User talk:Bgwhite/Archive 15

Pilckem Ridge
Thanks for remedying my typo frenzy. ;O)Keith-264 (talk) 07:26, 16 March 2013 (UTC)

Precious again
  care of biographies

Thank you for the care you give to biographies, without tiring, at least so it seems, - you are an awesome Wikipedian!

--Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:57, 18 March 2012 (UTC)

A year ago, you were the 65th recipient of my PumpkinSky Prize, repeated in br'erly style. Please don't be jealous and feed your puppy ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:27, 18 March 2013 (UTC)

How Google search would have been in 1960s

 * Keep the speaker on
 * Also this --Tito Dutta (contact) 11:18, 25 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Funny how a "Google60" search encourages me to "consider upgrading (IE 9 or better) or using a standards-compliant browser". The GoogleBBS search is good!  GoingBatty (talk) 19:59, 25 March 2013 (UTC)
 * I loved the GoogleBBS one too. Probably because I remember the days of being on the modem connecting to BBS systems.  That was only 20 years ago too.  Sigh, I'm old.  I'm only a few years too young for punch cards, but I did "play" on a mainframe system with those evil tape drive systems. Bgwhite (talk) 22:04, 25 March 2013 (UTC)
 * The BBS app needs something like File:Dial up modem noises.ogg. GoingBatty (talk) 22:22, 25 March 2013 (UTC)

Hazrat Najeeb Sultan
Hi Bgwhite. I've googled in search of sources for that article, and found nothing but loads of Facebook, loads of Youtube, a fair amount of Blogspot, a bit of Twitter, a bit of Flickr, a self-submitted entry to a list of Pakistani sufis, and a page about a completely different person. I'm considering sending it to AFD or even BLPPRODding it. As you've just done extensive work on it, I thought I'd ask your opinion before going ahead with either course. What do you think? Regards, --Stfg (talk) 13:55, 25 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Yea, that article is a mess. The original had alot of refs to Wikipedia and sourcing Sufism.  Between Bobnorwal's and my edits, we've gotten rid of the so called refs.  However, we might have missed one that was a fine ref sourcing something about Sultan.  I also left a message at the original editor's talk page about adding some refs. I'm hesitant in these situations to put up a BLPPROD as I might have deleted a good ref.  So, a PROD would be a better way to go saying you are unable find any independent, reliable references about Sultan.  I'd wait a couple of days to give the original editor some time to read his talk page and respond. Bgwhite (talk) 21:46, 25 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks, that sounds good. The originator is a very occasional editor and may have difficulty with sourcing. I went through the first hundred Google hits, till it was giving just other names, but waiting a couple of days does seem fair. Cheers, --Stfg (talk) 23:21, 25 March 2013 (UTC)
 * I've made it an AfD rather than a PROD, in case there are Urdu sources that don't show up in my Google searches. --Stfg (talk) 10:46, 27 March 2013 (UTC)

Kona Guitars
Hey there,

Thanks for cleaning up the wikipage for Kona Guitars. This is my first time adding content to wikipedia and I'm still figuring out the ropes. My plan was to finish working on the page today, but you beat me to it and did a much better job than I think I could have! I saw your flags and tried to address them with more citations and references as requested, but I didn't see a talk page added so I didn't know how we were supposed to communicate through the edits and I didn't want to be rude. Sorry to be a bother. Let me know what we can do to work together on this. Thanks in advance. Have a great day.

Best regards, StefanieMM (talk) 15:34, 26 March 2013 (UTC)

Talkback
— cyberpower ChatLimited Access 13:11, 29 March 2013 (UTC)

Re: Code development moved to github from Sourceforge
Re Code development moved to github from Sourceforge, who told you that? Rjwilmsi 08:27, 30 March 2013 (UTC)
 * It was me being confused... my usual self. I couldn't find it at the normal Sourceforge spot, but did find it at github.  Magioladitis just told me the new spot on Sourceforge. Bgwhite (talk) 22:25, 30 March 2013 (UTC)

Discography references
Hi, quick question re: Friðrik Karlsson -- does discography not require references? Thanks. Icemuon (talk) 12:32, 30 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Yes, the discography does require references, but there are two things wrong with the ref you gave.


 * 1) References normally shouldn't go inside section headings.
 * 2) Amazon normally shouldn't be used as a reference.  Amazon and iTunes links are promotional and should never be used a general reference.  The times where these can be used is if there is no other reference available AND only for specific items, such as release date.  Information contained at Amazon and iTunes comes from the publisher, author or musician, so the info isn't too reliable nor independent. Bgwhite (talk) 22:08, 30 March 2013 (UTC)

March 2013 Sum up
Yobot on almost all lists. We only need to search for things not done by AWB and ask Snotbot to do their part. -- Magioladitis (talk) 07:41, 11 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Hey, you weren't supposed to be back till tomorrow. I hope that doesn't mean things went bad.
 * #80 list is bogus. Most have no problems.
 * I've already asked Scotty to do a snotbot run. He is off wiki until March 18th.
 * I've been going slow this weekend. Will return to "normal" on Monday. Bgwhite (talk) 07:47, 11 March 2013 (UTC)

Maybe you could do #69 so we are 1 error down? I ran Yobot on #84 too. -- Magioladitis (talk) 17:13, 14 March 2013 (UTC)

Fixing #45 ended up in adding/fixing items in Wikidata. #3 is pending some TfD discussions. #6 needs you. #44 is almost done. -- Magioladitis (talk) 22:41, 16 March 2013 (UTC)

improves #44 fixing. I did most of #37 manually. It turns that İ can't be replaced by I. For some reason it is recognised as the same symbol with i. -- Magioladitis (talk) 14:42, 25 March 2013 (UTC)

improves #37 fixing. -- Magioladitis (talk) 09:44, 26 March 2013 (UTC)

alerts for #29. -- Magioladitis (talk) 23:48, 30 March 2013 (UTC)

improves #64 fixing. We are now doing similar to Frescobot. -- Magioladitis (talk) 18:53, 1 April 2013 (UTC)

AWB help on feature requests & bug reports
Hi, for AWB bug reports and feature requests I am asking for your help, whenever you are able to give it (please treat this as an open invite so include other willing editors if you're aware of them). I think AWB needs a team of knowledgeable users to support the improvement of AWB. You are one of the editors I see doing this currently, I am asking for more of your help. We are limited in development resource so I'm asking for more help in areas that non-developers can support. So

