User talk:Bgl2010

Kevin Spacey
Please do not change the name on this article. I'm not sure what source you use, but this name is referenced directly from an interview with Kevin Spacey, archived here from Film Monthly. In it, Spacey said "My great grandfather's name was Spacey. It's a Welsh name. It's my middle name and I've been using it my whole life." Unless you know something Kevin Spacey doesn't know, that is his name. Wildhartlivie (talk) 09:06, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

Forgive me but if you Google Kevin Matthew Fowler it comes up Kevin Spacey time and time again. Yes, he did take his Mother's maiden name Spacey but his middle name is Matthew. Please google it. (Bgl2010 (talk) 09:41, 24 June 2009 (UTC))

You can help me though how do I get his new movie Father of Invention inside that box. It begins filming in New Orleans June 29, 2009 Thanks! (Bgl2010 (talk) 09:51, 24 June 2009 (UTC))
 * Actually, when I google "Kevin Matthew Fowler", I get about 250 hits, but when I google "Kevin Spacey Fowler", I get 4350 hits . The problem is that it's not clear that there are any reliable sources that confirm definitively, so we're left with the direct interview where he said Spacey. At some point, perhaps something more definitive will show up. To put the new film in the filmography box, it would be done this way. Note that we don't generally add a film until it has entered some phase of definite production. In general, although it's not a reliable site for things other than film credits, if a film is listed at IMDB and not posted as a rumor or unconfirmed, it will be added. Films noted as in development at IMDB Pro or not listed at all requires a reliable outside source, otherwise it needs to wait. Thanks. Wildhartlivie (talk) 18:45, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

When I was editing the Kevin Spacey page and put his middle name as Matthew not Spacey you said you got it right from Kevin Spacey himself but if you are the one who wrote the original page you contradict yourself with the following passage:

"While in high school, he took his mother's maiden name, "Spacey", originally a Welsh name, belonging to his great-great-grandfather (spelled "Spacy"), as his acting surname.". That IS the truth. In retrospect if he's been using that name since high school then one could say he's been using it his whole life.

Reference:

Ancestry of Kevin Spacey 1    Kevin Matthew Fowler ("Kevin Spacey"), b. South Orange, N. J., 26 July 1959 PARENTS 2    Thomas Geoffrey Fowler, b. ... 4 June 1924, d. Atlanta, Ga., 24 Dec. 1992 [SSDI 545-xx-xxxx ] m. 3    Kathleen A ..., b. ... 5 Dec. 1931, d. ... 19 March 2003 [SSDI 568-xx-xxxx GRANDPARENTS 4    ... Fowler, b. ..., d. ... m.

EXTRACTS from the U.S. FEDERAL DECENNIAL CENSUS

I am not trying to be difficult here but if is this something you read in a magazine which as we all know can be wrong. They have a bad habit of misquoting people all the time. Case in point The NY Daily News reports he took his name from Spencer Tracy which we both know is not true. As you can see the above is from a Federal Census document.

And this is from WIKIQUOTE: Kevin Spacey (born Kevin Matthew Fowler on July 26, 1959) is an American actor.

If you want to continue to print misinformation that's fine I could go on with this but I won't. It's not my website and you can print what you want but his middle name is Matthew....sorry!

And I wouldn't rely too much on IMDB Pro I got my information from one of the producers of the film which I consider a reliable source. He is in New Orleans as we speak. IMDB reports that he appeared in TV show Criminal Minds but according to Mr. Spacey he was not. I find it amusing you consider a magazine a reliable source.

Have a nice day and I hope you feel better! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bgl2010 (talk • contribs)


 * Excuse me, but you're making a number of assumptions and statements that are way off base and I find your attitude less than acceptable. I did not say I got it from Kevin Spacey himself, I said it was obtained from a source considered reliable by Wikipedia guidelines that contains an interview with Kevin Spacey and I gave a direct link to that interview. Meanwhile, no one person wrote the article, as you could find out from the page history. The statement further in the article that you quote above is actually referenced to a page that doesn't support the statement and needs to be revised, now that I've looked at it. Wikiquote does not cite sources on the Kevin Spacey page and it is totally unclear where it came from except added by an unregistered IP from Germany three years ago. The Wikiquote page has barely been edited since its creation and has no references I saw the page that contained that ancestry information from Wargs when I was looking at websites. The page also says it "should not be considered either exhaustive or authoritative" and I have doubts about extracts from the census that contains partial social security numbers. It isn't clear what precise information may or may not have been on a census report, but Warg's isn't considered a reliable source without clear indication of where something was obtained. They certainly didn't get Social Security information from census documents and census reports from after 1930 are not published for the public due to privacy concerns. Finally, please re-read what I said about IMDB and IMDB Pro. If it is already listed in the public access listing of film roles, it is generally included here as a role, but nothing else. If it is listed as a rumored or unconfirmed role, or it indicates it is only currently listed on IMDB Pro, then it requires an outside source. Nowhere did I say anyone should rely on it. And for the record, something a producer told you in person is not citable as a source without being included in a reliable 3rd party vetted source. It's about sourcing, truth frequently varies from place to place. Wildhartlivie (talk) 21:58, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

