User talk:Bgwhite/Archive 32

Rhododendron Comment
I am at a total losss to understand all the changes you just made to Rhododendron. I am intensly suspicious of AWB which has wrecked many articles I have worked on. I took the liberty of reverting while I investigate each edit to determine its validity. For a start - why change so many references without providing justification? --Michael Goodyear (talk) 00:11, 8 July 2014 (UTC)
 * I arrived there because of a template programming variable found in the article. That is supposed to be the justification of the edit summary per long drawn out talk messages.  There were two identical references that were combined into one.  This was clearly obvious.  This is part of the genfixes section of the edit summary.   I routinely visit your articles because there are problems.  Missing brackets and missing/double small tags are usually the main reasons.  I fix articles that have been borked, nobody every thinks I can make a mistake too, therefore I get yelled at.  Bgwhite (talk) 00:18, 8 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Thank you for drawing my attention to this - I would have discovered this in due course since I am in the process of consolidating all citations in the Reference section as part of preparing the page for GA. Actually it is a good deal more complicated than that, yes I can see that there were two references, 2 and 35 that were identical, introduced by different editors. However replacing all Brown with Craven did not fix the problem because there is actually a reference to Brown 2006 - I think the reference name got mixed up somewhere, so I shall have to check each mention of each citation throughout the text. Now explain to me what you understand by the term template variable, a new concept to me, since you say it should be self explanatory. --Michael Goodyear (talk) 03:38, 8 July 2014 (UTC)
 * , it is always fun when cleaning up an article. Sorry, I didn't mean the template variable was obvious, it was the refs.  The template variable in the article was,  .  If the piece of code was in a template, it would mean variable width equals 400 (width=400).  In an article, it just means 400.  Very few people know about this and it can confuse editors, so I try to remove it.  Your name is a dyslexia delight.  I keep seeing moodyear.  Congrats on getting the article to GA.  That isn't an easy accomplishment.  Bgwhite (talk) 05:07, 8 July 2014 (UTC)

Your recent deletions on a film page
Hello! Thank you for your guidance on my recent edits. I had some questions regarding the deletions made by you on the Zinda_Bhaag page. The last time you deleted information (all cited with sources) about the poster, the project under which the film was conceived and the review section. The review segment was written in paragraph form with few direct quotes (all cited). The reason given by you was that the writing style was too 'POV'. Therefore I changed it and only gave direct quotes from the reviews with author names and cited sources and it was deleted again and your edit summary said that 'only positive reviews' cannot be provided. My request is to not delete but enhance the page with negative reviews or whatever other information you would like to add to it. Since all sources are cited it would easy enough for you to access all the reviews and add any material that you feel makes the review section more objective. This would also be in keeping with the wikipedia protocol, again quoted from here: WP:Dispute resolution

"Follow the normal protocol When you find a passage in an article that is biased or inaccurate, improve it if you can; don't delete salvageable text. For example, if an article appears biased, add balancing material or make the wording more neutral. Include citations for any material you add. If you do not know how to fix a problem, ask for help on the talk page."

I will try and rework the 'reviews' section again but would request you to 'edit' BUT not delete as I'm citing my sources for every thing I'm putting into the page. Thank you Kokokarina (talk) 12:26, 6 July 2014 (UTC)


 * , you had 16 reviews listed and all were positive. You have *never* listed a negative review. No widely released film in history has ever received 100% positive reviews. No film has ever been perfect and when a critic likes the film, there are also parts they do not like.  Wikipedia is about being neutral, not all one-sided.  You also listed only partial sentences and even listed only one word, "hit" as the entire review.  This give absolutely no context.  The sentence might be, "This film is not a hit".  One word reviews are for movie posters, not Wikipedia.  Therefore, nothing was salvageable.  It is not my job to do your job.  You job is to add a neutral point of view.  Also, reviews are rarely listed as a list.  Paragraphs are recommend.  Bgwhite (talk) 22:26, 6 July 2014 (UTC)

The previous review section was written in a paragraph form which was also deleted by you on 2nd July. That text was definitely salvageable. It was in response to your comment about POV' that I quoted direct phrases from the reviews. More importantly, in that deletion a whole lot of other sections of the page including the one on the poster, production company, the south asia masculinity project- all that information was lost. There was no justification provided on your part for deleting those segments- which were purely informational and cited sources. If you are an editor its definitely your 'job' to 'edit' and not press a button and undo everything. I think wikipedia is quite clear about how editors are meant to deal with neutrality and we should just follow that protocol. If you didn't care to make edits or add 'balancing' material then you should have left me a message and I would have responded likewise. If that is also something you cannot do you must at least be more discerning when deleting material. Having said that I'm going to incorporate negative segments from reviews as per your suggestion in the future.Kokokarina (talk) 08:52, 7 July 2014 (UTC)


 * Edit summary was: "Edits were so overly POV that it was sickening to read." Everything removed was POV.  You have also added copyrighted material... aka copied and pasted.  You can argue all you want.  But these edits have been removed multiple times by multiple people.  You are also reverting multiple editors without reason or stating why on talk pages.  As you are doing the exact same edits as previous blocked editors, either you are the same person who was blocked or this serves as a warning that you can be blocked for the same reasons.