For bug reports:
 * where the status is need information, we need to chase up the editor/s involved to get the required details.
 * where the bug is an exception, we need to know if/how it can be reproduced.
 * duplicate reports could be cleared

For feature requests: All of the above is up for improvement, we could discuss on Wikipedia talk:AutoWikiBrowser/Dev. Thanks Rjwilmsi  19:00, 1 April 2013 (UTC)
 * where the status is need information, we need to chase up the editor/s involved to get the required details.
 * generally we need to make sure the feature request is clear, there is a link to the MOS/policy page/template documentation wherever needed, there is consensus for it.
 * if the feature request lacks consensus/is against policy we should archive it and notify the editor.
 * we should ideally prioritize feature requests. We could add a new parameter to the feature request template for this. I would like to see requests as high/medium/low based on criteria such as value added by feature/time saved for user/number of pages or templates affected. This will help to focus development effort and clear down unreasonable feature requests.
 * Agreed - let's discuss on the Dev page. GoingBatty (talk) 01:02, 2 April 2013 (UTC)

Thanks much
Thank you for your helpful edits to the new article I'd created, Neville Page, much appreciated, &mdash; Cirt (talk) 01:47, 2 April 2013 (UTC)

add lang templates using AWB
[//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Names_of_the_United_States&diff=next&oldid=539009194 A pipe is missing] in a template call [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Names_of_the_United_States&diff=prev&oldid=539009194 added by you]. Since the summary says "using AWB", maybe you also want to check whether there're any other similar mistakes. Liangent (talk) 09:10, 2 April 2013 (UTC)
 * AWB doesn't do lang templates, so the mistake was all mine. Thank you for catching it. Bgwhite (talk) 18:50, 2 April 2013 (UTC)

Hi Bgwhite..
Nice to see you again. Yes, I have added a couple of books on the article Herlinatiens. Herlinatiens now in Australia are looking for a new inpiration for her novels. She received many offers to write a movie script, and now she is working on. I hope you can come to Australia or Indonesia to meet with her. Greetings to your success! Thanks for everything Bgwhite! :) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sinukarta (talk • contribs) 14:56, 30 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Glad and sad to see her move to Australia. It will be much safer for her, but now she doesn't live at "home".  Unfortunately, I don't have any plans to see Australia or Indonesia any time soon.  I have a feeling it will more likely you or Herlinatines will visit the U.S. first.   How is your tech business going? Bgwhite (talk) 22:23, 30 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Herlinatiens is not move to Australia, she will be return in the end of this month, she was just doing some research there. She sent her regards to you. Yes, one day me or she will be there in U.S. I'm here still run my business in information technology and doing some information technology research for education in Indonesia. What about you? Maybe we can work together someday, I hope. Sinukarta (talk) 10:40, 5 April 2013 (UTC)

redirect Issue
I've Created a Bio page "remon magar" with small litter surname as a mistake of me and you moved it to Remon Magar without leaving redirection now Google indexed my article with link of "en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Remon_magar" and it brings the page has been moved message how can i fix the redirection issue ? please help 50ahmedshaker (talk)
 * It takes a few days for Google to do a rescan of the pages and add it to their search results. Everything should be back to normal in the next few days. Bgwhite (talk) 18:48, 4 April 2013 (UTC)


 * after i send you i did little search for a quick fix for that i found

that i can recreate the page "Remon magar" with #REDIRECT Remon Magar and i applied it and it worked did i do right ? 50ahmedshaker' (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 18:54, 4 April 2013 (UTC)
 * No, do not do a redirect. There is no reason for one.  Just wait a few days and everything will be fine. Bgwhite (talk) 19:07, 4 April 2013 (UTC)

Last edits in article Gary Wheaton
Hi, on March 25th an IP changed the article Gary Wheaton with a lot of stuff. I see that


 * most of the Wiki-formatting is lost
 * in my opinion, a strong POV had been introduced
 * the text is in parts a simple list, or better: an enumeration. In the German WP complete sentences are preferred, but I do not know the situation in the English WP.

I'm in favor of reverting the last edit(s), but since I am not so familiar with the English WP culture, I hesitate. Since you have done the last revert, you can help me with this decision. What's your opinion? --FlugTurboFan (talk) 13:00, 6 April 2013 (UTC)


 * I just reverted the edits. There is also another problem with the edits... they were copyright violations.  The text was taken from Wheaton's LinkedIn page and a resume from another site.  The current article also has problems with POV and I'll fix them up.  Complete sentences are also preferred on the English WP.  Thank you for bringing my attention to the article.  If you ever have any questions, feel free to leave a message on my talk page.


 * Many thanks for your help. You have even done the work... :-) I will just fix up the footnotes with the "cite web" template, and then this article is fixed. --FlugTurboFan (talk) 19:34, 6 April 2013 (UTC)

Why this edit?
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Russian_Symphony_Orchestra_Society&diff=548370915&oldid=547768691: looks to me like all you did was to reverse the order of two citations for the same passage. Why would there be a reason to do that? Or am I missing something? - Jmabel &#124; Talk 18:12, 6 April 2013 (UTC)
 * I arrived at the page because of Vasily Safonov].] and I changed it to [[Vasily Safonov.
 * Reversing the refs is part of "General fixes". The ref that was cited first in the article should come first in a list of refs.  Bgwhite (talk) 18:18, 6 April 2013 (UTC)

Bot-like error
This edit fixed one problem but caused another. The bracket at the end should not have been removed. Please fix and check that there were no other instances in the run. Have you submitted a bot approval for this task by the way?  Spinning Spark  08:37, 9 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Bgwhite does these edits manually. These changes are not done by AWB automatically. Check for instance this wonderful edit. -- Magioladitis (talk) 10:05, 9 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Edits like that are usually a sure sign of vandalism requiring the history to be checked to see what else was deleted. Actually, before making the above post I checked the top three edits in Bgwhite's history to check that this was not just a one-off problem.  The one you link is, in fact, the only one without a problem.  Including the one I initially highlighted, that makes three out of four edits with a problem at which point I stopped checking and made this post.  This edit missed this vandalism/incompetence. This missed this vandalism.  Removing such broken text is not "fixing" anything, it is just finishing off the vandals job for them and hiding the vandalism from future reviewers.  I suspect it is only by coincidence that the "Norway" fix was not covering more substantial vandalism.  Magio, it is irrelevant whether or not AWB did this automatically, see WP:MEATBOT. I don't know why you are getting involved here.  I have highlighted a problem and asked for it to be fixed - that's all.  If you are not here to fix it you are not really helping.  Spinning  Spark  10:28, 9 April 2013 (UTC)


