3 October 2020 (UTC)

October 2020
You have been blocked from editing for a period of 48 hours for edit warring, as you did at Murovdag. Once the block has expired, you are welcome to make useful contributions. During a dispute, you should first try to discuss controversial changes and seek consensus. If that proves unsuccessful, you are encouraged to seek dispute resolution, and in some cases it may be appropriate to request page protection. If you think there are good reasons for being unblocked, please read the guide to appealing blocks, then add the following text below the block notice on your talk page:. signed,Rosguill talk 22:22, 3 October 2020 (UTC)

In general, how will you handle an editing dispute in the future? 331dot (talk) 15:10, 4 October 2020 (UTC)

I think you mean to say that you will avoid Azerbaijani related topics once your block expires? 331dot (talk) 15:11, 4 October 2020 (UTC)
 * I mean I won't edit until my block expires. To avoid editing dispute, if something is not solved on talk page, I will take it to dispute noticeboard. Still, I am planning to take a page to dispute noticeboard once my block time expires (now unblocked or not) which is unrelated to the page which caused my blocked. Beshogur (talk) 15:20, 4 October 2020 (UTC)
 * The block prevents you from editing, so you don't need to say you will avoid editing., are you okay with unblocking with the users saying they will move to dispute resolution? 331dot (talk) 15:22, 4 October 2020 (UTC)
 * I mean I want to contribute to other topics which I was doing in before all these things. No, no. I mean the Stepanakert article, which I think I was called "vandal" unjustified. I will explain that later. Beshogur (talk) 15:24, 4 October 2020 (UTC)
 * , I'm a bit confused by Beshogur's most recent reply and would like them to clarify that before making a decision. signed,Rosguill talk 16:10, 4 October 2020 (UTC)
 * , here says in bold "de jure status is already covered in this article", which is not true. I do not see anything about de jure status of the city. I can not accept called vandal only for adding this back and this, and adding a source here, which an ip user added, and I suddenly checked Russian wikipedia which probably came from and added source. Since the city is in Azerbaijan,  adding deliberately Armenia map with NK together on the infobox. That's the main reason why I reported him yesterday, but probably it was the wrong place. With other topics, I mean contribution to other articles not related to this conflict (until my block expires). I hope it's explained. Beshogur (talk) 16:21, 4 October 2020 (UTC)
 * , thinking about this more, I think I'm opposed to lifting the block early. The edits in question were a clear violation of 3RR, and the request here is basically just asking nicely and saying they won't do it again. Given that Beshogur is no stranger to our edit warring policy, and that these edits were made in the context of an active escalation of conflict in a topic already subject to discretionary sanctions, I think it would be best to just have Beshogur serve the remaining 30 or so hours on the block. signed,Rosguill talk 16:58, 4 October 2020 (UTC)
 * fine, but could you please look at that page, or give me an advice what to do? There is something not right. Beshogur (talk) 18:34, 4 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Beshogur If you take a closer look, it clearly states that Stepanakert is within the international borders of Azerbaijan in the lede. Archives908 (talk) 22:23, 4 October 2020 (UTC)
 * , you are clearly not honest about that it was added later I reported you. And please do not use bold in my talk page. Beshogur (talk) 09:06, 5 October 2020 (UTC)
 * I know it was added later, and it was not reverted or removed because it was an improvement to the article, it did not use controversial sources, and was not done out of POV. That is how proper editing is conducted- know the difference! Archives908 (talk) 12:56, 5 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Also, your threats of blocking me are not constructive or appropriate, especially since you are the one currently blocked. The Admins have ruled in my favour as I did not commit any violations. If you continue these threats and not editing constructively, I'm positive the Admins will take notice to your inappropriateness once again. Archives908 (talk) 13:04, 5 October 2020 (UTC)

