User talk:Bgwhite/Archive 43

Hedgeable
I spent a good ten minutes trying to spot the unclosed ref. Thanks for fixing. --Neil N  talk to me 07:46, 16 May 2015 (UTC)
 * AWB does come in handy. Thanks goes to the developers. Bgwhite (talk) 07:48, 16 May 2015 (UTC)

Opinion

 * Hello Bgwhite. Need your opinion on Bachelor in Homoeopathic Medicine & Surgery and on Diploma in Homoeopathic Medicine & Surgery. Do these articles 1) Fail WP:GNG and 2) Are promotional or WP:SPAM in nature? Please let me have your views. Many thanks,  Arun Kumar SINGH (Talk)  13:35, 16 May 2015 (UTC)


 * I don't think they fail GNG or they are Spam. However, I do think  has a point.  The information can be presented better in the Central Council of Homoeopathy article.  I'm not a fan of a topic having several small articles when one article would better serve the reader.... they can get the all the info in one spot.  As it stands now, I'd combine all three articles into one.
 * I think they could be stand-alone articles if more info is added. Is this degree available at multiple Universities?  What courses are needed for the degree?  Look at other "Degrees in" and "Degrees of" articles for examples.
 * Jeffro77, I understand why you did the redirect and would agree with you. However, after the 2nd round of reverts it became an edit war.  At the point you should have taken the articles to AfD and let others not involved decide.  Bgwhite (talk) 23:09, 16 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Prior to your confirmation that the articles are unnecessary, three editors other than myself&mdash;User:Erpert (the third opinion respondent), User:JamesBWatson (administrator), and User:The king of the sun (the editor who had also previously restored the redirects)&mdash;had also told AKS.9955 that the articles are not suitable. No editors have supported AKS.9955's position. It therefore seemed uncontroversial.-- Jeffro 77 (talk) 01:31, 17 May 2015 (UTC)
 * , I looked at the history of the two pages above, only you and The king of the sun did a revert. King of the sun has 133 edits.  I looked at the article's talk pages, while I didn't read it all, only you and Singh were discussing. I don't know where or what was said elsewhere. My advice still stands from what info I know, after a 2nd round of reverting you should have taken it to AfD. If you took it elsewhere after the 2nd round, depending on where it was, that was also a good thing. From what you've told me on JamesBWatson and Erpert agreeing, sounds like the third revert you did was valid.
 * I should note that I've had past experience with AKS.9955 in which they have asked me questions and help... including a talk message just above this one. I don't think he did any adminshopping and just asked me because he trusts my opinion. Bgwhite (talk) 02:53, 17 May 2015 (UTC)
 * The discussion continued at User_talk:JamesBWatson as a result of a false report AKS.9955 made about me about vandalism (which JamesBWatson immediately dismissed as false). The article Talk page also links back to the prior discussion in February which includes discussion by the third opinion respondent.
 * AKS.9955 latest action of restoring the article and then going to AfD seems to be a largely redundant attempt to make a point.-- Jeffro 77 (talk) 07:41, 17 May 2015 (UTC)


 * Thanks Bgwhite, I just went by the guidelines and despite reading all of them, I could not find any reason that go against the pages. I however, have also mentioned several times that should the pages not be in line then appropriate action as per defined guidelines should be taken; either mark the pages for AfD if it fails WP:GNGor if the pages are promotional (or WP:SPAM which is the same thing) in nature then again either AfD or tag it "Advert". If I am insisting for an action as per defined guidelines and rules from a non-admin, then am I wrong in it? As far as an admin is concerned, I am fine with any action taken. In this case, only non-admins have been redirecting the articles; latest being non registered user User:The king of the sun who comes out mysteriously sometimes and in this case came out after 4 days, did some random edits and ended day with these two pages precisely with complete knowledge of the subject (strange).
 * Just to impress upon the point of having separate articles, Central Council of Homoeopathy is lesser known than the two degrees mentioned. Also, my issue with Jeffro has been that he is not sure of what the real issue has been. He has used reasons such as 1) fail Wikipedia's notability guidelines. 2) They are not broadly recognised certifications 3) and the information that was in the articles was merely administrative in nature 4) could very likely be viewed as inappropriate promotion and 5) I have WP:COI. All I am keen in knowing is what is his real reason and based on what rules.
 * To end the discussion, I am restoring the reverts by Jeffro77 and then marking both for AfD. Hopefully that would sort the matters out by independent editor's votes. Cheers,  Arun Kumar SINGH (Talk)  06:30, 17 May 2015 (UTC)
 * I was going to yell at your for restoring them, but I see you added an AfD tag on them. I think this is good in the long run... It will settle the matter.
 * "Although I am neutral and also... " I think you meant "Although I am not neutral and also... "  Please add the not.  Bgwhite (talk) 06:58, 17 May 2015 (UTC)