 * Per top of this page, "I make plenty of errors - if you are here to complain about a tag or a warning, please assume good faith." I made an error on the Copper page.  It is not my first, nor will it be my last.
 * Dial back your tone. Top of this page states, "If I have erred, don't hesitate to tell me, but being rude will get you nowhere."
 * Magioladitis is talk page stalker of mine. He has every right to talk on my page without any accusations flung towards him.  He only pointed out your false claim of a bot being run.
 * The edits were done by "bgwhite". There is no bot in the name therefore a bot didn't edit.
 * When I run a bot, it has approval. Don't level accusations like "Have you submitted a bot approval for this task by the way?"
 * For Geography of Oman edits you pointed out (mine vandal). You are wrong.  I did catch the vandalism.
 * It is not always easy to catch vandalism. It is a known problem where bots covering up vandalism when the bot made an edit right after a vandal.  Addbot recently went thru and removed interwiki links.  I'm finding alot of vandalism being made the edit before Addbot's.  When other editors and I do manually edits, we are doing the same.  I try and spot obvious vandalism as shown in the Geography of Oman edits.  But, I can't catch everything. Bgwhite (talk) 18:32, 9 April 2013 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry if you consider it rude to ask if you have bot approval. It was not meant to be rude or accusatory, it was simply a question.  My original post was about the edit in copper which looked to me like an unlikely mistake for a human to make - but as you say, everyone makes them.  If it was automated it needed checking out for possible other cases and I note the original one has still not been fixed.  Sorry about the Oman link, I linked the wrong article, I actually meant Afghanistan.  I hope you agree that checking four edits and finding a problem with three of them warrants raising an issue.  As I said, formatting that is cut in half is often a sign of unreverted vandalism.  Spinning  Spark  19:30, 9 April 2013 (UTC)

Heading link removal
Hi, in this edit the BOT removed a link in a header but failed to ensure that the link appeared somewhere else in the text. The removal of a link from a header should only be done when the link is in the section or the link should be added to the section text. Keith D (talk) 11:44, 9 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Per MOS:HEAD, "Headings should not normally contain links", but you are right in this case. I've done a but report  here. Bgwhite (talk) 17:58, 9 April 2013 (UTC)

Thank you for User:KumiokoCleanStart/sandbox1
I just wanted to say thank for doing that. I think something might be wrong with the list though. It looks like every recipient is in there for the most part. I can work with it though. I appreciate the help. Kumioko (talk) 00:26, 11 April 2013 (UTC)

List of Angry Birds Toons episodes
That bot (?) you ran earlier did damage so I'm rolling you back.

btw is there really a tag ? (as opposed to

John of Cromer in Philippines (talk) mytime= Thu 18:14, wikitime=  10:14, 11 April 2013 (UTC)
 * (Talk page stalker, of sorts)
 * It's a slightly odd thing for a bot to do. But then the page was slightly odd.  Really the ref tag needs something inside it.  I looked in the article history and could only find a ref that belonged in a different article.  Presumably the wikicode was copied from there and then the contents of the ref were removed because they are incorrect.
 * See, above, for another example of a bot doing a slightly odd edit when faced with a slightly odd page.
 * Yaris678 (talk) 12:30, 11 April 2013 (UTC)
 * This was a manual edit and not a bot's. For bots, the username must contain the word "bot".


 * The page has some serious problems. I removed one "reference", but not the other which caused the problem.  As Yaris pointed out, I should have removed both as there is no references to point to...   There is no reference named "tvguide season1" to point to.
 * The page is not transcluded anywhere, so why have "onlyinclude"?
 * The header "References" shows up in the middle of the page because the table wasn't closed with |}
 * There is no wikilink to Angry Birds Toons in the article.
 * You may want to do the list of episodes like Oggy and the Cockroaches does it... have episode list in the main article. Oggy's page is being vandalized alot lately, so hopeful you see how the episode list is being done. Bgwhite (talk) 17:37, 11 April 2013 (UTC)

BG19Bot unusual edit
Hi. I thought I should draw your attention to this edit. I'm sure you can spot the odd things: Yaris678 (talk) 16:44, 10 April 2013 (UTC)
 * 1) The bot moved a comma in the "early life and career" section, which would normally help but didn't in this case.
 * 2) Any particular reason to add a blank lines either side of the "members of parliament" section heading? See below
 * Per MOS:REFPUNC, "The ref tags should immediately follow the text to which the footnote applies, including any punctuation..." Punctuation goes before the reference and not after.  This was the reason the bot arrived at the article per the edit summary.  The bot cannot tell if the comma in the example is there on purpose or accidentally.
 * Per MOS:HEAD, "The heading must be typed on a separate line. Include one blank line above the heading, and optionally one blank line below it..."
 * Bgwhite (talk) 18:43, 10 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the reply.
 * I can see why the bot did what it did. I just thought you may want to consider its coding in light of this edit. Maybe make it not move punctuation if there is already punctuation on the other side of the ref. Perhaps just deleting the punctuation on the right of the ref would make sense. I suppose in cases where there punctuation marks are different (such as this case) it could be argued that the judgement of which punctuation mark to used needs to be made by a human.  It could also be argued that it is easier for a human to see that something needs to be done if the two punctuation marks are right next to each other and so the bot did exactly the right thing. I just thought I would bring this one to your attention because I thought it was an interesting case.
 * I described the location of the blank lines wrong. I must have been looking at a different diff at the same time. I wasn't intending to make a general WP:COSMETICBOT point. I more thought that it was weird that the bot added a blank line after "Political career" but not after "Life after politics", "Legacy", "Electoral history", etc.
 * Yaris678 (talk) 12:59, 11 April 2013 (UTC)
 * This has been talked before numerous times. The page is wrong. The bot's edit does nothing to change that the page is still wrong.  Bot's edit didn't make things better or worse.  The period before the ref could be there on purpose, such as an abbreviation.
 * The bot added a space above a header per MOS:HEAD. It didn't add a space below "Political career", it added a space above the header "1960s".  btw... it should be "1960's" in this case.
 * Bgwhite (talk) 17:11, 11 April 2013 (UTC)
 * OK. Thanks for the info.
 * I thought you might be interested in this edit. But I get the impression that you are a bit bored of people asking you about something that a bot has done.
 * Happy editing!
 * Yaris678 (talk) 10:20, 12 April 2013 (UTC)
 * And another interesting [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=JPEG_XR&curid=5118708&diff=549990433&oldid=544377893 revert]. mabdul 13:01, 12 April 2013 (UTC)
 * I think I fixed it. -- Magioladitis (talk) 13:55, 12 April 2013 (UTC)