 * As you have reverted to a version that was clearly labeled for copyright reasons, I have reverted to the last good version, the version with no copyrighted material and no POV. I have also initiated a WP:SPI investigation as you are doing the exact same edits as previous blocked users.    Any more copyrighted material added will be removed and will result in a block per WP:COPYVIO.  Any POV material previous deleted but added again will be removed.  It is your job not to add POV or copyrighted material.  Bgwhite (talk) 09:18, 7 July 2014 (UTC)

But how is the information like this copyrighted material- or POV? These are simple facts and sources have been cited but they have been deleted by you again. Could you please explain your position. I'm providing some examples of what has been deleted by you and if you could please explain how any of it is copyrighted material.

Segment on Awards: "Zinda Bhaag was Pakistan’s official entry to the 86th Academy Awards, Foreign Film Category. With Zinda Bhaag, Pakistan made an entry to the Oscars after a gap of more than fifty years. While the film reached the ‘long list’ of the foreign film category, it failed to make the final short list of nominees.(More than one citation provided)The film won four awards for best film, best music and two awards for the acting category at the International South Asian Film Festival in Canada. It also won an award at the Jaipur International Film Festival(Again two sources provided).Recently, the film won five awards at ARY Film Awards, including 'Best Film (Jury), Best Actress (Jury), Best Story, Best Background Score and Best Playback Male Singer for Rahat Fateh Ali Khan (Again citation/source provided)." THIS WAS DELETED.

Segment on Theatrical release: "First look of Zinda Bhaag's trailer was unveiled on 18 June 2013.(Reference provided) This film was earlier set to release in Pakistan on the 6th of September but due to a backlog of unreleased films, the release of ‘Zinda Bhaag’ was postponed to 20 September 2013.(2 references provided) 'Zinda Bhaag' has been released in 11 states of US as well on 18 October 2013.(Reference provided). The film was theatrically released in the UAE on 16 January 2014 (Reference provided)." THIS WAS DELETED TOO

I could provide more examples but I think that would be unnecessary.

Also despite my initiating a discussion with you here to understand your position - rather than explain anything to me you are effectively threatening to 'block' me? I'm trying to understand why you need to undo complete pages rather than the particular material that you find problematic? I think it would be better if you explained to me why and which material is 'copyrighted'. If there is indeed anything that you feel is copyrighted why don't you just remove/delete that portion- what is is the reason that you undo all the work in one go? What is most unfortunate is that you have reverted to a version which is severely dated (for instance the information on release) and with several factual errors (like the wrong names and credits) and dated citation of sources. Thank you Kokokarina (talk) 12:12, 7 July 2014 (UTC)


 * There were 13-15 paragraphs deleted with the majority a Copyvio. If you don't think some material is not a Copyvio, then add it back in.  All you copyright violation additions makes it hard to see the wheat for the chaff.
 * Example of copyright: The paragraph, "The journey that unfolds through the story of this film gives us a peep into what constitutes the everyday in the lives of many young men and women in Pakistan ...."  is copied word for word from,  and other spots.
 * Alot of paragraph consist of quotes, attributed and not attributed. "Lohar and Jawwad have sung a song on love and death while Bagga has contributed his vocals to two tracks, an upbeat dance-bhangra number and a romantic ballad." is copied directly from the ref, but is not attributed.  We are supposed to use are own words with occasional quotes, not 1/2 that article made up of quotes.
 * I was not threatening you with a block. Just stating that the exact same edits you are making got  other editors blocked.  Bgwhite (talk) 20:09, 7 July 2014 (UTC)

Firstly, thank you for taking the time out to explain this to me.

You will notice from the history of the page that both the examples quoted by you have not been added by me but by some other editors (See 6th June 2014 edit by another editor). Anyhow I got your point about 'objectivity' and 'balance' for the paragraph that was added by me and will follow that in future edits. Kokokarina (talk) 14:11, 8 July 2014 (UTC)

User:DandYansUrbAdventure
I've tried to work with this user, but it appears they have no intention of working with others, once the personal attacks started I'm not entirely sure where to go. ♥ Solarra ♥ ♪ 話 ♪  ߷  ♀ 投稿 ♀  08:56, 8 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Yup, I would have to agree. If they don't want to listen, then there isn't much anybody can do.  Bgwhite (talk) 17:36, 8 July 2014 (UTC)

Tribute
Not sure who, but someone had paid tribute to your bot(BG19bot).  Occult Zone (Talk • Contributions • Log) 17:52, 8 July 2014 (UTC)
 * , probably the same someone who keeps trying to change the bot's password. Just lovely, I have my own personal stalker.  Bgwhite (talk) 18:05, 8 July 2014 (UTC)

