User talk:Bgwhite/Archive 16

RE: NIA
The header should read "Re;ANI", but I don't prefer to use "ANI", "Blocked", "Warning" etc in headers, those trigger alarm to other talk page stalkers.

Anyway, that sounds good. Swami Vivekananda once told— In a day when you don't come across any problems — you can be sure that you are travelling in the wrong path. (read more). I'll pray to mother Kali so that more and more people report against you at ANI. You are making us proud.

To_the_Fourth_of_July has been nominated and passed in DYK. I hope it is going to face trouble because of its length! I have been a bit busy with multiple DYK nominations, expansion. Foolishly I have started expansion work of 3 articles together. Don't know how I am going to manage! --Tito Dutta (talk • contributions • email)


 * I'm actually enjoying this go around with ANI/AfD/Craziness and I can't always say that. Probably because I am a  hybercritic and a  hypercritic.  What's funny is I used to do 20-30 AfD's a month and I bet I've done ~5 this year. I've been taken to ANI twice this for AfDs.  Joy.


 * You did a real good job on To the Fourth of July. That is the type of article I love because you learn something that you would never have dreamed about.  How many DYK's are you upto?  You might want to improve the article Insane asylum because that is where you are going to if you keep doing multiple DYKs at once. Bgwhite (talk) 05:21, 5 June 2013 (UTC)
 * I have created an anti-editcountitis slogan (humour, do not take seriously)— "", that is a primary symptom of editcountitis For me, this slogan is true in 300 days a year. In remaining 64 days, it is not applicable, because in those days, I myself suffer from this disease [[File:Smiley lol.gif]].
 * So, number of DYKs don't matter, I have a handful of DYKs. In my opinion, my best DYK hook has been this one Did you know ... that in Greenland, 1 in every 5 people attempt to commit suicide? See at User:Titodutta/DYK --Tito Dutta  (talk • contributions • email) 05:43, 5 June 2013 (UTC)

AWB permission
Can you give User:Bubaikumar AWB permission? He is doing excellent work! But, he needs to request others for clean-up: User_talk:Titodutta! Or does he himself need to apply? --Tito Dutta (talk • contributions • email) 11:04, 5 June 2013 (UTC)
 * He will need to request permission at Wikipedia talk:AutoWikiBrowser/CheckPage. Then, I can approve him. Bgwhite (talk) 18:13, 5 June 2013 (UTC)

Guess
Tito, I'm not from California, but good try. Only 49 states left to guess. Bgwhite (talk) 23:35, 29 May 2013 (UTC) — Though I have 49 states left to guess, my second guess is City: South Jordan, State: Utah. You might have some connection/interest in Idaho as well. --Tito Dutta (talk • contributions • email) 11:24, 5 June 2013 (UTC)
 * You are close. Right state, wrong city.  Somebody has been looking at my GA/FA articles. Bgwhite (talk) 18:24, 5 June 2013 (UTC)

Brackets
Yes, I know I make a lot of bracket errors. I've suggested that BracketBot's response time be extended to 15 mins, as the bot often posts before I get a chance to fix them. I've started doing a run through at the end of each year's list to catch missed wikilinks. Mjroots (talk) 18:19, 6 June 2013 (UTC)

Fixing CHECKWIKI errors
Hi, Bgwhite. I would like to help you and Magio in fixing CHECKWIKI errors using AWB. (I have made thousands of CHECKWIKI fixes on arwiki and I will submit my BRfA for this task on enwiki shortly.) Could you tell me which errors still need to be fixed in June dumb, please? Thank you. --Meno25 (talk) 08:22, 8 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Bgwhite crates the list every month. Then in the column "Last scan", June list indicates the list has been generated and 06/2013 that the list has been fixed. -- Magioladitis (talk) 08:33, 8 June 2013 (UTC)


 * Thank you, Magio. I don't have enough resources to download the huge enwiki database dumb file, so, I will depend on the list generated by Bgwhite. Bgwhite, I know that you are eager to fix all errors but could you, please, leave some unfixed for my bot trial? Thank you. --Meno25 (talk) 08:43, 8 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Don't look at me. If you look at the history logs, you will see Magio is going gangbusters.  I can't see where he has slept for the past day. Bgwhite (talk) 17:56, 8 June 2013 (UTC)


 * Meno25 it would be great if you could help us with the bugs that need to be done manually too. Especially #10, #43, #47. It is also important to keep record of which pages are not fixed by AWB so that we can improve the logic. -- Magioladitis (talk) 09:00, 8 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Mention Meno's name so he gets a notification. Meno Meno Meno.
 * Manually, the big ones are #10, #28, #43, #47, #80 and #86. For #80 and #86 you have to see what the bot didn't fix.  You can check by loading this month's and last month's list into AWB's "List comparer".  Any articles on both list will need to be done manually.
 * #26, #34, #38, #40, #58 also need to be done manually, but I usually handle those.
 * #6 and #17 are also done manually, usually after Magio runs the bot.
 * #32 is also done manually after the bot runs. As part of the Checkwiki program, a list is generated that shows where the error is located in the article.  The majority of the time, AWB doesn't alert that there is an error. I use the list to find where the error is and then fix it.  A list is also generated for #34 for the same reason.