That is somehow cheated and maybe should be done on many articles including all articles about file extensions... mabdul 14:56, 12 April 2013 (UTC)
 * :) Let's see if we can think of a better solution. -- Magioladitis (talk) 15:13, 12 April 2013 (UTC)
 * The checkwiki script checks for cases of . and .  and   .  Should we eliminate the checks that contain a space between the ref and period?  Unfortunately, this won't stop AWB from "fixing" it when AWB checks the page for another reason. Bgwhite (talk) 18:14, 12 April 2013 (UTC)
 * I guess what we need is a list of possible extensions if there are many instances. Otherwise, nowiki should be suffice. -- Magioladitis (talk) 18:35, 12 April 2013 (UTC)

Double italics
Just a heads up about this edit where the bot seems to have messed up a bit, placing italics in movie titles that already had italics. --Saddhiyama (talk) 10:10, 13 April 2013 (UTC)
 * In fact the bot only moved already existing italics. The problem was already there. -- Magioladitis (talk) 10:21, 13 April 2013 (UTC)

Sterling
Thanks for the alert. the article is now in reasonable shape.  Tigerboy1966  12:03, 14 April 2013 (UTC)

AWB users removal
Hi, I'm not quite sure what criteria you used to decide on inactive users' removal (e.g. here), but it's clearly not producing what you expected it to: e.g., I've been using AWB actively most of the last three years, nevertheless according to you I haven't. I would suggest you review again, and restore users you may have removed by mistake. Meanwhile, can you add my username back please? cherkash (talk) 19:49, 14 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Access should be restored for you. Bgwhite (talk) 21:14, 14 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks. cherkash (talk) 21:24, 14 April 2013 (UTC)


 * He's not the only one... I was also removed in that purge... and I've been quite active in less time. I think you should probably roll back all of those and/or revisit the criteria you used. Shadowjams (talk) 04:27, 17 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Access should be restored. Criteria is just fine.  Removing 2,000 names by hand will cause some (hopefully 2) mistakes. Bgwhite (talk) 04:54, 17 April 2013 (UTC)
 * If you did this by hand, I would expect more problems... what was your process exactly? I'm concerned that within the last few days we're the first two to notice, there will be many more to come. I just want to avoid this for others, and to avoid you having to follow up on all of them. Shadowjams (talk) 05:16, 17 April 2013 (UTC)
 * I removed you two 10 days ago, so there isn't a stampede of editors. Things are relatively fine.  Process was... I received a list of inactive AWB users and I deleted the from the CheckPage. Bgwhite (talk) 05:25, 17 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Ok... I'm not trying to badger you on this, and I thank you for promptly replacing me, but I'd like a little more insight into the list you received. I'd be glad to help you sort through that list to make sure it's accurate if I can. But that's a pretty major switch you made, and so I want to make sure that it's all accurate. I mean, that's even putting aside the question of if removing inactive AWB members is a proper approach. I'd probably agree with the 3 year timeframe, but was there some prior discussion on this topic? Shadowjams (talk) 07:32, 17 April 2013 (UTC)
 * I think you are making a mountain out of a molehill. Two people in almost two weeks is not a deluge.  I'm not a complete idiot you think I am.  Original admin received permission to delete names from AWB developers.  After a few months of inactivity, I took over and received the same permission.  Note, names were deleted if there was no Wikipedia activity and wasn't based on AWB activity as no specific logs are kept about a person's AWB use.  Bgwhite (talk) 05:47, 18 April 2013 (UTC)

bogus edit in source code
The bot made an edit http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Obfuscation_%28software%29&diff=532032346&oldid=530487103 within the source code of an obfuscated C code entry resulting, unsurprisingly, in a syntax error. Perhaps the bot could recognize source fragments tagged as such and ignore them?


 * That is an old edit. Code to the bot (AWB) has been updated since then. Bgwhite (talk) 21:35, 18 April 2013 (UTC)

BG19bot error
Hi Bgwhite. In this edit, as well as removing the  tag at the end of the parameter, BG19bot removed the whole parameter value. I've fixed it, but thought you might like to know. Regards. DH85868993 (talk) 06:05, 17 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Wow. That was certainly a huge mistake. After some digging, the problem is not with AWB, but with a module used to remove the   tag.  I  reported the error to the module's author.  I'll leave the br tag in the article for now so Magioladitis can see the problem for himself.  I will not run the bot on any br tag problem articles for now. Bgwhite (talk) 06:20, 17 April 2013 (UTC)

Bug fixed. Check User_talk:Magioladitis. -- Magioladitis (talk) 14:31, 20 April 2013 (UTC)

Freedom of speech?
Your actions against the pages related to the Doolittle Raiders are sad. It's clear that you do not appreciate the freedoms that were protected by these men, freedoms such as speech to be able to create something such as Wikipedia. Instead you hypocritically delete these pages and hide behind an inconsistent application of policy through your own censorship. These pages will be recreated to counter your vandalism. You would be well served to read the history of the sacrifice of these men, and perhaps you will some day appreciate the freedoms that you have today. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.165.31.225 (talk)
 * Hi, IP. The redirecting of these pages is something that has been agreed upon by groups of editors in more than one discussion. See Articles for deletion/Dean E. Hallmark and Articles for deletion/Thomas C. Griffin. In order to have individual articles about these men, we need to see evidence that multiple reliable sources have discussed them in enough detail that we can create unique articles about their lives. Until that is shown, the redirects will stay. Bgwhite is not censoring your articles; he's enforcing the consensus created by other editors. Lady  of  Shalott  05:31, 21 April 2013 (UTC)