 * Dear Bgwhite: Something in your message above caught my attention and I wish to answer the questions raised by you there. You said, quote "I think they could be stand-alone articles if more info is added. Is this degree available at multiple Universities? What courses are needed for the degree?  Look at other "Degrees in" and "Degrees of" articles for examples". Unquote. Following;


 * I think they could be stand-alone articles if more info is added: Agreed and I am sure I will have your understanding that articles evolve over a period of time with multiple editor's help. Out of all the articles I have written, I still have 40+ articles for further expansion (although they qualify WP:GNG, I feel it needs more details).
 * Is this degree available at multiple Universities: Yes more than 100 universities and colleges and several hundred thousand students have obtained these degrees till date.
 * What courses are needed for the degree:, Well this is the sore point actually. I had that information (section) in the article (admission criteria, just like in MBA) and was ,told that this is promotional, hence I deleted it.
 * Look at other "Degrees in" and "Degrees of" articles for examples": I did that and have quoted several examples and was told "WP:OSE".
 * As I mentioned above, I have nominated both pages for WP:AfD, something with Jeffro77 has been unable to do, despite me saying so and now you too. Lastly, (and I am not talking about an admin redirecting a page), I am of the opinion that a non-admin must not redirect such pages on his own simply because it does not fall under WP:POFRED. There is a reason why we have admins and then we have other users; let an admin decide if the page needs to be redirected. Personally I will just stick to the guidelines and not use my judgment until I am qualified enough to do so. Trust this explains. Cheers,

p.s. Sorry for the typo of not. Will correct it. Arun Kumar SINGH (Talk)  07:07, 17 May 2015 (UTC)


 * Start writing in information to the articles. It will help in your case.  If the articles are deleted, you can transfer the material into the main article.  Especially mention that the degree is available in over 100 universities.
 * Coursed needed for the degree: You mentioned what is needed before you get in.   How about give a sampling of courses that are required to obtain the degree.  For example Bachelor of Education says "A typical BEd program may include coursework in pedagogy, educational psychology, educational policy and leadership, assessment, curriculum development and lesson planning, social justice, special education, and instructional technology.".
 * Look at other "Degrees in" and "Degrees of" articles: That's not what I'm saying.  I'm saying look at the articles...  See what they have in them and do the same for yours.  The Bachelor of Education from above is an example of one.
 * Any person can make a page to a redirect. Jeffro77 was within their rights to do so.  I applaud Jeffro77 in starting a discussion on the talk page as most editors would not.  Things broke down on the talk page and it also turned into an edit war.  There is blame and praise to be had on both sides.  It should have been taken to AfD alot sooner.
 * Admins are just like any other editor, but with special abilities. No admin can simply do redirects and make it so.   Admins also have to take articles to AfD to have a redirect stick. Bgwhite (talk) 07:35, 17 May 2015 (UTC)


 * Copied Bgwhite, I will wait for the outcome of the AfD and take further action. Just a small mention, it was me who insisted for a discussion on the Talkpage before taking further action. Your comment on "admin and non-admin use" noted and understood. Much thanks for your time. Arun Kumar SINGH (Talk)  07:43, 17 May 2015 (UTC)

