User talk:Bgwhite/Archive 39

bot edit problem
Any ideas what went wrong with the persondata comment in this edit? Thanks Rjwilmsi  12:11, 10 December 2014 (UTC)
 * It happened to me too . -- Magioladitis (talk) 13:54, 10 December 2014 (UTC)
 * , not a clue. I don't have any find/replace that would do that either.  I haven't seen it on any manual edits.  A new database dump came out yesterday, I'll do a scan to see if there are others after the CheckWiki processing gets done. Bgwhite (talk) 20:39, 10 December 2014 (UTC)
 * No other articles were found that contained "⌊⌊". Bgwhite (talk) 05:15, 11 December 2014 (UTC)

Hi,

I'm the newbie who has been writing a page for the Frameline San Francisco Lesbian and Gay film festival. I'm sorry that I missed your critiques. I was off the computer over thanksgiving and then jumped back in without noticing I had a message. I thank you for your comments and am more than willing to follow them. Please return the text you reverted or send it to me someway to I can get to work making it right. By the way, I have references for most everything in the article. I was planning on going back and putting them all in at once but I'm happy to add them all now.

What if it is an eye witness account given verbally?

Thanks again for your help. Once you return the text to the Frameline page I'll start making the corrections you requested.

Mark Page — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mppage (talk • contribs) 00:14, 11 December 2014 (UTC)

List of Firefly characters
My apologies for the edit here; I had not realized it would cause those problems. My main aim in putting the TOC right template at the top was to have it above the picture; would it cause any of the problems you refer to if the image is moved down below the table of contents? 79.65.116.39 (talk) 01:42, 12 December 2014 (UTC)

The rules for using cite web tool don't seem clear enough
Hi Bgwhite,

I have been putting a lot of time into improving the Mandy Moore article, hoping that it will reach GA status someday. GoingBatty added some improvements recently, and that's great because his help is always very much appreciated, and I always learn from studying his edits. After all, he's a top editor in the truest sense of the term. Besides, he's always very good to me and to others, so I have great respect for him. However, we disagree on an issue and apparently he has given up on trying to explain his point of view to me. That's not surprising since I have always been very stubborn and obtuse, plus even my dad used to tell me that I was stupid.

Nevertheless, I do believe Wikipedia has failed to provide contributors with clear enough information regarding citation templates. I have been studying Featured Articles since I wrote to GoingBatty, and I'm noticing lots of chaos in the format of the references, and I have every reason to believe that even the finest and most experienced Wikipedians are making mistakes in this sense because, as I said, I believe the rules are not clear. What I don't want is to feel discouraged from editing, fearing that more of my edits will be changed to something I believe is wrong. You have a powerful voice in the Wikipedia community, so perhaps you could promote the creation of clearer rules for all of us, after reaching consensus among seasoned editors. For example, in the Mandy Moore article, when using Metacritic as a source, it has been changed from "website" to "publisher". I disagree. That article states right at the beginning that "Metacritic is a website that aggregates reviews of music albums, games, movies, TV shows, DVDs, and formerly, books." Furthermore, in the infobox we see that it is owned by CBS Interactive. Reading the CBS Interactive article we see the following: "CBS Interactive (formerly CBS Digital Media Group) is an American company and is a division of the CBS Corporation." So I reexamined Template:Cite web, which is too technical and has poor examples that lead to mistakes, but I do think these lines are clear enough:


 * website: Title of website; may be wikilinked. Displays in italics. Aliases: work

Therefore, the cite web template should be used (not cite news, for example), and I do believe Metacritic should be in the website parameter because it's defined as a website in its own article. I don't see how it can be the publisher. Then we find this information on the same Cite web page:


 * publisher: Name of publisher; may be wikilinked if relevant. The publisher is the company that publishes the work being cited. Do not use the publisher parameter for the name of a work (e.g. a book, encyclopedia, newspaper, magazine, journal, website). Not normally used for periodicals. Corporate designations such as "Ltd", "Inc" or "GmbH" are not usually included. Omit where the publisher's name is substantially the same as the name of the work (for example, The New York Times Co. publishes The New York Times newspaper, so there is no reason to name the publisher).

Therefore, either CBS Interactive or simply CBS would have to be the publisher since its own article defines it as the company that owns Metacritic. That information also rules out that the publisher parameter can be used for websites, so Metacritic (a website) cannot be the publisher. That's the main disagreement I respectfully have. GoingBatty seems to be claiming that the website field can only be used for terms that are italicized since the website field italicizes everything, but the arguments I have provided here seem to indicate that the italicization of everything that is put into the website field is a feature that is independent from the rules of italicization for the main body of the article (in other words, it appears to me that the references section does not follow that rule).

I apologize for writing such a long message, but I really wanted to give you all the details I could find and be as clear as possible. Please don't think I have a problem with GoingBatty. It's just a disagreement on a technical issue that should be explained much better on Wikipedia, as I said earlier. The same can be said about the pages that explain how to upload images to Commons... horrendous and even sadistic. Anyway, I just don't want to feel afraid of editing. Thanks in advance for understanding, and for your help. Dontreader (talk) 22:55, 11 December 2014 (UTC)


 * This is a tricky subject and is a subject of confusion. It is especially confusing when


 * 1) Some parameters are just aliases to other parameters
 * 2) When companies own companies
 * 3) The citation templates uses Module:Citation/CS1, which has been undergoing a massive overhaul.
 * GoingBatty has been helping in the overhaul, especially with dates, so he understands the cite templates better than I do. Anything I say may or may not be right.
 * I think you are correct with Metacritic, but it is open to interpretation. I was looking a FA reviews and people there didn't know exactly what to do.  Comes down to if you think Metacritic is a company owned by CBS or a website of CBS.  The problem is that Metacritic was its own company that became part of CNET and then CNET was bought by CBS.  Is it a company or website??
 * GoingBatty also makes a good point about italics. Do other referencing system use italics in these types of cases or not?  Yes they do, but it is also open to interpretation.  Bgwhite (talk) 23:50, 12 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks so much, Bgwhite, for your very frank explanation of the situation, and for the research you did. I'm glad we agree that in some cases it seems open to interpretation. There's no one better than GoingBatty to help in the overhaul, so that's very good news, and I hope he takes into account my observations here and on his talk page. There is widespread chaos, Bgwhite! I guess I'll just keep on doing what I think is right, and if GoingBatty or anyone else changes anything that I do, it's not the end of the world. No one cares too much about how the ref sections look anyway as long as they don't have those big red letters! I don't know where that obsession of mine came from, to the point where I've become more focused on the ref sections than on how the articles read.
 * Anyway, what you have very kindly told me reminds me of the book of Judges. Look:
 * Judges 17:6 "In those days Israel had no king; everyone did as they saw fit."
 * Judges 21:25 "In those days Israel had no king; everyone did as they saw fit."