SubContrabass Saxophone page
I have being keep the Subcontrabass Saxophone page up-to-date with the latest information dealing with Subcontrabass Saxophones. I actually own a real Subcontrabass Saxophone and want the correct information out there. Unfortunately, for some reason, you think my changes are promotional and have undid my changes twice. I don't sell these instruments, I just own one and it is the very first real full-sized subcontrabass saxophone ever built. I also mention the other manufacturer of subcontrabass saxophones. If you think something I posted is promotional, please let me know what and why you think it is promotional. Thank you very much for your time. TAWhite (talk) 20:53, 8 July 2014 (UTC)
 * As the edit summary stated, there can be no link from any article to userspace. You are putting a link in the article to your user page.  This is never allowed.  Per  WP:UPYES, "... encyclopedia articles should never link to or transclude any userspace pages." (emphasis not mine).
 * You are adding a photo of yourself into the article.
 * You are inserting yourself with the statement, "In September 2012, instrument manufacturer Benedikt Eppelsheim of Munich, Germany completed building the first full-size subcontrabass saxophone for Todd A. White.".  See WP:COS
 * Your user page was completely promotional and you linked to it.
 * Remove yourself from the article. The article is not about you.  Keep the photo as showing the size of that HUGE thing is relevant, just don't mention you.  Bgwhite (talk) 21:33, 8 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Remove yourself from the article. The article is not about you.  Keep the photo as showing the size of that HUGE thing is relevant, just don't mention you.  Bgwhite (talk) 21:33, 8 July 2014 (UTC)

Thank You
Thanks for fixing the LA City Controller template - new to Wikipedia and didn't know the best way to do it! — Preceding unsigned comment added by WikiLAGuy (talk • contribs) 05:48, 9 July 2014 (UTC)
 * , thank you for the kind words. If you ever have questions, don't hesitate to ask me.  Bgwhite (talk) 17:58, 9 July 2014 (UTC)

DEK
I don't understand your latest edit in DEK: I already got that rather instead of my &lt;references /> shall be used. But what's the point about mixing reference-definitions with the body. I like to define them at the bottom and then just write a reference by name. Is that discouraged? Can you point me where's a guideline for this? I'm just starting to edit some more often in the English WP. -- Kays (talk) 13:37, 9 July 2014 (UTC)
 * , your code is not doing what you think it is doing. Of course, according to the wife, I never know what I'm doing.  Your code had two opening ref tags and no closing tags.  I've updated the article to do a list-defined refs system correctly. Bgwhite (talk) 18:15, 9 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Oh, dammin', you're right: I re-viewed one of my versions and indeed I've missed closing one ref-tag. I didn't see that in your diffs. -- Kays (talk) 18:47, 9 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Dang, I need to show my wife that I was indeed right for a change. Don't worry, it won't happen again for a long time.  Bgwhite (talk) 20:39, 9 July 2014 (UTC)

Bot misinterpreted braces
Please see this mistaken edit by your bot. The braces are there to indicate sets. They should not be removed. JRSpriggs (talk) 03:00, 8 July 2014 (UTC)
 * JRSpriggs you trick adding spaces works though. Thanks, Magioladitis (talk) 14:16, 8 July 2014 (UTC)
 * . Oops. I'm sorry about that.  I did add it to the whitelist, so this won't happen again.  But, it looks like I added it after the bot arrived while checking it manually as it was still reporting an error. Bgwhite (talk) 17:25, 8 July 2014 (UTC)
 * To Bgwhite: Thank you for adding it to your white list.
 * To Magioladitis: The editor who put in the text about sets was not satisfied with my "fix", so he took out the blanks and wrapped "&lt;nowiki>" around it instead. I hope that works with any other bots which might be tempted to make the same deletion as BG19bot did. JRSpriggs (talk) 08:38, 10 July 2014 (UTC)

ANI Notice
There is currently a discussion at Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. You are being put on notice for extreme rudness, trolling, name calling for my attempt to work with you on Disney_Channels_Worldwide. Spshu (talk) 22:09, 10 July 2014 (UTC)

Sleeping with Other People
Please take a look at User:Captain Assassin!/sandbox1 and move it to Sleeping with Other People - Thanks. -- Captain Assassin! «T ♦ C ♦ G» 14:47, 10 July 2014 (UTC)
 * , could you add something about the plot first. Bgwhite (talk) 19:15, 10 July 2014 (UTC)
 * ✅. -- Captain Assassin! «T ♦ C ♦ G» 01:55, 11 July 2014 (UTC)
 * , I just noticed it didn't have categories. Could you add whatever cats would be appropriate. Bgwhite (talk) 04:10, 11 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Yes, I would, as I always add categories after you moved them, thanks. -- Captain Assassin! «T ♦ C ♦ G» 05:10, 11 July 2014 (UTC)

The Whole Truth (2015 film)
Please take a look at User:Captain Assassin!/sandbox1 and move it to The Whole Truth (2015 film) - Thanks. -- Captain Assassin! «T ♦ C ♦ G» 17:52, 11 July 2014 (UTC)