 * We usually have a big section on a talk page where we communicate what is going on during the month's Checkwiki sweep. This month it is at: User talk:Magioladitis. Bgwhite (talk) 17:56, 8 June 2013 (UTC)
 * If you write me the regex used by CHECKWIKI for #32 I may could update AWB's code to catch it. -- Magioladitis (talk) 18:29, 8 June 2013 (UTC)

Nomination of Stu Klitenic for deletion
A discussion is taking place as to whether if Stu Klitenic should be deleted or not. The conversation will be held at the Articles for deletion/Stu Klitenic until a consensus is held and everyone is welcome to join the conversation. However, do not remove the AfD message on the top of the page. Ashbeckjonathan 03:41, 10 June 2013 (UTC)

Tech news: 2013-24
Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please inform other users about these changes.


 * Recent software changes: (Not all changes will affect you.)


 * The latest version of MediaWiki (1.22/wmf6) was added to test wikis and MediaWiki.org on June 6, and to non-Wikipedia wikis on June 10. It will be enabled on all Wikipedias on June 13.
 * An alpha version of the VisualEditor was enabled on all Wikipedias on June 6. Please [//blog.wikimedia.org/2013/06/06/preparing-for-visualeditor-on-all-wikipedias/ test it and report problems].
 * Several VisualEditor bugs have been fixed; users can now add, edit and remove categories using the editor's "Page settings" menu.
 * Wikimedia error messages will no longer link to the #wikipedia meta-irc-chans>:m:IRC/Channels|IRC channel on Freenode.
 * The logo of 16 Wikipedias was changed to version 2.0 in a fourth group of updates.
 * A test instance of Wikidata is now available at [//test.wikidata.org test.wikidata.org].
 * Users can now patrol the first version of a newly created page if they visit it from Special:NewPages or Special:RecentChanges.
 * Translation pages will no longer include edit section links (bug #40713).


 * Future software changes:


 * A report on mobile upload errors was published, and software changes to reduce their number will come soon.
 * A request for comments on updating MediaWiki to use RDFa version 1.1 was started on MediaWiki.org (Gerrit change #67608).

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List of Cypriot football transfers summer 2013
There's a question about your recent edit on that article's talk page, initiated by a conversation at WP:Teahouse/Questions. EBY (talk) 20:43, 13 June 2013 (UTC)

Why did you revert all my changes?
There was another error I corrected, but you reverted it too. (The descriptions for Home and Feature requests say the same thing). The Transhumanist 22:22, 13 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I didn't see those. I've added back those changes. Bgwhite (talk) 22:44, 13 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Thank you. No worries. The Transhumanist 22:56, 13 June 2013 (UTC)

"Documentation" page is a bit confusing
That page caught me off-guard.

I didn't realize the menu was the main content for the page. The actual main content of the page (its body) is about source code. It's a bit confusing to those not already familiar with the page.

The standard practice for navigation menus throughout Wikipedia community pages is to lead to sister pages. This is why I skipped right past the menu.

For examples of standard navigation menu scope (i.e., showing sister pages), see the menus at the top of: Basically, each of the menus cited above tie the members of a set together. The title of each page in the set indicates what that page is about.
 * Portal:Mathematics
 * Portal:Contents/Lists
 * Help:Contents/Browse
 * Maintenance
 * Community portal (under "Interact more")

But the title of the AWB source code page does not indicate what the page is about.

Another aspect of navigation menus, is that the menu itself is presented at the top of each member of its set, to assist navigation between the members of the set.

Another problem with AWB's documentation, is that it is not all gathered into a single set. You have the "Documentation" set, and then you have the User manual that stands separately. Those should be consolidated into the same set, or even into the same manual using Wikipedia's Summary style.

Thank you for reverting me and pointing out the menu. Nice catch. I'll see if I can fix it to be more intuitive. Feel free to point out any glitches in my editing, and I'll be happy to revert/discuss in the spirit of finding a better solution. The Transhumanist 23:28, 13 June 2013 (UTC)

Working on AWB menu structure
I've simplified the main menu, and pulled the menu off the documentation page and turned it into the Template:AWB help menu. That menu is now accessed via the User manual, and ties all the documentation pages (that were posted on the "Documentation" page) together.

I'm currently working on cleaning up the clutter at the top of the User manual page.

Feel free to jump in and help. The Transhumanist 00:35, 14 June 2013 (UTC)


 * Navigation disentanglement/cleanup complete. There were three menus before, now there are two.  I moved the links from Template:AWB mheader to Template:AWB help menu.  People accustomed to clicking on "documentation" in main menu can still easily find it.  Later, after they get used to its new location, it might be a good idea to rename it to "help".  The Transhumanist 01:09, 14 June 2013 (UTC)

AWB documentation
Please don't re-arrange the pages. You just wiped out all of AWB's documentation pages. Bgwhite (talk) 20:36, 13 June 2013 (UTC)


 * I didn't wipe out anything, I changed the page title to reflect its contents.


 * The menu says that the page includes "Documentation of the various features of AWB".


 * But it doesn't. It gives instructions on how to download the AWB source code.


 * The documentation on the program and its features is included in the User Manual.


 * Fix the menu please. The Transhumanist 3:40 pm, Today (UTC−6)


 * The page does list about compiling the source code, but it also lists the various documentation pages available.


