User talk:Bgsu98/Archives/2024/February

Spartans Drum Corps
Hi. I noticed you made a minor edit to the "Traditions" section on the Spartans Drum Corps Wikipedia page, which is removing the "Pre-Show Hype" section. It's a bit insignificant, I know. Just to be clear, I am by no means a moderator or admin: nor am I disappointed that you deleted it (I actually approve and endorse it). But I am curious as to why you felt that it was necessary. My assumption is that there were not sufficient sources to cite; which would explain why but just wanted to get your perspective on what was wrong with it.

Tv.Rule (talk) 02:12, 29 October 2021 (UTC)

One of the biggest complaints I’ve seen about the Drum Corps pages on Wikipedia is that they are overflowing with excessive and esoteric details. I’m seeing drum corps pages being deleted for not meeting Wikipedia standards, so I’m trying to clean them up to prevent that from happening. Bgsu98 (talk) 04:19, 29 October 2021 (UTC)

Soap opera plots
Hi Bgsu98, I see you're trying to go through and trim some of the OLTL character pages, and it's much appreciated. I know how hard it can be to wrangle those pages, which is often why I end up using the nuclear option. Just so you know what I'm thinking when I remove all that content, WikiProject_Soap_Operas says that the standard character summary should be around 500 words. Natalie Buchanan, even after your edits, is still over 2700 words. Even accounting for certain major characters having longer summaries--say, double the 500--her page is still far too long to be appropriate for a good wikipedia article. Hopefully that gives you a target if you continue to trim those down, but regardless, thanks for your edits. Cheers, Alyo  (chat·edits) 00:02, 7 April 2022 (UTC)


 * I’m not done with the Natalie article at all. I just had to take a break! Bgsu98 (talk) 00:05, 7 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Haha all good! I just wanted to flag the one sort-of-agreed-upon guideline in this area. Keep it up! Alyo  (chat·edits) 00:07, 7 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Let me know how the article looks now. I think it’s still kind of wordy, but she was on the show for over a decade. Bgsu98 (talk) 01:29, 7 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Better than it was. I would probably still try to trim it a little more, but it's nowhere near as egregious. Alyo  (chat·edits) 01:47, 7 April 2022 (UTC)
 * I have taken a break from Natalie; I will try to come back to her tomorrow. I worked on Jessica today, and am working on Rex right now. That’s a big one! 😳 Bgsu98 (talk) 01:57, 7 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Significantly better! Alyo  (chat·edits) 18:30, 8 April 2022 (UTC)

Big Brother Articles
I've noticed you've been trying to MOS:ACCESS-ify several of the Big Brother articles, and have gotten quite a bit of pushback. Just wanted to thank you for the work you've put into it since I know it can be discouraging when your edits are reverted. A lot of editors like to go strictly by precedent and think it can override larger guidelines. We went through the same trouble when we replaced the old Template:Big Brother sidebar with Template:Infobox reality competition season, replacing the large paragraph summaries (Big Brother 16 (American season)) with Template:Episode table, and quite a few other things I could name. They'll hopefully warm up to it eventually. Let me know if there's anything I can help with! The Doctor Who (talk) 05:15, 13 July 2022 (UTC)
 * So I feel bad because I deleted the (Immune) underneath each instance of a Immune houseguest for BB22 and BB23, could this information be added as a note, like Note 2: Since Frenchie won HoH week 1, his entire team (Azah, Britini, and Derek F.) was immune for the week, that way this important information isn't only displayed by color, but also a footnote Edwyth (talk) 07:36, 13 July 2022 (UTC)
 * That might work, but I believe the note would have to go in the individual cells and not just generically at the bottom of the table. Let me take a look. Bgsu98 (talk) 07:59, 13 July 2022 (UTC)
 * I added a note for every instance of Immunity in BB22 and BB23, if you prefer the note to be in each voting cell, I would prefer that over the (Immune) as that eats up so much space to be distracting to the eyes. Edwyth (talk) 08:02, 13 July 2022 (UTC)
 * I think a note would look better. My first try didn't work; let me try another approach. Bgsu98 (talk) 08:04, 13 July 2022 (UTC)
 * if you look at Big Brother 22 (American season) I did it as a Superscript on Kaysar's and Janelle's voting cell, do you like that? Edwyth (talk) 08:07, 13 July 2022 (UTC)
 * That's exactly what it needs! Bgsu98 (talk) 08:09, 13 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Awesome, I am glad we were able to work something out! I finished BB22, I'll do BB23 in a second. Edwyth (talk) 08:11, 13 July 2022 (UTC)
 * I feel like it looks clean and accessible! Edwyth (talk) 08:18, 13 July 2022 (UTC)
 * I think it's good! It's only necessary in cells where the background color doesn't match the text. Bgsu98 (talk) 08:24, 13 July 2022 (UTC)

The edits I made on Big Brother 23 are perfectly compliant with Wikipedia's Manual of Style. This obsession you have with articles looking the way you want them to look is damaging to Wikipedia. I highly suggest you consider participating in activities outside the computer instead of dedicating so many hours to something so harmful and needless. Ugla&#39;a (talk) 20:05, 15 July 2022 (UTC)


