User talk:Betterthanrevengesan

The Suite Life on Deck
Regarding this edit, I'm afraid that your explanation doesn't make sense. The Disney citation (you can't get more reliable than that for this information), quite clearly establishes the position of the Sprouse brothers. It places them before Song in the cast list and in the description of the series. They are also credited before Song in each episode and, of course, there is the name transition from The Suite Life of Zack & Cody. There's simply no justification to placing her or her character before the Sprouse brothers, so the convention is that we list them as they are credited, despite what the fans may think. --AussieLegend (talk) 10:18, 29 October 2010 (UTC) The Disney source does not establish the position of the Sprouse brothers. The cast order is irrelevant when we are describing the function of the actors, this isn't the TV show's cast order summed up in a paragraph. The name transition from The Suite Life of Zack & Cody is irrelevant because The Suite Life on Deck is not 'The Suite Life of Zack & Cody'. Everything on Wikipedia must be sourced by the use of a reliable source which actually supports the text by verifying the actors indeed portray the male leads. I am hoping to make the article a GA article, by doing so we need to reference everything regardless of what you believe. I have previously worked on articles like this one (using a different account) and helped make them GA ones, I hope that you find an actual extremely reliable source which states the Sprouse Brothers portray the lead males. By doing so, what goes first in the sentence also becomes irrelevant. The sentence is not summing the cast order, the sentence is solely directing the readers to the Wall Street Journal source. The other 'source' doesn't establish what we are trying to convey to the readers. We need to remember Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a site based on personal preferences and what is in an episode. Everything we state must be sourced. It's just the way it is, years from now the younger generation will be looking back and referencing Wikipedia. Right now the credibility of the site is weak and the television series' article is not helping deviate from that popular belief. Regardless of what you have seen on television, in the distant future this won't be held accountable. I did not place her character behind the Sprouse twins nor am I a fan of any of these performers on the children-aimed television network. I placed a highly sourced piece of information above another because the text is sourced by an extremely reliable source. There is simply a huge lack of justification to support why you would have a poorly sourced piece of information above an actual factual piece of information sourced by an extremely credible and reliable source which is among the most-read and reputable newspapers of the late 20th century and the early 21st century (2000-present). Moreover, the fact is the sentence is not the cast order. I did not alter the cast order nor did I have the intention to assert Brenda Song is credited above Dylan Sprouse and Cole Sprouse in the opening credits of the Suite Life on Deck series. Additionally, my edit did not assert nor allude Song is credited above Dylan Sprouse and Cole Sprouse in the opening credits of the Disney-produced television series, the readers are not deceived to believe Song is credited above Dylan Sprouse and Cole Sprouse in the opening credits of the series and I cannot believe we are edit-warring over something plainly idiotic and childish as this because who is billed first and second in a 80 second opening credit of a series is completely irrelevant to the context and irrelevant as a whole because I did not touch the 'starring' sections. Over the past few weeks, I have noticed how poor the state of the 'Suite Life on Deck' article and its template (I will shortly contact an administrator to eradicate that mess); the poor state has inspired me to improve the state of the article, develop the article (articles when including the 'episodes', video games, 'list of characters' pages) and help promote the article to the status of 'GA' and 'FA' articles.
 * "Starring fan favorites Dylan and Cole Sprouse," quite clearly establishes these as two of the five lead actors, as does the fact that they are credited at the beginning of each episode. --AussieLegend (talk) 10:53, 29 October 2010 (UTC)