Peoria article
I saw the reversed an edit on the Peoria article that reflected the "future" opening of the The Block in 2012. The future tense didn't make any sense for a project that that has been open for two years. Can you tell me why you did that? Dbroer (talk) 12:07, 11 July 2014 (UTC)
 * , I reverted the edit because the IP editor added their signature to the article. Bgwhite (talk) 17:53, 11 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the reply. I see that but wouldn't it make sense to remove that rather than the factually correct other parts of the edit?  Usually when someone makes a positive contribution to an article and there is a small spelling, grammatical or improper wiki code I'll fix that rather than just undo the whole edit.  Given that, will you undo my edit if I change the verbiage again back to what they put?  There was nothing factually incorrect about it.  Dbroer (talk) 18:58, 11 July 2014 (UTC)

Informal note
Hey, I notice that you have HighBeam access and you seem to have a few topicons. That being said, if you are interested, I've created. No reply to this message is necessary (and I won't see it unless you ping me), just wanted to let you know it was available. Happy editing! — &#123;&#123;U&#124;Technical 13&#125;&#125; (e • t • c) 00:14, 12 July 2014 (UTC)

Special:Contributions/86.166.179.92
He did edit warring for Clarity (Zedd song). It was User:ChrisHamburg's IP address. Can you create SPI for Chrishamburg? 183.171.172.90 (talk) 05:11, 11 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Oh yeah, both IP and user has same edits on Blue (Da Ba Dee). 183.171.172.90 (talk) 05:16, 11 July 2014 (UTC)


 * I have not a clue who you are, but would probably be a good guess, thus you would be doing the same thing.  This doesn't rise to SPI level.  Anyone can start one, so if you feel the evidence is strong enough, then you can.  SPI's can take 3-7 days to resolve, so it is slow.   As this is a content dispute, taking it to WP:DR is probably the best bet, plus it is alot faster.  Bgwhite (talk) 05:24, 11 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Wow, way to go. Came here cause I got a notification. The aforementioned IP address is based in the UK, I'm not even a resident of the United Kingdom. --ChrisHamburg (talk) 10:11, 12 July 2014 (UTC)

Articles' move proposals
Please take a look at following articles and move them.
 * User:Captain Assassin!/sandbox1 to The Outskirts (2015 film)
 * User:Captain Assassin!/sandbox14 to The Bronze (film)

Thanks. -- Captain Assassin! «T ♦ C ♦ G» 20:01, 13 July 2014 (UTC)


 * Another one is here:
 * User:Captain Assassin!/sandbox2 to The Moon and the Sun (film) - Thanks. -- Captain Assassin! «T ♦ C ♦ G» 23:05, 13 July 2014 (UTC)
 * ... plot Bgwhite (talk) 23:21, 13 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I remember, I just proposed it in hurry, I thought you'd be gone :). -- Captain Assassin! «T ♦ C ♦ G» 23:28, 13 July 2014 (UTC)

Tech News: 2014-29
 Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please inform other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent software changes
 * The latest version of MediaWiki (1.24wmf13) was added to test wikis and MediaWiki.org on July 10. It will be added to non-Wikipedia wikis on July 15, and to all Wikipedias on July 17 (calendar).
 * It is now possible to globally rename global (SUL ) users. Please go to the username changes page on Meta if you want to rename your account on all wikis.
 * You can now read a summary of the Wikimedia technical report for June 2014.
 * You can now read the latest issue of the Wikidata newsletter and translate it into your language.

VisualEditor news
 * The tool to add templates and citations will now work for templates that include HTML comments or templates in their titles.
 * The button to make images full size should now work correctly.
 * References will now be shown in the default font size again.

Future software changes
 * CirrusSearch will be enabled as the primary search method on the Dutch (nl) and Japanese (ja) Wikipedias on July 14, and on the Polish (pl) and Russian (ru) Wikipedias on July 16.
 * The Special:Version page will soon show the exact version of MediaWiki and all extensions installed on your wiki (example).
 * It will soon no longer be possible to order printed books of wiki articles via PediaPress. You will still be able to create PDF files.
 * Pages that use  more than once will soon show a warning. You can use   to hide it.
 * Pages that have the list of references added automatically will soon be added to a tracking category. Administrators will be able to configure the name of the category on their wikis.
 * Administrators will soon be able to easily merge histories of two pages using Special:MergeHistory.
 * Administrators will soon see links to delete files on Special:ListFiles.

Tech news prepared by tech ambassadors and posted by MediaWiki message delivery • Contribute • Translate • Get help • Give feedback • Subscribe or unsubscribe.  07:48, 14 July 2014 (UTC)

Integration of Parsoid based Linter with Check Wiki
Hi,

If you recall our discussion on this thread, As a part of my GSOC project I am building a parsoid based linter. And, We are ready with a small demo. Please read this post to read more about the current state of the linttrap.

Now, As our next steps we are planning to integrate lintrap with checkwiki. It will be nice for checkwiki to have all the information that is generated by linttrap. It'll be great, if we can have a small discussion on IRC or a Hangout ?

Hardik95 (talk) 20:51, 12 July 2014 (UTC)


 * Hangout would work best. I'm generally available from 21z-02z, but can do 17z-2z if scheduled earlier.


 * The checkwiki database schema can be found here. There are only two tables for you to worry about, cw_error (which contains the actual errors) and cw_overview_errors (which contains the meta-data).  The fields are pretty explanatory, but ok contains "0" if error is not done and "1" if the error was fixed.


