User talk:Beverly Simmons

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 * Thank you! Beverly Simmons (talk) 19:44, 8 February 2023 (UTC)

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February 2023
Hi Beverly Simmons! I noticed that you recently marked an edit as minor&#32;at Jeannie G. Pool that may not have been. "Minor edit" has a very specific definition on Wikipedia—it refers only to superficial edits that could never be the subject of a dispute, such as typo corrections or reverting obvious vandalism. Any edit that changes the meaning of an article is not a minor edit, even if it only concerns a single word. Please see Help:Minor edit for more information. Thank you. Kj cheetham (talk) 15:38, 19 February 2023 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the clarification. I'm only beginning to understand the ins and outs of Wikipedia, and I appreciate your kind instruction! Beverly Simmons (talk) 02:17, 28 February 2023 (UTC)

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Ross W. Duffin moved to draftspace
Thanks for your contributions to Ross W. Duffin. Unfortunately, it is not ready for publishing because '''Large number of sections that are unsourced. Use of block structure to represent instead of prose. Large sections are unsourced. An excessive amount of intricate details most of which is unsourced and of little encylopeadic value. '''. Your article is now a draft where you can improve it undisturbed for a while.

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 * I understand that the "intricate details" do not interest you, although I think they will interest some readers. Also, I don't understand your saying that "Large sections are unsourced." Do you want a secondary source for the education, academic history, and family sections? For the books, editions, and articles? For the radio and other recordings? For the notable former students. Any or all of these? Beverly Simmons (talk) 19:40, 22 June 2023 (UTC)
 * This article was approved earlier this month and assessed as C-Class, placing it above 81% of submissions. Can that be overruled by just one reader/judge? Beverly Simmons (talk) 19:43, 22 June 2023 (UTC)
 * By the way, Wikipedia doesn't have "judges" or "judgements". Articles for Creation reviewers are just volunteers. Edward-Woodrow :) [ talk ] 23:05, 24 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you for this clarification. I’m learning a lot about this process. 2600:6C50:1900:21A6:7511:D8E:3542:4D24 (talk) 04:54, 26 June 2023 (UTC)
 * encyclopaedic is misspelled: the second "c" is missing and the digraph "ae" is reversed. Beverly Simmons (talk) 20:14, 22 June 2023 (UTC)
 * @Beverly Simmons the class assessments are largely meaningless except for WP:GA and WP:FA which go through a formal review to determine they meet those criteria. A bot does them for drafts. Sorry, its a poor process and misleading.  S0091 (talk) 20:30, 22 June 2023 (UTC)