 * The very first thing is a bar saying Topics: Custom modules · Dated templates · Interwiki order · Mono & Wine · Plugins · Rename template parameters · Style.css · WikiFunctions.dll · User talk templates 21:48, 13 June 2013 (UTC)


 * On virtually every page on Wikipedia, the subject specified in the title is the subject covered in the body of the article. But on AutoWikiBrowser/Documentation, that standard is not followed.  The body of the article is about something totally different than the title of the article.  It's confusing. The Transhumanist 10:40, 14 June 2013 (UTC)

Concerning WP:BRD
As always, feel free to revert and/or revise my edits. How do you like the latest changes to the AWB template? The Transhumanist 19:59, 14 June 2013 (UTC)

Really?
Just checking that you read the entire discussion - the history of the page(s) in question show that the Rabbit should not have a separate article - it belongs back in the original. I have no real horse in that race, but opening the Rabbit article for editing is a huge mistake ... especially based on the conversation you link to (✉→ BWilkins ←✎) 22:51, 15 June 2013 (UTC)
 * There was an edit conflict. Here is what I was going to write before you chimed in.
 * I just unprotected the page based upon:
 * The merger proposal was initiated by a sockpuppet and was the only one involved in the discussion.
 * Two editors want to restore the contents of the page, one editor would be fine with that resolution, and no editors were in disagreement.
 * Bunny rabbits are cute :)
 * As Bwilkins was the admin who recently placed protection on the page and he is alot smarter than I am, I have no problem if he protects again. Bgwhite (talk) 22:56, 15 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Ack! My apologies for the confusion. I emailed the wrong admin (Bgwhite), asking if he would mind responding, as we had been pinged him a couple of times without any reply.
 * I'll post a note in the talkpage discussion itself, on that topic. *Red-faced* –Quiddity (talk) 23:05, 15 June 2013 (UTC)

Tech News: 2013-25
Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please inform other users about these changes. Translations are available.


 * Recent software changes: (Not all changes will affect you.)


 * The latest version of MediaWiki (1.22wmf7) was added to test wikis and MediaWiki.org on June 13. It will be enabled on non–Wikipedia sites on June 17, and on all Wikipedias on June 20.
 * The Narayam and WebFonts extensions were successfully replaced by Universal Language Selector on June 11.
 * VisualEditor news:
 * VisualEditor was temporarily disabled on Wikipedia sites on June 14 due to an issue that inserted a lot of HTML code. The issue is now fixed and VisualEditor works as before.
 * Users can now use VisualEditor to add images and other media items from their local wikis and Wikimedia Commons..
 * VisualEditor also allows editing references.
 * The new Disambiguator extension, which was previously part of MediaWiki itself, was enabled on test wikis. It adds the magic word  to mark disambiguation pages.
 * The newly enabled Campaigns extension allows Wikimedia Foundation data analysts to track account creations that result from a specific outreach campaign.


 * Future software changes:


 * Universal Language Selector will be added to the Catalan (ca), Cebuano (ceb), Persian (fa), Finnish (fi), Norwegian Bokmål (no), Portuguese (pt), Ukrainian (uk), Vietnamese (vi), Waray-Waray (war) and Chinese (zh) Wikipedias on June 18.
 * Starting on June 18, VisualEditor will be randomly enabled by default for half of newly created accounts on the English Wikipedia to test stability, performance and features.
 * Two new webfonts (UnifrakturMaguntia and Linux Libertine) will be added to wikis that use Universal Language Selector.
 * It will now be possible to hide the sidebar while using the Translate extension to reduce distractions (bug #45836).
 * A patrolling link will now be visible for un-patrolled pages, even if users don't visit it from Special:NewPages or Special:RecentChanges (bug #49123).
 * A request for comments on enabling a new search engine for MediaWiki was started.

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Indian random quote
Tito ☸ Dutta 14:08, 18 June 2013 (UTC)

A Jalebi for you
 A jalebi for you ''' Here is one jalebi for you. Jalebi is a sweet popular in countries of the Indian Subcontinent, specially in India, Pakistan, Bangaldesh. Hope you'll like it. Thank you. Tito ☸ Dutta 14:52, 18 June 2013 (UTC)

Invitation to visit WikiProject India kitchen
 Namaste, you are invited to visit the Kitchen of WikiProject India where you'll find many delicious Indian cuisines to have yourself or to share with others. Thank you. Tito ☸ Dutta 01:08, 19 June 2013 (UTC)

Question
I'll be blunt; is it okay if I fix articles with general fixes as long as I have the "skip only cosmetic changes" option on? Secondly; if I make manual changes in the process (bracket fixes and beyond) what should I make my edit summary be? Is it okay to use AWB to even add content to the articles while I hit other changes? Either way; the current backlog of tasks I have is a bit high, but I get much enjoyment for standardization and improving articles; I actually discover a lot of fun articles to improve like Bison through AWB's hitting on their errors. I believe that the skip cosmetic changes function has a higher threshold which would be acceptable; previously I did skip for case and whitespace changes only. Though even targeting the bracket backlog did not get far because of the objection. In short; if I were to manually go through and fix pages with the skip all non-cosmetic changes; would that be acceptable? If there is some module to be even more effective and address even more concerns in the process; please let me know! I much rather get all the problems I can in one fell swoop than make several passes. ChrisGualtieri (talk) 02:57, 19 June 2013 (UTC)


 * You and I do think the same way. My computer background "forces" me to think that standardization is a needed thing.  I'm currently in trouble for it... CHECKWIKI and/or AWB removing self-closing XHTML syntax.  Magiolidits gets in even more trouble as his bot has been blocked.