 * One concern I have is when a dump comes out, checkwiki deletes all errors and starts again with the dump.  Errors get fixed by regular user edits all the time and restarting with a dump keeps everything upto date.  I'm not sure how this will work with lint Bridge. Bgwhite (talk) 23:18, 13 July 2014 (UTC)


 * thanks for the info, let have hangout day after tomorrow, 21z or any day you prefer this week?? let me know how I can send you the hangout link? Hardik95 (talk) 22:56, 14 July 2014 (UTC)

Wani (caste)
Recently you reverted Wani (caste) stating that "Cannot use forums as a reference as it is unreliable.", I agree with you that, a forum cannot be treated a reliable reference, but would like to let know you that your revert included some references from the govt. official websites and one from TOI at least the publisher included the name of the caste. WP:Afd is already proposed here, please participate in that as well as instead of reverting the entire content remove the one which includes the unreliable reference or informed the user about the same by tagging for removing references. C ute st Penguin ''' {talk • contribs} 08:23, 15 July 2014 (UTC)
 * , 99% of the content removed was sourced by the forum ref. The other references you speak of sourced content that was already referenced.  I know nothing on castes and if I did, I'd rather stay away.  There are some topics on Wikipedia so controversial, I'd rather stay away and keep what sanity I have left.  Bgwhite (talk) 08:32, 15 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Okay! Bgwhite I will follow your suggestions! Thank you. C ute st Penguin '''  {talk • contribs} 08:34, 15 July 2014 (UTC)

Lily E. Kay
bgwhite--regarding the biography of Lily E. Kay, please could you advise me what happened to the book she was working on? Also, do you know where her books and papers are lodged? She was doing very important work--I'm writing a book and any info you could give me would be appreciated.Nature114 (talk) 22:03, 15 July 2014 (UTC)
 * , sorry, I don't know who she is. I only made a minor edit a couple of years ago to fix something on the page.  The page hasn't been updated with any new material since 2011, so I don't think anybody actively editing Wikipedia would know.  Bgwhite (talk) 22:10, 15 July 2014 (UTC)

ThanksNature114 (talk) 23:25, 15 July 2014 (UTC)

Reference Errors on 15 July
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Wilmington Area High School
Like above, your 2 edits on 2 different days actually caused a reference error, check,. This error is not really limited with you, yobot had also caused one, 2 days ago. Thanks  Occult Zone (Talk • Contributions • Log) 04:35, 16 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Bgwhite's edit closed two reference tags in the correct place. This revealed more unclosed ref tags on the same page. I just fixed them. So there was no error. In fact your edit did not fix anything. It hide the problem and added unformatted text in the body text. -- Magioladitis (talk) 05:48, 16 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Yes that sounds better and no error now. Closing a ref tag may cause error if other refs are defective.  Occult Zone (Talk • Contributions • Log) 05:58, 16 July 2014 (UTC)

I know one thing, that I know nothing
Hi, User:Bgwhite your userpage catched my eye: I know one thing, that I know nothing. You might enjoy the song Maintenant, je sais, don't know if it has ever been translated into English. Lotje (talk) 05:10, 16 July 2014 (UTC)


 * , there is an English version titled, But now I know. See here.  Looks like it was in the movie Attention bandits!.  I starting listening to it, but will later on when I can relax and really enjoy it. Bgwhite (talk) 05:56, 16 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Great! Lotje (talk) 06:02, 16 July 2014 (UTC)

Knife Party
You are absolutely right in deleting the extensive section of non-released materials. A one off none released material of significance being mentioned would have been ok, but it was excessive in this case and no indication of relevance. werldwayd (talk) 00:28, 15 July 2014 (UTC)
 * , thank you Bgwhite (talk) 00:32, 15 July 2014 (UTC)

Please explain why an extensive section of non-released materials is a problem for some people and not for others? All information was referenced from valid sources and official Twitter accounts. This goes for all articles on Wikipedia. Idensai (talk) 11:08, 16 July 2014 (UTC)

Miracles album
This is a clear deletion case, hands down. The release is too far away, actual release just speculative, plus that the article doesn't provide any useful information about the album, just possibility of some distant release. The title is also tentative and not a sure thing either. It might eventually be named something else for all we know. Of course knowing Dappy and his materials, any album he releases will definitely chart and become notable, but we can wait for a confirmed actual release date and some useful content. No hurry. Delete please with "No Regrets", an actual great song by Dappy, thoughtful lyrics, beautiful music and performance and and deservedly a number 1 hit in the UK http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WoImizvsj5w  By the way, if you want a charming and hilarious interview with Dappy and N-Dubz, check this "piece of gem". It is just brilliant and so witty http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pbB2Wo5v4pA werldwayd (talk) 12:39, 17 July 2014 (UTC)

AWB Add listas module
I had to change this line... string newListas = Tools.MakeHumanCatKey(ArticleTitle.Replace("Talk:", "")); to this to make it load: string newListas = Tools.MakeHumanCatKey(ArticleTitle.Replace("Talk:", ""), ArticleText);