Borg designation of species Wikipedia admin
Both and  have edits on my talk page. From Jeffro77's user page, they say they are species 5618. How cool is to have species 5618 and their enemies, the Borg on my talk page. Geekgasm alert. The Borg has designated my species, Wikipedia admin, as 666. The Borg will not assimilate us as it will not help in their goal of obtaining perfection. Instead, if we are assimilated, we will lead the Borg into chaos. Bgwhite (talk) 07:45, 17 May 2015 (UTC)
 * The assignment of 666 as the Borg designation of Wikipedia admins implies not only that Wikipedia admins are not human, but also that they were encountered by the Borg long before the Borg encountered humans.-- Jeffro 77 (talk) 07:51, 17 May 2015 (UTC)
 * You are correct about us being non-human. The WP:RFA is a sham.  We only "nominate" and "pass" those of our species.  Sorry, but you will never be an admin.  We our an old and ancient species that move around the stars.  Other species have Wikipedia admins parasites, bloodsuckers, devils and Republicans on their worlds. Bgwhite (talk) 08:28, 17 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Republicans?! Egads!-- Jeffro 77 (talk) 08:32, 17 May 2015 (UTC)

Climate change sanctions alert
That article falls under these sanctions. Where you've been edit warring and making edits by using unreliable sources without consensus. Kindly refrain from doing that and asking same questions.  Occult Zone  (Talk • Contributions • Log) 10:14, 17 May 2015 (UTC)
 * You have alot of nerve. You are never to place anything on my talk page again.  You are forbidden here.  Just like you are at countless other people's talk page.  Bgwhite (talk) 21:20, 17 May 2015 (UTC)
 * I also noticed of the the 3 people who are against you on this discussion, you only placed this on my page. Egads.  Bgwhite (talk) 22:07, 17 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Bgwhite, better than the alert he posted in my talk page which I did not even know what he exactly wanted from me :) -- Magioladitis (talk) 22:38, 17 May 2015 (UTC)

SPURS National Honor Society
I appreciate all of you fixes on SPURS National Honor Society, but why the change for the date for Nevada Reno from 1962 to 1964?Naraht (talk) 02:04, 18 May 2015 (UTC)
 * That would be a mistake on my part. I haven't a clue why I did that.  Bgwhite (talk) 04:19, 18 May 2015 (UTC)
 * OK. I was hoping you actually had a source with a year on it which might be better than the 1968 Bairds (which doesn't have anything on the page actually about SPURS, but rather on the entries for the individual schools. Quite annoying...Naraht (talk) 04:43, 18 May 2015 (UTC)

Regarding personal attacks on 'Edit Summary' - Baidya
Dear, I would like to request you to review the personal attacks (on Edit Summary) against me as an admin and take any action that seems appropriate to you. The personal attacks are part of the 'Edit Summary' of the article on Baidya by an anon using the IP 117.194.* and are available in the Revision history dated 29th April 2015 & 17th May 2015. I have replied on the talk page on both the occasions. Thanks & Regards. Ekdalian (talk) 11:25, 18 May 2015 (UTC)

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Academic Inflation
@Bgwhite

Hey I added the sections to create a more substantial article. Instead of deleting please just change the references as necessary. Thank you, given the subject is a very personal one for a lot of people rather then press revert edit the page. This would allow people to recognize a modern world problem that's really not different from the other pages. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dgbug3 (talk • contribs) 02:54, 19 May 2015 (UTC)
 * It is your job to add references, not mine. You are the one adding the material.  You just added over 100 links.  They range from unreliable sources to good sources.  If they are just listed one after another, it does no good.  Please follow WP:CITE. Look at other articles and how they do them.  If you have specific questions, please ask me.   The article needs some severe cleaning up or it will be reverted again.  Bgwhite (talk) 04:18, 19 May 2015 (UTC)
 * What a mess. Makes you wonder how academic inflation expresses itself in daily life... Sorry.  Joshua Jonathan   -  Let's talk!   04:40, 19 May 2015 (UTC)