 * I don't have "skip only cosmetic changes" checked. I hopefully have gotten to the point where I know what is a good or bad edit.  Plus, often times I see other problems, such as grammar, that I can fix which AWB would have skipped.  Bad references, marking articles with a Prod/CSD, or fixing POV problems are other examples.


 * My rule of thumb is if one or more of the following are the only changes
 * Whitespace is changed
 * Template is renamed
 * Template is moved, skip most of the time. Having the TOC in the middle of the article is an example of not when to skip.
 * Referenced reordering. I don't think it is in MOS, even if it is the standard around here. That one sure riles people.


 * You can make manual changes with AWB. It is my preferred way of editing.  To me, it is like the Matrix code, I can see more than the regular article.  You can make bracket changes (look at my last 500 edits and you will see a ton), spelling corrections, grammar fixes or combining references.  None of these are cosmetic.


 * For summaries, my general one is "Do general fixes and cleanup."  If I'm doing a particular task over and over, such as fixing brackets, I'd say "Square bracket problem. Do general fixes and cleanup if needed."


 * If someone does bug you about it, take it to Magiolidits, my or AWB's talk page. Bgwhite (talk) 04:20, 19 June 2013 (UTC)


 * I'll try to work something out in that case; I thought that skipping all non-cosmetic fixes by definition imparted change to not be "trivial", but in order to address many problems I have to pass a bunch of lesser ones unless I reparse and skip endlessly. After 100 times of seeing that same page unaddressed even with a seemingly slight problem; the desire to just say "screw it; it makes less work for me and any other AWBer" has more weight than someone saying it may be "useless". I'm really not kidding about the parsing matter either; I think the Regex issue for the typo scan is because AWB skips many areas and I'd need an uncapped variant to fix many thousands as a result. That's another problem; but I don't know who to bring it to. I guess; I can find some middle ground on updating and fixing articles with the gen fixes matter; it is just really annoying to be judged as being "useless" when your so-called "useless" edit saves other editors time and effort in the future. I don't exactly like the "improve something with it or don't edit" aspect; but is their really no middle ground to be found? Going forward I'd be more apt to do this on non-GA/FA content or lengthy articles, but the "trivial" edit matter is vague and open to such interpretation that fixing the issues and making it easier on users comes secondary to "churning watchlists" which will occur with non-trivial changes anyways.
 * Oh, and I am tinkering with an idea which could really improve Wikipedia's stability of content; something which will make the watchlist issue easier as well. ChrisGualtieri (talk) 04:37, 19 June 2013 (UTC)


 * If you are about to some mass edits with a change the maybe controversial, you can always ask Magioladitis or me. Trivial edits are vague and open to interpretation for a reason.  What is trivial today may not be trivial tomorrow.  Also, there is no way to make a list of all trivial actions.  Middle ground has been found, unfortunately it's just not what you think middle ground should be.  I too experienced your same frustration when starting to use AWB, not to mention frustrations elsewhere.  For most things, I slowly accepted and moved on to where I could do some good. Bgwhite (talk) 17:30, 19 June 2013 (UTC)

Wikipedia talk:AutoWikiBrowser
I'm trying it your way, and now I'm getting my ass chewed out for that. The Transhumanist 22:22, 20 June 2013 (UTC)


 * The problem being is that you previously alienated The Potato Hose. I've never seen Potato show up on an AWB discussion before, so Potato is probably saying no only because you started the discussion.  There is no use having a discussion with Potato because they will always say no.  Unfortunately, this is a side effect of your slash and burn policy.  I'm staying out of the discussion as I don't want my previous interactions with you to be a conflict of interest type of scenario.  Bgwhite (talk) 22:54, 20 June 2013 (UTC)

Regex for #2
The regex I give is the cases fixed by AWB. We still don't fix. -- Magioladitis (talk) 06:15, 21 June 2013 (UTC)

Release build
I need you to do a release build in Visual Studio or SharpDevelop and send it to me by email. -- Magioladitis (talk) 07:32, 23 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Magioladitis Is this for you, for AWB's page or somebody else?  I'm running snotbot's code right now. Bgwhite (talk) 07:35, 23 June 2013 (UTC)
 * No rush. I am trying to make the new release but I experience problems in compiling. I need WikiFunctions.dll, Autowikibrowser.exe and AWBupdater.exe in release mode (not in debug mode). -- Magioladitis (talk) 07:37, 23 June 2013 (UTC)


 * Magioladitis Ok.  I've got changes to the code so it will compile under .Net 4.0.   I'll install .Net 2.0 and compile it under that.  My wife "orders" me to bed by 2am, but I'll stay up an extra an hour.  I'll have her vent her wrath towards you.  Bgwhite (talk) 07:42, 23 June 2013 (UTC)


 * If it's causes you problem please don't do it. I can wait. We need to be sure that is the code contains the latest commit and has no other changes. -- Magioladitis (talk) 07:45, 23 June 2013 (UTC)

I would like to see BG19bot exterminate 2-3 more errors. :) -- Magioladitis (talk) 07:46, 23 June 2013 (UTC)

