User talk:Bgwhite/Archive 17

19 needs improvement
. -- Magioladitis (talk) 18:30, 15 July 2013 (UTC)

And it seems it's not working for pages with math? I did this manually. -- Magioladitis (talk) 18:51, 15 July 2013 (UTC)


 * The snotbot program skips articles if there is a math tag as it can cause problems.


 * For 7, 17, 19, 25 and 83, it would be easier not to manually go thru them this time. Next time we use list comparer.  Any articles on this month's and next month's lists will have to be done manually.  This should save us time because those lists have relatively few articles to be done manually.  Bgwhite (talk) 19:29, 15 July 2013 (UTC)

Talk:List of Young Global Leaders
Would it be possible to do something  with  AWB that reverses the surname first vs first name in  the 2007 Business section, puts square brackets round them, preview, then rm  all  those that  are then redlinked? I can't  use AWB because it  is not  supported by  my  platform. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 02:50, 16 July 2013 (UTC)
 * - Think you're referring to the 2006 Business section of List of Young Global Leaders. There's probably a find & replace regex that could be written.  When you say "rm all those that are then redlinked", do you want to just remove the redlink and leave the plain text, or remove the person's name from the article if they don't have an article in Wikipedia?  GoingBatty (talk) 03:06, 16 July 2013 (UTC)


 * The redlink, on review mode, will  show which  ones don't  have Wiki  pages, they  can then be deleted. If  a script can reverse the name/surname order and enclose the result  in  th square brackets, I'll  do  the rest  manualy. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 03:17, 16 July 2013 (UTC)


 * Kudpung กุดผึ้ง. Done. It took 30 seconds to think up the regex, so it was no big deal.  I finished any stubborn ones off manually. Bgwhite (talk) 05:37, 16 July 2013 (UTC)


 * Thanks enormously for that. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 06:15, 16 July 2013 (UTC)

RFC
This is a neutral request for comments, regarding the status of WikiProject Actors and Filmmakers at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Film. Fortdj33 (talk) 18:50, 19 July 2013 (UTC)

Tech News: 2013-30
Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please inform other users about these changes. Translations are available.

Recent software changes (Not all changes will affect you.)


 * The latest version of MediaWiki (1.22/wmf11) was added to test wikis and MediaWiki.org on July 18. It will be enabled on non–Wikipedia sites on July 22, and on all Wikipedias on July 25.
 * A new version of the Flow Prototype can be tested on Wikimedia Labs.
 * VisualEditor news:
 * The schedule to add VisualEditor to non-English Wikipedias has been changed: the new editor will be available for logged-in users on the German (de), Spanish (es), French (fr), Hebrew (he), Italian (it), Dutch (nl), Polish (pl), Russian (ru) and Swedish (sv) Wikipedias on July 24, and for all users on those wikis on July 29.
 * A warning is now displayed if an edit made with VisualEditor matches an edit filter (bug #50472).
 * SpamBlacklist messages are also supported (bug #50826).
 * Users can now edit  blocks (bug #47678).
 * When a user types text at the end of a link, the link now expands to that text.
 * Freely-licensed fonts for the Cree, Inuktitut and Urdu languages were added to Universal Language Selector, fixing bug #42421 and bug #46693.
 * A Wikidata search plugin for the Firefox web browser was released by Jeroen De Dauw and can be downloaded from the Mozilla add-ons website.

Future software changes


 * The change of the Wikimedia image scaling system from ImageMagick to VipsScaler (announced in the previous issue) has been postponed until bug #51370 is fixed.
 * Administrators will no longer see an unblock link for autoblocked IP addresses on the contributions page (bug #46457).
 * A request for comments on site-wide CSS was started on MediaWiki.org.

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Ruby Red(album)
You removed the iTunes link in the external links section of Ruby Red(album), yet I've done it for most of the other albums I've created and it's never been removed.--Mjs1991 (talk) 07:21, 25 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Mjs1991 iTunes, Amazon and other sales sites are not to be used.  Wikipedia is not here to show where the reader can buy something.  This is called linkspam.  iTunes can be used if it is referencing something specific, such as release date.  There are so many articles and so few people checking on articles.  I arrived at Ruby Red because a syntax checking program said there was an error on the page, but there wasn't. Bgwhite (talk) 07:40, 25 July 2013 (UTC)

Checkwiki on Labs
Hi, great to see that someone is moving Checkwiki on Labs.