Problem with BG19bot - edit at Trerice
Your bot has made some strange edits to article Trerice on 03:12, 13 May 2015 which has resulted in several external links in refs being hidden. Where previously a ref was "See[External link]", your bot appears to have changed it to "[External link See]", which gave the result "See". (the word "See" was placed in front of the ext link to stop bot messages highlighting a bare URL). Please look at the reflist for the article. This is a problem which I would be grateful if you would address, thanks.(Lobsterthermidor (talk) 11:50, 18 May 2015 (UTC))
 * AWB did things correctly.  One doesn't use just "see" and one doesn't surround the url with brackets.  The "See" should be removed... Either put a title in the ref or remove the brackets.  They are also not external links.  If they are inside ref tags, they are references. Bgwhite (talk) 04:14, 19 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Noted, thanks.(Lobsterthermidor (talk) 10:58, 19 May 2015 (UTC))

T.Y. Lee conclusion
Hi, Did you delete the conclusion I added to the entry on the Malaysian architect T. Y. Lee? I was trying to add more context, to possibly move the article out of the stub class. There isn't much information available on this once important architect, so the info. is valuable. — Preceding unsigned comment added by MAHinch (talk • contribs) 10:06, 19 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia is not a report. We don't do conclusions.  Bgwhite (talk) 15:43, 19 May 2015 (UTC)

Thank you very much for correcting my formatting mistakes! Archeophis (talk) 05:53, 20 May 2015 (UTC)

2014 International Champions Cup
Hello. I just thought I should say make sure that you do not break anything with AWB. You seem to have made an odd edit on 2014 International Champions Cup that only broke the table on the page. The edit did not seem to do anything other than break the table and change the title to a perfectly fine reference. Not a huge deal, but just be careful in the future. Try previewing the page when doing more technical actions like that. Thanks. SAJ  (T)  20:44, 23 May 2015 (UTC)

Need an awake admin
A new user and their sock are running amok on Manhattan, mass-deleting stuff, edit-warring, and pretending to actually be at war with each other. I posted a notice on 's talk page over an hour ago, but like nearly every other admin in Christendom, he is AFK. Care to look and block them? The two accounts don't merit going through normal channels (have both been warned hours ago) because he is so obvious. I promise you they are the same person. Softlavender (talk) 08:21, 25 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Well, awake doesn't mean thinking. Then again, "thinking" and "admin" have never been used in the same sentence.  I protected the article and blocked HofstraStud, but I wasn't sure about  EliteSchoolKid.  Bgwhite (talk) 08:30, 25 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks for that. :-) Here's the tale on the puppetmaster: created  mere seconds after I warned him about edit-warring. HofstraStud began by backing up EliteSchoolKid's disruptive edits about Hofstra with "citations":, ; until I warned him about sockpuppetting. At that point, he went into an elaborate charade of arguing with his own sockpuppet , , etc., and went from disruption to wholesale vandalism. Since it's a holiday weekend in the U.S., he had quite a good time of it. Softlavender (talk) 08:53, 25 May 2015 (UTC)

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This edit broke something
Please can you fix it? --Dweller (talk) 11:46, 26 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Weird. Looks OK now. Ignore and thanks. --Dweller (talk) 15:41, 26 May 2015 (UTC)

A kitten for you!
Please don't delete The biggest economies Or no kitten!

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Edit to the St Helena Airport page (via bot)
Can you help me understand the significance of adding 'name="saint.fm"' to the tag [Line 143]? I ask because the link is to the St. Helena Independent, not to Saint FM. These are separate organisations, though the Independent does publish via Saint FM's website. Should the 'name="saint.fm"' be 'name="st. helena independent"', or some such? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Burgh House (talk • contribs) 12:05, 26 May 2015 (UTC)


 * It combined two refs into one. WP:NAMEDREFS can explain it better than I can.  Bgwhite (talk) 17:34, 26 May 2015 (UTC)

Manhattan
Hi, in Manhattan, on the "Eduacation and scholarly activites" section, could you please change " Yeshiva University, and a part of Hofstra University and Fordham University campuses. " to "Yeshiva University, Fordham University, and a part of Hofstra University campus." According to Fordham's website, it has two main campuses. Fordham has an 8 acre campus in Manhattan that includes general undergraduate Fordham college, both graduate and undergarduate business schools , School of law, School of social work, Graduate School of Arts and Sciences, School of Continuing and Professional Studies and School of Education.. Its a full campus with many buildings. As for Hofstra, they have executive MBA classes inside a room at Manhattan Eye, Ear and Throat Hospital in Manhattan. That might not be classified as a campus.--EliteSchoolKid (talk) 18:28, 25 May 2015 (UTC)