Bgwhite, Meno25 sent me the files. I am now only missing Kingbotk AWB Plugin.dll which requires VS to compile. If anyone could help. -- Magioladitis (talk) 08:29, 23 June 2013 (UTC)

Meno25 does he compile with version 2.0? You also need the Interop.mshtml.dll file. Bgwhite (talk) 08:39, 23 June 2013 (UTC)

Burma infobox display error?
Maybe you can see what is hidden to some of us. In the Burma infobox we have displayed the flag and state seal. Usually I see the links to the articles under those flags and seals...see United States. But at the Burma article we can't get the words/links to appear under the flag and seal. Any answer as to why? Thanks. Fyunck(click) (talk) 07:46, 23 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Fyunck(click), it appears the file name of the flag and the article name has to be the same, no redirects. File of the flag has Myanmar while the article's name is Burma. Bgwhite (talk) 07:57, 23 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks, that helped solve it. It looks like it's based off the common name rather than the article name. Fyunck(click) (talk)

Tech news: 2013-26
Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please inform other users about these changes. Translations are available.


 * Recent software changes: (Not all changes will affect you.)
 * The latest version of MediaWiki (1.22wmf8) was added to test wikis and MediaWiki.org on June 20. It will be enabled on non–Wikipedia sites on June 24, and on all Wikipedias on June 27.
 * Universal Language Selector was successfully enabled on the Catalan (ca), Cebuano (ceb), Persian (fa), Finnish (fi), Norwegian Bokmål (no), Portuguese (pt), Ukrainian (uk), Vietnamese (vi), Waray-Waray (war) and Chinese (zh) Wikipedias.
 * The new interface for account creation and log–in is now the default on all Wikimedia wikis. The old look is no longer available (bug #46333).
 * The TimedMediaHandler extension now supports native FLAC files. A discussion to allow this file type is taking place on Commons (bug #49505).
 * After a test period, the Disambiguator extension was enabled on the English Wikipedia on June 18.
 * VisualEditor news:
 * A VisualEditor bug temporarily made all new accounts unusable. The issue is now fixed and account creation works as before (bug #49727).
 * A high importance file insertion bug has been fixed, but the feature does not work perfectly yet.
 * It is now possible to synchronise local CSS and JavaScript files with the beta cluster. This should make it easier to test software features before they are enabled on live wikis.


 * Future software changes:


 * The default link to a help page on editing, visible below the editing window, will change on almost 600 Wikimedia wikis and will now link to MediaWiki.org (bug #45977).
 * Universal Language Selector will be enabled on wikis without language versions (such as Wikisource and Wikispecies) on June 25.
 * The AbuseFilter extension will allow filtering links and HTML code for page creations.
 * The related changes special page will now include upload log entries.
 * It will soon be possible to choose the language of SVG files that contain translations.
 * MediaWiki will now allow converting audio files from one format to another.
 * The Wikidata technical team has started a discussion about how Wikidata can support Wiktionary.
 * The search feature on Wikimedia sites is planned to be modified to use Solr on all wikis by the end of 2013.

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A kitten for you...
...for helping me with my AWB-question.

(t) Josve05a  (c)  21:26, 24 June 2013 (UTC) 

Re: Speedy deletion nomination of Urban Tarzan
I agree the article needs work. (In fact, I said so here|.) But, instead of speedily deleting it, I recommend that you alter the text so as to make it no longer a copyright-infringement issue. After all, I did put a good hour into putting that page together. I look forward to seeing what the article looks like when you've finished altering the text in order to ensure that the article does not infringe upon any copyright laws. Message me when you've finished revising it, so that I might check it out. :) Cheers, allixpeeke (talk) 20:36, 17 June 2013 (UTC)


 * Everything in the article was copyright-infringement. The show's description, UrbanTarzan's description and episode descriptions.  The deleting admin thought the same way.  It would take me longer than an hour to fix it.  I do fix articles if a paragraph or two have problems, but not the entire article.  It is up to you to write copyright free material, not anybody else. Bgwhite (talk) 20:54, 17 June 2013 (UTC)


 * Not everything in the article constituted a copyright infringement. Only three of the four main paragraphs were lifted from the show's website, and all three included citations.  The first paragraph was entirely original, and even it included a citation, since it referenced a start date and time I found in an article.  If creating blockquotes for the lifted material is not enough of a temporary fix (until such a time as future editors further improve the article), a different temporary fix would have been to delete the offending paragraphs and blurbs entirely, leaving intact the episode numbers, the episode titles, the episode air dates, the article's introductory paragraph, the production company info, the executive producers list, the starring list, the created-by credit, the show's title, the genre, the original channel, the original run, the country of origin, the state in which the show takes place, the language, the number of seasons and of episodes, the external links list, and the categories list—none of which would have violated copyright laws.  Granted, the article would be a stub, but future editors could have improved that.  It would have only taken me about ninety seconds to remove all copyright infringement, leaving to future editors a stable skeleton upon which they could flesh out a good article.  I guess I'm just a little surprised that this "deleting admin" wanted to throw the baby out with the bathwater.  Alas, nothing I can do about it, now.  I'm on to other things.  Cheers, allixpeeke (talk) 17:48, 18 June 2013 (UTC)