 * Therefore, the logical conclusion is that Wikipedia needs a king to restore law and order. I will nominate you! Dontreader (talk) 00:40, 13 December 2014 (UTC)

not sure why I'm mentioned :)
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ansar_al-Islam&diff=637844283&oldid=637748234

GregKaye ✍ ♪  00:35, 13 December 2014 (UTC)


 * , I'm on to you... I see you vandalizing the article by removing all the content. :)   If you do it again, I'll block  and an editor to be named later.  That will teach you  (something)  !!! Bgwhite (talk) 00:42, 13 December 2014 (UTC)


 * Okay Bg. In seriousness, why did you revert their edit? Lor Chat 09:56, 13 December 2014 (UTC)


 * , I didn't exactly revert 's edit. I reverted an edit by an IP that removed alot of sourced material for no stated reason.   GregKaye happened to do an edit just after the IP in the External links section.  As the IP also did editing in the EL section, I didn't know if GregKay's edit was in response to the IP edit or not, thus I didn't restore GregKay's edit.  In this article's case, I restored an edit after a revert because it wasn't in the reverted editor's changes.  Bgwhite (talk) 10:13, 13 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Business as usual. Lor Chat 10:15, 13 December 2014 (UTC)

Lucy


Happy Saint Lucia's day!

"Good Morning"BrrGwhite : Thanks for all of your contributions to improve Wikipedia! 13 December is the day when Swedes perplex the rest of the world by showing up way too early in the morning dressed in white tunics, candles in their hair, singing and bringing saffron buns and breakfast in bed to nice people. Hope you have a bright day! Hafspajen (talk) 09:23, 13 December 2014 (UTC) Bee. Hafspajen (talk) 19:35, 13 December 2014 (UTC)

How to write an article, the topic of which is a disambiguation page ?
Good evening yet another WP question : How can one start writing an article, the topic of which is a disambiguation page?

For example, lets say I want to write about ghost soldier, a primary term. Right now ghost soldier is a disambiguation page. It redirects to 2 wikipages Ghost Soldiers and Ghost Army, neither of them being the primary topic. Is the only way to write the primary topic page ghost soldier by qualifying the term (adding a term in parentheses like ghost soldier (in general) to distinguish it from the existing disambiguation page?

I'd think there should be another way. I read under WP:PRIMARYREDIRECT that you can redirect the disambiguation to the primary topic, after placing it in [Category:Redirects from unnecessary disambiguation] with REDIRECT ghost soldier {R from unnecessary disambiguation}. To me that clearly is a remedy for after the fact of article creation.

How can one do it right from the start? Thanks as always and happy Santa Lucia if you have Swedish ancestors...--Wuerzele (talk) 03:59, 14 December 2014 (UTC)


 * Write up the article in your sandbox or in Draft namespace. Generally, but not always, we move the current ghost soldier to ghost soldier (disambiguation) and your article to the newly vacated ghost soldier.  Then, add a link in the disambiguation page to your new page.
 * The times when the new page would be ghost soldier (in general) is when there are alot of pages with a variant of ghost soldier and no one page stands out. Michael Smith is an example of this. Bgwhite (talk) 08:16, 14 December 2014 (UTC)

Battle of Corunna
When you made this edit why did you move ? -- PBS (talk) 18:59, 13 December 2014 (UTC)
 * , references go in numerical order. AWB, the tool used, automatically puts references in numerical order. Bgwhite (talk) 07:56, 14 December 2014 (UTC)


 * OK, thanks, I see that now you have explained it -- the commentary in the footnote obscured it from me, but it is a problem I will have to work around that as the footnote that is move is a footnote on a footnote. -- PBS (talk) 13:31, 14 December 2014 (UTC)

Citation note
Just a note: the author parameter is not deprecated; in fact, it is a preferred citation method on many biomedical articles. Sandy Georgia (Talk) 11:35, 14 December 2014 (UTC)
 * I combined the year and month into date. month is depreciated.  See Template:Cite journal.
 * author is NOT a supported parameter for COinS. If you want the biomedical Vancouver style, then add  vanc and, Bgwhite (talk) 23:41, 14 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks for fixing the dates! Sandy Georgia  (Talk) 23:52, 14 December 2014 (UTC)

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Template Draft:Expand French
Dear Bgwhite,

Thank you for the courtesy note on my talk page about the speedy deletion of Template Draft:Expand French, which you say is covered by which is nearly the case.

I have been attempting to get Expand French changed since it there is a category Category:Military articles needing translation from French Wikipedia but there is no way via Expand French to get things into that category. I noted as I picked articles for transation from the Category:Articles needing translation from French Wikipedia, its parent category, that a lot of article are actually marked with topic=mil, but they don't go into the Military category because there's nothing to do that in the switch statement of the template.

So, I think it would be a fairly uncontroversial one-line change to add that in, and I have tried to get opinion on talk pages etc about it, but with no response. I have asked at WP:Admin Requests or some such one of the admin request things to remove the full page protection (at least to semi-protected) that is on that template (I don't know why; there doesn't seem a history of vandalism to it or anything, and other "Expand language" templates such as don't have protection), but that hasn't succeeded - at least, I got no response from any admin not even a "no, we won't do this", just kinda silence. I made the draft so that I could show that my proposed change is a small technical change and not at all controversial (I imagine) but just something that's been overlooked.

I am trying to improve the encylopadia by adding this simple switch case, which would seem to be the intention of people marking things with topic=mil (which is having no effect). The articles that are in the cat are manually marked rather than via the template.

I hope that makes sense. The reason I explain all this to you is that despite my attempts to go through the places where I thought other editors might be able to contribute, I've had not really any luck in getting anyone to help me with what I think is a very uncontroversial change. (Or for any other editor to say, no, that is is a breaking change; or indeed to say anything!) I am not complaining or whatever, but you may have good suggestions on where I could take it. I did think about WikiProject France but I am not sure if that's a good idea. If you have any thoughts, I'd certainly be glad to hear them!

I hope all the above doesn't sound grumpy, it's certainly not meant to be, but I am probably accidentally asking in the wrong places. I realise your courtesy note is kinda stock response (but thank you for it all the same), but I'm hoping you may have some idea about what next I can do to make what is in my mind an uncontroversial change that will make these categories better. Maybe there's an active talk page for the folks who do categorization sorting?

Best wishes Si Trew (talk) 06:08, 15 December 2014 (UTC)


 * It makes sense what you are trying to do. I can edit the template and make changes (correctly, I hope).  Could you tell me an article that needs the template, so I can use that article as a test.  Bgwhite (talk) 06:20, 15 December 2014 (UTC)


 * Duh, you already gave me articles via the category. I added mil to the template.  I added the template to 11th Hussar Regiment (France) and it seems to work.   You need to go thru the articles found in Category:Military articles needing translation from French Wikipedia and manually remove the category and add the template.  Bgwhite (talk) 06:30, 15 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Well strike me down with a feather! I wasn't expecting you to do that personally. Yes, I will chase that up to get rid of the now-redundant cat tags at the bottom of the articles. It might be best for a one-off bot run, I think: For all articles in cat french mil, see if there is a duplicate categorization, remove it. I deliberately haven't looked yet as I wanted to thank you first for your well above what I expected or asked for help. I'll take it from here and do the tidying. But sincerely well that is astonishingly helpful so I wanted to say thankyou to you first before I get back in my gnome hole. Si Trew (talk) 07:44, 15 December 2014 (UTC)
 * The powers of being an admin with enough template knowledge to get me into trouble. Also, us fellow gnomes need to help each other out. You may want to look at Catscan to develop of listing of articles that need mil.  Always give a yell if you need anything else.  Bgwhite (talk) 07:52, 15 December 2014 (UTC)
 * The Hussars and Dragoons were the ones particularly wrong, and now they're not. Not worth a bot job, I can check them manually not too many (I checked every date of the year for WP:RFD the other day to find bad redirects, that is where I usually hang out, so that was 368 in American format and 368 in British format. I am well aware there are only 365 and a bit days of the year but I checked edge cases like 0 January used in astronomy).