 * I pointed out to you precisely how those changes were not compliant. Bgsu98 (talk) 20:07, 15 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Again.. Your recent changes to Big Brother 23 (American season) included at least four problems that I counted.
 * MOS:COLOR states that color cannot be the only method used to convey information. The colored cells down the left column are inappropriate.
 * MOS:SMALL states that font size cannot go below 85%. Since the table is already set at 85%, using tags causes the font to go below 85% and it is too small to read.
 * MOS:DTAB requires that tables include appropriate row and column headers, which you removed. The ! scope="row" is required in order to meet accessibility guidelines.
 * You removed several superscripts which were inserted in order to convey important information that was otherwise only conveyed via cell color. This was a good compromise that another user came up with in order to avoid cluttering the cells with things like (Immunity) and so on. Users relying on screen-readers cannot access the notes at the bottom of the table and they need to be included in the individual cells to which they apply.
 * Bgsu98 (talk) 20:10, 15 July 2022 (UTC)


 * The current(smaller) page is a good compromise, that can be used as a baseline for other articles. Please don't make the names column massive like you did originally though. Ugla&#39;a (talk) 23:28, 15 July 2022 (UTC)
 * That must have been a mistake; I never intended to widen that column. Bgsu98 (talk) 23:30, 15 July 2022 (UTC)
 * May I ask why you are making all of the (none) columns gray? I thought the point was to remove color. Ugla&#39;a (talk) 23:52, 18 July 2022 (UTC)

Hey, why are you deleting all the have-nots from previous seasons? That is definitely verifiable information that has impact on the game. Edwyth (talk) 08:44, 22 July 2022 (UTC)


 * @Edwyth... I'm sorry, I missed this message. Per Fancruft, "too much detail is present that will bore, distract or confuse a non-fan, when its exclusion would not significantly harm the factual coverage as a whole." These articles are already too long as it is with far too much minutiae and details. This isn't a fan wiki. The have-nots situation ultimately has no effect on the outcome of the game; it doesn't effect nominations or decide who goes home. It's just a list of names. The show barely even addresses it on the television broadcasts. Bgsu98 (talk) 01:33, 23 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Just weighing in on this, I think the Have-Not information could be useful, but I never understood it needing it's own independent section and table. It could just as easily fit into the episode summaries since it's [typically] shown in the episodes. The Doctor Who  (talk) 01:46, 23 July 2022 (UTC)
 * I think a mention of it in the overall summary (the section that explains how the show works) is fine, but there doesn't need to be a separate table with players listed by week when that information ultimately has no impact on the outcome of the game. Bgsu98 (talk) 01:48, 23 July 2022 (UTC)

BB24
Hey friend! Didn’t want to post this on the notes of BB24 and since I feel like you are the boss of everything I wanted to show you this. This was the draft I did for showing partners on the voting table… I know you said not to worry about it but I feel like it’s important information to show on the table. If you hate it or thing it’s unnecessary no worries at all :) It’s just hard trying to propose things or bounce ideas around on here lmao. Let me know what you think!

September 2022
Please refrain from making unconstructive edits to Wikipedia, as you did at The Amazing Race 1. Your edits appear to be disruptive and have been or will be reverted. Please ensure you are familiar with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines, and please do not continue to make edits that appear disruptive. Continued disruptive editing may result in loss of editing privileges. ''Please take your edits to the talk page per WP:BRD. Arguably your edits have made the table worse off than before.'' Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 03:07, 19 September 2022 (UTC)
 * If you are engaged in an article content dispute with another editor, please discuss the matter with the editor at their talk page, or the article's talk page, and seek consensus with them. Alternatively, you can read Wikipedia's dispute resolution page, and ask for independent help at one of the relevant noticeboards.
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 * Can you also explain how the table in its current state (before your revision) violates WP:ACCESS? Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 03:12, 19 September 2022 (UTC)
 * The notations for eliminated, last place but not eliminated, and fast forward were not appropriately notated as to be accessible per MOS:ACCESS. Additionally, your reversions have removed the row and column scope headers which are also required. Bgsu98 (talk) 03:13, 19 September 2022 (UTC)
 * @Sportsfan 1234: I see you left the new contestant tables intact, which I'm sure you will agree were glaringly missing from these pages. Unfortunately, I had made an error on the pit stop locations on both tables, and corrected myself in a follow-up edit, which your reversions wiped out. That's what happens when you blindly hit REVERT and don't actually look at what's been done. The results table was already halfway to being acceptable per MOS:ACCESS, with the superscript notations, but it still needed to have the information that is otherwise conveyed by red, blue, or green font to be conveyed via superscript notation as well. MOS:COLOR states that color cannot be the only means of conveying information, as I know you are aware. The table also needed the correct row and column headers which your reversions also removed. I removed a few of the notations that did not in any way affect team placements. This isn't a fan wiki; it's a placement table and unless the notation explains why a team placed where they did, or changed placements between legs, it qualifies as Fancruft, so I removed it. As for the changes to the general prose, if you don't like it, okay, no big deal. I think the leads are too scarce. Bgsu98 (talk) 03:35, 19 September 2022 (UTC)

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 * @Mz7 Thank you so much! I appreciate it. Bgsu98 (talk) 20:01, 24 September 2022 (UTC)

Draft:Taylor Hale
I just submitted an article for creation for Taylor Hale, the winner of BB24. I know you are a very active editor on all of reality television Wikipedia, and I hope you can help me perfect the article. Ugla&#39;a (talk) 00:38, 28 September 2022 (UTC)