April 2013
Hello, I'm BracketBot. I have automatically detected that [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=551664127 your edit] to Shunichi Yamashita may have broken the syntax by modifying 2 "{}"s. If I misunderstood what happened, or if you have any questions, you can leave my operator a message on his talk page. Thanks, BracketBot (talk) 17:46, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

Talkback
ChrisGualtieri (talk) 00:43, 23 April 2013 (UTC)

Talkback
Not sure if last tb worked. 930913(Congratulate) 19:41, 23 April 2013 (UTC)

Thank you!
Just a quick note to say THANK YOU for the latest database dump on WP:FIX! Sct72 (talk) 23:35, 23 April 2013 (UTC)

Hope this note finds you well
I am stuck with a table that just wont work here is how the Swedish team did it User:Drkup(IMJ)/sandbox here is how it now looks List_of_public_art_in_Israel Where did I go wrong. Thanks again Drkup(IMJ) (talk) 20:00, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

April 2013 Sum up
I noticed that errors 2, 88 and 17 contained pages not fixed in the previous sweep. For error 2: It is because we don't fix extreme cases. For error 88: It is because I had to run on the page with "bypass redirect" unchecked. For error 17: It is because AWB can't fix duplicated categories with conflicting sortkeys. -- Magioladitis (talk) 07:58, 8 April 2013 (UTC)

There are leftovers in all errors. I think we should compare this month to the previous and see what's left to be done. -- Magioladitis (talk) 09:54, 8 April 2013 (UTC)

improves #6 fixing. -- Magioladitis (talk) 22:08, 17 April 2013 (UTC)

Maybe you could finish #69 and #74? -- Magioladitis (talk) 08:10, 18 April 2013 (UTC)

Maybe you could finish #44 and #63? I did almost all of them but I need a second pair of eyes. -- Magioladitis (talk) 17:42, 18 April 2013 (UTC)

improves #44 fixing. -- Magioladitis (talk) 17:56, 18 April 2013 (UTC)

for endashes and emdashes in sortkey (error #6). -- Magioladitis (talk) 19:10, 18 April 2013 (UTC)

I ran on my own lists for error #6, #16 and #22 fixing much more pages than those given. This is going to be a great month. -- Magioladitis (talk) 17:08, 21 April 2013 (UTC)

You need to change your edit summary. -- Magioladitis (talk) 07:35, 25 April 2013 (UTC)
 * I just caught as you sent the message. I unfortunately do that too many times.

I started fixing error 46 but unfortunately I don't have enough time to finish it before the next dump. I put what's left in AutoWikiBrowser/Sandbox in case you want to play with the list too. -- Magioladitis (talk) 04:36, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

Ezra Holdings
Hi. This edit is a bit old now and the underlying issue may have already been reported/resolved, but just in case, the substituted markup wasn't quite right. I fixed it in this edit. --MZMcBride (talk) 14:41, 29 April 2013 (UTC)
 * That was only a 6 month old edit. I had somebody complain about an edit from two years previous.  I checked with the latest AWB and it appears not to do the same mistake anymore. Bgwhite (talk) 05:21, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

Thank you
Thank you for your peer review and edit of Kilden – Information Centre for Gender Research. --Normash (talk) 08:42, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

Mirza Muhammad Ismail
Hi friend, Thanks a lot for various corrections in the article. I am obliged. Regards .--ڈاکٹر محمد علی (talk) 07:24, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

Bashir Ahmad Orchard
Hi friend, thank you very much for the kindly edits and corrections to the above article. Be well. Regards --ڈاکٹر محمد علی (talk) 08:35, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

Talkback
Another editor questioned the COI tag on this article, and I agree it appears not to be a case of conflict of interest. Your input is welcomed, regards! VQuakr (talk) 04:47, 4 May 2013 (UTC)

Oxidation state
Please have a look at Talk:Oxidation state, where I have proposed a merger suggested by your mass removal of language links. Dirac66 (talk) 01:30, 8 May 2013 (UTC)

BracketBot Bug
How strange :/ Looking into it now. 930913(Congratulate) 06:11, 8 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Everything about me is strange. Bgwhite (talk) 06:13, 8 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Looks like it was looking for a slightly different category (en:). Thanks for testing this for me :p Should be working now. 930913(Congratulate) 06:17, 8 May 2013 (UTC)
 * And that time it was complaining about underscores instead of spaces... *Should be working now.* 930913(Congratulate) 06:28, 8 May 2013 (UTC)
 * So it looks like it doesn't need the underscores, but needs the en:... *Sigh* Third time lucky? 930913(Congratulate) 06:47, 8 May 2013 (UTC)

Removing twitter as a source
Using AWB you removed twitter sources from the PCGamingWiki page. I was wondering if twitter was designated as an unreliable source or if I could add them back in. Nicereddy (talk) 01:01, 9 May 2013 (UTC)
 * I had to laugh at "Once again we hit 10k uniques in a day, mostly because of interest in our SimCity buglist".  Ahhh, EA knows how to screw up a game better than anyone.  I won't even go on about their always on crap.
 * I was tormented on if the entire sentence about 10k should be removed or not. Article says "10,000 unique page views", twitter ref says "10k visitors in a day again" and "10k uniques in a day".  Unique pages and visitors are not the same thing.  1,000 visitors each viewing 10 pages adds upto 10k unique page views.  If there were 10,000 unique visitors, they would visit more than one page, so unique page views will be higher than 10k.  So, the twitter refs do not back up what is being said in the article.   Not sure what metric "10k uniques" refers to, but it is unreliable because we don't know what the tweet means (visitor or page). Bgwhite (talk) 21:35, 8 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the response, I'll leave it off then. Nicereddy (talk) 01:01, 9 May 2013 (UTC)

Most stunning woman
Watch 30:00-32:00 and 52:00-53:00 of this. Isn't she one of the most spectacularly beautiful women in film history!! I just melt looking at her! ♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld  09:45, 9 May 2013 (UTC)