 * Your humble gnome Si Trew (talk) 07:58, 15 December 2014 (UTC)


 * I've never awarded a barnstar before so I will probably cock this up, but here it is:


 * I would put it at the top of your user page but I don't want to spoil all your nice formatting. It is meant sincerely and thankfully, so please move it where you would best like it. Trashcan, probably! Si Trew (talk) 08:44, 15 December 2014 (UTC)


 * And I am guessing by the time you are American and were just off to bed. I was just waking up. So if my guess is correct, you get a slightly nice present. Not as good as Santa's, I know. But your respect and politeness and whatnot has, well, I don't know how to say, restored my faith in Wikipedia. I don't want to be an admin I want to be a gnome, but well I am spellbound that an admin bothers to deal with we gnnomes. And still can't spell "Through" properly ("thru" was another clue!) Si Trew (talk) 09:12, 15 December 2014 (UTC)


 * Thank you very much for your kind words. It is always easier to be nice to someone when they are nice to begin with, so a thank you should also go out to you.  Pffft, thru IS the proper spelling.  It always amazes me that the English can't spell proper English. :)  Bgwhite (talk) 22:11, 15 December 2014 (UTC)

Reference Errors on 15 December
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HistMerge
Need a HISTMERGE of Draft:The Jungle Book (2015 film) into The Jungle Book (2015 film), and do every edit this time. The article was moved to the draft till production begins, and now it has begun. And please do it hurry. Thanks. -- Captain Assassin! «T ♦ C ♦ G» 10:24, 13 December 2014 (UTC)
 * The ref used never says filming has begun. It only says they are on the set.  Sets are built before filming takes place. In action films, practice often takes place on sets before filming.  Unless a ref says filming has commenced, the redirect stays.  I also don't think it would be appropriate to merge.  Bgwhite (talk) 08:36, 14 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Filming is underway Bgwhite, see the ComingSoon.net reference. And merge is needed here, it was moved to draft by, we were just waiting here for the production to begin and now it has. -- Captain Assassin! «T ♦ C ♦ G» 10:20, 14 December 2014 (UTC)
 * I'm waiting Bgwhite. -- Captain Assassin! «T ♦ C ♦ G» 15:19, 16 December 2014 (UTC)

Sri lanka Press Polls
Please assist me, as I am having difficulty, your assistance would be appreciated. please add the banner back in thanks -- Eng. M.Bandara -Talk  07:47, 17 December 2014 (UTC)

Shameless filling of talk pages with Wikilove because it's chrismas


Lor Ho ho ho is wishing you a Merry Christmas! This greeting (and season) promotes WikiLove and hopefully this note has made your day a little better. Spread the WikiLove by wishing another user a Merry Christmas, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past, a good friend, or just some random person. Happy New Year!

Spread the cheer by adding {{subst:Xmas2}} to their talk page with a friendly message. Lor Ho ho ho 23:18, 17 December 2014 (UTC)

Ok, what do you want? Looks like you are taking brown nose lessons from. I haven't murdered anybody that didn't deserve it. I've only robbed banks and "mean" people. What in the world did I do wrong to deserve you two? Bgwhite (talk) 00:09, 18 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Join us Bgwhite, join us Lor Ho ho ho 00:16, 18 December 2014 (UTC)

Your edits to Simon Mol
Great job. Instead of challenging, deleting, section blanking etc. - you fixed the mistakes. I hope you enjoyed the story. More to come, see its talk page. One more thing! Please make sure its not only india. Whole buddhism started from buddhas birth place which is nepal. And its really disappointing to see my own country not being written on the first paragraph!

Ricki and the Flash
Hello B! Would you please take a look at Draft:Ricki and the Flash and move it to Ricki and the Flash ? - Thanks.

Incorrect terminology on Cli-Fi
Regarding https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cli_fi

Cli-Fi is an abbreviation for climate fiction and should be stated as such. In fact, this whole page should be deleted with a real page on "climate fiction" just like "science fiction" has. For instance, people say "cli-fi" but people also say "sci-fi". Sci-fi does not have an entry in Wikipedia, and neither should "cli-fi". It is simply an abbreviation for the climate fiction genre. This is supported by media and explained in my recent revisions (see the Talk page). §

E04 Expressway
I'm not much of a road man but I've given it a shot - at least attempted to provide independent verifiable references to establish the article's reliability. Unfortunately there appears to be some differences as to what towns the potential interchanges will be located. It would be great if we can find some definite start date for the project. Dan arndt (talk) 07:55, 18 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Thank you Bgwhite (talk) 08:54, 18 December 2014 (UTC)

Involved?
Hi Bgwhite. I'm reviewing the block you placed on, and I have some concerns that I'd like to raise with you. His argument that you were involved does seem to hold water - as far as I can see from the edit history of the article, you have been edit-warring with him over passages that, whilst not necessarily suitable for the article, do not appear to fall under any of the exemptions to WP:EW. (I suppose a case could be made in favour of BLP enforcement, but it would seem tenuous, to say the least - certainly not the cut-and-dried violation that provides an exception to the edit-warring rules). Blocking in this instance looks like a very involved action, and I'm considering lifting the block on procedural grounds as a result. However, I don't want to do so without offering you a right of reply; it's possible that you may have seen something I've missed or interpreted the situation differently to me. Please could you elucidate a little on the rationale behind your block, and why you felt it was not a violation of WP:INVOLVED to do this yourself rather than asking another administrator? Clarification would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Yunshui 雲 水 08:57, 18 December 2014 (UTC)
 * , There are two separate incidents. Also look above the block request on Eng.M.Bandara's talk page.