Whoa lighten up here. I was not copping an attitude, I am only trying to help you. I just asked if you got your information from Mr. Spacey himself or from a magazine which can be "unreliable". They have a habit of taking things out of context to make it more interesting. I wasn't accusing you of anything. I "x" ed out the SSDI by the way. You're right you did say noone should rely on it but from I'm reading from you your site did just that. And as for reporting SSI information, I have been researching my own family tree for over 12 years and SS# are made public.

So, am I to understand even though one of the producers blogged that he is in New Orleans in pre-production for Spacey's next film that's not reliable? All I was trying to was clear up some misinformation you took it as a personal attack on your research. If you want to refer to him as Kevin "Keyser Soze" Spacey then who am I to disagree but his middle name is "Matthew". Tell you what, Mr. Spacey is on twitter.com why don't you ask him. I would but I don't want to be embarrassed. And, I did mean it when I said I hoped you had a nice day. I read you were having health issues and hoped you were feeling better. (Bgl2010 (talk) 23:21, 24 June 2009 (UTC))


 * The fundamental issue on Wikipedia is sourcing and there are specific guidelines governing what makes a source considered reliable, which can be read at WP:RS. That concept covers most all publication, and in theory, this site is a publication. Basically, for a source to considered reliable, it has to be contained in a vetted, third party publication/product. Not every magazine, newspaper, book publisher, what have you, is considered reliable based on its track record and reputation for fact checking. Film Monthly is considered reliable. It reports what Spacey said to the interviewer in the article. It doesn't particularly mean that Spacey wasn't misleading the interviewer, but that would only be a guess. I'm not sure what you're referring to about what I said should not be relied upon, but I'm guessing it was IMDB Pro. By the time a film has entered the actual production phase, it has been covered in those same reliable sources and what the general IMDB might be used for is a guide, not the final source. IMDB Pro requires registration and (I think) payment of a fee to access it, so it doesn't much matter if it is considered reliable, because by Wikipedia policy, a site that requires a fee to access can't be used as a source. One of the things I took exception to was that it sounded as you were saying that I am personally responsible for the article and all that goes into it. The page has been edited by multiples of 100s of editors - I didn't count them all, but you can see the listing here. I just chose to answer your posting, although I've made efforts the last several months to keep the article neutral and in style congruence.


 * Actually, no, regarding the producer blogging about the production. It's not that he is unreliable, it is that blogs and blogspots aren't permitted as sources. No more than a book publisher would accept blogs as a source in a book. Blogs fall under sources that are not considered reliable. It has to be published. That extends to social networks and websites such as Twitter. If nothing can be found regarding an upcoming film anywhere except for someone's blog, then it can't be included. I should note however, that since the film has been covered, it was added to the filmography. Yes, I am aware that the Social Security Death Index will include Social Security numbers, but those people are deceased. To my knowledge, you cannot access the SS# for a living person. That's partially why complete recent census data wasn't released for a period of years - to prevent invasion of privacy and identity theft. And thanks for your good wishes. Wildhartlivie (talk) 02:55, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

Would you consider an updated photo of Kevin, it's nicer than the one you are using. (Bgl2010 (talk) 02:48, 25 June 2009 (UTC))


 * Photos should be free use images. Image guidelines are found at WP:IUP. A new free use image is always welcome. Wildhartlivie (talk) 02:55, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

I don't know where it came from so I don't know how to verify it may I still upload it? Thanks! And I am sorry for any assumptions I may have made. (Bgl2010 (talk) 03:36, 25 June 2009 (UTC))
 * Usually, if it isn't clear where an image came from, it will be assumed that it is copyrighted. If that is the case, I can tell you it would probably be deleted as a copyright violation. In most cases for living persons, the images have to be free use, which means either you took it or it comes from a source that has released its images to the public domain. I don't do a lot of work with images unless it is to crop them to better illustrate the subject, but I do know that there has to be a valid non-free use rationale accompanying images assumed to be copyright - which is mostly why I don't deal with them. Wildhartlivie (talk) 03:45, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

I downloaded it off the internet it accompanied an article on Kevin. I'll try and upload it if it gets deleted oh well. It is a real nice picture. (Bgl2010 (talk) 05:04, 25 June 2009 (UTC))