Thanks for your work on this module. It just helped me a lot. Stevie is the man! Talk • Work 16:10, 17 July 2014 (UTC)

The Family Fang (film)
Please take a look at User:Captain Assassin!/sandbox1 and move it to The Family Fang (film) - Target article is just a redirect, so please remove it first, then move it without leaving a redirect, thanks. -- Captain Assassin! «T ♦ C ♦ G» 13:41, 18 July 2014 (UTC)

It's nice to know
Thanks for asking about me. It's nice to know that I've been missed. I'm sure you've seen the explanations at Drmies's and my talk pages. But, more importantly, I have an entertainment suggestion for you, since we have such similar tastes: the ten-part miniseries Fargo which aired on FX. I dunno if it's available on Netflix or DVD yet, but when it is, I highly recommend it. I've never been a fan of Billy Bob Thornton, but he's great in this. And it also stars Bob "Better Call Saul" Odenkirk. M AN d ARAX •  XAЯA b ИA M  23:46, 18 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Yes, I really wanted to watch it. I will have to wait for Netflix/DVD.  It also has Martin Freeman from Sherlock.  See 'Sherlock if you haven't.   Don't know if I mentioned it, but I really, really enjoyed The Returned on Netflix.  I know the real reason for your departure.  You realized you would never catch up to me.  Bgwhite (talk) 00:05, 19 July 2014 (UTC)

1987 Maryland train collision
This seems like a false positive, unless there's a bracket issue elsewhere. Best, Mackensen (talk) 22:40, 18 July 2014 (UTC)


 * I have a list of articles with bad brackets. I run the bot, but it doesn't fix all the issues.  I then have to return manually.  The list is 24-hours old, so articles are often updated before I get to them.  More importantly, why in the world did AWB place bold around the image. , any ideas?  Bgwhite (talk) 23:42, 18 July 2014 (UTC)
 * I think that it was because the article is titled "1987 Maryland train collision" and the first occurrence of that string was in the image name. Moreover, it doesn't occur in the lead, which begins "The Chase, Maryland train collision occurred ..." -- Red rose64 (talk) 00:04, 19 July 2014 (UTC)
 * I'm working on a rewrite (including the lead) but I'm not there yet. Mackensen (talk) 01:29, 19 July 2014 (UTC)

On AWB Bugs and Angry Users
I didn't want to heavily badger poor GoingBatty on his talk page, but you definitely get mega-kudos for dealing with that user. On AWB bugs, I can't help but giggle at this, it does it extremely rarely, doesn't show it in the diffs that it is blanking the page, but decides: we don't need no stinking content, WP:BLANK! ♥ Solarra ♥ ♪ 話 ♪  ߷  ♀ 投稿 ♀  07:20, 19 July 2014 (UTC)
 * check you internet connection. Is it very slow? -- Magioladitis (talk) 08:28, 19 July 2014 (UTC)
 * I have 50mpbs fiber to my house (IPTV), my ping is high but that's about it. ♥ Solarra ♥ ♪ 話 ♪  ߷  ♀ 投稿 ♀  08:35, 19 July 2014 (UTC)

Vikram filmography
Hey! I'm open to discussion. How about you? You wanna discuss the matter or what? -- Sriram speak up  16:02, 16 July 2014 (UTC)
 * , are you going to take the article to FLC? If you are, then we can let the reviewers decide.  Bgwhite (talk) 17:25, 16 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Yeah, eventually. -- Sriram speak up  17:28, 16 July 2014 (UTC)
 * , do you want to wait till then or work it out sooner? I think you are close to taking this to FLC, just need to write up a longer lead. If sooner, we are at an impasse, so some third party would have to be brought in.  It's your choice, but I think FLC would be the best place.   Bgwhite (talk) 17:42, 16 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Works for me. Can I add them back and let the reviewers make a call? -- Sriram speak up  17:51, 16 July 2014 (UTC)
 * That is a tricky question. How about a splitting the baby answer...  Add in the music videos, but leave out the commercials and also inform me when it goes up for FLC. Bgwhite (talk) 17:58, 16 July 2014 (UTC)
 * I'm watching your talkpage. You don't have to keep mentioning me every time. Btw, I'll let it stay as it is, work on the lead, add the commercials and music videos back just before nominating for FLC. Is that fair enough? -- Sriram speak up  18:01, 16 July 2014 (UTC)
 * I'm in India and the time is half past eleven. I'm gonna hit the sack. Got college tomorrow. We'll continue our discussion later. Sorry. -- Sriram speak up  18:07, 16 July 2014 (UTC)

It has been a couple days but you haven't replied yet. -- Sriram speak up  14:39, 18 July 2014 (UTC)
 * While I support your statements, I would not include multiple exclamation marks when talking to editors like you did, as it somewhat signifies attacking. Kailash29792 (talk) 15:07, 18 July 2014 (UTC)


 * I apologize Sriram, I didn't think you were waiting for me. Yes, it is fair enough on what you proposed. Bgwhite (talk) 18:17, 18 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Apology accepted. I might probably ping you when I make the nomination. -- Sriram speak up  13:37, 19 July 2014 (UTC)