Admins do not rule in favor of X or Y, they prevent Wikipedia from disruption/vandalism etc ... Please keep in mind that there is no such thing as a "victorious side" and a "defeated side" in a dispute. Thanks. ---Wikaviani  (talk) (contribs)  22:02, 5 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Beshogur, sorry for the delayed response; as for your question above of advice what to do it's not clear to me whether you want advice as far as the content dispute or you want advice on dealing with editors calling you a vandal. If it's the content, raise it on the talk page, and then use an RfC or DRN if you can't come to a consensus (with recourse to WP:AN3 if someone is edit warring while you're trying to discuss). If it's the name-calling, you can raise it at WP:ANI if it's a consistent pattern of behavior from another editor, which at this point it very well may be. signed,Rosguill talk 22:22, 5 October 2020 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Karsakpay inscription
The article Karsakpay inscription you nominated as a good article has been placed on hold. The article is close to meeting the good article criteria, but there are some minor changes or clarifications needing to be addressed. If these are fixed within 7 days, the article will pass; otherwise it may fail. See Talk:Karsakpay inscription for issues which need to be addressed. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Amitchell125 -- Amitchell125 (talk) 19:02, 6 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Nudge :) Amitchell125 (talk) 20:56, 9 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Hello Beshogur, just to remind you that in three days' time this nomination will be failed if the issues listed are not addressed in full, which would be a pity because it wouldn't take too much time to sort them out. Regards, Amitchell125 (talk) 17:50, 10 October 2020 (UTC)
 * , hi, thanks, I tried to improve a lot of things, what do I need to do right now, what are my missing things? Beshogur (talk) 22:51, 10 October 2020 (UTC)
 * I'll take a look and let you know, Beshogur. Amitchell125 (talk) 06:10, 11 October 2020 (UTC)
 * I've looked at the article and it appears you have not yet addressed the comments I have made in the review. Amitchell125 (talk) 09:35, 11 October 2020 (UTC)
 * How can I adress, what should I write? I do not have any idea. Thanks. Beshogur (talk) 09:36, 11 October 2020 (UTC)
 * OK, you need to (1) click here to read my 20 comments on your article; (2) Edit the article so the changes are all made, and then; (3) give me a message on the review page:
 * if they are all done
 * if you are not sure what to
 * if you don't agree with a comment. Give yourself a few days to do the job, and I will help you all I can if you put a message on the review page. Regards, Amitchell125 (talk) 19:56, 11 October 2020 (UTC)

Turkic Council
What's going on here with the Turkic Council map? Johncdraper (talk) 10:58, 8 October 2020 (UTC)
 * What do you mean? Beshogur (talk) 10:59, 8 October 2020 (UTC)
 * It keeps changing between a .png and .jpg, but without edit summaries I don't quite understand why. Johncdraper (talk) 11:06, 8 October 2020 (UTC)
 * I will ask for protection. Beshogur (talk) 11:32, 8 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Alright, but what is the difference between the two maps? What is the unnamed editor trying to achieve? Johncdraper (talk) 11:44, 8 October 2020 (UTC)
 * One is with official members + observer (Hungary), other with possible member (Turkmenistan) and possible observer (Ukraine). Beshogur (talk) 12:27, 8 October 2020 (UTC)
 * The one with official members + observer should be used, with a correct key, right? Johncdraper (talk) 12:32, 8 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Yes it can be used, (I mean the future members/observers) but not the infobox imo. Beshogur (talk) 12:33, 8 October 2020 (UTC)
 * I see. Expand on your position (important map being referred to by pages reporting ongoing civil wars and conflicts in the region) and the fact that adding every potential member inflates the infobox map in the Talk page first. See if the other editor engages, and if he/she edit wars you instead, then you can put in a page protection request with the Talk page to support your position. Johncdraper (talk) 12:42, 8 October 2020 (UTC)

Armenian-controlled territories surrounding Nagorno-Karabakh
Would it be possible to find the primary source for the 1979 ethnic demographic information? It is unclear where the raw HTML database in your suggested citation gets the information from. JamgoUnchained (talk) 10:35, 12 October 2020 (UTC)
 * РГАЭ, ф. 1562, оп. 336, д. 999, 1244, 1565, 1566-д, 1567, 5925, 7879
 * РГАЭ, ф. 1562, оп. 338, ч. 1, д. 573
 * РГАЭ, ф. 1562, оп. 338, ч. 2, д. 331
 * РГАЭ, ф. 1562, оп. 338, ч. 3, д. 484, 485, 487 --Geysirhead (talk) 17:19, 12 October 2020 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Karsakpay inscription
The article Karsakpay inscription you nominated as a good article has failed ; see Talk:Karsakpay inscription for reasons why the nomination failed. If or when these points have been taken care of, you may apply for a new nomination of the article. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Amitchell125 -- Amitchell125 (talk) 16:22, 13 October 2020 (UTC)

October 2020
Hello. This is a message to let you know that one or more of your recent contributions, such as the edit and edit summary you made to 2020 Nagorno-Karabakh conflict, did not appear constructive. The issue is being discuted at the Talk page and your edit is disrupting the concenssus made.Mr.User200 (talk) 18:22, 15 October 2020 (UTC)

Yörüks original research
Hello Beshogur.