 * You will need a source for her birthdate. I also added the CN notation to other statements that will require sources. Good Luck! Bgsu98 (talk) 01:19, 28 September 2022 (UTC)

Amazing Race result tables
Since fancruft details have been removed from the table, like the roadblock count and intersection pairings, shouldn't the others go as well? The fast forward and yield/u-turn details could be moved to the leg sections, e.g. "<Fast Forward task description>. Anne & Bob claimed this Fast Forward." and "Annie & Bob U-turned Charlie & Delta."? 136.158.65.53 (talk) 18:25, 10 October 2022 (UTC)


 * That argument could be made. If you take a look at the first five seasons, you'll see that statements about which team won a particular Fast Forward have been added to the individual episode summaries. The same can be done with things like U-turns, Yields, Intersections, and partner swaps. On the other hand, those items do have a direct impact on team placements and may be appropriate to the results/placement table. Bgsu98 (talk) 20:48, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
 * I saw you recently use the word 'Last' instead of an ordinal number, but I think it should be reversed. Non-elimination legs still have the ordinal number (as well as the rest of the placements). TAR also uses placements categorically, unlike shows like Project Runway or Drag Race where it's more qualitative of who can in the "top 3" or "bottom two". So even though the hosts say "last team", could we stick to ordinal numbers for consistency within the table itself?
 * If footnotes are too cluttered looking, we could try to fill in the cells with colors, like in the Big Brother tables. 136.158.65.53 (talk) 04:19, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Colored cells, like on the Big Brother tables, have also required footnotes. I’m trying to find a solution that meets accessibility requirements and avoids the clutter of having to footnote every elimination. The non-elimination legs have an ordinal for the last-place team as well as a footnote explaining why there was no elimination. Bgsu98 (talk) 04:28, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Well, there's already a legend for the font color of the placements, as well as the cast list table that details what leg they were eliminated in and if they came back in as well (which is also covered by footnote like in season 33). That, along with the fact that a team that has no placements in the following legs should be enough to denote the team as eliminated, right? 136.158.65.53 (talk) 04:43, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
 * You would think so, but you also have to account for users who rely on screen-readers, and can’t see that all of the subsequent cells are shaded gray. I’m trying to find a solution that meets everyone’s needs as well as Wikipedia’s MOS. Bgsu98 (talk) 04:53, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
 * I get that. Though that makes me want to use a symbol like the double dagger ‡ next to the ordinal number instead. It's used in award show winner/nominees tables and those doesn't have a footnote next to the symbol. 136.158.65.53 (talk) 07:33, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Here's something I came up with for the eliminations and non-eliminations - have double daggers and daggers for those two respectively. I also have some other suggestions in here. The "two halves" of a mega-leg or similar legs could be like in leg 1 by using the circle with left/right half black symbols with a footnote. I also changes the small-case x to a light saltire for the head-to-head so that there's a bit of space between the leg number and the symbol. 136.158.65.53 (talk) 16:08, 12 October 2022 (UTC)

Please take a look at The Amazing Race 9 to see how I restored the double legs last night, and let me know what you think. Bgsu98 (talk) 16:14, 12 October 2022 (UTC)