A few quick comments and suggestions : I will look at this more thoroughly when I can, but that's great news :-)
 * Could you also port checkwiki_bots.cgi (not only checkwiki.cgi) ? It's a version better suited for bots and tools than the UI: it's easier to parse, allows more things (especially for managing the articles that have been moved or deleted), and its probably faster on some operations (like marking a page fixed). I wrote a first version of the script, which SK put in production on the toolserver. The version currently deployed has a bug, I fixed in on github, but never managed to get SK to deploy it. WPCleaner uses this for its interaction with the toolserver.
 * I asked a long time ago if Checkwiki could use more configuration in the translation file (a proposal on the same kind of things), so that each wiki is free to adapt rather than having to modify the checkwiki scripts (for example, the list of templates that can replace a  should be configurable by each wiki without asking the developers). See for example, the list of extra parameters that WPCleaner can handle in the translation file.
 * A bunch of additional errors.
 * Managing a whitelist, see whitelistpage.

--NicoV (Talk on frwiki) 09:08, 27 July 2013 (UTC)


 * I've moved over your suggestions to the discussion page so I can keep track of everything.


 * Didn't know who used checkwiki_bots.cgi as AWB uses checkwiki.cgi. Having it running before the new checkwiki goes "live" is a must do.


 * I agree with your other suggestions. I've thought about a whitelist/blacklist for each wiki, but didn't know how I'd do that.  Looks like you know how, so I'll be bugging you on that.Bgwhite (talk) 17:21, 27 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Ok, I will post on the discussion page from now on. I'd be happy to help by answering questions :-) --NicoV (Talk on frwiki) 17:31, 27 July 2013 (UTC)

Tech News: 2013-31
Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please inform other users about these changes; not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.
 * The latest version of MediaWiki (1.22/wmf12) was added to test wikis and MediaWiki.org on July 25. It will be enabled on non–Wikipedia sites on July 29, and on all Wikipedias on August 1.
 * Wikivoyage was offline for around 40 minutes on July 24.
 * Pywikipediabot moved their code from SVN to git; bot owners need to update their tools.
 * The Notifications and Thanks extensions were added to Meta-Wiki on July 26; other wikis will get them soon.
 * It is now possible to add edit summaries on Wikidata using the API; the feature will be added to user interface soon.
 * The software that resizes large PNG images on all wikis was changed on July 25. Resizing of PNG files bigger than 35 megapixels should be faster and more reliable now.
 * Three new webfonts (Gentium, Old Persian and Shapour) will be added to Universal Language Selector., ,
 * Special:MIMESearch, which gives a list of files by type, will be enabled on all Wikimedia wikis with MediaWiki version 1.22/wmf12 (bug #13438).
 * A mailing list to discuss multimedia features was started; users are encouraged to sign up.
 * VisualEditor news:
 * On July 24, VisualEditor was added for logged-in users on the German (de), Spanish (es), French (fr), Hebrew (he), Italian (it), Polish (pl), Russian (ru) and Swedish (sv) Wikipedias; it will be added for all users on those wikis on July 29.
 * A preference to completely disable VisualEditor while it is in beta phase was added on July 24.
 * Many bugs were fixed in right-to-left languages.
 * It is possible again to scroll down in the template editing window (bug #51739).
 * VisualEditor now works with the FlaggedRevisions extension. (bug #49699)
 * If the user opens VisualEditor using a section edit link, the title of the section is added to the edit summary (bug #50872).
 * Invisible templates now can't be deleted by accident or on purpose (bug #51322).

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cswiki
Hi! Thank you and those other workers for new Checkwiki. Since the project is very important for cswiki (or at least for me), you can also notificate me, G3ron1mo and Frettie about anything around the project in the future at cswiki. (I have been watching changes since they started. Came from holidays and saw changes... Wow!) In the future, we can also help with Checkwiki (at least hint you or disscus). Thank you again. Matt S. (talk | cont. | cs) 13:09, 29 July 2013 (UTC)

