User talk:BezosibnyjUA

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Proposed deletion of Ukrainian surnames


The article Ukrainian surnames has been proposed for deletion&#32; because of the following concern:
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Mass renaming
Hello. As yet another editor on a renaming spree of established English names, you should be aware of the Eastern Europe arbitration case and the sanctions applying to disruptive editing in these articles. In short, this warning applies to you as well. --illythr (talk) 18:17, 19 July 2012 (UTC)
 * One more thing: Wikipedia has a rather strict no personal attacks policy, that expressly forbids things like this. While I personally don't mind being added to the list (I enjoy collecting such labels), you probably don't want to provide EE admins with even more reasons for blocking you. --illythr (talk) 20:23, 19 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Not sure how one can interpret referring to someone as an Ukrainophob as a personal attack. It simply says that those people consciously/subconsciously dislike all things related to Ukraine and Ukrainian language and try to force their Russian-centered worldview. --BezosibnyjUA (talk) 20:44, 19 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Which is a personal attack, yup. Do read the policies; WP:COMMONNAME as well. As for all those names, you see, Wikipedia doesn't care which pronunciation or transcription is "true". All that matters is how they're used in English language reliable sources. And since they have derived the names from Russian (and Jewish) sources for centuries, these names have become well-established. Now that Ukraine's an independent state, the trend is slowly changing, particularly for modern names (as you noticed with Myrhorod), but names of prominent historical figures are too deeply rooted to change. In any case, such change must take place outside of Wikipedia. If you can demonstrate that this has already happened, then no one will prevent you from updating the spelling. If, however, you try to push your version against hundreds of sources (like with those Razumovsky fellas), while building "enemy lists" and taunting your opponents - it only becomes a matter of how soon a Rouge admin spots you at it. --illythr (talk) 21:13, 19 July 2012 (UTC)


 * Note that the no personal attacks policy applies to all Wikimedia projects, including the Ukrainian Wikipedia (see uk:ВП:НО, uk:ВП:Е etc). Now, seeing as how most ukWiki editors apparently share your... views, it is unlikely that you will be sanctioned there. However, by moving evidence of your personal attack-laden attempt to use Wikipedia as a battleground (uk) via a click-through to a sister project, while making it even more explicit, you are shooting yourself in the foot here - that edit pretty much kills any good faith an uninvolved admin might be willing to assume on your behalf. --illythr (talk) 23:50, 19 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Well, since I've been warned that my list of users who are likely to be members of Ukrainophobs cabal can be viewed as personal attack, I decided to move into to the User-"Sandbox" area (Граймайданчик) of Ukrainian Wikipedia. According to my knowledge user sandboxes are created so that user could write various things that might not be ready for anywhere else in Wikipedia space, which is exactly what I did. P.S. As for the list of proposed names of Wikipedia Ukrainophs Cabal, once again if it was the front page of my user-page I would probably never include it (it's too edgy/humorous/troll-like etc. But since it's a sandbox - why not?
 * P.P.S. Illythr, Let's be honest, there is no such thing as an uninvolved admin here (Ukrainian related articles): there is either involved ones (pro-Russian/pro-Ukrainian spelling) or just outsiders that were called to punish those nasty Ukrainians by the pro-Russian ones. The overwhelming majority of people who could be even semi-interested in writing English language articles in Wikipedia are either Ukrainian or Russian users of Wikipedia (That tiny minority of some scholars that are doing research on Ukraine and would be interested in creating/epanding/contributing to such articles is a dwarf comparing to an army of Russian/Ukrainian users in Wikipedia. And I've lived in the US long enough to know the degree of interest-in-other cultures in English speaking countries (USA/Canda/UK/Australia); and, frankly, if this other-culture is some semi-unknown to them country in Eastern Europe, Ukraine, this interest is even smaller. Hence, in the vast majority of cases the editors of such Ukrainian-related articles will be those very people from Ukraine/Russia who are interested in the topic and posess at least semi-descent command of English. --BezosibnyjUA (talk) 00:11, 20 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Because personal attacks are forbidden everywhere on Wikipedia. But hey, it's your call - honesty is a virtue after all. I only pointed out the obvious disadvantage of that particular form of it. --illythr (talk) 00:58, 20 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes, there are uninvolved admins - and they're uninvolved precisely because they don't share either ideology (and probably aren't really interested in the topic much). They're there to keep the disruption out, so that other people might start editing constructively (as opposed to fighting over the spelling). Indeed, Eastern Europe articles are so Plague-ridden that monitoring all that mess tends to exhaust their patience much quicker, potentially distributing bans all around. Which is probably ultimately for the best, meh.  --illythr (talk) 00:58, 20 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Anyhow, if you want to rename an article in the ethnic war zone, do an English language Google Books or Google Scholar search first. If the name you want is dominant, start a move request on the talk page and make your case. If it's not - then it's still too early. --illythr (talk) 00:58, 20 July 2012 (UTC)