You have been reverted once again on Manhattan. And I can't help you because you protected the article.--EliteSchoolKid (talk) 19:46, 27 May 2015 (UTC)

Proposed decision posted for "OccultZone and others" arbitration case
Hi Bgwhite, in the open OccultZone and others arbitration case, a remedy or finding of fact has been proposed which relates to you. Please review this decision and draw the arbitrators' attention to any relevant material or statements. Comments may be brought to the attention of the committee on the proposed decision talk page. For a guide to the arbitration process, see Arbitration/Guide to arbitration. For the Arbitration Committee, Lankiveil (speak to me) 10:04, 28 May 2015 (UTC)

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Speedily deleted redirect
Please explain how a redirect to a disambiguation page is a "redirect to itself". I am trying to understand why a redlink seems to be the preferred option. I was advised earlier that such a redirect is the desired option because the disambiguation page contains information about the actor, which is better for the average reader since the redlink points nowhere. Thank you in advance for your input. EauZenCashHaveIt (I'm All Ears) 17:09, 2 June 2015 (UTC)
 * It was a redirect to itself.  A redirect from Jamie Jackson (actor) to Jamie Jackson is also going to be deleted.  People don't type in "Jamie Jackson (actor)", they just look for "Jamie Jackson".   Jamie Jackson (actor) should not be included on the disambig page.  Generally, there should be no redlinks on disamb pages per MOS:DABRL, WP:REDLINK and WP:LISTPEOPLE.
 * The advice given by that there should be no redlinks is wrong and he pointed to an essay and not policy.  WP:REDLINK clearly says redlinks are fine.  If any person is removing redlinks because they don't like them, they should stop.
 * If Jamie Jackson is not going to be notable in the foreseeable future, then there should be no links, just leave his name as text. I did a quick look and Jackson maybe notable in the future.  This is tough because it is a grey area.  I can understand anyone saying there should or shouldn't be a redlink in this case.  Personally, I wouldn't link him.  Just leave his name as text.  If he does become notable, it is easy enough to add them later. Bgwhite (talk) 20:29, 2 June 2015 (UTC)
 * That was EXACTLY my point! The trouble is that both Midas02 and Bkonrad have been forcefully inserting that redlink into the articles and the disambiguation page for several weeks now, and being thoroughly tired of the unnecessary edit war, I created the redirect as a middle ground. The redirect pointed to the disambiguation page James Jackson☆, which is currently the only page (besides the draft) that actually contains information about this actor. The disambiguators are still insisting that the redlink be everywhere, including on the disambiguation page. Please advise. EauZenCashHaveIt (I'm All Ears) 00:45, 3 June 2015 (UTC)
 * ...aaand we're back to April 24 . EauZenCashHaveIt (I'm All Ears) 01:54, 3 June 2015 (UTC)
 * I left a message on the talk page. I also pinged a disambig specialist.  Bgwhite (talk) 02:05, 3 June 2015 (UTC)

Ochsenkopf
Thanks for your edits but did you swap two references (Dunning and Atkinson) to make them alphabetical? They were consecutive. I haven't got a clue about the abbreviated citations using the <> system, hence me changing some broken ones to, I only really understand sfn's. RegardsKeith-264 (talk) 05:51, 3 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Alot of refs were changed, especially to named refs. If swaps were done, then they were numerical order.  That article could really use a conversion to sfns.  Bgwhite (talk) 06:31, 3 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Quite agree, it's finding the time. PS sometimes there's a clean-up edit where the original passage has a minus sign in the margin and the amended one a plus sign but no obvious change to the new version, don't suppose you know why? RegardsKeith-264 (talk) 06:45, 3 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Pffft... time. That's no excuse (as my wife says as she hits me an orders me do it now).  Do you have an example?  Adding/Removing a blank line is the first thing that pops into my mind.  Bgwhite (talk) 06:50, 3 June 2015 (UTC)
 * I doubt it's that because someone puts them back en masse after auto ed takes them out here's one.Keith-264 (talk) 06:54, 3 June 2015 (UTC)
 * The diff you gave is adding and deleting lines. A blank line is added above the section headings per MOS:HEAD... The heading must be typed on a separate line. Include one blank line above the heading...  At the bottom, in the external links section, it is removing a blank line.  Bgwhite (talk) 07:04, 3 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Ah, I see, I've spent ages peering at them looking for an elusive comma. ;O) Regards Keith-264 (talk) 07:06, 3 June 2015 (UTC)