 * 1) The first one I removed text and tag. The text was either not referenced or gave a reference to a home page of an orgainzation that was not sourcing what was being referenced.  This was a BLP enforcement issue. They reverted twice for BLP.  They continued to revert because they wanted the tag, which I said was fine, but add it in correctly.  It only ended when I added the tag correctly.
 * 2) The second is a content dispute between Eng.M.Bandara and Obi2caibe. Obi2caibe added a big addition.  Eng.M.Bandara reverted because some of their material was deleted.  Eng.M.Bandara has not engaged in discussion...  I don't consider a  two sentence reply with an accusation then a revert a discussion.  The text should be kept at where Obi2caibe has it or Eng.M.Bandara add back in their material.
 * From WP:EL, One important caveat is that an administrator who has interacted with an editor or topic area purely in an administrative role, or whose prior involvements are minor or obvious edits which do not speak to bias, is not involved My first involvement was a BLP issue and doing the tag correctly, not with the material added nor the editor.
 * From WP:EL, Warnings, calm and reasonable discussion and explanation of those warnings, advice about community norms, and suggestions on possible wordings and approaches do not make an administrator 'involved'. I have warned Eng.M.Bandara multiple times to not revert.  Eng.M.Bandara has not engaged in discussion until the block occurred.  If you look at the discussion since the block has happened, Eng.M.Bandara still doesn't understand that reverting is not an option.  I blocked after multiple warnings and lack of discussion on Eng.M.Bandara part.  Bgwhite (talk) 09:28, 18 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Okay, I see where you're coming from now. Thank you for the explanation. My inclination is to decline the current unblock appeal, but offer to unblock if he agrees to restrict his editing to the talkpage until a clear consensus for or against his sources/arguments has been developed. Would you be (pre-emptively) amenable to an unblock under those conditions? Yunshui 雲 水 09:33, 18 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Yes, the conditions are fine as long as you continue to monitor the situation. I'll also unwatch both the article and Eng.M.Bandara's talk page. Bgwhite (talk) 09:40, 18 December 2014 (UTC)
 * I'll do that, then, and add both pages to my own watchlist. Yunshui 雲 水 09:43, 18 December 2014 (UTC)

Dirty Grandpa - merge
Hello B, will you please merge Dirty Grandpa into Draft:Dirty Grandpa, an editor created it before the filming began? A draft is in works so please merge it there and create a redirect of the page by yourself, and put a note in it about not to create the article. -- Captain Assassin! «T ♦ C ♦ G» 15:12, 18 December 2014 (UTC)

Thank you
Thank you so much, Bgwhite, for your note at Magioladitis' page. I must have been looking at the revision history for another article, but I can't figure out which article. I did see two edits by M, but I don't remember any dates. It all happened as I was panicking after seeing "Edit conflict". I've left a note for the author of the article. Would he be upset to see all the edits made in the last 40 minutes gone? It's just a few small edits. If I save my edits, I'd be saving the entire article (with numerous minor edits sprinkled throughout), so those other more recent ones would disappear. What do you suggest? CorinneSD (talk) 00:49, 19 December 2014 (UTC)
 * I'd go ahead and save your edits. All the recent edits on Murder of Leigh Leigh are pretty minor.  After you save, go back and manually restore (ie edit) the changes from the previous editors.  Bgwhite (talk) 00:55, 19 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Thank you. I just did that. I will now try to re-do those other minor edits. CorinneSD (talk) 01:01, 19 December 2014 (UTC)

BG19bot "Fix section headers" task
Hi, your bot added a second blank line after the headings here. According to WP:MOSHEAD, there should be either one or no blank line at all.    FDMS   4    09:40, 15 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Still not fixed.    FDMS   4    15:48, 20 December 2014 (UTC)

Minor edits, maintenance templates
Hi Bgwhite. Could you please clarify if it is OK for an ed to be marking all edits as minor, including article edits as big as 2000-3000 bytes, while removing several refs, links, article content, etc. Secondly, is it OK to be removing maintenance templates which have been there for a year or two by citing WP:BURDEN, and without doing anything else to improve the article. I could not find anything in WP:Burden which could support removal of maintenance templates in this way. Regards.OrangesRyellow (talk) 02:30, 21 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Help:Minor edit talks about what is and what isn't minor. For maintenance templates, it says under 'when not to mark an edit as a minor edit', Adding or removing visible tags or other templates in an article.  WP:Burden is only about references and doesn't cover maintenance templates.


 * There can be some exceptions. For example, when I'm running my bot, I mark all edits as minor.  Some may actually might not be minor, but I don't know about that ahead of time.  Bgwhite (talk) 02:44, 21 December 2014 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the response. Not bots. Its about OrangesRyellow (talk) 03:33, 21 December 2014 (UTC)


 * I've left a message on their talk page. Bgwhite (talk) 07:36, 21 December 2014 (UTC)


 * Thanks. Looks weird to me, considering they seem to have been doing this right from the start . How is it possible that it could have remained undetected for so long. Some other people must have explained this to them. They still seem to have difficulty comprehending it.OrangesRyellow (talk) 10:59, 21 December 2014 (UTC)

Removal of File:ParinoushSaniee.JPG
Hi Bgwhite. My sister's photo you removed, was taken by my brother-in-law and given free of charge to publishers to use. Many have put this photo on the back cover of her books. Does the fact that it's already on several web sites, really makes it impossible for me to use it on Wikipedia? Or do I have to provide some kind of proof? Many thanks in advance, Darren 18:05 21st Dec 2014 Leedaras (talk) 18:06, 21 December 2014 (UTC)
 * With the photo on news sites, that means the photo is copyrighted. Wikipedia cannot accept copyrighted photos.  The only way is for the copyright holder to write to Wikipedia saying the photo is either in the public domain or CC BY-SA.  See Requesting copyright permission for more information.  Bgwhite (talk) 06:08, 22 December 2014 (UTC)

BG19bot table breakage
Hi, with, BG19bot broke a table by removing the newline which preceded the  -- Red rose64 (talk) 10:32, 20 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Also, this edit, like many other BG19bot checkwiki fixes, shouldn't have been made in the first place, as it violates the AWB TOU (Do not make insignificant or inconsequential edits. An edit that has no noticeable effect on the rendered page is generally considered an insignificant edit. […]).    FDMS   4    15:37, 20 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Could you add this to AWB's bug page as this is an AWB issue. Ping  to make sure he knows about it.
 * those rules are for AWB in manual mode, not bots. All Checkwiki errors have bot approval.  The bot runs off a list generated by checkwiki.  By the time the bot gets to the article, often time the problem is already fixed.  Bgwhite (talk) 01:34, 21 December 2014 (UTC)
 * I also ping -- Magioladitis (talk) 08:26, 21 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Reported at WP:AWB/B. -- Red rose64 (talk) 12:06, 21 December 2014 (UTC)

fixes it. -- Magioladitis (talk) 12:30, 21 December 2014 (UTC)
 * just in case you didn't see it. Bgwhite (talk) 06:43, 22 December 2014 (UTC)

Stephen A. Corker Site changes by Captain Stegge user
Hi...I am new to this...

There is incorrect information being put on this page. The man in question is my GGGgrandfather, Stephen A Corker. I have extensive knowledge on Corker as I am writing a book about him. 3 years of research. This Captain Stegge shows a valdosta address. I have been in conflict with a former professor at Valdosta State University. This Stegge person is not improving this article but putting incorrect and slanted information about my ancestor as a way to place Captain Corker in a bad light. According to the rules of Wikipedia ...this is not the purpose of the program. Please communicate with me how to remedy this.