 * It takes two people to do a Speedy delete. One editor to nominate (me) and an admin to agree with the nomination and delete it.  The first paragraph contained two short sentences.  Putting the stolen material into blockquotes is not an option.  There was too much content stolen to be under fair use laws.  Over 120 articles were deleted today because of copyright problems.  There is not enough time to fix every article.  The onus is on the creating author to not steal in the first place.  Bgwhite (talk) 04:44, 19 June 2013 (UTC)


 * I'm attempting to take a c'est la vie approach to the deletion. There's obviously nothing I can do about it now.  I hold no ill-will toward you or the "deleting admin."  All I'm saying is that it's too bad the article was deleted as speedily as it was, since one easy fix I could have provided "would have been to delete the offending paragraphs and blurbs entirely, leaving intact the episode numbers, the episode titles, the episode air dates, the article's introductory paragraph, the production company info, the executive producers list, the starring list, the created-by credit, the show's title, the genre, the original channel, the original run, the country of origin, the state in which the show takes place, the language, the number of seasons and of episodes, the external links list, and the categories list—none of which would have violated copyright laws."  It would have only taken me about ninety seconds to delete the three offending paragraphs and the ten offending episode blurbs, "leaving to future editors a stable skeleton upon which they could flesh out a good article."  All I'm saying is that, since it would've only taken me ninety seconds to delete what you referred to as the stolen content, it's too bad that the article was deleted before I had the opportunity to delete said content therefrom; but, c'est la vie.  Cheers, Allixpeeke (talk) 18:21, 27 June 2013 (UTC)

Bracket fix error
Look at this change and you will see an error. This is the result of the brackets starting in hidden text and ending outside. Not sure how you want to address this since it is not a common error. Vegaswikian (talk) 19:31, 28 June 2013 (UTC)

Hello, about Wernicke.
Thank you for your corrections. There are repeated references that did not work well and appear red. Please fix it. Luis — Preceding unsigned comment added by Luis cerni (talk • contribs) 15:26, 29 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Wernicke's encephalopathy with . GoingBatty (talk) 23:13, 29 June 2013 (UTC)

Morishill - Bracket bot, etc
Hello, I think you removed a comment of mine regarding Bracketbot. Sorry if I somehow came across as 'snarky' - I certainly didn't mean to. Confused and incompetent perhaps. I was asking for help - that's all. Rosser Gruffydd 10:38, 30 June 2013 (UTC)

8 not really done
,,. 8 needs to be done manually. -- Magioladitis (talk) 22:01, 23 June 2013 (UTC)

I fixed all page of the list. -- Magioladitis (talk) 22:43, 30 June 2013 (UTC)

One of them forced Snobot to bug and broke ref for good. -- Magioladitis (talk) 16:05, 26 June 2013 (UTC)

Tech news: 2013-27
Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please inform other users about these changes. Translations are available.


 * Recent software changes: (Not all changes will affect you.)


 * The latest version of MediaWiki (1.22/wmf9) was added to test wikis on June 27. It will be enabled on non–Wikipedia sites on July 8, and on all Wikipedias on July 11.
 * On Wikisource, the canonical names of the "Index" and "Page" namespaces in the Proofread Page extension are no longer localized (bug #47596). Please check scripts that depend on.
 * A JavaScript problem caused the "" and "" tabs in the Vector skin to be moved into the drop-down menu on right-to-left wikis. The issue is now fixed and links are visible as before (bug #50196).
 * There was a short site outage on June 28.
 * The automated Category: now includes broken file links inserted inside the  tag (bug #50119).
 * The Nearby feature is now enabled on Commons and shows images in a user's area.
 * There is now a special page listing disambiguation pages for wikis that use the Disambiguator extension (bug #44040).
 * The old version of the Article feedback tool (version 4) was removed from wikis that still used it.
 * VisualEditor news:
 * Many bugs that caused text to be removed or damaged have been fixed, including one related to copy-paste (bug #49816).
 * VisualEditor now offers a visual interface to edit references.
 * In preparation for enabling the VisualEditor on a wider scale, new documentation has been created, including a list of frequently-asked questions and a user guide with many images. Please help with translations.
 * Several problems related to overlapping of elements with the VisualEditor toolbar have been fixed (bug #50096, #50159, #50324).
 * TemplateData information is now displayed for templates that are added to a page (bug #49778).
 * Section edit links now show links to both VisualEditor and the old (source) editor (bug #49666).
 * Images are now loaded securely when using HTTPS (bug #43015).


 * Future software changes:
 * VisualEditor will be enabled for all logged-in English Wikipedia users on July 1, and for all users on July 8.
 * From July 8, it will be possible to upload WAV and native FLAC files to Commons, and use them directly on wiki pages (bug-49505>bugzilla:49505|bug #49505).
 * The Universal Language Selector will be added to the English Wikipedia on July 2, and to remaining wikis on July 9.


 * Erratum
 * Tech news #26 incorrectly reported that audio transcoding was added to TimedMediaHandler; it was actually statistics about audio transcoding that were added.

