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"What proof do we have that Jesus was married ?" But rather, "where is there any proof that celibacy was a doctrinal law of God?”

The Bible we have was filtered through the early Catholic church, and thanks to Augustus celibacy was considered superior over the congress of man and woman and matrimony. Any text that would explicitly describe Jesus' matrimonial relationship with a woman or women would be excluded from the canonized texts we now have as a matter of course. Such texts do exist. Moreover, ancient Jewish/Israelite culture did not look upon celibacy favorably - quite the opposite. Men and women were expected to marry and have children. Marriage was ordained of God and is godly.

That's not to say that the scriptures we do have don't have very tantalizing evidence of Jesus' matrimonial status to two women. The first is here:

Now it came to pass, as they went, that he entered into a certain village: and a certain woman named Martha received him into her house. And she had a sister called Mary, which also sat at Jesus' feet, and heard his word. But Martha was cumbered about much serving, and came to him, and said, Lord, dost thou not care that my sister hath left me to serve alone? bid her therefore that she help me. Luke 10:38-40.

We have to put aside modern social customs and look at these verses in terms of ancient Jewish culture. What happens in these verses is that two sisters had a disagreement which was brought before a male for arbitration. The one who resolves an issue between women in a private home would be the father... or husband. That is key. It would not have been proper for anyone else to intervene in an intra-familial squabble. These verses are a very strong indicator of Jesus' relationship with Mary and Martha. They came to him because he was the man in charge - he was their husband.

From a theological standpoint, Jesus was required to marry in this life to “fulfill all righteousness.” Marriage is an essential ordinance and must be entered into in this life. But in order to “fulfill all righteousness” the Savior had to do more than just keep all the commandments and ordinances of the Gospel. He also had to keep all the covenants He made.

We must not forget that, as the God of Israel in the Old Testament, Jesus Christ, as Jehovah, made many covenants with His people. One of the covenants He made was with David. He promised David that there would always be an heir to his throne. (2 Samuel 7:16) In order to fulfill this covenant, the Lord had to continue the royal seed and could only do so by siring legitimate heirs Himself. Not to marry and not to have progeny would have violated His covenant with David. This the Lord would never do.

Mary the mother of Jesus and at that time and place women were between 12 and 14 when they got married, but that 14 was on the older side. Men were a little older. Keep in mind that Jesus had the intellect to govern Israel when he was 11 or 12. I'm sure he was mature enough to be married by the age of 16, which wouldn't have been unusual for that time. Let's say that he was married at 16 and had his first child at the age of 17 and that it was a girl. By the time he was 30 he would have had a 13-year-old girl who was ripe for marriage.

This math could even lead us to ask the question, who exactly was married at Cana? Let's say she was married at age 13 and had her first child one year later, when she was 14. Jesus would have had a grandchild by the age of 31, which wouldn't have been out of the ordinary for the time and place. At the age of about 33, he would have been on the cross, and he would have seen his seed, like Isaiah said, and his seed could have included children and even grandchildren (as well as his spiritual seed, whom he would have seen in vision). Nothing for sure, just math.

So what became of Jesus' children after His crucifixion and what became of His posterity? History, the prophets, and scripture provide partial answers to these questions. His descendants, along with the posterity of His siblings were, hunted, persecuted and killed from the earliest times. Even their genealogical records were destroyed in order to deny their very existence. Indeed, even before the crucifixion, according to the ecclesiastical historian, Eusebius of Caesarea, Herod burned the royal genealogies in order to promote his own specious nobility. (Eusebius, The History of the Church "From Christ to Constantine, I:7:13) According to the Icelandic Eddas, Not many years after the death and return of Jesus Christ, Peter the rest of the Apostles and most of the Church left the Holy Land and went unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

The Apostles and the Church, being lead by Christ, went through Turkland. Then they came to the north shore of the Black Sea. There on the Don River were people who were related to the people of Israel (The Wayne People). From these people the King chose certain men (Nord and Freyer) to replace his two brothers that they left in Israel. With the full Twelve and this additional people they continued their traveling.

Continuing the Sagas they went ... “... westward to Gardarike (the Viking name for “Russia”) and then south to Saxland (the Viking name for “Germany”).

Because the King was “All-wise” and had foreknowledge he chose not to build his, headquarters, for administering Germany and Europe on the Continent of Europe. Instead he built it on an Island just off the coast of peninsular Denmark. Because it was his headquarters the name of that Island is the name for “perfect joy”: “Fun (Fyn).”

Then, from Denmark, the King went over to Sweden. To the west of Stockholm there is a great Lake that is called, Maelare Lake, that, with other large Lakes, almost divides north Sweden from south Sweden. The King formed that Lake by the miracle of raising up a Mountain, that had been there, and putting it over into the Sea. That Mountain, then, in the Sea, was, thereafter, called, “Sea-land.” Today that is the Danish Island of Sjaelland (which means, “Sea-land,” in Danish), on which the Danish City of Copenhagen is located and which Island is the “Old ‘Zealand’” (in English) for which, “New Zealand” was named. He named the new Lake that formed there, “LAKE LAW” and built a small Temple on its shore. The place where he built that temple he called, “Sigtuna.” “Sig” is Swedish for “victory.” “Tuna” is Swedish for “town.” 400 years later, (as told in the Icelandic book, “The Prose Edda”), when Attila the Hun wanted to marry the Burgundian Princess, in the story at the heart of the “Nibelungen Lied,” Attila had to take his oath by that Temple at Sigtuna. Hey Google the infors..............