John C. Hall, Jr. CorkerCSA

CorkerCSA (talk) 22:00, 15 December 2014 (UTC)


 * It depends on the refs. If they are valid refs, there isn't much to do except show valid refs that say otherwise.  The refs given were a rootweb site, which is not reliable and census data.  They essentially only gave "1860 Census" for the ref.  That isn't much to go on.  I tried finding Stephen Corker in the Census data.  I can find him for 1840 and 1850, but I'm unable to for 1860 and 1870.  Unless one can find the census data, the material that it sources must be removed.  Bgwhite (talk) 00:57, 17 December 2014 (UTC)

Is there a way to block this Captain Stegge person from my ancestor's page? This person has no interest in my ancestor. They are just harassing me by writing an agenda they have against my efforts to present facts that are pertinent to his legacy.
 * No, there is no way to block any person from editing any page. I haven't looked in detail, but I haven't seen where they have done much of anything wrong.  They are using valid refs.  What I've read from the newspaper's they have cited, there isn't anything wrong.  Bgwhite (talk) 18:47, 18 December 2014 (UTC)

The issue is really not the references but the one sided attempt to show only items that make my ancestor look bad. Since I can't block this person I would like to remove some of the items placed that serve no purpose and counter the others showing the other side. The perfect example is the mention of my ancestor being absent from the war and hiding in Savannah. This serves no purpose other than to let the wikipedia reader assume cowardice. The context is political in the 1870's from one of Corker's enemies. I could put many newspaper articles in a historical figure such as George Washington making money selling whiskey....while true this would serve someone's agenda to slant the image of the first president. Your comments are appreciated — Preceding unsigned comment added by CorkerCSA (talk • contribs) 15:38, 21 December 2014 (UTC)


 * Captain Stegge has reapplied their edit, minus the rootsweb material. They have also mentioned the the name on the census they are under.  Misnaming is very common either by the person taking the census or the person transcribing the old census records.  Transcribing the old cursive script is not the easiest thing to do.  I'm not in a position for a few days to go look up the records, but I'll look at it to make sure what is being said is true.


 * I have lived in Georgia (Athens) and I still have family there (Statesboro), I'd personally hide out in Savannah over Waynesboro in peace or war :).  The article clearly states he was in the war, at the Battle of Gettysburg and was a prisoner of war.   There were rumors that he hid out in Savannah, which helped cause his defeat in a Congressional election.  Stating one of the issues why he lost the election is a valid reason to have the rumors in the article.  I can't see how someone reading this would get the impression he was hiding from the war in Savannah.   It actually improves his standing by saying the lost the election due to false rumors and not fair and square.  Bgwhite (talk) 07:18, 22 December 2014 (UTC)

Merry Merry
To you and yours FWiW  Bzuk (talk) 14:01, 22 December 2014 (UTC)

Notice of Edit warring noticeboard discussion
Hello. This message is being sent to inform you that there is currently a discussion involving you at Administrators' noticeboard/Edit warring regarding a possible violation of Wikipedia's policy on edit warring. The thread is Administrators' noticeboard/Edit warring. Thank you. VersoArts (talk) 14:13, 22 December 2014 (UTC)

Making bots
Hi Bgwhite. Sorry to bother you again, I have wanted to know this for some time. You are familiar with bot making etc. I want some guidance on whether I too could be able to do it. I had learned some BASIC programming in school. It was an ancient form of BASIC, but seems that language is still in use. I understand variables as used in computers, FOR NEXT loops IF NEXT THEN commands etc. I had written some baby programs for calculating and printing out prime numbers and to create a digital clock etc. Is it possible to make bots with that kind of knowledge, or by improving a bit on it ? If yes, is there some place where I could start learning how to make bots ? OrangesRyellow (talk) 13:46, 21 December 2014 (UTC)
 * For, If, While and all the other loops are the basics of programming in almost any language. The hard part is getting the syntax down and knowing all the special procedures/functions/subroutines.  There are four main languages used for doing bots around here.  Python is the most common and it uses the Pywikibot framework.  Perl, C#/.NET and PHP are the other three.  With Python being the most common, it has the most resources (best framework and people) to help you out.  I don't know Python.  I'm old school with FORTRAN and Perl as the languages I know.  I've looked at some courses for Python.  I've looked at Coursera courses.  Programming for Everybody (Python) starts up on February 2nd.  An Introduction to Interactive Programming in Python is the one I was looking at, but there are no start times listed. Cost is ~$50 a course.  Codecademy (free) is another place or try learning from a book.  Bgwhite (talk) 06:41, 22 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the response. I think I will get into this only if I can find some way of doing it in BASIC. I only intend to make some simple bots, and am looking for a way to get a toe in. Do you know of some active user who makes bots using the BASIC language, or some other way of finding such a user ?OrangesRyellow (talk) 07:20, 22 December 2014 (UTC)
 * It would be much, much harder to do a bot in any language not listed above. The frameworks to interact with Wikipedia has already been written.  You would have to recreate alot of code.  For example, I ripped out ~1,500 lines of code from CheckWiki when I started using Perl's Mediawikibot frame work and a module to read in XML data.  I don't know of anybody that programs BASIC.  Except for the derivative Visual Basic, nobody has really used BASIC since the late 80s.  Sniff.  It was the first language I started out learning on the Commodore PET.  Bgwhite (talk) 07:47, 22 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Your replies have cleared up a lot of fog for me. I have now stumbled upon mw:Manual:Creating_a_bot and Keeping in mind what you have said, I guess I cannot tailor the wikipedia frameworks to accept BASIC commands. Learning VBscript and HTML coding seems to be my best bet. These alone should keep me occupied for a year, so that I do not pester you and you can take some relief until them ;-) Thanks again.OrangesRyellow (talk) 10:58, 22 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Most versions of BASIC are interpreted, not compiled, which besides being slow, is horribly inefficient. I too used a Commodore PET (model 3016), and one time was trying to write a program which flashed the screen into reverse video, then back again. It read a byte from the memory mapped screen RAM, toggled bit 7, and wrote it back, for all 1000 bytes. You could see it painting along each row, and took about 15 seconds to flip the whole screen. I then found out how to do the same in 6502 machine code, and the speed gain was such that it completed before you could let go of the "Return" key. -- Red rose64 (talk) 14:30, 22 December 2014 (UTC)
 * I get it. It means, even if I do succeed in learning and creating something, it will be soo slow and inefficient that it won't be approved. So, my only real choice is to learn some completely new language, or forget it. I had started out on a BBC Micro. It seemed good at the time. My teachers told me BASIC was a versatile language. It is. But does not stand a chance now for reasons you have described. Maybe I could overcome its slowness by converting it into machine code, and then running it, but I am not sure if it can be done, or whether the gain would be good enough, and it would be disappointing to put in a lot of effort learning something, and then finding out it is a waste because of some limitation. So, it is either a completely new language, or nothing. I will try looking into python a bit, and then decide whether I want to learn it or not. Thanks for the response !!!OrangesRyellow (talk) 17:31, 22 December 2014 (UTC)