 * I also saw that in the season 32 page, and that's why I looked for a change. It looks so bulky and all the links go to the same place. I still prefer the symbol+footnote for the double/mega legs. I think the only reason why we need 2 header cells is because of the sorting option, so maybe we could remove that instead. Also, what do you think of my suggestions for the table? 136.158.65.53 (talk) 16:39, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Please take a look at The_Amazing_Race_32... I have slightly modified the column headers to try and make them less obtrusive. It didn't occur to me to use small font for the 1st and 2nd halves, but that is still perfectly compliant. Also, check out User:Bgsu98/sandbox... This is how the table would look if we eliminate that one large row across the top and replace it with a caption, which all tables are supposed to include anyway and most do not. Bgsu98 (talk) 20:11, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
 * I like how the table caption and the small font size for the "halves" makes the table header more compact! I think that solves that problem. I also edited your sandbox to add my suggestion with the last place denotation. I think that the ordinal numbers with the dagger symbols works better than the word 'Last' for a table of numbers. It's more consistent within the table, doesn't stray away from the previous style, and adheres to accessibility rules. 136.158.65.53 (talk) 00:13, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
 * It’s my understanding that symbols do not comply with accessibility because they are no more readable by screen-readers than colors or italics or font changes are. Let me do some investigating. Bgsu98 (talk) 00:17, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Also, you would prefer a superscript versus putting (Double Leg) after the leg number in the column header? It honestly doesn’t matter to me either way; I just thought people wanted to avoid the superscripts as much as possible. Bgsu98 (talk) 00:23, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
 * I think people didn't want superscripts in places where it was obvious (to them) that it was already something else, like the red/blue last places from before. I just replaced the "(Double leg)" part with a superscript to further declutter the header, and the fact that a footnote can say more (e.g. when these mid-leg placements were actually taken from).
 * I did some checking as well, I think the first bullet point in the Color section here is the reasoning for the dagger symbols in tables like this. 136.158.65.53 (talk) 01:05, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Could @Masem or @Lee Vilenski chime in with whether those dagger symbols would meet accessibility requirements? Bgsu98 (talk) 01:07, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
 * It looks like, based on Template:Dagger, that you can substitute an alternate text (like "This team was eliminated") which will not show up on the screen normally, but would be read by screen-readers. If so, that should solve the problem. Let me investigate further. Bgsu98 (talk) 01:11, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
 * I have modified The Amazing Race 1 with the dagger symbols. Bgsu98 (talk) 01:19, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Oh I didn't know there's alt text for the dagger symbols (even the Oscars page didn't have that). But nevertheless I like the current state of this table. I also like the way the two halves of the megaleg is handled in your sandbox. 136.158.65.53 (talk) 01:51, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
 * No problem! Just helping out with the editing! But I did encounter a problem with the notes. I didn't want to keep editing the numbers, so I wondered if instead of ref, we could use efn. You could check out the TAR11 results table for what it would look like. 136.158.65.53 (talk) 18:29, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
 * It looks good! Though someone will probably bellyache about the numbers being changed to letters… 😂 Bgsu98 (talk) 19:19, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
 * I've finished editing the results table up to season 19, but I was wondering how are the failed u-turns and unused express passes are going to be handled. If they aren't going to be in the results table, then they are supposed to be in the leg summary, which I see you already started editing and I wanted to put my two cents in. I added a leg summary section in your sandbox where I ordered the tasks and additional notes chronologically in one section, since I'm assuming more details are going to be added like the failed u-turn/express pass, which team is eliminated, what prize the first place team received. We can also add details here on what type of u-turn it was (single, double, blind, required-use, etc) since those are not anywhere on the page except in the Development & Filming sections, and the roadblock prompts (if those doesn't feel too fancrufty since the detour names are in the leg summary as well). I do think previously these sections are strictly locations and tasks lists, but right now it seems it's crossing over to episode summary as well. 136.158.65.53 (talk) 07:02, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
 * The failed u-turns should go to the individual episode summaries. I've already removed several, but I know there are more out there. I also deleted unused express passes from the results table because they had zero impact on the results, but if you want to add them to the episode summaries, that sounds fine. If you look at, for example, The Amazing Race 2, you'll see that the very beginning of the section includes the episode number and title, airdate, prize awarded and to whom, and who was eliminated. Then the locations, the tasks, and additional notes. Ultimately, I think the tasks should be ordered chronologically, because this is a TV show, but I haven't done that yet because, frankly, it's been a while since I've seen many of these episodes and I didn't want to try and recreate the order of events from memory. If you want to clarify the types of yield/u-turn in the episode summaries, that seems fine too. Thank you for all of your help! Bgsu98 (talk) 13:16, 14 October 2022 (UTC)



The following teams are listed with their placements in each leg. Note that this table is not necessarily reflective of all content broadcast on television due to inclusion or exclusion of some data. Placements are listed in finishing order.
 * A placement with a double dagger (‡) indicates that the team was eliminated.
 * An placement with a single dagger (†) indicates that the team was the last to arrive at a pit stop in a non-elimination leg, and had to perform a Speed Bump task in the following leg.
 * A circle with left half black (◐) next to a leg number indicates that it is the first half of a Mega-leg. And a circle with right half black (◑) next to the same leg number indicates that it is the second half of a Mega-leg.
 * An italicized placement indicates the position of the team at the midpoint of a Mega-leg.
 * A indicates that the team used the U-Turn and a  indicates the team on the receiving end of the U-Turn.
 * An next to a leg number indicates that there was a Head-to-Head on that leg.
 * Notes


 * 1) Leg 1 was a Mega Leg, with two Detours, two Roadblocks, and two Yields shown over two episodes. The placements of teams at the halfway point (after the first Roadblock) are shown in the first of the two column.
 * 2) Art & JJ were eliminated at the end of the first half of the first leg.
 * 3) Rachel & Elissa chose to use the U-Turn on Becca & Floyd.
 * 4) Becca & Floyd chose to use the U-Turn on Tyler & Korey.
 * 5) In Leg 8, the teams voted for two teams to be U-Turned; Colin & Christie and Rachel & Elissa received the most votes.
 * 6) Leo & Jamal chose to use the U-Turn on Nicole & Victor.
 * 7) Nicole & Victor chose to use the U-Turn on Becca & Floyd.
 * 8) There was a Head-to-Head on this leg.
 * 9) The Head-to-Head in Leg 4 was unaired.

DWTS dataset
Hi Bgsu98,

You were kind enough to send me a note explaining how the judges statements on the Dancing with the Stars pages.

I wanted to share the dataset that I made from the weekly scores tables: https://github.com/howisonlab/dwts_dataset. Others have done that before, but it was useful to me to learn and also to create a database style dataset useful for teaching databases.

Maybe not of interest, but who knows :) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jameshowison (talk • contribs) 17:41, 2 November 2022 (UTC)


 * I'm afraid that's all beyond me, but I'm glad you were able to find it useful for your instruction! Bgsu98 (talk) 17:50, 2 November 2022 (UTC)

DNFs in Results
If a team is eliminated before they can complete all of the required tasks and make it to the Pit Stop, that should be mentioned because that's something out of the ordinary. All of such cases involve Phil arriving to teams in question to inform them of their eliminations, always shown throughout the episodes. Without a note and/or symbol, anyone reading it could assume it was a normal elimination when that's not always the case. How should we go about presenting those situations? 9March2019 (talk) 01:17, 4 November 2022 (UTC)


 * Those circumstances are explained in the individual episode summaries. Bgsu98 (talk) 01:20, 4 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Great, thanks for the response. 9March2019 (talk) 01:22, 4 November 2022 (UTC)