Email spam
Hi. I just noticed this problem, and don't yet know enough about Wikidata to fix it properly, or quickly. Can you resolve? Or do you know which noticeboard/page I'm supposed to dump this information at? Much thanks. –Quiddity (talk) 22:48, 9 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Q12016327 - Email spam - and this transfer
 * Q83058 - Spam (electronic) - and this transfer
 * They are fine. This one is tricky because the subject on both are almost the same.  Most languages will only have one article on the subject.  Spam (electronic) is more of the general article, so most of the interwiki links end up with that one.  Had sort of the same problem up above on my talk page with Oxidation state and Oxidation number.  All languages only had one article that talked about both, except for English.  They are proposing merging both articles together to fix that problem. Bgwhite (talk) 04:51, 10 May 2013 (UTC)

Imber
Hello Bgwhite, I have reverted your recent edits on Imber. The reason being that several editors had asked for references on this section and your edit deletes them. If you can think of a better way to display them - so be it - but I do believe the refs need to be there. With kind regards, David, David J Johnson (talk) 10:03, 13 May 2013 (UTC)
 * @David J Johnson What does Hobnob|Sawyer|2001|pp145-152}} mean?  It has broken syntax.  No clue what a Hobnob is.  This isn't a reference. Bgwhite (talk) 17:17, 13 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Hello, Hobnob|Sawyer is the publisher and author of "Little Imber on the Down" I've obviously done the reference wrongly. Can you please help? Regards, David, David J Johnson (talk) 17:45, 13 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Done. Bgwhite (talk) 19:21, 13 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Thank you so much for your help. Regards, David, David J Johnson (talk) 19:38, 13 May 2013 (UTC)

United Nations Observer Mission in Georgia
My edit (on United Nations Observer Mission in Georgia) was an accidental save, not "vandalism" as you wrote in your edit summary. Thank you for correcting it, but please be assume good faith in the future. I am a longtime editor, not a newbie vandal. Neutralitytalk 01:43, 14 May 2013 (UTC)

Vigil, your last edit, AWB and LSJ template.
FYI: AWB doesn't seem to be able to deal correctly with parentheses used in TLG-LSJ's beta code. P.S.According to this isn't date instead of year preferred in this template?? Addendum: Now I realise that you already know about beta code; we've already talked about it here. Well you did the same thing using AWB... Never mind, I've already fixed it... :) Thanatos|talk 19:35, 15 May 2013 (UTC)
 * It wasn't AWB who goofed as it was a manual edit done by me. In this case, I know about beta code, but remembering about it is a different story. Thank you for catching it.
 * For date/year... You use date for "Full date of source being referenced". Use year if only year is known. Bgwhite (talk) 20:21, 15 May 2013 (UTC)

Please be more careful
Johnbod (talk) 12:38, 16 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Huh? I fixed a broken bracket and put the weblink where it belonged, on the title of the journal article.  Nothing was done wrong. Bgwhite (talk) 17:20, 16 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Hmm, why are all the JSTOR links separated from the actual article titles? Oh, I see, that's the jstor way. Sigh.
 * And because jstor killed their API, template:cite jstor is not currently working. So, these entries all need to be manually converted to use Template:Cite journal, which will link to jstor in the proper fashion.
 * Example, for clarity:
 * results in:


 * And expanding by hand is probably easier within the page itself.
 * So, you're both right(wrong), and much manual labour is needed! *me runs away...* –Quiddity (talk) 21:53, 16 May 2013 (UTC)

Please consider revising your AWB actions
I don't know if AWB is this messy or you're careless, but mindless usage won't do any good. The changes you've made on Holy See of Cilicia page usually causes fractures. I wonder why do you put table end |} after Infobox? Previously you put the same after images. Please, check your settings, because carelessness isn't "general fixes and cleanup. - using AWB" but general (although unintentional) vandalism. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Insane.kismanO (talk • contribs) 23:09, 16 May 2013 (UTC)
 * - - AWB wants to add the |} because the beginning of the article contained an unclosed {| .  I've manually removed the unnecessary characters and confirmed it didn't impact the presentation of the article, so AWB doesn't try to fix the problem again.  GoingBatty (talk) 23:14, 16 May 2013 (UTC)

Conservative Party of Canada candidates, 2011 Canadian federal election: Revision history
This AWB edit did not appear to be good. 117Avenue (talk) 03:03, 17 May 2013 (UTC)
 * You are correct. I should have removed it like you did. Bgwhite (talk) 05:08, 17 May 2013 (UTC)

What even Chuck Norris can not do!
...in Wikipedia we can access and cite a reference even before its publication! Even Chuck Norris can not do it. To explain, I have just cited this Bengali article in a Wikipedia article Meghe Dhaka Tara (2013 film)! It is published half an hour ago! The problem is following local standard time they have dated it 19 May 2013, But, in Wikipedia it is still 18 May 2013. --Tito Dutta (contact) 18:57, 18 May 2013 (UTC)
 * I like that. Hmmm, people in the U.S. keep complaining that east Asia steals jobs, invents things faster than ever and always seem a step ahead. Now we know the real reason, you can predict the future.  Well, I can predict the future too.  I know that my wife will be mad at me today, again. Bgwhite (talk) 22:58, 18 May 2013 (UTC)

Test
I was doing a test, it got spoiled... anyway... see User_talk:Titodutta/Archive_16 at that no one with whom I used to communicate regularly came forward except two people. I was trying to see reactions after this block message! --Tito Dutta (contact) 23:42, 21 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Whew! I was worried you took it to heart.  I got a good laugh on Sitush's talk page on how you slammed me with the Socrates remark.  It was actually a brilliant slam.  I had to think of someway to say thank you. Bgwhite (talk) 05:17, 22 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Be assured... if you had actually blocked my account.... I would not have felt bad ... ... Actually, that could make me very happy ... ...

... seeing you are finally using your admin tools and doing some "real" admin work!

Tito Dutta (contact) 06:06, 22 May 2013 (UTC)

WikiProject Banners
Dunno if you saw my response....I'm using User:Kephir/gadgets/rater, and apparently it's not the 'greatest' tool....it does the abbreviations and such itself. I'm running Linux, so I can't use that tool, but if you know of a 'best practices' for updating them I'd be happy to use it.