Here is the English version of the reference. It does not mention the claimed content. https//www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=http://zti.hu/sipos_gyujtesek/pdf/3_EN.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwiI9KTYt8bsAhWKUcAKHUt4AgoQFjABegQIChAB&usg=AOvVaw0AfQeue28P7hJMSbSto4F1 (delete the after https)

As long as no direct quote is qiven it should be excluded. You can try to find it, but I did not even find a own section about Yörüks.-81.10.217.91 (talk) 19:46, 21 October 2020 (UTC)


 * Btw. the user which included it was largely reverted and seems not to be active anymore, as his single goal was including unreliable content. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Agua-Habit .-81.10.217.91 (talk) 19:48, 21 October 2020 (UTC)

AA2 Advisory
Étienne Dolet (talk) 09:22, 25 October 2020 (UTC)

WP:GF
Please assume WP:GF of your fellow editors. This was not okay, and its not the first time either I have seen you do something like this. --HistoryofIran (talk) 18:05, 25 October 2020 (UTC)

Reported
here Étienne Dolet (talk) 19:15, 25 October 2020 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Category:User Orkh-5


A tag has been placed on Category:User Orkh-5 requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section C1 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the category has been empty for seven days or more and is not a disambiguation category, a category redirect, a featured topics category, under discussion at Categories for discussion, or a project category that by its nature may become empty on occasion.

If you think this page should not be deleted for this reason, you may contest the nomination by visiting the page and clicking the button labelled "Contest this speedy deletion". This will give you the opportunity to explain why you believe the page should not be deleted. However, be aware that once a page is tagged for speedy deletion, it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag from the page yourself, but do not hesitate to add information in line with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. Liz Read! Talk! 15:24, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

Khojavend/Martuni on 2020 Nagorno-Karabakh conflict
Hi, regarding a debate for adhering to WP:COMMONNAME regarding place names, did you mean this one ? I don't see Martuni/Khojavend mentioned, but a quick Google search shows far more views for Martuni than Khojavend, I would therefore argue that the inclusion of the Armenian name as well is appropriate to increase the readability of the article per WP:COMMONNAME. AntonSamuel (talk) 18:14, 28 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Because half of these Martuni results are airbnb, travel websites, etc. Beshogur (talk) 18:20, 28 October 2020 (UTC)
 * The same is true for Google Scholar  WP:COMMONNAME specifices that a common name is "determined by its prevalence in a significant majority of independent, reliable English-language sources", so I think Martuni would be prudent to include. AntonSamuel (talk) 18:25, 28 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Fine. Beshogur (talk) 18:30, 28 October 2020 (UTC)

History of Diyarbakır
I'd be interested where the deletion discussion is, I'd like to take part in this discussion.Paradise Chronicle (talk) 22:52, 29 October 2020 (UTC)
 * I removed the tag, likely wrong way to do. Beshogur (talk) 23:01, 29 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Ah ok, thanks. Thanks for your articles on Turkic steles, inscriptions.Paradise Chronicle (talk) 23:18, 29 October 2020 (UTC)

I tank four your interest. Beshogur (talk) 23:59, 29 October 2020 (UTC)

Harita
Merhaba, Harita ikinci defa silinmeye aday gösterildi. Haritanın silinmesi konusunda "ayrı" bir çaba olduğuna inanıyorum. Yaklaşık 3 haftadır haritayı mükemmelleştirmeye çalışıyorum. Siz de adaylık sayfasına görüş bildirirseniz sevinirim-Emreculha (talk) 00:11, 1 November 2020 (UTC)
 * , aslinda haritanin kaynagi icin oyle diyor. Kaynagi gosterebilsen iyi. Oy vermem bir sey degistirmez acikcasi, kurallara aykiri olur bura yazdigin icin. Beshogur (talk) 00:22, 1 November 2020 (UTC)

Dispute resolution
Merhaba, Bunun icin vaktim yok. :) Sorry, I just edited the last days because I had some time to kill and I was about to leave anyway. Belki hafta sonu, but can't guaranty. Hemşinli çocuk 18:11, 2 November 2020 (UTC)

2020 Nagorno-Karabakh war
Hi Beshogur, I saw your comment on my talk page, and has just finished writing a reply by the time you reverted it. I still thought I'd share my thoughts with you:


 * I didn't open the RfC, I simply tied it together with the existing conversation so that previous comments would be connected. Even if I undid my edit, the RfC would still be open – and any editors arriving to it via the feedback request service wouldn't be able to see existing comments, which is not ideal. I'm afraid I don't know what the right steps would be if you think it's an improper RfC, or incompatible with the dispute resolution noticeboard. The editor who was responsible for the RfC was VZkN9. I have to say I have my suspicions over that particular account as it seems to be single-purpose, and after taking another look I can see the RfC was opened almost straight away after you filed your case on the dispute resolution noticeboard (perhaps it warrants a sockpuppet check)? If you're certain the RfC should not have been started, I think you can remove the RfC template (and you wouldn't need my permission), but I'm not familiar with this process so can't say for certain. As it happens, I share Rosguill's view that an RfC is more appropriate, so my gut feeling would be to leave the RfC so we can solicit the views of more uninvolved editors, even if it was procedurally incorrect, rather than close it only to reopen it again shortly. I was going to ping Rosguill as they may have a better understanding of the correct process to follow, but as you reverted your original message I'll leave it up to you. Cheers, Jr8825  •  Talk  21:04, 2 November 2020 (UTC)

thanks, seems like I stole your time a bit. Sorry. Beshogur (talk) 21:23, 2 November 2020 (UTC)

Salam
Desteye gore teshekkurler ! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mirhasanov (talk • contribs) 18:11, 3 November 2020 (UTC)

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Turki
It was a developed page when I turned it into a redirect. In any case, base titles should never redirect to dab pages. The dab page should be moved if that's what you want. But I'm not sure it doesn't have as a primary meaning the classical literary language that is covered at Chagatai language. Perhaps that page should be moved to a better title. Srnec (talk) 17:35, 7 November 2020 (UTC)
 * I know that page was covering Chagatai, but I wanted to do an disambiguation page, so what to do now? Beshogur (talk) 18:45, 7 November 2020 (UTC)


 * You can leave it as is, or you can request a move of Turki (disambiguation) to the base name. Srnec (talk) 01:41, 8 November 2020 (UTC)

Hi
Hey, you and I will probably see this differently but I believe that I have a pretty clear idea of what neutral is and that is my objective on the Nagorno Karabakh war articles. This involves getting rid of unsourced claims and also using neutral terminology throughout articles (captured instead of liberated, stated or claimed instead of announced), as well as expanding upon sections where one point of view is heavy so that there is a balanced representation of viewpoints.

Especially in the context of an active information war which to some extent is affecting Wikipedia I consider this important. This is a very high profile topic on Wikipedia and I want to work with you and everyone else who is interested in these pages not against you.

With that in mind I think your idea of neutral might be different from mine. If so I just accept this as a difference in opinions re how to write the pages.

If you want to discuss any of my edits you are welcome to speak to me either on the talk page of the article or my own. --LOLCaatz (talk) 13:37, 8 November 2020 (UTC)
 * I did not place those words. Did I say something about that? No. Beshogur (talk) 13:44, 8 November 2020 (UTC)


 * I suspected something was wrong when you tagged me as a single use account. This is technically correct as I am not editing other topics but I wanted to clear this up.--LOLCaatz (talk) 01:04, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

List of massacres in Cyprus
I didn't see your comment regarding the talk page, I am new to wikipedia and not fully aware of the process - I have now added two paragraphs to the talk page and will leave the other's to review them and my new reference. Do I need to do anything else?WikiCorrection0283 (talk) 12:35, 14 November 2020 (UTC)
 * , your edit is problematic on various ways. Please revert it back, so I can withdraw my report. Beshogur (talk) 13:00, 14 November 2020 (UTC)

I've reverted the page as you requested, but I've added more comments on the talk page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by WikiCorrection0283 (talk • contribs) 13:09, 14 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Ok thanks. Beshogur (talk) 13:12, 14 November 2020 (UTC)

Comment
Hi, you may be interested in the admin noticeboard discussions here and here. Thanks, Amr ibn Kulthoumعمرو بن كلثوم (talk) 17:38, 14 November 2020 (UTC)