Bgsu98 is running too many pages
And don’t be rude to us who are just trying to save the pages of our favorite show without you taking all the nice visuals from them and making them into an unappealing convoluted read Ianthebalance (talk) 08:08, 5 November 2022 (UTC)

I mean to say ruining oops Ianthebalance (talk) 08:09, 5 November 2022 (UTC)

Sorry, I’m just having trouble reading the pages with your edits. I would delete the above if I knew how. I only made the account after seeing how rude you were to some people who kindly tried to get the pages good agajn Ianthebalance (talk) 08:16, 5 November 2022 (UTC)


 * Please show me where I have been rude to someone who was acting kindly. Bgsu98 (talk) 11:32, 5 November 2022 (UTC)
 * I've seen people call you a "vandal", a "troll", "mentally ill", and "the worst person ever". Even as someone who had a strong reaction of visual disgust to some of the initial changes made, that's clearly over the top. This is a tv show and a website, and while being attached to something because "it's been that way forever" is understandable, nothing is immune to improvement. Splitting out a contestants table on every Race season is an example of something that I initially thought was an eyesore, but I've gotten used to it and noticed that none of the upset users have raised it as something that they don't like.
 * I just checked the articles again and was expecting something atrocious based on how people are acting, but instead found that the readability of the tables has improved. I expect that it will continue to do so.
 * "There was a problem, and the person trying to fix it is me." is the type of quote that particularly upsets people. I can see the truth in it, but it's still bad manners. 60.225.128.169 (talk) 03:18, 6 November 2022 (UTC)

1st/2nd Halves in TAR Result tables
Hey, I saw you revert my changing of the 1st Half and 2nd Half to H1 and H2 as an abbreviation in the TAR 34 and TAR 6 result tables. I think changing them to abbreviations is better because it would allow the columns of double legs to be closer in width to the other columns. Here's the resources I found for the abbr template and the web content accessibility guidelines for abbreviations. It appears as tooltips on most browsers and is fine on screen readers, plus the abbr template is used in ~1% of pages (according to the edit warning at the top of the template page). 136.158.65.53 (talk) 13:39, 17 November 2022 (UTC)


 * What would you think about something like this? User:Bgsu98/sandbox
 * In the end, I don't think it will matter, since the goal will be to eventually have these seasons divided up by episodes (like every other TV show on Earth) and not by "leg". Bgsu98 (talk) 00:52, 18 November 2022 (UTC)
 * The edit in your sandbox is already better. As for the future plans for these pages, I thought game shows like TAR take exception to the per-episode plot separation and can use their game format instead, as per MOS:Television (the last paragraph in the Plot Section section). 136.158.65.53 (talk) 03:01, 18 November 2022 (UTC)

Survivor and Big Brother on The Challenge
Some contestants from Survivor and Big Brother later competed on the Challenge. For some of the challengers from the real world, Road Rules, and Are You the One, the Wikipedia page of their seasons have a table listing what season of the challenge they appeared on, indicates what season they won or made the final, and list how much money they won. Shouldn't their be a table like that for the Survivor and Big Brother contestants? 69.43.66.32 (talk) 01:30, 30 January 2023 (UTC)


 * No, their results on The Challenge have nothing to do with a particular season of Survivor or Big Brother. The fact that they competed on The Challenge is already noted in the section on Future Appearances. A reader can go to the page on their particular season of The Challenge to see how they did. Bgsu98   (Talk)  01:59, 30 January 2023 (UTC)

Edits on MasterChef Junior (American season 1)
I have no problem working on accessibility issues with the table and colors. What I have a problem with is your decision to arbitrarily remove table content on the claim of WP:FANCRUFT (which is is not). This style of competition table format is used in multiple other competition articles including the seasons of Hell's Kitchen (American TV series). I will work on the table to help with some of the accessibility issues you brought up, but the data of the table should remain until you choose to raise a discussion on it. Also WP format prefers one link for a major American city rather than splitting it into two links for the city and the state as you did in your edit. - SanAnMan (talk) 01:21, 6 May 2023 (UTC)


 * I did not split the city and state into two links; I inserted a break between the two while maintaining one link so as to narrow the width of the column. Please examine the code for my edits to see what I had done. Bgsu98   (Talk)  01:23, 6 May 2023 (UTC)

DWTS
I saw your removals on DWTS for WP:FANCRUFT content. I appreciate your edits for this. I think the Dance Chart sections also fall under it. I wanted your thoughts. – Callme <b style="color:#9cadad;">mirela</b> &#127809; 17:44, 30 May 2023 (UTC)


 * Are you talking about the table at the very bottom of each article? Bgsu98   (Talk)  17:50, 30 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Yes, exactly. – Callme <b style="color:#9cadad;">mirela</b> &#127809; 17:55, 30 May 2023 (UTC)
 * No, unlike those other tables which were entirely fan-generated and never once cited on the show, the table at the bottom actually presents information that is cited in the show. It’s similar to the first table, but without the scores. They’re not perfect, but they’re at least representative of the sort of data DWTS actually mentions every episode: who danced what style, who had the highest and lowest scores each week, and who was eliminated. Bgsu98   (Talk)  18:00, 30 May 2023 (UTC)
 * User:Callmemirela, I've been giving this some thought, and while a table showing the dance styles that each couple did each week is fine, the only time DWTS explicitly identifies the highest and lowest scores is the overall score for the night, and not broken down by round - like in the later weeks, when couples perform twice. There is zero need to identify which dance from the first round was the highest-scored and which was the lowest, etc. Take a look at what I've done here - Dancing with the Stars (American season 2) - and let me know what you think. Bgsu98   (Talk)  01:33, 4 July 2023 (UTC)