Citrus taxonomy
I am wondering why you changed the heading levels on citrus taxonomy page. in my opinion the headings that were secondary must be that way, since they are only examples for the main heading of Common name confusion. Riversid (talk) 16:34, 22 December 2014 (UTC)
 * I changed the headings according to MOS:HEAD and more importantly, Manual of Style/Accessibility... Headings should be nested sequentially, starting with level 2 (&#61;&#61;), then level 3 (&#61;&#61;&#61;) and so on... Bgwhite (talk) 20:57, 22 December 2014 (UTC)

Swatantra
Hey bro, I attended Swatantra_2014 as a Wikipedia member, and I am trying to take this article to DYK. Could you help to copyedit/expand he article. pleaseee?? -- Tito ☸ Dutta 13:30, 22 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Did you get to meet Richard Stallman?  Alot of people consider him a nut job, but he is the father of the free software movement. Bgwhite (talk) 22:24, 22 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Namaste/Hello, Bgwhite, yes I met Richard Stallman, and personally talked to him for a couple of minutes (he was very busy and many people were trying to talk to him). I attended his inaugural speech as well. Richard is a nice guy, with a very positive and confident (or slightly over-confident) attitude. Richard would have been very happy to see that you are using the word "free software" and not "open source". He discussed hiss views in details why Linux should actually be called GNU-Linux etc. Regards. -- Tito ☸ Dutta 23:27, 22 December 2014 (UTC)

Movement for the Survival of the Ogoni People
As it's stated above. The article is in a major restructuring. Using whitespace during coding is standard practice. If you are editing I have not seen the updates in the notice box. They must be of the final editing type which I am not concerned with at this point. This is a wireframe process ONLY. I am using Wikipedia's guidelines for innovation of design elements. If this article is of such importance the heavy research is what is needed at this time. But there is not any assistance with that aspect NOR feedback on any positives. VersoArts (talk) 12:11, 22 December 2014 (UTC)

Discuss why the images are of no importance? VersoArts (talk) 12:13, 22 December 2014 (UTC)

It would be preferable to use the TALk on the article when changes are made. I would have thought something would be entered there as an introduction of yourself before you took advantage of making edits during a major work. Again, please explain your perspective that the images are of no use. VersoArts (talk) 12:29, 22 December 2014 (UTC)

What are the issues with the list that should be considered pertaining to the blind? Was that just a hyperbolic insult? VersoArts (talk) 13:08, 22 December 2014 (UTC)

I followed best practices for the list. And it took me hours to get the blocking correct for when I was ready to fill in that area with research on the timeline. VersoArts (talk) 13:15, 22 December 2014 (UTC)

You should read up on MarkUp on Wiki VersoArts (talk) 13:19, 22 December 2014 (UTC)

Now I recall being confused as to why a couple of days ago the bottom 1/4 of the page had been deleted. I put a fix because I thought I had made a mistake in editing. Yet, you take it as a personal matter knowing you're making these type of changes undercover which is bad form. If there won't be a response I'll consider this a drive-by. Or article jacking. If you choose to ONLY talk on your userpage and NOT the article TALK then I don't think you should be editing on pages and would appreciate that consideration on those I choose to form. VersoArts (talk) 13:58, 22 December 2014 (UTC)

Again you chose to make the edits without responding. And I see that you get into warring positions outside of any involvement you have with articles. This may be done for blocking editors from articles you don't prefer. I am making a request for mediation before you entrap.VersoArts (talk) 14:11, 22 December 2014 (UTC)

Don't use your army of bots if you don't understand the guidlines of MarkUp in Wiki. And if you don't understand a subject matter, why are you editing content? VersoArts (talk) 23:55, 22 December 2014 (UTC)


 * @Bgwhite Now you're asking me on MY talk page to stop editing YOUR talk page. YOU left the crazy message on your uninvolved disruptions on MY talk page first. YOU'RE the one with the rule about not using the TALK of articles. Now you're ranting at me for taking the same tact you do.VersoArts (talk) 00:17, 23 December 2014 (UTC)

File:Black July 1983 Colombo.jpg
File:Black July 1983 Colombo.jpg I don't see any genuine reason on the nomination for the deletion of above image. I have explained on the talk page and need your comment/review.61.245.173.189 (talk) 19:06, 22 December 2014 (UTC)
 * You have the wrong person. I didn't nominate for deletion.  Bgwhite (talk) 20:51, 22 December 2014 (UTC)


 * Sorry for the insufficient information which I have catered previously. I have posted since you have dealt with the nominator in the past. User:Eng.M.Bandara has placed the speedy deletion again and disruptive.61.245.163.93 (talk) 01:44, 23 December 2014 (UTC)


 * , Ok, I understand better. As this involves, it is best if Yunshui handles it. Bgwhite (talk) 01:54, 23 December 2014 (UTC)

Standard position
Thank you for giving the infobox the standard position in Vom Himmel hoch, however it didn't stay long, because one editor likes a lead image above it, arguing that a certain PDF writer doesn't take a lead image. The current infobox would not even accommodate one, - I suggested a different one. Discuss on the talk please if it matters to you, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:36, 22 December 2014 (UTC)


 * Thank you for your comments. I know one more of the strange "pic outside infobox" situations: BWV 232a (can't remember the complicated name). --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:32, 22 December 2014 (UTC)


 * Even with the large photo in the lead, I still can't make out what the photo says. This is another case where the the infobox should be moved up. Bgwhite (talk) 22:45, 22 December 2014 (UTC)


 * Tell the owner ;) Discussion on the talk, labeled Infobox. He claimed that a certain PDF writer doesn't render the pic from the infobox, and therefore no important pic should be in the position. - I believe that the image should not be "read" but give an idea of how a title page by Bach himself was designed, and whoever wants to look closer will hopefully know to click on it. I think everybody can read that the title is "Missa" - which I would prefer to be the article title ... as the German version has it. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:56, 22 December 2014 (UTC)


 * The PDF writer software is new. It was installed on September 29th. The number one issue is Tables, most won't print.  As an Infobox is just a table, we have the reason why Infoboxes don't print via PDF.  Here is an email message about the new PDF software.   The bug report is .  As this is a known bug, saying infoboxes won't print as a reason to not use an infobox becomes moot.  Bgwhite (talk) 02:26, 23 December 2014 (UTC)


 * Thank you, it may be helpful, - "hope" is the first word in a comment on my talk, and I will carry it over to 2015. My greetings will be posted on top of my talk tomorrow, please come over then ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:04, 23 December 2014 (UTC)

Mala (caste)
Since you protected it a few hours ago, I thought you'd like to notice the creation of Mala(caste). Sam Sing! 11:06, 23 December 2014 (UTC)