List of massacres of Turkish people
Selamlar, daha kolay iletişim kurabilmek için Türkçe yazıyorum. List of massacres of Turkish people diye bir çalışma yaptığınızı farkettim, ve şahsen benim de Vikipedi'de bulunmasını çok istediğim ama ilginç bir şekilde bugüne kadar kimsenin oluşturmadığı bir madde. Sizin zaten oluşturduğunuz alt sayfa üzerinden devam ederek beraber çalışabileceğimizi ve biraz zaman içerisinde maddeyi Vikipedi'ye kazandırabileceğimizi düşünüyorum. Ne dersiniz? - Śα ǿt ur α 💬 13:38, 19 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Merhaba. Memnun olurum elbette. İstediğiniz gibi edit yapabilirsiniz. Hala başlık hakkında şüphelerim var, başka isim önerileriniz var mı? Fakat şu anlık burayı editleyebilirsiniz. Beshogur (talk) 13:40, 19 November 2020 (UTC)
 * List of massacres of Turks dışında başka bir alternatif olduğunu düşünmüyorum ancak o biraz Türki halkları katar işin içine. Şimdiki isim iyi bence, kalabilir.- Śα ǿt ur α 💬 14:18, 19 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Eyvallah katkıların için. başlığa daha descriptive bir şey yazabilsek, hemen publish yapabiliriz. Beshogur (talk) 17:41, 19 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Şimdi özellikle Kıbrıs'ta yaşandığından emin olduğum ama detaylarını hatırlamadığım için biraz araştırıp ekleyeceğim katliamlar var. Benim aklımda eklenebilecek bir kaç şey daha var ama ne kadar uygun olduklarından emin değilim. Mesela Almanya'daki Türklerin başına gelmiş ve nispeten büyük olayları (mesela Solingen Faciası) ekleyelim mi? Veya listenin en başına Persecution of Ottoman Muslims diye ekleyip ölüm sayısına artık 5 milyonsa 5 milyon yazalım mı? Böyle yapıldığını List of massacres against Hazara people maddesinde görmüştüm ve mantıklı olabilir çünkü listedeki katliamlar Türklerin yaşadığı genel mezalimin çok azını yansıtıyor. Ondan sonra 93 Harbi gibi bazı savaşlardaki genel katledilen Türk sayısı Massacres of Turkish people during the Russo-Turkish War (1877–1878) diye eklenebilir. Ne düşünüyorsun? - Śα ǿt ur α 💬 21:43, 19 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Valla bilemiyorum. Massacres during the Russo-Turkish war, vs. mantıklı. Solingen arson attack of 1993 da eklenebilir bence. Beshogur (talk) 21:48, 19 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Tam şuan editliyorum maddeyi. Solingen Faciası ve Massacres during the Russo-Turkish war diye ekliyorum. Persecution of Ottoman Muslims diye de ekleyeceğim başına, itiraz eden çıkarsa (ki bence mutlaka çıkar) zaten neden maddede olmaması gerektiğini düşündüğünü söyler belki mantıklı buluruz. Daha sonra ikimiz de tamam bitti diyince maddeyi publish yaparız zaten.- Śα ǿt ur α 💬 22:22, 19 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Kolay gelsin., dikkat et, ben de editledim. Boşa gitmesin. Beshogur (talk) 22:35, 19 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Ekledim dediklerimi. Bence artık hazır ama sen bir bak istersen. Bence maddeyi kimin oluşturduğu önemli değil, istersen sen oluşturabilirsin.- Śα ǿt ur α 💬 23:51, 19 November 2020 (UTC)

Ahıska sürgününü ekledik fakat tam anlamıyla katliam değil o. Ama o listede olmak için uygun. Hala title ve description konusunda şüpheliyim. List of massacres against Turkish people olur mu yoksa şimdiki iyi mi? Description için de following list includes massacres, arson attacks, etc. gibi açıklama eklesek iyi olur. Beshogur (talk) 11:44, 20 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Dediğim gibi bence title uygun. Vikipedi'de etnik gruba göre katliamları listeleyen çok madde yok, List of massacres against Hazara people hariç olanların hepsi de 'List of massacres of' şeklinde. Ve following list includes massacres, arson attacks, etc. dersek diğer kundaklama saldırılarını da eklememiz gerekir, işin içinden çıkılmaz. Yüzlerce, binlerce var çünkü. En başta fikri ben öne sürmüştüm ama şimdi yeniden düşününce Solingen Faciası'nı falan silsek daha iyi olur. See also'ya Turks in Germany#Attacks against the Turkish community in Germany diye ekleriz.- Śα ǿt ur α 💬 12:41, 20 November 2020 (UTC)
 * , ne zaman publish edelim? Beshogur (talk) 14:06, 20 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Tam şuan edebilirsin.- Śα ǿt ur α 💬 14:23, 20 November 2020 (UTC)
 * , ettim. Beshogur (talk) 14:41, 20 November 2020 (UTC)

Rename category
You want to have this Category:Armenian-controlled territories surrounding Nagorno-Karabakh renamed too in accordance with WP:C2F.VR talk 17:06, 19 November 2020 (UTC)
 * ✅ Beshogur (talk) 17:18, 19 November 2020 (UTC)

Kirkuk
You didn't mention the reason. My salute. Torivar (talk) 23:28, 19 November 2020 (UTC)

Original research. Beshogur (talk) 11:41, 20 November 2020 (UTC)

No header
Hocam kusura bakmayın sayfanıza yazmak zorunda kaldım ama başka nasıl iletişime geçerim bilemedim selçuklu diyalekti başlığında selçuklu diyalektiğinin azerbaycan Türkçesine ait olduğu yazıyor lakin selçuklu dialekti bariz bir şekilde oğuz türkçesi devamı olup eski anadolu türkçesi ve osmanlı türkçesinin de atası olan bir dialekttir