Stars on Mars
Hello, regarding this edit, is there a reason we don't want to specify the state? That reads to me like saying something was filmed in "Los Angeles, America" instead of "Los Angeles, California", unless there is something special (and/or Australian English?) I'm missing? - Adolphus79 (talk) 04:21, 16 June 2023 (UTC)


 * It’s unnecessarily pedantic. It’s an American show; the format for identifying cities in other countries on other reality TV programs (such as The Amazing Race) is CITY, COUNTRY. If someone wants to know more about Coober Pedy, they can click the link. Bgsu98   (Talk)  04:25, 16 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Ok, that's why I asked if there was something I was missing, guess I don't watch enough reality TV... lol - Adolphus79 (talk) 04:36, 16 June 2023 (UTC)
 * You’re probably better off in the long run. 😂 Bgsu98   (Talk)  04:39, 16 June 2023 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Dancing with the Stars (American season 1)
The article Dancing with the Stars (American season 1) you nominated as a good article has failed ; see Talk:Dancing with the Stars (American season 1) for reasons why the nomination failed. If or when these points have been taken care of, you may apply for a new nomination of the article. Message delivered by ChristieBot, on behalf of MrLinkinPark333 -- MrLinkinPark333 (talk) 01:22, 7 August 2023 (UTC)


 * @MrLinkinPark333 I appreciate you taking the time to look over the article and leave your comments. I honestly did not know if it would clear or not as is. I will look into adding the elements you suggested. As far as the individual episode recaps, it's my understanding that the episodes themselves serve as the sources. Can you clarify that? For example, several seasons of Survivor (American TV series) have qualified as GAs, but the episode summaries, voting histories, eliminations, reward winners, etc. are not sourced to anything other than the actual episodes. Edited to add: I looked at the chart to figure out the discrepancy you mentioned. The results and scores from the first two weeks were combined; hence the 1+2 on the chart. I can see how that can be unclear to someone who doesn't regularly watch the show or use the Wikipedia tables as reference. Let me see if I can come up with some way to make it more clear. Bgsu98  (Talk)  01:39, 7 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Hello. In terms of Survivor, Survivor: Borneo and Survivor: The Australian Outback have recaps as sources. In terms of plot citations, the third paragraph at MOS:TVPLOT says you can use the series itself for the recaps. However, if the Wikipedia prose is analyzing or clarifying the recap then it needs a source. At MOS:PLOTSOURCE, secondary citations are encouraged but not required for plot. In either case, I think you can write episode recaps without having to cite them. If you want to add citations, you can cite the individual episodes. Thank you for asking! MrLinkinPark333 (talk) 02:20, 7 August 2023 (UTC)

MOS:COLOR Discrepancy
Hi, you recently reverted my changes to The Challenge: USA (season 2) due to being in breach of MOS:COLOR, however other The Challenge pages have more color options in them. How is my edit to USA 2 a breach when, as an example, The Challenge: Ride or Dies has a lot more color options. There appears to be discrepancy in moderation here. ReillyVega (talk) 14:09, 11 August 2023 (UTC)


 * I saw where you started a thread at Talk:The Challenge: USA (season 2), so I have answered this there. Bgsu98   (Talk)  18:53, 11 August 2023 (UTC)

You must be doing something right
Because vandals are starting to report you at AN/I. We can count this as the blocked ip's reasonable notice of that discussion. Thanks for all your efforts. BusterD (talk) 23:02, 11 August 2023 (UTC)


 * Yeah, I saw it and knew it wouldn't go anywhere. Bgsu98   (Talk)  23:03, 11 August 2023 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of The Amazing Race 4
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 * @Spinixster, thank you for taking the time to look over the articles and leave your comments. I honestly did not know if they would clear or not as is, so I will look into editing the elements you suggested. Bgsu98   (Talk)  04:24, 12 August 2023 (UTC)

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Editing the charts of The Challenge pages
Hi! Are the edits of the elimination charts of The Challenge pages by @ReillyVega appropriate? In my opinion, making such changes is unnecessary, even though it is specified in the color key. I have made undo because I think it was wrong made by him/her, but I wanted to ask you. RealityLeo (talk) 10:32, 12 August 2023 (UTC)


 * Hi! Let me help here, the edits are appropriate as they were recommended by under the talk page for The Challenge: USA (season 2) due to MOS violations, please revert all edits you've changed, thank you! ReillyVega (talk) 10:39, 12 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Taking a look at one of the other charts that @ReillyVega attempted to edit and was reverted, it looks like RV was (appropriately) trying to differentiate between all of the cells that had just been marked SAFE. You cannot have cells all marked as SAFE with six (or however many) different colored backgrounds. That is entirely inappropriate per MOS:COLOR, which states that color cannot be the only means of conveying information. Bgsu98   (Talk)  10:54, 12 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks for confirming, @RealityLeo can you please revert back all the changes of mine you undid so that the charts are in line with MOS, thank you! ReillyVega (talk) 11:44, 12 August 2023 (UTC)
 * First, I'm sorry for this. I will do it when I have free time. Also, you can revert back all the changes using undo. So we can get back to the old edits faster. Thank you!
 * Finally, I have a question about this. Is this a new MOS:COLOR rule? Because I have never heard or seen of such a MOS rule and all the charts were as I said it. If it has changed, I want to know the right rule to not make any wrong edit again. RealityLeo (talk) 12:09, 12 August 2023 (UTC)
 * I have no idea when these policies were adopted. Bgsu98   (Talk)  12:16, 12 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Hello, which Challenge page are you referring to? The chart on The Challenge: USA (season 2) looks fine to me. Bgsu98   (Talk)  10:45, 12 August 2023 (UTC)
 * World Championship, Ride or Dies, Spies, Lies & Allies, Total Madness, War of the Worlds etc. I have made undo all these, but if you want to control the situation before I have changed them, you should look at these pages. RealityLeo (talk) 10:54, 12 August 2023 (UTC)