CheckWiki on nonWMF wiki
Hi, I signed my message, but I am still not sure if my ping from wiki talk reached you. Did you process the dump? --Wesalius (talk) 08:44, 23 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Ah crap. I forgot, which unfortunately isn't uncommon.   I just started up the processing.  It should be done in less than an hour and will post the results.  Bgwhite (talk) 06:46, 24 December 2014 (UTC)
 * I just sent an email to you on where you can find the file. Bgwhite (talk) 07:05, 24 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Thank you very much, I posted the errors on my subpage, next task is to get people motivated to help me out with the fixing. I wish you calm and joyful Christmas. --Wesalius (talk) 08:27, 24 December 2014 (UTC)

Sorry
haha, pathetic of me. Sorry... :p I don't see the difference, but OK. --TIAYN (talk) 08:40, 24 December 2014 (UTC)
 * It didn't do that on my browser so its quite understandable why I misunderstood that point... :p --TIAYN (talk) 08:44, 24 December 2014 (UTC)

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Merry Christmas


Merry Christmas, Bgwhite! Wishing you the best in your life. --Meno25 (talk) 06:55, 25 December 2014 (UTC)

Including #property in cebu and bohol (so far) municipalities / cities
I have spent a lot of time changing the infoboxes to incorporate wikidata, which isn't the easiest thing. One of wikidata's (many) problems is that it isn't possible to retrieve just one occurrence of an attribute – it gives you all of them as a csv. So for instance it is quite frequent for inception (establishment / founding / incorporation etc.) to have several entries. Ditto demonym. The only way I could see to handle this is to replace all commas with , in order for data to line up with heading. Because I want a general model rather than bespoke, it seemed quite OK to me to put what I put, which works regardless of actual data. Similar for other elements. An empty invocation of URL causes an instruction message to appear, not nothing. I was trying for the most part to replicate how things were, so the 'motto' field was quite often shown in italics. If it is coded as  ' ''' (i.e. no property value) then it displays as ' or something like – it's not null. Other fields similar.— Unbuttered parsnip (talk) mytime= Thu 22:55, wikitime=  14:55, 25 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Responded on Parsnip's page as there is an ongoing discussion there. Bgwhite (talk) 08:23, 26 December 2014 (UTC)

R
Hi Bgwhite, this is regarding the article on Wiki "Raju peddada". Please let me know why all my changes are reverted. Even all of the references are removed on the page. Help me through this and revert to previous version.

Here is the response from help desk when I asked for suggestions: Hello, Aparna Penmethsa. I can't tell you why Bgwhite undid your edits: you'll need to ask them. My guess is that they thought that the meterial you added was too promotional, but they didn't give a reason in their edit summary, or post a message on the talk page. It may be that they thought you were wrong to remove the cleanup tags, and did not realise that they were undoing other changes as well. I suggest you ask them on the article's talk page. (I've linked them in this answer, so they may reply anyway). --ColinFine (talk) 10:44, 23 December 2014 (UTC)

Thanks Aparna 11:47, 25 December 2014 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Aparna Penmethsa (talk • contribs)


 * Actually I did leave an edit summary... "remove refs to own ad material and us patents."  There is no need to add a listing of all the patents.  It isn't done and vast majority of all patents are "trivial".   You keep referencing material to Raju Peddada's own ad material and to the company's own website.  Referencing some material from the company's website is ok (address, date founded, who is in charge).  Saying "Peddada designs are featured in the world's leading consumer culture-design-fashion publications" and giving 10 refs to magazines is promotional. Some refs are only to magazine's home page, which isn't a ref.  Not one ref was about Aparna Penmethsa, only praise about his work.  Articles are supposed to be neutral. Bgwhite (talk) 08:53, 26 December 2014 (UTC)

HTML code in Wiki
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:HTML_in_wikitext VersoArts (talk) 23:53, 25 December 2014 (UTC)


 * What's this about? Lor Ho ho ho 00:04, 26 December 2014 (UTC)
 * About a person who refuses to get along with anybody. See their talk page.  Bgwhite (talk) 08:35, 26 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Another one bites the block.. Lor Ho ho ho 08:39, 26 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Eeeks. I remember when the song came out.  Yes, I'm old.  I'm not a music person, but I love Queen.  Bgwhite (talk) 08:58, 26 December 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Swatantra 2014
 Harrias  talk 12:02, 29 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Archived copy of the main age -- Tito ☸ Dutta 12:07, 29 December 2014 (UTC)

Ignorant Art
I know this is about a nearly month-old incident, but I am very concerned with your editing on this article. I agree that the subject is not notable and the redirect should remain, however, I feel that fully protecting the page indefinitely and blocking twice for edit warring - particularly when you violated 3RR (here, here, here, and here) on November 24, with no attempt to discuss with  and only a hostile "Just stop" message to Sabinbik - was an abuse of your administrator privileges. I would seriously consider removing the protection on the article, or at least reducing its length, and I would advise you to make better attempts at dispute resolution in the future.

And as for the claim that "Mixtapes do not get articles", that is not necessarily true. In fact, Piracy Funds Terrorism and Vicki Leekx are good articles.

There may be a misunderstanding or something I missed here, and if there is, please let me know. –Chase (talk / contribs) 22:56, 26 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Please DO NOT selectively quote. "Just stop. Mixtapes usually do not get articles. I'm not the only one restoring the redirect in the article" is not an abuse of power or hostile.   I said on their talk page, "Mixtapes usually do not get articles."  I also said that in one of my edit summaries. I also gave multiple edit summaries.  They did 3RR.  They reverted two people.


 * Their only response, "I'm gonna stop when Iggy Azalea will ask me to do it... now I see how Wikipedia can ***k".  After two blocks, their sockpuppet reverted the edit again.  The protection was made only after the sockpuppet edit.


 * Do you see them once trying to communicate to anyone? Do you not see them creating the same file images over and over again to only have them removed?  I see you and others gave them warnings... have they answered or just continued doing the same thing?   I see them and their sockpuppet reverted again at Flash (Iggy Azalea song) and Ain't been Done (Jessie J song).   You have some nerve to say I did wrong on PP  when they and their sockpuppet are actively reverting pages.  You have some nerve when nobody else has tried "dispute resolution" with them or their sockpuppet, including you.