Buraya şu kaynağı bırakıyorum siz ekleyip düzeltirseniz sevinirim anlayışınız için teşekkür ederim

https://www.britannica.com/topic/Seljuq — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.54.232.192 (talk) 19:45, 20 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Hayır. Dil hakkında bir şeyden bahsetmiyor. O dil, Azerbaycan dilinin diyalekti olan bir dil. Beshogur (talk) 19:50, 20 November 2020 (UTC)

Request for article expansion support
Hello and Greetings,

I was looking for some support in article expansion of Draft:Aurat (word) by any chance if you have access to the Turkish language source. Pl. do visit the article  Draft:Aurat (word) and support expansion of the article if you find topic interested in.

Thanks and warm regards

Bookku (talk) 10:07, 26 November 2020 (UTC)
 * I'll check if I have time. Beshogur (talk) 11:36, 26 November 2020 (UTC)

Kavalalı Mehmed Ali Paşa
Merhaba, sizden bir konuda yardım istemekteyim. Kavalalı Mehmed Ali Paşa'nın wikipedia sayfasında Arnavut olduğu ve atalarının Korçe'den geldiğinin düşünüldüğü yazılmış fakat Prens Abbas Hilmi şu videoda 15.50de İliçten Konya'ya oradan Edirne'ye ve sonunda Kavalaya geldiklerini söylüyor. İslamansiklopedisinde'de bundan bahsedilmiş. Bunu düzeltme gibi bir ihtimaliniz var mı? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.104.71.22 (talk) 18:33, 28 November 2020 (UTC)

Joke Edits
Many thanks for your sound advice. However, I think it may be misplaced in the case of the pasta city. I made no joke edits; all my edits in Fusili were quite serious. Perhaps you are thinking of the talk page? In which case I'm happy to advise you that a high degree of latitude is allowed in talk pages. Thank again for your interest. Laurel Lodged (talk) 20:17, 29 November 2020 (UTC)

On Beishi and Nushibi of the Western Turks
Greetings, Beshogur. On the Western Turkic Khaganate article I wrote a note that "Beishi (卑失) in Jiu Tangshu 110 Qibi Heli is possibly clerical error for Nushibi (弩失畢)" because a similar list of clans/tribes (xing) in Jiu Tangshu 215b Helu has Nushibi (弩失畢). However, I found a paper by Hayrettin İhsan Erkoç (free for download here) where Erkoç identified the Beishi with the Barsil. However, I used Google translate to have an idea what Erkoç talked about & I'm not a native Turkish speaker so I won't dare integrate Erkoç's research into the Western Turkic Khaganate article. Whenever you're available, would you please have a look? Thanks in advance & Regards! Erminwin (talk) 19:22, 4 December 2020 (UTC)
 * I can help but exactly which page are you talking about? Beshogur (talk) 19:35, 4 December 2020 (UTC)
 * The page is Western Turkic Khaganate, the note is note 29 Western Turkic Khaganate in section Western Turkic Khaganate. If you think note 29 to be wrong, just feel free to delete it or modify it however you please using Erkoç's research. Erminwin (talk) 20:38, 4 December 2020 (UTC)
 * I can't read Chinese, and still don't understand what the issue is, can you elaborate? Beshogur (talk) 20:58, 4 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Alright. In Jiu Tangshu, volume 110, section Qibi Heli, it is said that Ashina Helu rebelled and led these five tribes: 處月 - Chuyue、處蜜 - Chumi、姑蘇 - Gusu、歌邏祿 Geluolu、卑失, Beishi; however, in Jiu Tangshu, volum 215, section Helu, it is said that Ashina Helu governed the multitude, which comprised the 處月 - Chuyue、處蜜 - Chumi、姑蘇 - Gusu、歌邏祿 - Geluolu、and 弩失畢五姓 - Nushibi. I proposed that 卑失 Beishi was a clerical error for Nushibi 弩失畢. When I used Google translate to read Erkoç's Turkish-language article, Erkoç apparently took the opposite position, that 卑失 Beishi was correct & Nushibi 弩失畢 resulted from scribal error. Hope this'd help. Erkoç discussed the Beishi on pages 107-109 of his article Erminwin (talk) 21:35, 4 December 2020 (UTC)
 * If I am reading right on p 109, he says that Beishi on the Qibi Heli biography (XTS) might be misspelling of Nushibi. I hope it's the correct thing. Beshogur (talk) 23:09, 4 December 2020 (UTC)