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WPCleaner
--NicoV (Talk on frwiki) 08:49, 3 July 2013 (UTC)

New AWB code
Greetings. I wanted to let you know I removed a chunk of code from the WikiProjects cleanup subpage. I don't think anyone was using it and it needs to be rewriting using the much safer RemoveTemplateParameter function. In the spirit of that, I have started building it. You can see the start here: User:KumiokoCleanStart/WikiProjectParametersCleanup. I still have a very very long way to go. As with the WikiProject Banner cleanup I expect this will take me a couple months to complete a little at a time. I am going to start with some of the is missing parameters and then I will build the =no logic. Please feel free to pitch in or offer advice. The code is pretty basic, as you know I don't claim to be the best programmer but it seems to work pretty well so far. Kumioko (talk) 20:15, 1 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Its me again. I still have a long way to go but here is what I have so far. Due to the complication and variance between projects I had to split up the code for each project individually, which is safer I think. I have a start on some logic to eliminate some of the empty parameters which can be expanded by adding more projects and now I need to work on some code for eliminating some parameters if =no. I should have that done this weekend. Please let me know if you have any suggestions or think of anything else you think would be useful. Kumioko (talk) 01:56, 4 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Ok, I got the =no logic started but I still need to figure out how to account for multiple variations (No, no, N and n). I also added logic for removing duplicate parameters. I also merged in the logic at Magioladitis/WikiProject. There is still a lot that can/needs to be done but this is an ok start I think to build on. I will keep developing it as we go. Please let me know if you see anything that needs to be fixed or added. Kumioko (talk) 16:36, 4 July 2013 (UTC)

DYK for To the Fourth of July
Gatoclass (talk) 16:02, 4 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Congratulations. Your country's independence (4 July 1776) was celebrated by someone of us in India (on 4 July 1898), who incidentally died on the same date (4 July 1902) and right after one hundred and eleven years an encyclopaedia of your country featured all these on their main page (4 July 2013). -- Tito ☸ Dutta 17:05, 4 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Excellent. Congrats!--Dwaipayan (talk) 17:11, 4 July 2013 (UTC)

Tech news: 2013-28
Latest technews>m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please inform other users about these changes. more-transl>m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2013/28|Translations are available.

Recent software changes (Not all changes will affect you.)


 * VisualEditor news:
 * VisualEditor deployment [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3AVisualEditor%2FFeedback&diff=563042612&oldid=563038914 has been delayed] by a week. It is now planned to enable the editor for logged–in editors on chosen Wikipedias on July 22, and on all Wikipedias on July 29.
 * A bug that made it impossible to save VisualEditor edits that triggered a CAPTCHA has been fixed.
 * Several bugs that occurred on right–to–left wikis have been fixed last week (bug #49416, bug #49613, bug #50543).
 * Uploading files has been restricted on Meta Wiki to administrators and the newly created uploader group. An exemption doctrine policy is being developed (bug #50287).
 * Emergency priority CentralNotice banners will always be shown unless users have hidden them, ignoring cookies set for lower priority banners.

Future software changes


 * MediaWiki will allow choosing a specific page of a PDF document or a thumbnail of a video file to show up inside the  tag (bug #8480).
 * It will now be possible to create empty  messages, for instance in order to disable them (bug #50124).
 * The Nearby feature will soon be enabled on Wikivoyage wikis again.
 * The Notifications extension messages will now include a direct link to diffs on wiki as well as in notification e-mails (bug #48183).
 * Table of contents will now use the HTML  element instead of , fixing a nine–year–old bug #658.
 * First mock–ups of a mobile Wikidata application have been published by Pragun Bhutani as part of his Google Summer of Code project.
 * A discussion on minimum documentation practices in MediaWiki code has been started and awaits comments from the community.

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Nomination of James Bates (sportscaster) for deletion
A nomination is taking place as to whether James Bates should be deleted or not. The discussion is held at the Articles for deletion/James Bates (sportscaster) and everyone is welcome to join in on the discussion. However do not remove the AfD notice on top. WisconsinBoyClevelandRocks228844 (talk) 20:50, 9 July 2013 (UTC)

About Sha-La-La-La-La
I think your bot made a mistake. It says it's fixing the section headings, but it unnecessarily transformed level 3 headings into level 2 ones. Raykyogrou0 ( Talk ) 01:55, 11 July 2013 (UTC)


 * Raykyogrou0, the bot did things correctly. Level 3 headers only come after level 2 headers per  ACCESSIBILITY#Headings.  One reason is for consistent style.  Other reason is screen readers for the blind. Bgwhite (talk) 04:09, 11 July 2013 (UTC)


 * Very well, I just thought it looked awkward because the "Release history" and "Chart performance" level 2 sections only apply to the first part of the article, while the third level 2 section "Vengaboys" has nothing to do with the first part.   Raykyogrou0  ( Talk ) 05:13, 11 July 2013 (UTC)

Are there guidelines on where reference notations go?
Hi, I was wondering why the notation for reference #9 in my article Hold Fast (album) was moved to after a comma (or rather why the comma was moved before the notation). It looks weird to me now. Are there guidelines in Wikipedia somewhere? Does Wikipedia follow a specific citation style?