 * This isn't a matter of who is in the right and who is in the wrong. I have already said that I agree that the user(s) are in the wrong. The problem here is that you are blocking users and protecting articles indefinitely over content disputes that you yourself are involved in, which is a policy violation. –Chase (talk / contribs) 21:02, 27 December 2014 (UTC)
 * You accused me of being hostile, not talking and saying ONLY "Mixtapes do not get articles", all of which are false. You accused me of putting on protection because of an argument with only Sabinbik, which is also false.  You have accused me of many things and not just one thing. You have only done accusations.  Get your stories straight.  Do you not understand that "indefinitely" does not mean forever and admins go back and unprotected pages?
 * You can send it to Afd like you did Murda Mizness, but it didn't do any good as the page is now protected. Same goes for Flash (Iggy Azalea song).  I should put page protection on Flash right now, but you will accuse me.   TrapGold is now in their sights.  It too should be protected.  Why haven't you reverted them there?  They still are adding photos right after they are deleted.  Do you not see why I put page protection on?  Once I saw the sockpuppet, I knew the odds of what will happen next.   I knew they would not stop.  I knew this because of my experience of being an admin.  I did what any reasonable admin would have done in the same circumstances.
 * They are not going to stop until blocks happen (probably blocks to more sockpuppets) or it becomes miserable to edit, ie protections.  Instead of making accusations towards people trying to do work, why not go against the vandal?  You haven't done one thing to try and stop them except revert.  Funny  Bgwhite (talk) 08:42, 28 December 2014 (UTC)
 * I have made efforts to explain music notability guidelines to these editors and with no response. This isn't about me, and it's not about whether or not what you did was the best thing for the articles. It's about the fact that you probably shouldn't have done what you did, protecting an article in a dispute you were involved in (redirect vs. fleshed-out article) and participated in 3RR in (regardless of whether the other editors violated 3RR or not). I think a "reasonable admin" would probably have sought another, uninvolved admin to handle protection and the blocks. It appears you're not willing to accept responsibility for this, nor to shorten the protection length, so I will be putting in a request at RFPP shortly. –Chase (talk / contribs) 23:20, 28 December 2014 (UTC)
 * It appears you only want blood. You are the one who doesn't get it and it appears you only want two things... make baseless accusations and the article unprotected.  FYI... asking an uninvolved admin is illegal as it is canvasing, see User talk:Drmies.  It appears you see nothing wrong and thus have done nothing to stop a vandalizing/sockpuppet editor.  It is about you when do nothing to a vandalizing/sockpuppet, but make alot of baseless accusations. Bgwhite (talk) 00:58, 29 December 2014 (UTC)


 * Bg, Flash (Iggy Azalea song), Ain't Been Done (Jessie J song), TrapGold and Murda Bizness have now been full protected by me and/or other admins. FWIW, I've been through the whole debacle and I cannot see anything untoward in your admin actions. I would probably have done exactly the same. I haven't looked into to the socking aspect or blocked the disruptive editor (yet) but I have issued a final warning. I'm not quite sure what  wants exactly. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 01:42, 29 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Sockpuppet case filed at Sockpuppet investigations/Sabinbik Bgwhite (talk) 07:44, 29 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Dealt with. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 13:27, 29 December 2014 (UTC)

Happy New Year Bgwhite!


Happy New Year! Bgwhite, Have a prosperous, productive and enjoyable New Year, and thanks for your contributions to Wikipedia. Hafspajen (talk) 10:06, 31 December 2014 (UTC) Send New Year cheer by adding {{subst:Happy New Year 2015}} to user talk pages.

Jacqueline Iris Baskow page edit..
First, I'm new to creating Wikipedia pages and especially a biographic entry so I appreciate your taking an interest in my first attempt.

I am trying to get an understanding about how this all works with regard to citing references since everything seems to need a reference. It makes creating these entries a bit complicated, but that's apparently how it works.

I am curious as to why my reference to her IMDB page relating to her casting credits was not an acceptable reference and that whole paragraph got deleted?

Thanks again for your efforts.

The rajah (talk) 03:06, 31 December 2014 (UTC)


 * IMDb is not a reliable reference. Anybody can edit IMDb.  Anybody can edit Wikipedia.  Neither can be used as a refs because anybody can add anything they want.  There is no editorial control.  The article also sounded like an advertisement piece.  It wasn't neutral, example... " is an American entrepreneur, success story and businesswoman").   There had to be over 50 names dropped.  Awards were mentioned with no refs, with some (ie Enterprising Women of the Year 2009) that had no context.  In short, the article has to be neutral and referenced.  See WP:BLP for more info.  Bgwhite (talk)
 * See also WP:RS/IMDB and WP:ELPEREN. -- Red rose64 (talk) 11:44, 31 December 2014 (UTC)

Malaysia national football team
I recently found few FIFA, AFC and IFFHS evidence that Mokhtar Dahari the former Malaysian footballer did not score 125 goals. Because during 1972 and 1986 Malaysia scored approximately 110 goals, one player can't score 125. FIFA research suggests that Mokhtar Dahari scored 5 in 20 games. And the top scorer is actually Dollah Salleh. May i please get the chance to edit the top scorer. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hockeysoccertennis (talk • contribs) 1:32 pm, Today (UTC−7)
 * Anybody can edit any page. No need to ask for permission.  However, if you are going to change a number, please have a reference that backs up any statements. Bgwhite (talk) 21:00, 31 December 2014 (UTC)

Ok thanks Bgwhite and Happy New Year!. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hockeysoccertennis (talk • contribs) 08:54, 1 January 2015 (UTC)

Mala - once again
As per your comment, I am informing that you should check edit history of the user(Special:Contributions/NIjam1) who has recently made this change to this page, it is similar to -. You had protected the page in 23rd Dec and the user made edits only that day, after making 10 edits, he waited until today for adding the same change. Obvious duck account. Bladesmulti (talk) 18:22, 2 January 2015 (UTC)
 * As everyone of their edits were reverted as vandalism, I indef blocked them as vandalism only account. Bgwhite (talk) 21:34, 2 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Thank you and Happy New Year! Bladesmulti (talk) 21:36, 2 January 2015 (UTC)

Thank you
Hello Bgwhite, thank you very much for your edit on the Umar page. I was trying for days to learn how to correct that citation on Umm Kalthum on the Umar page. It was a big relief to find that it has been corrected. I am grateful. Also, I like your talk page. Would it be OK if I use the code for it? Mbcap (talk) 09:36, 3 January 2015 (UTC) • ) with Bulleted list. It's easier and it meets accessibility guidelines.  Bgwhite (talk) 11:10, 3 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Steal away... It's modified code that I originally stole.  FYI... In Umar's infobox, you should replace the bulleted lists (ie • Abdullah ibn Umar
 * Thank you, you are very kind. Yes I will keep that in mind next time. Mbcap (talk) 11:13, 3 January 2015 (UTC)

Feedback <<<<<<<<<<
Thank You For Helping and Improving AH++, but the before heading is much better. its ok, better goodluck. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Aaron maraya124 (talk • contribs) 03:29, 4 January 2015 (UTC)

Very Important <<<<<<<<<
Hello, Thanks for editing my article. i already know now that to use == ** == than this ===**=== -. it's much easier now. thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Aaron maraya124 (talk • contribs) 07:52, 4 January 2015 (UTC)

Weird bot edit
Alright, I seriously screwed up leaving a signature (this started with a Refdesk question about histamine...) but the bot made all sorts of odd changes, undoing journal formatting, removing the small tags around the D in D -alanine, etc. Presumably it went way too far back looking for a last valid history version. Wnt (talk) 14:51, 4 January 2015 (UTC)
 * It wasn't a bot edit, but a manual one. Of course, I am odd, therefore I only make odd edits. :)   In image captions, the text is already small.  Adding small tags make the text to become too small and fails accessibility guidelines.  See WP:NOSTRIKE.  I don't see any changes to journal formatting.  Identical references were combined.  Bgwhite (talk) 21:23, 4 January 2015 (UTC)
 * OK, I've undone my undo. Wnt (talk) 21:57, 4 January 2015 (UTC)