Arbitration/Requests/Case/OccultZone and others closed
An arbitration case regarding OccultZone and other editors has now closed and the final decision is viewable at the link above. The following remedies have been enacted:


 * 1) User:OccultZone is banned indefinitely from English Wikipedia. They may appeal the ban after twelve months, and every six months thereafter.
 * 2) User:OccultZone is also topic banned from making edits related to a) sexual assault or b) crime on the Indian Subcontinent, both broadly construed.
 * 3) User:OccultZone is indefinitely limited to operating a single account.

For the Arbitration Committee, Lankiveil (speak to me) 12:27, 3 June 2015 (UTC).


 * Discuss this at: Wikipedia talk:Arbitration Committee/Noticeboard

Follow up on ref's
Thanks Bgwhite, this has been extremely helpful. I will work on the ref's then get back to you before I recreate the page. Many thanks for your help. Hpe3121 (talk) 07:42, 4 June 2015 (UTC)

sigh pic
 I noticed you sigh on the talk of the missed master of the pics, - here's one he found for me, - about consolation see my user page, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:26, 4 June 2015 (UTC)

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HISTMERGE request
Hello Bgwhite! I would like to request you for an HISTMERGE of Draft:Mike and Dave Need Wedding Dates into the mainspace article Mike and Dave Need Wedding Dates, without leaving a redirect. Thanks. -- Captain Assassin! «T ♦ C ♦ G» 15:18, 2 June 2015 (UTC)
 * When it comes to a history merger, I'm not comfortable doing them... I'll probably mess it up somehow. Bgwhite (talk) 21:56, 2 June 2015 (UTC)
 * You should be practicing on it. I've requested it to another admin, he is probably on vacation, so if you can try it would be better. And another thing, please move Draft:The Founder (film) to The Founder (film) without leaving a redirect. Thanks. -- Captain Assassin! «T ♦ C ♦ G» 04:26, 3 June 2015 (UTC)
 * You should try for the merge. -- Captain Assassin! «T ♦ C ♦ G» 10:45, 3 June 2015 (UTC)
 * I am unclear why we need a history merge here. It doesn't seem like they copy/pasted your version into the mainspace.  All this would do is modify the history to show you as the creator, which is not what happened.  If you wan to change the mainspace article, that is fine, but throwing your edits at the start of an article someone else created does not seem right. --kelapstick(bainuu) 11:04, 3 June 2015 (UTC)
 * I was working on the article in draft-space, and that's why the drafts are, we can merge them into the mainspace if someone creates the article without knowing the draft. -- Captain Assassin! «T ♦ C ♦ G» 16:41, 3 June 2015 (UTC)
 * But again, that gives the impression that you created the article that is in the mainspace, which you did not. It attaches a false history to the article, and that is not what history merging is for. --kelapstick(bainuu) 21:04, 7 June 2015 (UTC)

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Rolls-Royce table
Hi BGWhite. Please would you give me instructions as to where I can learn the best way to make this table respond to readers' screen size. Thanks, Eddaido (talk) 09:30, 8 June 2015 (UTC)
 * I'm not exactly sure on that table. The main problem is the large images.  Photos larger than 100px are hard and the cars are over 250px.  The bottom big text box is another issue.  My first guess would be to make the image part of the top row... How this table  has photos part of the row.  Bgwhite (talk) 23:00, 8 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Thank you. I'll work on implementing your suggestions. Thanks, Eddaido (talk) 23:45, 8 June 2015 (UTC)

Stormy Atmosphere band article
Dear Bgwhite

You were warmly recommended to me by Dontreader.