15 September 2023- Survivor 45 edit
Hello, so I tried to make them in alphabetical order and I did that already. But I need help to black out the “Merge” column. Can you help me please? Thank you in advance! QUEKM2009 (talk) 11:23, 15 September 2023 (UTC)


 * I'm not sure what you mean... I'll go take a look. Bgsu98   (Talk)  11:30, 15 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Sure! QUEKM2009 (talk) 11:30, 15 September 2023 (UTC)
 * That was an easy fix... It should look good now. Bgsu98   (Talk)  11:32, 15 September 2023 (UTC)
 * ok. Thank you! 😅 QUEKM2009 (talk) 11:32, 15 September 2023 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

 * I seem to have quite the fan club… Bgsu98   (Talk)  20:43, 15 September 2023 (UTC)

October 2023
[snipped nonsense from a user who should remember glass houses and not throwing stones while in them]


 * This is rich coming from you, considering you have repeatedly ignored a) warnings on your talk page, b) invitations to on-going discussions on the article's talk page, and c) an ANI thread opened against you; all in regards to your constant reversions contrary to the MOS. All of my edits were accompanied by edit summaries linking to the relevant MOS policies; yours were nothing but bad-faith accusations of "vandalism" when no vandalism was occurring. See you at ANI. Bgsu98   (Talk)  12:47, 4 October 2023 (UTC)

Dancing on Ice
Bgsu, I'm quite concerned by your merger of the tour info on Dancing on Ice. Where is the sourcing? I'd hope you're aware of WP:BURDEN... – Meena • 18:37, 16 October 2023 (UTC)


 * That edit stemmed from this discussion: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Dancing on Ice: The Tour. Personally, I think all of it should go, so if you feel that what I added there should be removed, I certainly will not contest it. Bgsu98   (Talk)  19:23, 16 October 2023 (UTC)

Re: BB25
can you explain why you reverted my edits? King1559 (talk) 18:32, 20 October 2023 (UTC)


 * The entire paragraph about Jag is totally unsourced, and table changes are contrary to precedence (Big Brother 21 (American season)). Cameron & Jared were both evicted; Cameron re-entered the game. There was no “fake eviction” or “re-eviction” or whatever. Bgsu98   (Talk)  19:18, 20 October 2023 (UTC)
 * I do plan on adding that paragraph back when a proper media article is released about the topic. I may need help sourcing it but I do believe it's a valid talking point to include on the page. Also, why can't we add a distinction that Jag won a veto first and Blue won the second one? It reads to me as if one competition occured with two winners, which is not factual. King1559 (talk) 19:53, 20 October 2023 (UTC)
 * If that situation with Jag is covered in reliable media, then of course it can be included with a source.
 * There were two different POV competitions? If so, you can add your note back, but the names should still be listed alphabetically.
 * I apologize if I seemed rude earlier. This has not been a good day and I may have taken it out on you when that would not have been my intention. I agree that removing the cell with Jared & Remained evicted was a good decision. I'd thought about it, but never really decided one way or the other. Bgsu98   (Talk)  20:18, 20 October 2023 (UTC)
 * I'm so sorry to hear that you aren't having a good day. I hope things get better for you. I may reach out for help in citing a source in the future, I have never been good at those in all the years I've been editing pages here. King1559 (talk) 20:26, 20 October 2023 (UTC)
 * I would be happy to help; I'm sorry again for snapping at you. Bgsu98   (Talk)  20:29, 20 October 2023 (UTC)

Barnstar for you

 * I appreciate that, and I enjoy seeing your interest in figure skating off-wiki. I’m learning as an adult, and among other things, am working right now on the forward-to-backward sit spin. I keep a folder of maneuvers I want to learn, and among them is Yuzuru Hanyu’s hydroblade. 😃 Bgsu98   (Talk)  18:25, 27 October 2023 (UTC)

Need help
Hi! We have spoken before re: BB25, I was hoping to get your help on how to cite an article.