I'm trying to work on the *huge* backlog of unassessed bios (at least marking them as stubs, the right task force, etc) and I'd much rather do it 'right'.

Unfortunately it's one of those 'scattered old docs' things it seems. :/ Revent (talk) 22:57, 22 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Just for some feedback, would you say that this edit was the 'better' way, or an I still missing anything? I'm not really trying to formally 'assess' them so much as just move them from the backlog to where they'll get more attention.
 * I wasn't putting the 'shell' on unless there were at least 3 banners (like bio, milhist, and a country) Revent (talk) 00:51, 23 May 2013 (UTC)
 * @Revent Looks good.  You are just fine putting the shell on pages with at least three banners.  User Traveler100 does the image bots and is the resident expert on image requests.  If you have questions on images, best to goto the horse's mouth. Bgwhite (talk) 05:16, 23 May 2013 (UTC)

fr
I Had to revert since there were some that never archived. I am in Hackathon and I try to convince some people actually do some of this stuff. -- Magioladitis (talk) 11:20, 24 May 2013 (UTC)

Heidi Huffman
Thanks for the assessment. --FoolMeOnce2Times (talk) 19:11, 24 May 2013 (UTC)

Talkback message from Tito Dutta
Tito Dutta (contact) 08:13, 25 May 2013 (UTC)
 * In case you encounter Indian AFDs, you can use this one too to find sources! --Tito Dutta (contact) 08:15, 25 May 2013 (UTC)

9210
The last working is rev 9210. The next commits cause an exception. -- Magioladitis (talk) 21:50, 26 May 2013 (UTC)

Several things
You were asked not to "bump" threads on ANI. The same applies to most boards. Restoring a two-month thread at COI is not appropriate. Start a new one with a link to the old thread. It was also the wrong spot for you comments. Only after a SPI investigation has proved a sockpuppet, then you can remove the content added by the sockpuppet. If you need admin help, then take it to ANI and ask for help.

Please do not add tags as you did at Trashy Bags. We don't add tags for what might happen in a few months or years for now. Tags are for what is wrong in the article. Please don't add them any more. I also left a message on Trashy Bags' talk page about edit warring.

I suggest you take a look at your CSD log and PROD log as your deletion to tagged percentage is not great. The logs are a great way to see what you are doing wrong and right. Putting one of these tags when not warranted can be demoralizing to a new user. Saying on a Prod "Article fails WP:NPOV and perhaps also WP:42" is not appropriate reason. NPOV is not listed at WP:DEL-REASON. Articles with NPOV issues is supposed to be cleaned up and not deleted. WP:42 is not a valid reason either and it isn't funny. Proding is serious business. In Michael Isaacson's case, you cannot PROD an article twice. You were asked to take it to AfD if you didn't like what DGG was doing. Please familiarize yourself with the PROD instructions at WP:PROD.

Bgwhite (talk) 05:31, 10 May 2013 (UTC)


 * You made lots of excellent points. Thank you for all your points.
 * Let me respond to a few of your points.
 * Your point about Trashy Bags clarified something about which I was long puzzled. Now I see why it would be fruitless to keep my custom tag on Trashy Bags. Do you think it might be sensible, though, for me to put the tag at the top of Talk:Trashy Bags? If not, why?
 * I wrote "WP:42" as a shorthand to explain that an article seems not to provide enough reliable sources to meet WP:V. You have made a good counterargument, and I hope to try not to use that shorthand again in the future.
 * I PRODded Michael Isaacson, removed the PROD tag myself, then PRODded it myself again later. I figured that because it was I myself who removed the PROD tag, it was acceptable to ignore the rule and re-add it myself. Yes, User:DGG advised me to use AfD in this case, but I took this as a helpful suggestion, not as a careful interpretation of policy. Do you truly feel the Michael Isaacson article should remain on Wikipedia? If so, why?
 * I am not watching this page. If you'd like to reply, it would be much appreciated if you could please cut and paste the conversation onto my talk page first.
 * Cheers, &mdash;Unforgettableid (talk) 23:15, 28 May 2013 (UTC)

Cal Meetup
As far as I know, you are from California, do you know when they'll organize next meetup? Reply here: User_talk:Buster7 DO NOT POST ABOUT THIS AT MY TALK PAGE --Tito Dutta (contact) 23:19, 29 May 2013 (UTC)
 * My apologies for calling you a California resident! I forgot that only talented and energetic Americans live in California. [[File:Smiley lol.gif]]. BTW, I posted your name here but was rejected! --Tito Dutta (contact) 00:02, 30 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Typical Tito. Trying to butter me up by nominating me, then tearing me down the next.  To misquote Mark Twain, "Suppose you were an idiot, and suppose you were from Kolkata; but I repeat myself." Bgwhite (talk) 00:22, 30 May 2013 (UTC)
 * If you really need to misquote something, please misquote this one—
 * Translation:
 * It was told for Kashmir, but, you can misquote this for Kolkata too!--Tito Dutta (contact) 00:42, 30 May 2013 (UTC)
 * He lives in Houston, Texas, I have updated at Buster7's talk page (link at the top of this section). Can you find that city's next meetup too and/or nearest WMF office? --Tito Dutta (contact) 00:53, 30 May 2013 (UTC)
 * He lives in Houston, Texas, I have updated at Buster7's talk page (link at the top of this section). Can you find that city's next meetup too and/or nearest WMF office? --Tito Dutta (contact) 00:53, 30 May 2013 (UTC)

Few lines To the Fourth of July

 * Did you know... the poem To the Fourth of July was written by Swami Vivekananda on 4 July 1898 on the anniversary of America's Independence (4 July 1776), incidentally died on the same date (4 July 1902)?

If I misquote a dialogues from Tomorrow Never Dies— tomorrow's hook today. I am planning to have this DYK hook on 4 July— a) poem's writing date b) America's independence day (theme), 3) poet's death!