I was also wondering about references in general because I've seen in some Wiki articles the notations appearing only at the end of the sentence, after the ending period, when the sentence might provide two different facts and one of the notations only refers to the first fact earlier in the sentence. I would prefer to put the notation directly after fact #1 so it's clear which fact goes with which reference, but if that's not the Wiki style, I'd appreciate clarification. Thank you. Mozandeffect (talk) 11:30, 11 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Mozandeffect you may ready WP:PAIC where it reads " The ref tags should immediately follow the text to which the footnote applies, including any punctuation (see exceptions below), with no intervening space" -- Magioladitis (talk) 11:32, 11 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks Magioladitis, it still looks really weird to me but I will use this style in the future. Thanks for linking me to the rules.  Maybe I should just write the text so that I can avoid the comma issue altogether like this, right? :) Mozandeffect (talk) 11:41, 11 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Of course. I am sure you can think of many ways to write the article in your style. Happy editing. -- Magioladitis (talk) 11:42, 11 July 2013 (UTC)

AWB and autoFormatter
To let you know: de:User talk:TMg/autoFormatter. And I found a typo in your regexes:  should be. --TMg 12:20, 28 June 2013 (UTC)

I have a question. See de:Benutzer Diskussion:TMg/autoFormatter. --TMg 22:22, 11 July 2013 (UTC)

Infobox was not working
Hi. This edit didn't seem to work - the infobox was not working. I've altered the formatting so it now seems ok. Perhaps you'd like to (a) see if my edits were kosher (as I know next-to-nothing about mobiles!), and/or (b) work out why your own edit seemed to leave a problem? Cheers, Trafford09 (talk) 15:17, 12 July 2013 (UTC)

Cite we parameters
At you changed the  parameter website to work. These two parameters are aliases, however website is preferred. See the documentation. I have reverted the edit.

—Trappist the monk (talk) 10:11, 13 July 2013 (UTC)


 * Trappist the monk.  doesn't say it is preferred.  It's an alias, which means this is a petty thing that doesn't require you telling anybody that you reverted... revert or don't revert.  However.....   (Yea, I didn't screw up for a change)  AWB did the change saying it was an invalid parameter.  Yobot (AWB based) just did the same thing on the article.  Looks like Magioladitis saw your message and made the change to fix it in AWB.  So, it was good your wrote.  Bgwhite (talk) 01:59, 14 July 2013 (UTC)

Tech News: 2013-29
Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please inform other users about these changes. Translations are available.

Recent software changes (Not all changes will affect you.)


 * The latest version of MediaWiki (1.22/wmf10) was added to test wikis on July 11. It will be enabled on non–Wikipedia sites on July 15, and on all Wikipedias on July 18.
 * The Disambiguator extension was enabled on all Wikimedia wikis on July 9 (bug #50174). To use it, add the  code to disambiguation templates ([//de.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=120414784&oldid=76564202 see example]).
 * The Universal Language Selector was added to all remaining wikis on July 9, finishing the process of replacing the Narayam and WebFonts extensions.
 * The CommonsDelinker bot is now on-line and operating again, after a password problem was fixed (bug #51016).
 * VisualEditor news:
 * According to the schedule, VisualEditor will be available to all users on the English Wikipedia on July 15.
 * Users should add TemplateData to templates to prepare for VisualEditor. A tutorial is available.
 * Parameters marked as "required" in TemplateData are now auto-added when you add a template (bug #50747).
 * Warnings are now displayed in VisualEditor when users edit pages that are protected or have edit notices (bug #50415).
 * Many other bugs have been fixed in VisualEditor during the past two weeks.
 * The Wikimedia technical report for June has been published, with a summary that can be translated.

Future software changes
 * A new version of the Single User Login system for global accounts will be enabled on July 17. Users will now automatically go back to the previous page instead of seeing the "Login success" page with logos.
 * The software that resizes images on all wikis will change on July 18. Resizing of big images will be faster and more reliable, and the resolution limit for GIF, PNG and TIFF files (currently set at 50 megapixels) will be removed.
 * Edit tags (mostly used by AbuseFilter) will now also be on diff pages. They include a link to Special:Tags before the edit summary. Wikis that use links in tag messages should remove them.
 * Global edit filters are currently in testing and will be added to wikis later.
 * Wikivoyage wikis will start to use Wikidata for interwiki links on July 22.
 * A new [//tools.wmflabs.org/bawolff/gallery/index.php?title=Featured_pictures/Non-photographic_media image gallery design] has been proposed by Brian Wolff; comments and feedback are welcome.
 * An IRC discussion about Bugzilla is planned for July 16, at 16:00 (UTC) on the IRC channel #wikimedia-office on Freenode (time conversion).

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You are full of riddles
You wrote that 6 is done and you marked 7 as undone. I think you meant to mark #6 as 7/2013. -- Magioladitis (talk) 06:49, 15 July 2013 (UTC)
 * It depends on if my brain is working or not. I'd like to blame it on being the middle of the night, but my brain has troubles no matter what. Bgwhite (talk) 07:33, 15 July 2013 (UTC)

Italics
In this revision you changed (I quote): Godbluffs album cover into: Godbluffs album cover. But that results in a sentence fully in bold typeface... (which is why I resorted to using the  -markup in the first place). Is there a good way to do this, which doesn't result in a bold paragraph? Groet, Mark in wiki (talk) 06:27, 11 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Mark in wiki, thank you for catching that. There is some template that will fix it, but I can never remember its name.  So, I use  notation.  I fixed the article with the nowiki tags. Bgwhite (talk) 16:39, 11 July 2013 (UTC)
 * I think you may be looking for '. I've updated the article to use this template instead.  GoingBatty (talk) 02:54, 16 July 2013 (UTC)