Managing a conflict of interest
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 * After you have declared your COI, you will need to submit the draft for review (again). You may also find WP:EXPERT helpful given your background/expertise along with WP:SELFCITE.  This is not to punish you but to ensure transparency.  My best advice for Draft:Ross W. Duffin is to only include his most notable works, like 5-7-ish, meaning independent secondary sources have written about them extensively.  See also WP:NOTLIST.
 * @Scope creep outside of the mind-numbing lists (sorry, best way to describe it), do you think Draft:Ross W. Duffin meets notability or are there other issues? S0091 (talk) 20:46, 22 June 2023 (UTC)
 * There was a POI statement in the published article, but it disappeared in the re-draft. So I have added it back. Beverly Simmons (talk) 21:33, 22 June 2023 (UTC)
 * @Beverly Simmons thanks. I went ahead and added it to your User page as well (all bases covered!). Please take the time to cleanup the draft. Not everything he has written or done is worth noting in an encyclopedia. S0091 (talk) 21:43, 22 June 2023 (UTC)
 * What does "notability" mean? Does the fact that Ross Duffin has received the top awards by organizations in the field of early music count? How about his authoring books that are internationally known? Or his reputation as the educator of many current leaders in the fields of music, early and otherwise? What about the YouTube videos he produced, which have been viewed in more than 200 countries? The fact that Syracuse University called him a "world-renowned musicologist"? Beverly Simmons (talk) 21:46, 22 June 2023 (UTC)
 * I can tell you for certain the number of YouTube views does not matter a bit nor the demographics of those viewers. The only thing that matters is what other independent reliable sources have written about him or his work. You need to significantly trim everything listed under the Work section to only his most notable work, leaving it to about 7-ish.  Right now it is just a dump of everything and that is not what Wikipedia is for. S0091 (talk) 22:02, 22 June 2023 (UTC)
 * I apologize for any incivility. In future, I will not write when I'm feeling defensive. I appreciate your references and will follow them as best I can.
 * But I do want to clarify that Draft:Ross W. Duffin does indeed meet at least two notability criteria: (2) he has received several national awards from the American Musicological Society and Early Music America; and (5) he held a named chair (Fynette H. Kulas chair) and was named a Distinguished University Professor.
 * I hope these facts put the notability issue to rest. Beverly Simmons (talk) 23:43, 22 June 2023 (UTC)
 * You were not uncivil. Perhaps frustrated and bewildered but certainly not uncivil.  I do not think the issue is notability.  It was the volume of frankly cruft inappropriate for an encyclopedia article and large portions unsourced.  I added a Personal life section but it needs sources.  I also added citation needed tags in a couple other places.  Given you have a COI once this is back in main space, you will not be able to edit it directly so I would rather leave it in draft for now so you can continue to work on it.  At this point it just needs some fine-tuning.  S0091 (talk) 15:31, 23 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Hi again, I just reverted your update because the sources do not support what they need to support. Wikipedia has strict rules when writing about living people (see the WP:Biographies of living people policy).  Content needs to be verifiable using published reliable sources.  This does mean in order for the children to be included, there needs to be a source supporting they are Duffin's children.  Surely there is a source somewhere that states he has two children, right?  His sister may be more tricky.  S0091 (talk) 17:50, 23 June 2023 (UTC)
 * I think the article is acceptable so let me know when you are ready and I will move it back to main space. I did check Newspapers.com and ProQuest to support the children but came up empty (I like digging for the harder things to find) so will leave it as is.  I doubt anyone will dispute it although unsourced claims can technically be removed and we do have editors who are very strict with their reading of policy so while it may seem odd to be so "picky", there is reason and precedent.  As I am sure you know, Shakespeare’s Songbook was widely reviewed and easily meets the criteria for its own article, if not others (see WP:NBOOKS) so something to keep in mind if you are inclined to create another article.  Happy to provide some of the reviews I came across in my research.  I also note he is cited several times within Wikipedia.  S0091 (talk) 19:44, 23 June 2023 (UTC)
 * I appreciate your detailed advice and encouragement. And I'm very glad that you feel the article is now acceptable! But I'm not quite ready to submit it. I'd like to add a brief paragraph about his music editions, performing, and recordings. I promise not make it too lengthy, and certainly not as a list! Beverly Simmons (talk) 21:30, 23 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Sounds good. :) Just drop a note on my talk page when you are ready. S0091 (talk) 15:54, 24 June 2023 (UTC)

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 * Thank you so much! I really appreciate your guidance and encouragement. Beverly Simmons (talk) 21:04, 25 June 2023 (UTC)
 * I didn't realize that the article had been moved, so I have just made several changes and corrections. These include descriptions of his academic positions, and a few new references. Is it possible to add these to the page? Beverly Simmons (talk) 21:05, 25 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Hmm...the move should not have stepped on any changes/updates you made. Making a couple tweaks is fine and adding independent secondary sources is generally fine even with a COI.  Also while extremely unlikely, if there are ever issues that violate WP:BLP (disparaging unsourced/poorly sourced content, etc), you can report those to WP:BLPN.  S0091 (talk) 21:20, 25 June 2023 (UTC)
 * I was able to make the small changes to the published page, after all. Again thanks! Beverly Simmons (talk) 21:26, 25 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you so much! I really appreciate your guidance and encouragement. Beverly Simmons (talk) 21:21, 25 June 2023 (UTC)

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