Translation help?
Hi Beshogur! I recently translated Osman Kibar from Turkish (using mostly Google translate, not any language skill) and I'm looking to potentially nominate it for DYK. Since you speak Turkish, I was wondering if you might be able to help translate a passage from a source to confirm it's saying what I think it is. From here: "– Bireysel servetle ne kadar ilgilisiniz? Hiç ilgimi çekmiyor. Ailem, eşim ve çocuklarım dışında benim sadece kendim için harcadığım para yıllık 20 bin TL'yi bile bulmaz…

– Zirve için ABD'den 2 günlüğüne bir pantolonla gelmişsiniz, üzerinizdeki tişört de kız kardeşinizin eşi Uğur Bayar'a aitmiş… Ne alıyorsunuz kendiniz için? En çok kitap, biraz da sinema bileti. Zevk aldığım aktiviteler bedava. Çocuklarınla vakit geçirmek, kitap okumak, GO oyunu oynamak, sinemaya gitmek…"

Any assistance you're inclined to give would be much appreciated! Cheers, &#123;{u&#124; Sdkb  }&#125;  talk 06:01, 5 December 2020 (UTC)


 * Hello. Yes the translations are correct except it should be: "mostly books". Beshogur (talk) 09:56, 5 December 2020 (UTC)

More eyes may be useful
Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 17:45, 9 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Already watching Osman I, will watch the other as well. Beshogur (talk) 18:33, 9 December 2020 (UTC)

Talish
I've restored the Azerbaijani name now as you raised that as an issue - though "Talish" is the English language version of both the Azerbaijani and Armenian name for the village and it would probably be prudent to rename the article eventually per WP:COMMONNAME. AntonSamuel (talk) 15:23, 12 December 2020 (UTC)
 * see another relevant discussion about this issue. Beshogur (talk) 15:28, 12 December 2020 (UTC)

Diyarbakir
Hello, about the latest update in the article Diyarbakır, reliable public information has been retrieved for an unconvincing reason. Nor can it be justified by Hashemite theories as it is history and does not coincide with what was mentioned above. If you have a note, write it here or on the article talk page before starting any cross-out. Thanks. Torivar (talk) 00:00, 13 December 2020 (UTC)

ANI
Hi - FYI, there's a thread at WP:ANI which concerns you; the user who raised it didn't notify you, so I'm doing so now. Best Girth Summit  (blether)  14:35, 13 December 2020 (UTC)

Vandalism by Torivar
Hi, a user named Torivar keeps vandalizing and adding POV information to the Kirkuk page MasgoufMaster (talk) 19:20, 13 December 2020 (UTC)

Osman's date of birth
I was only going by what the available source states(including the quote that is shown). Also, you should realize that user:Toaster9 has a habit of adding dates of birth to other articles with nothing but their own opinion. Toaster9 is most likely user:Ulyvoei. --Kansas Bear (talk) 20:29, 14 December 2020 (UTC)
 * I don't know that user but I think Kemalpasazade's claim should be in infobox? What do you think? Checked the source myself. Beshogur (talk) 20:31, 14 December 2020 (UTC)
 * I have nothing against referenced information. --Kansas Bear (talk) 20:42, 14 December 2020 (UTC)

Season's Greetings
Thanks! Wishing the same. Beshogur (talk) 17:47, 21 December 2020 (UTC)

About Ataturk's assassination attempt in the ITC article.
Hello Beshogur, with the fall of the unionist government at the end of WWI, ITC splintered into many factions. Most of them eventually pledged allegiance into Mustafa Kemal Pasha's Mudaafa Hukuk Cemiyeti (later Cumhuriyet Halk Fırkısı) however some were against his leadership. This rogue unionist faction tried to attempted to assassinate Ataturk in 1926, but the plot was uncovered and a purge was conducted which left the committee dead for good. I recommend you read the article on Ataturk's attempted assassination — Preceding unsigned comment added by Benlittlewiki (talk • contribs) 19:24, 21 December 2020 (UTC)

God Jul och Gott Nytt År!
 Gråbergs Gråa Sång is wishing you the season's greetings. Whether you celebrate your hemisphere's solstice or Christmas, Diwali, Hogmanay, Hanukkah, Lenaia, Festivus, or the Saturnalia, this is a special time of year for (almost) everyone.