Request
Hello, I see you're an administrator. Would it be all right for me to be granted Rollback? I know I haven't been here long but I see from its explanation and instances where used that it is far better for dealing with examples such as this. I know not to use it against someone with whom you disagree or for anything other than outright vandalism. Cheers. The Big Hoof! (talk) 17:13, 31 July 2013 (UTC)
 * The Big Hoof!: You will have to apply at Requests_for_permissions/Rollback. I'm not familiar with the admin guidelines of granting or not granting rollback rights.
 * You don't need rollback for the example you gave as you can "undo" the edit. Also, rollback can only be used on the most edits to a page where a user has made two or more edits in a row. Bgwhite (talk) 17:24, 31 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Aha, got your drift. Thanks for the link, I'll give it some thought. Cheers Bgwhite. The Big Hoof! (talk) 18:06, 31 July 2013 (UTC)

Possible bot malfunction
Hi there. This bot operation,diff, seems to be needless and the bot justified it with an edit summary that does not ring true. --Mareklug talk 12:22, 1 August 2013 (UTC)
 * The first part of the edit summary says "WP:CHECKWIKI error fix for #61. Punctuation goes before References". Per the MOS guideline, WP:REFPUNC, references go after punctuation.  A period was moved from after a tag to before it.
 * Second part of summary says, "Do general fixes if a problem exists." References go in order in which they appear in the article, therefore the swapping of "  "  Edit summary does exactly what was edit and was done per MOS guidelines. Bgwhite (talk) 15:32, 1 August 2013 (UTC)

Please be more careful
Numerous time in the last few months you have made ill-considered edits to articles I have an eye on. . In one case you made the same format-scrambling edit twice, despite my intervening reversion and despite a comment embedded in the article source warning that the formatting is tricky. In another you inserted , whereas today (apparently having changed you mind) you've been going around removing it. Please take the time to preview changes and, where appropriate, compare the results to the previous version. If that means slowing down, so be it. EEng (talk) 04:13, 13 July 2013 (UTC)


 * Thanks for bringing up errors from 8 months ago and thanks for being snarky.  Haven't a clue by your meaning "whereas today (apparently having changed you mind) you've been going around removing it".  Why don't you follow guidelines, then people wouldn't have to fix/mess your stuff.   Per WP:FONTFAMILY, you are not allowed to change fonts.  Font size is not supposed to go below 87% (size of the ).  This is for accessibility reasons.  Poems are not to be italicized. Poem titles are, but not the poem.  The reason I keep visiting your article is  tags are not to be used.  You are supposed to use Wikimarkup. Bgwhite (talk) 04:59, 13 July 2013 (UTC)


 * Very persuasive arguments by Bgwhite. -- Tito ☸ Dutta 07:27, 13 July 2013 (UTC)
 * They're very persuasive if you don't actually look at the edits at issue, or think about the difference between people who carefully judge what improves an article, and someone who blindly run around with some mindless automated script enforcing general guidelines as if they were rigid requirements. And where is it stated -- as a requirement (not "best to avoid") -- that < i > should not be used? EEng (talk) 14:50, 30 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Having received no response I am forced to the conclusion that you don't even know the basis of the silly "rules" you imagine you are improving Wikipedia by enforcing. Stop mass-changing articles using blunt tools you don't understand. EEng (talk) 03:16, 6 August 2013 (UTC)
 * EEng Or maybe I've haven't been around much and didn't notice you left a message. Somebody left another message right after you.  Oh look, it took 17 days for you to respond to me... Guess I don't get the same common courtesy.
 * You are now down to making threats and rude comments, you don't really care do you? Just as long as you make a point.
 * If you would have actually read an edit summary, you would have had your answer. Wikimarkup should only be used where possible.  Not everybody knows html.  We are supposed to be nice to beginners.  Sometimes wikimarkup cannot be used, such as  tags (which it ought to have had already), so hopefully WP:CHECKWIKI won't try to convert them again, but since I don't use that tool, I'm not sure if it'll pick up on that distinction.

—me_and 10:15, 20 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Using code tags will do. -- Magioladitis (talk) 12:26, 20 August 2013 (UTC)

Use of
Hi, can you help me to understand the reasoning behind ? I've already shared my thoughts about vs. in the above section entitled use of &lt;br&gt;, so here I'm hoping to understand why was replaced by the actual page name? ensures that in the event of a page move to a new name, the direct link will continue to work without a redirect (which I think might argue towards use of instead). Thoughts? — Groll &tau;ech  ( talk ) 19:16, 20 August 2013 (UTC)
 * That was my mistake. I was trying mightily to us a regular template, such as expand list for it and also to use plainlinks.  I was going to come back later today and get more frustrated by forcing the template.  I thought I had undone it the edit.  My mistake.  I tried some more and I'm more frustrated, so I've restored it. Bgwhite (talk) 20:35, 20 August 2013 (UTC)
 * No problem, thanks for that! I kept trying to think of esoteric reasons, like "expensive parser functions" (it's not) and so on, but was drawing a blank.  Thanks again!  Now, of course, I've got myself pondering whether  is in fact preferable.  I keep needing to remind myself that I have more important things to do, LOL!  — Groll &tau;ech  ( talk ) 21:19, 20 August 2013 (UTC)