 * What help do you need? Bgsu98   (Talk)  12:03, 6 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Just how to properly cite a link that includes an article. I wanted to include a section about competition inequity this year, under the "critical response" section, and I have a source to use. King1559 (talk) 21:13, 6 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Hello… I just noticed that I’d forgotten to respond to you, but saw that you had (successfully) added your material to the BB25 article. I apologize for not getting back to you and am glad that you were able to figure it out. 😃 Bgsu98   (Talk)  09:42, 9 November 2023 (UTC)

BB21 vs BB25
I don't understand why the days the players were sent to Camp Comeback aren't on the chart in 21, when they are for the Zombies in 21. The houseguest sort list above the voting chart says the days they were evicted, so I don't understand why the voting chart is "Negative." ShinxBoy01 (talk) 04:30, 9 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Which chart are you referring to? Bgsu98   (Talk)  09:41, 9 November 2023 (UTC)
 * The voting charts in Big Brother US seasons 21 and 25, I formatted the 25 page to match 21 because they both underwent the same twist, and you reversed the edit and said "Negative". ShinxBoy01 (talk) 19:31, 30 November 2023 (UTC)
 * I agree that both the Contestants tables and Elimination tables for those two seasons should be structured similarly. Bgsu98   (Talk)  22:08, 30 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Then why did you revert my edit on the BB21 page when I was just trying to make it match BB25? ShinxBoy01 (talk) 05:49, 1 December 2023 (UTC)
 * I honestly don’t remember. Feel free to edit those again to try and make them uniform. Bgsu98   (Talk)  11:11, 1 December 2023 (UTC)

Contemporary dancing in Dancing with the Stars
Hello there. I noticed the dance tables with the abbreviation for Contemporary. Is it all right to spell out the whole word. Thanks Martinc1994 (talk) 07:16, 9 November 2023 (UTC)


 * The reason it is abbreviated is to narrow the width of the table. Bgsu98   (Talk)  09:12, 9 November 2023 (UTC)

Big Brother Reindeer Games
Just thought I'd mention we have article for it now, cue the addition of early rumors and vandalism from IP editors, maybe it won't be as bad since it's not actually a season of BB. Hope you're doing well! The Doctor Who (talk) 05:40, 10 November 2023 (UTC)


 * IPs: the gifts that keep on giving, all year round. 😅😅😅 Bgsu98   (Talk)  13:56, 10 November 2023 (UTC)

Ampersands on the 2023–24 figure skating season page
Hi Bgsu98. I noticed you've been reverting slashes to ampersands on the 2023–24 figure skating season page, and I'm just curious about your rationale. The slash dividing partner names is an ISU standard which, personally, I feel makes sense to continue to apply. Thanks! Clemkr (talk) 19:05, 13 November 2023 (UTC)


 * I find it unsightly with the gridlines on the tables, but it is certainly not a change I’m willing to argue over. Bgsu98   (Talk)  19:38, 13 November 2023 (UTC)

Please explain
You reverted one of my edits as "inaccurate," despite it being simply a rewording (and a removal of duplicate information). Please explain why it is inaccurate. Samer (talk) 02:48, 15 November 2023 (UTC)


 * They explicitly stated several times that the decision was made based on the scores at the end of the first round, and not the overall score at the end of the night. Bgsu98   (Talk)  02:55, 15 November 2023 (UTC)

Looking for advice on reformating tables for Total Drama using MOS:COLOR & MOS:ACCESS
Hi! I have been looking around for examples on elimination tables for reality shows that follow the MOS. Are there any available examples? The issue with Total Drama is that the elimination tables rely on color to provide information. I'd like to know if you have any suggestions. (See elimination history.) Freddy7GL (talk) 20:54, 17 November 2023 (UTC)


 * I have seen much worse tables than that elimination table you cited. Those columns with nothing but color and no information have to go, for sure. Otherwise, as long as the text in the cells (for example, ELIM or QUIT) also convey the same information that might be conveyed by color, the color is fine. Bgsu98   (Talk)  20:59, 17 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Understood. Alright then, I'll make the changes later.
 * P.S. About the cells that only have color—which try to convey the team the contestant is a part of—what if they had the team name in them? Would it be fine, or would it just make the cells too wide? Or should it just stay simple as stated? (Example: Total Drama Island elimination table with team names''.) Freddy7GL (talk) 03:21, 18 November 2023 (UTC)
 * That's really unnecessary since there is already a table with the teams identified above. Bgsu98   (Talk)  03:28, 18 November 2023 (UTC)
 * This should be sufficient: Total Drama Island Bgsu98   (Talk)  03:33, 18 November 2023 (UTC)

Coaching changes tables
Hey, Bsu, I think you know I’m very supportive of your work on the figure skating articles, but after some consideration, have reverted your removal of the coaching changes tables. Coaching is a key element in figure skating, and the coach/skater relationship is focal during skating coverage. As a result, to unilaterally sweep away the tables as fancruft without discussion seems extreme. Instead, please make your case for removing them and gain consensus. Thank you! -- Dr. Margi  ✉  03:43, 26 November 2023 (UTC)


 * That's fine; no problem. I did delete the few skaters who do not have Wikipedia pages as they are not notable enough for their choice of coaches to really matter. I will format the tables to match when I have a chance. Bgsu98   (Talk)  03:46, 26 November 2023 (UTC)

ANI December 2023
There is currently a discussion at Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. The thread is here. (Notifying you because the filing party didn't.) EducatedRedneck (talk) 13:41, 9 December 2023 (UTC)


 * Oh no, another incomprehensible IP is mad at me. Whatever will I do now? Bgsu98   (Talk)  13:42, 9 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Maybe we should get you a userbox counter that says, "Has been vexatiously accused of malfeasance by anonymous IPs [X] times." :p EducatedRedneck (talk) 20:19, 9 December 2023 (UTC)
 * That would burn out the Wikipedia servers. Bgsu98   (Talk)  21:21, 9 December 2023 (UTC)

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