 * Tack själv, sana da mutlu yıllar! Beshogur (talk) 14:13, 22 December 2020 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!
thanks, not sure if I earned this barnstar haha. I searched the history and found this edit. Considering it's given after his death, it is posthumously. Also checked Chinese wiki, seems like that's from there. (根据《元史·太祖本纪》记载，“元年丙寅，帝大会诸王群臣，建九斿白旗，即皇帝位于斡难河之源，诸王群臣共上尊号曰成吉思皇帝. ”《元史·祭祀三·宗庙上》记载，至元十三年，元朝太庙中元太祖的牌位上写的是“成吉思皇帝”，原文是：“是岁，改作金主，太祖主题曰“成吉思皇帝”，睿宗题曰“太上皇也可那颜”，皇后皆题名讳. ”具体内容可参见：《元史·祭祀三·宗庙上》 页面存档备份，存于互联网档案馆“成吉思皇帝”这一称呼，还见于元朝全真教掌教李志常写的《长春真人西游记》，正文中和书后面附录记载的圣旨中对元太祖的称呼也是“成吉思皇帝”. 具体内容可参见：《长春真人西游记》 页面存档备份，存于互联网档案馆 1998年12月，一块“成吉思皇帝圣旨金牌”发现于河北廊坊，上面正面刻双钩汉字：“天赐，成吉思皇帝圣旨，疾. ”背面牌心刻双钩契丹文，其意：速、走马，或快马. 具体内容可参见：成吉思文物“成吉思皇帝圣旨金牌”的发现 页面存档备份，存于互联网档案馆) don't try to read it. Beshogur (talk) 13:05, 24 December 2020 (UTC)

I am quite new to Wiki and I was compelled to thank you with a gesture... I was debating on gifting a virtual goat.

I would like to emphasize that I was not and still not able to find any official sources validating this posthumous "official" title. The original note read "Before Kublai Khan announced the dynastic name "Great Yuan" in 1271, Khagans (Great Khans) of the Mongol State (Ikh Mongol Uls) already started to use the Chinese title of Emperor (Chinese: 皇帝; pinyin: Huángdì) practically in the Chinese language since Genghis Khan (as 成吉思皇帝; 'Genghis Huangdi')." The source isn't verified.

1. Genghis Khan died in 1227, 44 years before 1271, when the Yuan Dynasty was officially established under Kublai Khan. There are no sources to verify the Huangdi title was used to refer to Genghis Khan.

2. The title of an imperial rank in Mongolic/Turkic language stands as Khan " Mongolian Script: ᠬᠠᠭᠠᠨ ; Chinese: 可汗; pinyin: Kèhán or Chinese: 大汗; pinyin: Dàhán; Persian: خاقان‎ Khāqān, alternatively spelled Kağan, Kagan, Khaghan, Kaghan, Khakan, Khakhan, Xagahn, Qaghan, Chagan, Қан, or Kha'an" as more phonetically familiar. < Vovin, Alexander. 2010. Once Again on the Ruan-ruan Language. Ötüken'den İstanbul'a Türkçenin 1290 Yılı (720–2010) Sempozyumu From Ötüken to Istanbul, 1290 Years of Turkish (720–2010). 3–5 Aralık 2010, İstanbul / 3–5 December 2010, İstanbul: 1–10.>
 * I didn't include it either. Perhaps see the relevant discussion at the article's talk page. I just added that it's posthumously if this true.Beshogur (talk) 14:28, 24 December 2020 (UTC)

Notice of Dispute resolution noticeboard discussion
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Link to the dispute Regards, Armatura (talk) 23:33, 25 December 2020 (UTC)
 * huh, what am I supposed to say? Did barely edit last one month. Beshogur (talk) 23:57, 25 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Well, your revert triggered the discussion, and I did not hear an explanation from you. I had to invite all involved editors. Participation is not mandatory, though, you are not required to participate, but you are invited and encouraged to help this dispute come to a resolution. Regards, Armatura (talk) 00:12, 26 December 2020 (UTC)

I prefer to abstain it. I deleted that because it was WP:OR, so unrelated. You said something like: (not your words ofc, my interpretation) this statement is similar to as Russia's, etc. and putting old links. Which are first unrelated, secondly mixing up sources and inventing a sentence. I hope you understand. About dispute noticeboard, I didn't even follow the rest of the discussion about war crimes, etc. And you can see I barely edited last month there. Beshogur (talk) 01:02, 26 December 2020 (UTC)
 * You have all rights to abstain from suggested discussion and to interpret others' statements your way. Thank you for your work on the article as a whole. Regards Armatura (talk) 01:12, 26 December 2020 (UTC)

Thanks you too. Commented by the way. Beshogur (talk) 01:13, 26 December 2020 (UTC)

Not following prominent instructions/misuse of admin noticeboards for content disputes
If I see another bogus report at noticeboard, you will be blocked from using them. OhNo itsJamie Talk 14:59, 28 December 2020 (UTC)