He said that in the past you'd helped him a lot and I hope that finally my issue will be fixed.

I wrote an article about a band named Stormy Atmosphere (the link to the article is in the title)

It was declined many times since I am a beginner in my Wiki journey, but people like Dontreader helped me a lot and I learned my lessons.

So I resubmitted my article again almost a month ago, meanwhile it's still waiting for approval, and I think that other articles get before him for some reason, because I had less than a 1000 articles before mine two weeks ago and now it's more than 1300 (!)

I contacted FoCuSandLeArN - the moderator who asked me about the article, and he says that if the band hasn't been in a chart it's not notable and the article will be declined...

Can I get another opinion somehow?

Please don't get me wrong, but as far as I've checked, being in a chart is not the only notability criteria for a band.

For instance, I believe if a band is signed up in a label from another country is enough for notability, right?

(Please check the [metalscraprecords.com] website, a cd section - Stormy Atmosphere are already signed there, and the album "Pent Letters" will be out soon under the label promotion.)

Moreover, Stormy Atmosphere has enough proofs of existence and proofs of performances hand-to-hand with world-famous artists (Mike Terrana, Pain of Salvation, Andromeda, The Flower Kings), and have an album where a famous singer participates (Tom Englund). Besides, I believe that "Fireworks" magazine is independent enough, and they did write about the band in 2009 (the reference to the magazine is in the article: Baldrian, Nicky (8 October 2009). "The music is out there". Fireworks (37): 88.)

Again, don't get me wrong, but for almost a year I find myself having this conversation again and again with many Wiki moderators, and finally they do agree that Stormy Atmosphere deserves being mentioned, but then the article goes to another moderator and I got to explain everything from the beginning...

Thank you for your time and please consider my persistence, I'll be much obliged for your help

Silverray123 (talk) 14:52, 4 June 2015 (UTC)


 * I don't know... is very shifty and smells funny.  I'd use my mother-in-law as a reference over Dontreader. :)   Music is not one of my specialties, but I can have look.  For bands in non "popular" genres, it can be harder to get an article because mainstream press ignores them.  This is going to require some time to look at the sources and how reliable they are.  Give me a day or two.   Bgwhite (talk) 18:16, 4 June 2015 (UTC)


 * Bgwhite, I cannot believe you said that to the only person on Wikipedia who had some respect for me. Actually, I was going to tell you how to have your own article on the Malagasy language Wikipedia. I had already paid off the key people there, just for you. But now you can forget about it. No one in Madagascar will ever learn about Bgwhite's legendary accomplishments . But that's not all. I swear I will marry Meghan from the Redhead Express before you can get divorced and get out of that nightmare with your mother-in-law. I sent Meghan lots of Swiss chocolate, the finest, and look at the private video she sent back to show her deep gratitude. I just wanted to have a sweet friendship with her but now I'll marry her out of spite. Dontreader (talk) 20:43, 4 June 2015 (UTC)

Dear Bgwhite,

Please inform me if you had time to check the article, I can't wait to receive an answer about it. Thanks a lot!

I spoke to FoCuSandLeArN, but he doesn't want to accept any proofs and says that all my references are too minor for him. I'm stuck again and you guys are the only people to help me with this never-ending "saga"...

Another thing: there is some weird line that appeared in my article (Dontreader noticed that too),

and I would like to know if it's something important, or pasted accidentally by one of the moderators, and - maybe that's the reason the article approval is delayed...

That's the line:

" Sailor|declinets=20150309002950|ts=20150303164456}} "

And another thing: The band officially informed that they were signed up at [metalscraprecords.com], and their second album Pent Letters will be officially released worldwide at September 2015 - will it help if I add this to the article?