Windows Update Wiki
Hello, You have recently reverted my contribution to Windows Update wiki as its being spam! What was your criteria to consider it as a spam? I am an IT Professional with about 9 years experience, So when i write something technical, i do it because i know something that is not well documented in the internet, or not documented at all! For this contribution, it was not well documented in the internet, and in this wiki. So you can't consider it as a spam, if you don't understand what was written! Mohammad.oweis (talk) 09:57, 19 July 2014 (UTC)




 * 1) We do not add a reference that not only links to yourself, but also to your business.  See WP:SPAM
 * 2) We do not copy and paste from other websites.  You copied from a page that clearly states it is copyrighted at the bottom.  Any copyrighted material must be removed.  I haven't a clue of who you are, so don't say it is your site because one can't prove that only talking to me.  See Copy-paste
 * 3) Your business site is not considered a reliable reference for anything except your business.  See WP:SPS
 * 4) I've been an IT professional for over 20 years. Never assume.  Never put one down.
 * 5) You maybe an IT professional, but you are a newbie on Wikipedia.  There are rules and procedures.  I can turn the tables and say the very same thing you said to me...  So you can consider it as spam and you don't understand what Wikipedia rules are.
 * Bgwhite (talk) 06:50, 20 July 2014 (UTC)

Yes, i agree with you that i am still a newbie on Wikipedia, just read the rules you mentioned. According to the rules, my site is not a reliable reference, so i should not use it as a reference. Noted for the future, even though i am not convinced with that rule. About Copy and Past rules, Wikipedia articles must be written in the author's own words. As the author, i have changed some of the text to not be an exact copy of my article. My name is on the site and in the wiki article, now how to verify that i am the same person, i have no idea. So, i will accept your classification as spam according to the rules, which i am not convinced about them. Thanks. Mohammad.oweis (talk) 07:49, 20 July 2014 (UTC)

Mobile frontend
Hi, I have been asked to talk to you on graphics handling changes of mediawiki and mobile frontend. I was not following those discussions.You'll get details in email or sarkarverse group. -- Tito ☸ Dutta 11:27, 20 July 2014 (UTC)

Warning on my talk page?
Hi. I was wondering why you posted that notice on my talk page... -- Krenair (talk &bull; contribs) 13:25, 19 July 2014 (UTC)


 * , I technically didn't post it, Twinkle did. Same goes for the follow Speedy deletion notice that came after mine.  Both speedy deletions came about because of the same user,, was involved


 * This is very strange, so hopefully can figure it out.   From looking at delete logs, back in 2012, you requested a speedy delete of Vocalcom.  This page has been recreated multiple times by User:Ad90189018.  The history of Call center software shows the article was created by you via that speedy delete back in 2012.  The next entry shows the page being moved from User talk:Ad90189018 to Call center software.  How can you create a page via a speedy delete? How can a page be created  on one page and the next edit showing it being moved from another?


 * When User talk:Ad90189018 was deleted from my CSD request, it was partially restored. Ad90189018 then edited the page and moved it to  Call center software.  So, somehow, the user's talk page history is messed up and it thinks you created it, even though the history shows you didn't.  Bgwhite (talk) 07:17, 20 July 2014 (UTC)
 * I don't know about Twinkle, I never use it, and I've never looked at its source code either.
 * But looking at Special:Undelete/Call center software, what I see is that at the time of the 12:58, 6 April 2012 edit by Krenair (which was the notification of an impending speedy delete, and not the actual speedy itself), the page was named User talk:Ad90189018. Two days ago, it was improperly moved to User talk:Call center software and the following day to Call center software. shouldn't have tagged it  but reverted all the spammy edits, and moved the page back to where it should always have been. -- Red rose64 (talk) 07:31, 20 July 2014 (UTC)
 * That makes sense. Thank you! -- Krenair (talk &bull; contribs) 14:32, 20 July 2014 (UTC)

Tech News: 2014-30
 Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please inform other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent software changes
 * The latest version of MediaWiki (1.24wmf14) was added to test wikis and MediaWiki.org on July 17. It will be added to non-Wikipedia wikis on July 22, and to all Wikipedias on July 24 (calendar).
 * CirrusSearch was removed as the primary search method from Wikimedia Commons and the Spanish (es) Wikipedia due to a high server load. The plan to enable it on the Dutch (nl), Japanese (ja), Polish (pl) and Russian (ru) Wikipedias was also postponed to a later date.
 * The tool that stores information about languages (CLDR) was updated to its latest version. You can still help translate language names into your own language so they can be used in the sidebar and other places.
 * Translation memory for newly translatable pages should now offer more suggestions.
 * A tool to convert MediaWiki pages to LaTeX is now available on [//tools.wmflabs.org/ Tool Labs].

VisualEditor news
 * Tablet users visiting the mobile version of Wikimedia wikis will be able to use a special version of VisualEditor starting on July 31. You can test the new tool by choosing the beta version of the mobile view in the Settings menu. Feedback is welcome.
 * All windows in VisualEditor have now a new design. Main action buttons will always be located in the top bar and will use simple words rather than icons.
 * You can now easily open links inside the link editor, for example to see their target.
 * Several bugs related to the positioning of the cursor around some items (like images and references) were fixed last week.