Could you please add 3—4 sentences in the theme section after reading this poetry this poem?--Tito Dutta (contact) 09:04, 31 May 2013 (UTC)

Thank you
Thank you, my dear friend. Wishing you the best in your life. --Meno25 (talk) 04:06, 1 June 2013 (UTC)

Thank you
Thank you for your kindness in fixing up my errors on St James the Great St Kilda East - much appreciated. Adamm (talk • contribs) 08:58, 1 June 2013 (UTC)

Talkback message from Tito Dutta
Tito Dutta (talk • contributions • email) 15:43, 1 June 2013 (UTC)

Using AWB to make very minor edits
Hi Bg, the situation with Maglioditis filling up watchlists with very minor edits is continuing. Can AWB be changed so that it doesn't add white space between headers, and doesn't change "further" to "see" (as in this edit)?

Re: the headers, the MoS says only that there should be a space before a header that has text following it. There's no need to add space before a header that has a subhead following it (that is, we write header, text, space, header; we don't need header, space, subhead, text, space, header, space, subhead, etc). And "see" is easier to type than "further," and both produce "further information," so there's no need to change it. Those are the changes that most often come up on my watchlist from Maglioditis or Yobot – and judging by the comments, on other watchlists too – so if they were removed from AWB it would solve the problem. SlimVirgin (talk) 19:00, 1 June 2013 (UTC)
 * I fixed the second issue. I am not sure if you are right on the first one. We should leave a message to the Manual of Style talk page. -- Magioladitis (talk) 19:37, 1 June 2013 (UTC)


 * Thanks for doing that. As for the other, WP:MOSHEAD says: "Include one blank line above the heading, and optionally one blank line below it, for readability in the edit window." They mean one blank line above the heading when the heading follows text. There's no need for a blank line otherwise, and if you have lots of subheads, adding blank lines adds up to a lot of white space, which actually makes editing quite awkward on smaller screens. I don't have diffs to hand of an example unfortunately, but you can imagine the effect of header, space, subhead, space, subhead, space, text, space, etc, when it's repeated several times. SlimVirgin (talk) 19:48, 1 June 2013 (UTC)


 * I haven't been active this weekend, so thank you Magioladitis for answering.


 * @Magioladitis, why did you make the change on further/see? AWB did have it right.  see is just a redirect to further.  I understand if people want to use see as it saves a second of typing.  However, people do change see to see also thinking that is what the original author meant.


 * @SlimVirgin, I completely understand about it being awkward on smaller screens. I often have to zoom text to be able to clearly see things.  The new AWB has made it so I can't use it because they have shrunk the edit box.  When I zoom in to read the text, there isn't enough lines in the edit box.  However, I disagree with your interpretation to MOSHEAD. "They mean one blank line above the heading when the heading follows text."  I don't see where they say "heading follows text".  I view at as it states in MOSHEAD, "Include one blank line above the heading".  I see no qualifiers in that phrase.
 * AWB should only make this change if something else changes. This shouldn't fill your watchlist.  Every bot owner should have check "Skip if only whitespace has changed."  If that isn't true, then give a yell as the bot/person should be stopped.  I think this is a case where we all could be right.  If you don't want to add a blank line above the second header, go ahead.  If AWB does want to add a blank line, go ahead. Bgwhite (talk) 06:12, 3 June 2013 (UTC)
 * You have a very good point on see. -- Magioladitis (talk) 06:41, 3 June 2013 (UTC)

WP:ANI notice
Hello. There is currently a discussion at Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. (Note I'm just notifying you because the person who started the discussion failed to do so themselves.) —Psychonaut (talk) 12:16, 3 June 2013 (UTC)

Tech news: 2013-23
Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please inform other users about these changes.


 * Recent software changes: (Not all changes will affect you.)
 * The latest version of MediaWiki (1.22/wmf5) was added to non-Wikipedia wikis on May 29. It will be enabled on the English Wikipedia on June 3, and on all other Wikipedias on June 5.
 * The Tamil Wikipedia shared a Lua module they created to automate their Main Page.
 * There is now a test wiki to test new features in right-to-left languages.
 * The Thanks feature was added to the English Wikipedia; users can now thank others for individual edits.
 * The new interface for account creation and log-in is now the default on 30 wikis, including the English Wikipedia, Commons, Meta, and Wikidata. The feature will be added to all wikis after June 5. Users can return to the old look by [//meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:UserLogin?useNew=0 adding ?useNew=0] to the web address.
 * Videos are now played in pop-up windows if their size on the page is smaller than 200 pixels (800 pixels on the English Wikipedia).
 * Opening your talk page now marks notifications as read, for wikis using the Notifications feature. (bug 47912).
 * All autoconfirmed users can now reset transcoding of video files; previously only administrators could do this.
 * The Nearby feature allows people who use mobile devices to see Wikipedia articles about objects and places around them.


 * Future software changes:


 * The PostEdit feature is now part of MediaWiki, and will work on all wikis. (bug 48726)
 * The Narayam and WebFonts extensions will be replaced by the Universal Language Selector extension.
 * MediaWiki will now be updated every week, starting on June 6. Thanks to this, bugs will be fixed and features will be added faster than they are now.

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 * 1) == AFDs and Jimkio12 ==

I've tried everything I can with him to explain WP:RS and how it is necessary for articles to pass WP:PORNBIO, WP:BIO, whatever.....and it seems that he refuses to listen to constructive criticisms. Any thoughts? hmssolent \You rang? ship's log 06:58, 4 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Their horrible English certainly isn't helping either... I'm confused. Am I a  hybercritic or a  hypercritic?  I'll go with the first as that misspelling is funnier. I've also been  taken to ANI by their sockpuppet.


 * They already had an article deleted at the AfD for Swiss Thiss and it shows the same lack of understanding.  They also used sockpuppets there too.  Their refusal to listen, plus horrible English comprehension, means nothing can be done.  It is a lost cause.  They can be banned right now due to their 3RR, insults and sockpuppetry.  That would end their misery.  Bgwhite (talk) 07:21, 4 June 2013 (UTC)


 * I've just found two possible socks at the von Tell nomination - both being SPAs with little or no edits beyond the AFD nomination; should I file an SPI report now? hmssolent \You rang? ship's log 00:31, 5 June 2013 (UTC)


 * Never mind - I've sent the matter to ANI. hmssolent \You rang? ship's log 00:55, 5 June 2013 (UTC)
 * It seems that you've sent an SPI report on JK12, but without a CU endorsement. Why? hmssolent \You rang? ship's log 02:50, 5 June 2013 (UTC)