 * Пишу по-русски, так как не силён в английских вики-терминах. За такие дела нужно просто бессрочно блокировать. HOBOPOCC (talk) 20:28, 19 July 2012 (UTC)
 * No comment. Yet another of the "brave Russian-values defendors"--BezosibnyjUA (talk) 20:44, 19 July 2012 (UTC)

Your userpage
Hi!

I believe that list of other editors on your userpage whom you call "Ukrainophobian" is inappropriate and a clear attack on those users. Hence I ask you to remove it. Thanks in advance. vvvt 21:05, 19 July 2012 (UTC)

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Controversial moves
If you wish to make controversial moves, as you did at Kiev Pechersk Lavra, you need to make a move proposal, which can then be discussed. You can find instructions at Requested moves.--Toddy1 (talk) 19:33, 16 January 2014 (UTC)
 * There's nothing controversial about the move, so no need for duscussion. --BezosibnyjUA (talk) 16:38, 17 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Please read Talk:Kiev.--Toddy1 (talk) 23:56, 17 January 2014 (UTC)

Stop the undiscussed moves
Please stop your undiscussed moves of chess biography pages. You are moving pages to names not found in any of the sources used on the pages, and this is contrary to WP:COMMONNAME. Your talk page demonstrates that you have continued to do this for many months even though several people have asked you to stop. Quale (talk) 01:46, 25 January 2014 (UTC)
 * What undiscussed moves? That's the proper spelling from Ukrainian. I'm correcting the wrong spelling.--BezosibnyjUA (talk) 23:12, 25 January 2014 (UTC)
 * You don't discuss any of your moves, and most or all of them are contrary to en.Wikipedia guidelines. My understanding is that the proper Ukrainian spelling uses the Cyrillic alphabet.  This is the English Wikipedia, not the Ukrainian Wikipedia, and it uses the spellings commonly found in English-language sources that use the Latin alphabet.  Please read WP:TITLE before making any more page moves.  Quale (talk) 11:02, 26 January 2014 (UTC)

April 2014
Please remember to assume good faith when dealing with other editors, which you did not do on State Anthem of Ukraine. Thank you. Львівське (говорити) 01:23, 29 April 2014 (UTC)

December 2014
Hello, I'm Iryna Harpy. Wikipedia is written by people who have a wide diversity of opinions, but we try hard to make sure articles have a neutral point of view. Your recent edit to Kievan Rus' seemed less than neutral to me, so I removed it for now. If you think I made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page. '' Please note that this issue has been discussed for years. This is English language Wikipedia, therefore we go by WP:COMMONNAME.'' Iryna Harpy (talk) 22:37, 15 December 2014 (UTC)

There is currently a discussion at Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you.-- Toddy1 (talk) 23:02, 15 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Thank you very much to you too, Mr. Toody1. I will say, as I said before, the link is in no way a personal attack on editors of Wikipedia. It is merely a list of editors who are members of Ukrainophobs cabal - people who defent Russian-based spelling of Ukraine-related proper nouns, as opposed to correct Ukrainian-based ones. --BezosibnyjUA (talk) 23:09, 15 December 2014 (UTC)