I have found at least 3 Nordic names that I believe belong to his(Jesus) children, as well as the Nordic names for one of his wives and the Nordic name for his mother. As just about every scholar knows the name Mary did not exist at the time of Jesus, nor did the name Jesus exist for that matter, Jesus is a Greek alteration of the Hebrew name for that which we in English use "Joshua."

Now I may have some things wrong but here it goes...

Jesus' oldest son is named Yngvi-Freyr, shortened to sound like “Ing,” Yng became one of the first Patriarch/Kings of the Swedish people, and Yng is where we get Eng for the English People. The Queen of England claims to be a decedent of Yng, was raised by his uncle "Njord," Jesus' brother-in-law and king in the "North," in an Israelite settlement on the north shore of the Black Sea, with the Israelite people who called themselves the Wayne People.

According to the Icelandic Sagas, when Jesus brought most of the Church in Jerusalem up to the north shore of the Black Sea where the Don River connects, Njord and Freyr were living with the people there, he took Njord and Freyr, changed Freyr’s name to Yng and put them into the 12 apostles of the Church.

Yng’s father is Jesus Christ, his foster father is Njord. Yng’s grandmother is Frigg, in Jerusalem Frigg’s name was the Hebrew for Miriam and Yng’s mother, and a wife of Jesus Christ is Freya, Both of these women were named the same in Jerusalem, the Nordics made some distinction, but it is from the name of Jesus Christ’s mother that we get the English word Free. Vivid-Dawn; On top of the U.S. Capital Building is a bronze statue of "Freedom." There is some debate as to who Freedom is, is she Athena from Greek Mythology or is she Freya from Nordic Mythology?

The “Holy Grail” are the decedents of Jesus Christ through Yng, who are the Patriarchal bloodline and kings of Sweden.

Glastonbury, England British Israel movement, English tradition and Vatican historians - some hold the view that the Jews drove several of the Lord's family/inner circle away in 36 AD - they tried to kill some by casting them adrift on the Mediterranean without or or sail... through divine providence they drifted to and landed at Marseillies, France - where they traveled north up the Rhone river to Switzerland, hen contied down the Rhine until they crossed the North Sea/English Channel, and created/joined a group of Israelites at Glastonbury...

Those mentioned as part of these outcasts are: Joseph of Arimethea (whom the locals in England seemed to know as being a tin merchant) Mary, mother of Jesus (died there in 48 AD- all the apostles are said to have met there for her funeral, and Christ then appeared there) Mary's cousin Anna (Joseph of A.'s daughter. - she is said to have married the royal Briton line, whom which comes the house of Tudor). Lazarus, and his sisters Mary & Martha (wives of Jesus) Mary Magdalene (a wife of Jesus) Marcella - a maid to Lazarus' sisters (a daughter of theirs & Jesus?) Maximin - a disciple (a son?)

I do not believe this list is complete.... it is highly likely that if Joseph step-father of Jesus died before Jesus was a full adult, then Joseph of A. took his grand-nephew Jesus with him on his trips to England and elsewhere (India?) where those descendants Abraham (who left Moses during the Exodus, Troy during the Judges, Israel during David/Solomon's times, 10 Tribes after Assyria, etc.) where those people would have quite possibly have been receptive to the Messiah....it is quite possible that after the Resurrection, the Lord moved his family to a safe zone - far away from Jerusalem, Glastonbury, Cornwall, & Wales then untouched by the Romans. Christ is also said to have appeared at Glastonbury in 37 AD - Glastonbury is also supposed to be the mystical isle of Avalon of King Arthur fame (a hill surrounded by a marsh in 450-500 AD).

Paul foresaw the apostasy of Christianity and warned the members of the Church concerning these events. Celibacy, among other things was a "doctrine of devils". Now the spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron; forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth. (I Tim. 4:1-3)

From the age of twelve to thirty, a gap off 18 years, the scriptural history or the life of Jesus is missing. That He "grew in wisdom" is an extremely insufficient record in the life of one so important as the Redeemer of the world. John the Beloved wrote about the words and deeds of Jesus sufficient to "fill libraries. (John 21:25). From this testimony we can be reasonably sure that much more was written in the life of Jesus than that contained in the few pages of the four gospels. Even many other known books of the New Testament are missing:

An earlier epistle of Paul to the Corinthians.

(I Cor.5:9)

Another epistle of Paul to the Ephesians. (Eph. 3:3)

An epistle of Paul from Loodicea. (Col. 4:16)

A former epistle of Jude. (Jude 1:3)

Prophecies of Enoch. (Jude 1:14)

Fundamentally the question is not "What proof do we have that Jesus was married ?" But rather, "where is there any proof that celibacy was a doctrinal law of God?”

Bgood43