Future software changes
 * It will soon be possible to watch individual discussions in the Topic namespace rather than whole pages for talk pages using Flow.
 * You can give comments about the new version of Winter, a proposal to have a fixed toolbar at the top of wiki pages.
 * An IRC meeting to organize Pywikibot bugs will take place from July 24 to July 27 on the channel #pywikibot on freenode.
 * A request for comments on how to improve MediaWiki API was re-started on MediaWiki.org. Your feedback is welcome.

Problems
 * Mailing lists were broken for about 16 hours between July 14 and July 15 due to a server problem.

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Reference Errors on 22 July
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Philadelphia Eleven (Notes and references)
Hi Bgwhite,

Just wanted to let you know that I have made some proposals for cleaning up the "Notes" and "References" sections of the article Philadelphia Eleven. You can find these proposals at Talk:Philadelphia Eleven. Since you have recently contributed to this article, any comments or suggestions you may have would be most appreciated. Thanks in advance. - Marchjuly (talk) 00:39, 23 July 2014 (UTC)

Reference Errors on 25 July
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Location of references
It seems to be the policy that references should be placed after punctuation, specifically after full stops. This gives the impression that the whole of the preceding sentence is covered by the reference. It would seem to me to give a better representation of the situation if the reference is placed after the fact, rather than outside the sentence structure. Thus "Mr XXX is aged 89 and one-legged (ref here)." Tells us that the reference relates to the fact has one leg whereas "Mr XXX is aged 89 and one-legged.(ref here)" tells us the reference refers to the whole sentence. In this eaxample, "Mr XXX is one-legged(ref here) and aged 89." would be a practical alternative, but this is not always the case. Shipsview (talk) 19:49, 26 July 2014 (UTC)
 * , WP:REFPUNC is the rule for this. REFPUNC has your reasoning as the rule.  The first example given in REFPUNC is very similar to your example given.  The example should clear up any doubts. Bgwhite (talk) 22:15, 26 July 2014 (UTC)

Ascension (TV series)
Hi, Bgwhite! This concerns your recent edits to two refs in the article Ascension (TV series). I haven't reverted your edits, so please take a look at the way they look now (ref#13 & ref #30). In both cases, the sources have a show's title italicized and a possessive 's not italicized (as it is not part of the show's title). Ref#13 should read Allys (not Ally's or Allys) and ref#30 should read Cougar Towns (not Cougar Town's or Cougar Towns). Especially in the second case, the whole ref appears in bold after your edits. I know it's a tricky syntax, but that's why I used  to solve the issue. If you know of a better way to do this, please let me know. In any case, at least ref#30 must be fixed 'cause it looks very wrong right now. Thank you in advance! CostaDax (talk) 09:23, 25 July 2014 (UTC)

Hi, again! Since more than 24 hours passed and you didn't respond, I decided to experiment a little. I utilized the   format for the apostrophe preceding the possessive s, and the refs look fine now. Please take a look, and let me know if it's OK. CostaDax (talk) 11:29, 26 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Bg, I'm a bit concerned by the lack of response by this user here. Perhaps they'll listen to you. Thanks, Drmies (talk) 13:31, 26 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Hi, Bgwhite! Drmies says that you should disregard the last comment made by him. See the discussion here. CostaDax (talk) 15:45, 26 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Actually, I don't know why I bothered in the first place, since Bgwhite typically disregards everything I say. Drmies (talk) 16:11, 26 July 2014 (UTC)


 * , I actually got a semi-reply to your question yesterday. I didn't know what the rule was. I arrived at the article because one should not use, but use  instead.  Two other options besides nowiki tags... Ally  's or Ally'''s.  Any of the three options are acceptable.  I don't know who this Drmies character is.  But I vaguely remember that one should ignore anything he says. Bgwhite (talk) 22:01, 26 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Thank you very much, Bgwhite! You've been very helpful! CostaDax (talk) 09:27, 27 July 2014 (UTC)

Adam Jones (film)
Please take a look at User:Captain Assassin!/sandbox2 and move it to Adam Jones (film) - Thanks. -- Captain Assassin! «T ♦ C ♦ G» 18:15, 26 July 2014 (UTC)

I'll be able to move on only when you do this. -- Captain Assassin! «T ♦ C ♦ G» 01:30, 27 July 2014 (UTC)
 * , you know me and my bad memory by now. All you have to do is, hhmmmm, I forgot. Bgwhite (talk) 06:38, 27 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Yeah I know that, age effects I think :). -- Captain Assassin! «T ♦ C ♦ G» 17:17, 27 July 2014 (UTC)

Race (2015 film)
Please take a look at User:Captain Assassin!/sandbox2 and move it to Race (2015 film) - Which is just a redirect, and please don't forget this time :). -- Captain Assassin! «T ♦ C ♦ G» 00:48, 28 July 2014 (UTC)