Carrière des Nerviens Regional Nature Reserve
Hello, Thanks a lot for your corrections. Cordially. Christian COGNEAUX (talk) 09:13, 21 August 2013 (UTC)

use of &lt;br&gt;
Thanks for having a look at List of Scheduled Monuments in Swansea. Contributions and interest are much appreciated. However I notice you changed all the tags to. As I understand it, the latter is now deprecated (although still seems to work). Certainly Help:List says to use , so I have converted them back. Please say if I have got that wrong, and I will sort it out. Thanks, RobinLeicester (talk) 13:59, 1 August 2013 (UTC) was the mandatory format. HTML5 has as the default format with as optional. Bgwhite (talk) 15:43, 1 August 2013 (UTC)
 * I arrived at the page due to a broken wikilink... ]] was missing from " [[Parc Cwm long cairn#Llethryd Tooth Cave|Llethrid Tooth Cave".
 * That help page is horrendous and is mentioning some out of date stuff. Wikimedia software recently dropped support for XHTML and is now HTML5 only.  In XHTML, a
 * Useful info - it is very hard to keep track. The shorter one is also more intuitive. I will switch it back. RobinLeicester (talk) 23:42, 1 August 2013 (UTC)


 * At the end of the day, the key takeaway from the HTML5 spec is that while XHTML mandated, HTML5 makes it optional, such that , or  are all valid.  That does not, therefore, mean that we should change all occurrences to .  I further submit to you that some of Wikimedia's own tools cannot tolerate  – most notably Dot's Syntax Highlighter gadget, which fails miserably without the ending "/".  — Groll &tau;ech  ( talk )
 * So, because someone's not official gadget doesn't support standards, we don't have to either? Sorry, but Dot needs to change their gadget, not the other way around.  There are a ton of articles with .   was made optional instead of depreciated for one reason, XHTML.  They wanted to give time for people to migrate from XHTML.  and then  will be depreciated.  There is talk of having Wikipedia's Tidy to convert  to someone's not official gadget, but with the way WMF works, who knows... They will have to have a fundraising drive to make a visual br editor.
 * I'm not sure I'd characterize it as "someone's not official gadget", since it was either created by, or has been adopted by, the WMF – as is evidenced by the Mediawiki link provided above. Further, the option has been installed at least on the English Wikipedia and is offered as a gadget on every user's Preferences page. Further still, setting aside the WMF's toolset, I would agree with you if  was in fact a standard. At present, it is not a standard – it is a default.  While the writing may indeed be on the wall for, IMHO it would be presumptive to enforce  at this juncture. I tried looking briefly, but didn't find a discussion about Wikipedia Tidy... if you know where those might be lurking, I'd happily say the same there.   — Groll &tau;ech  ( talk ) 23:41, 20 August 2013 (UTC)
 * So I take it you plan to ignore me, and just plunge forward, changing every occurrence you find, without regard to a logical argument put before you? — Groll &tau;ech  ( talk ) 23:39, 21 August 2013 (UTC)
 * I have no desire to talk to anyone who has a hissy fit if I don't respond right back within 24-hours. I haven't been on-line for the past 19 hours.  Some people are actually busy and/or forget conversations that aren't at the end of the talk page.  I haven't responded to the 2nd to last message either.  Why are you even bothering with this with my logical argument put before you?
 * If you are going to continue having a hissy fit, then leave. Otherwise...
 * You have brought *no* reason why every br tag on Wikipedia has to be .  *is* the standard for HTML5.   is optional. Here is the latest draft with no mention of .  In fact, you can't get to where it says the optional arguments from that section.  Same goes for whatwg's living document.  It used to be you could get to the optional tag from the sections.  They are deemphasizing it for a reason.
 * But this doesn't mention Wikipedia.  tags are just as valid as .  You can't tell anyone to stop using either one or changing either one.  I only change them when I'm at the page to edit something else.  I'm not going around and just changing the br tag. Bgwhite (talk) 04:21, 22 August 2013 (UTC)

False positive of CHECKWIKI
I have partially reverted an edit by BG19bot which simply ignored ] HTML5 tag to say where a word can be cut. (52468)
 * Gadget authors: you can now use the  hook, so that your scripts are re-run when a page is changed after the   event (for example using Ajax). (30713)

Problems fixed
 * There was a bug where file redirects didn't work when a file was renamed; it is now fixed. There is still an issue with purging, but it should be fixed soon. (52200)
 * Special:SpecialPages provided by special pages will now all be updated on each wiki every six months. This will for example give you recent information on uncategorized pages, unused templates and most wanted pages (see details).
 * There was a bug that caused false positives for anti-blanking edit filters; it is now fixed. (52077)

VisualEditor news
 * The "edit" and "edit source" tabs and section edit links can now be changed more easily; for example, some wikis are using "edit source" for wikitext editing, and "edit beta" for VisualEditor. You can ask for the same change in bugzilla.
 * You can now edit references that are added inside a  block. (51741)
 * You can now test on mediawiki.org new basic tools to add and edit struck text (with the VisualEditor - Icon - Strikethrough-a.svg button for the  tag), lower text (VisualEditor - Icon - Subscript.svg for  ), upper text (VisualEditor - Icon - Superscript.svg for  ), underlined text (VisualEditor - Icon - Underline-a.svg for  ), computer code (VisualEditor - Icon - Code.svg for   and  ), math text (VisualEditor - Icon - Equation.svg for  ), Egyptian hieroglyphs (VisualEditor - Icon - Hieroglyphics.svg for  ), and to say that text is in another language (VisualEditor - Icon - Language.svg for  ). (51609, 51612, 51611, 51590, 51610, 52352)
 * You can now use VisualEditor with the Opera browser.

Future
 * Starting on August 26, you will be able to use data from Wikidata on Wikivoyage sites.
 * Starting on August 27, you will also get notifications on the mobile site if you're logged in to a wiki using notifications.
 * Starting on August 28, all users with an account will be using HTTPS to access Wikimedia sites. HTTPS brings better security and improves your privacy. Some countries (like China) will not use HTTPS. If HTTPS causes problems for you, tell us on meta.
 * Starting on August 29, you will get the code editor interface to edit JavaScript and CSS pages on all wikis.
 * The plan to use Solr for search in MediaWiki was changed; instead, Elasticsearch is now planned.

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Wiki Community Help
There are a number of people, one of whom has vandalized the Stalking page, as of th 24th, -removing perfectly referenced, material, which was in use on another page word-for word

This material was maliciously vandalized, removed - on the 24th of August, please check the log

- We need some help ~please Dynomitedetails (talk) 23:07, 25 August 2013 (UTC)

Re: bracket problem
The square brackets you keep removing from the articles I edited represent philological indicators where text is reconstructed rather than directly translated. They are not typing errors. By removing them, you are degrading the text. Please could you reverse your edits so that the reconstructed portions can be identified? The convention is widely used in Assyriology and is described in, for example, Huehnergard's "Grammar of Akkadian", although it is a convention also generally followed in the transliteration and translation of all cuneiform languages. BigEars42 (talk) 00:45, 27 August 2013 (UTC)
 * I fix over 5,000 pages a month that have bracket problems. You are going to need to be more specific.  What pages are you talking about?  I can figure out math, chemistry and Egyptology articles that have need for special brackets, but I'm not familiar with Assyriology.  Bgwhite (talk) 00:51, 27 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Eriba-Adad II was one, which I think I've successfully reverted, but I think you degraded others. I suggest you check the source of the "quote" before removing parts of it in the future. A quick glance of the source would have shown all the square brackets exactly in place as reproduced in the article. I have 293 articles edited and I need to go through them to see which you edited. BigEars42 (talk) 00:58, 27 August 2013 (UTC)
 * . I can't check the source of the quote with the tools I'm using.  A program is constantly running that spots bracket problems.  So the articles will show up on the list again, thus others and I will probably mess up again.  Give me another message when I do, so I can learn spot the Assyrilogy article's non-problem with brackets.  A white-list ability for the program will be added in the next few months to permanently stop my screwing up in this case.  Bgwhite (talk) 05:22, 27 August 2013 (UTC)