Thanks a lot, Silverray123 (talk) 10:35, 9 June 2015 (UTC)


 * Most venerable Bgwhite, I checked the page where drafts are waiting to be reviewed (I submitted one too - you've got to admit I have excellent taste), and I'm quite sure that it's almost this person's turn, so no action is needed, unless the draft is declined, in which case you must overrule that abomination because that's what administrators are here for. Dontreader (talk) 01:06, 10 June 2015 (UTC)


 * It doesn't matter if the reference comes from a minor or major source. All thats matters is that the source is independent and reliable.  Nowhere in WP:VERIFY does it say major or minor.  Of course, if the reference is in Haaretz or Yedioth Ahronoth rather than some small town newspaper, it sure does help.
 * The concert announcements don't count. In your refs (JAMI Fest for example) just lists the group.  As info usually comes from the group, any in-depth info usually doesn't count.
 * Blogs and Facebook also don't count.
 * ProgStage, Metalist and Nitelinx refs are dead.
 * Sea Of Tranquility, Metalist Magazine, Music Waves, Progressor and Metal Temple appear to be the only refs that could count towards notability. The problem with these is that they are reviews for the albums.  I'm not a music expert, but this looks iffy at best.   The best route I see, is to copy the article from Draft space to Article space and bypass articles for creation.   If somebody wants an article to be deleted, it would have to go before Articles for deletion.  Usually it takes multiple people to say "delete" for an article to be deleted.
 * I'm not a fan of heavy metal, but there is a great group. Dontreader, I suggest watching the following videos   .  Bgwhite (talk) 07:35, 10 June 2015 (UTC)


 * Bgwhite, thanks so much for taking some time to analyze the draft and the overall situation. I was able to bring Progstage and Nitelinx back from the dead. The Metalist refs still work for me. I agree that Facebook is not ideal but sometimes primary sources are used if there is no reason to doubt the information, such as if an artist provides certain facts on Twitter or Facebook like at what age they picked up a guitar for the first time. But probably this Facebook claim is more important. Anyway, your solution sounds great. I know how to create articles from scratch without going through draft reviews first. So please, in this case how can get the draft into article space and delete the draft that is awaiting a review? I have no clue.


 * Finally, I had prayed fervently for an hour right before you showed me those hellish Lordi videos. I was particularly fond of the doll video, which apparently the girl offers as a sacrifice. But now I have to pray again for another hour, and it's after 3 in the morning. It's the only way to sort of keep my 17 demons under control. And I must emphasize sort of. Oh darn it, I'm beginning to levitate again. Dontreader (talk) 09:23, 10 June 2015 (UTC)
 * I have not seen the spawn of Satan for over a month. This was due to me being sick and her getting surgery (can't remember if it was wing or horn surgery).  When I do see it, I will ask that it spare you of some of her demons.  17 does seem a bit drastic, even for her.  You are lucky if you are just levitating.  The demons cause me to spew forth from my mouth...  much messier to clean up.  Bgwhite (talk) 21:47, 10 June 2015 (UTC)

Thanks a lot for all your help,

I believe there is nothing to worry then, if there're some references that seem okay to you guys, and I really bet a lot on the Fireworks magazine reference, since it's a well-known paper.

About moving it to Articles section - won't I be punished by some raging Wiki editor with some forever-deleting? After all this long-term saga of being declined, I'd like to go as straight as possible... How does it work best?

Best Silverray123 (talk) 13:23, 10 June 2015 (UTC)
 * It is not necessary to create an article via AFC. However, it is recommend for new users because one can get feedback.  If anybody does punish you by going bezerk, they are out of line.  The downside to this.. if it is deleted via Articles for Deletion, it deleted and you can't recreate it unless something major happens to the group.   There should be a "move" tab at the top.  Click on it and move the article.   You will need to edit the article to remove all the Article for Creation boxes. Bgwhite (talk) 21:47, 10 June 2015 (UTC)

Mustoi Balouch
I couldn't really remove it by Prod, because no reason was specified. I can immediately tell there are problems, but I do not want to judge by myself whether they could be solved by rewriting. Please use afd.  DGG ( talk ) 15:15, 10 June 2015 (UTC)


 * I have AfD'd it. Did a bit of a clean up and a bit of a search - unlike usually, I didn't bother with anything overly detailed because I think you and I both know that this is a hopeless case, though the tribe does exist. That's experience, I guess: every recent DGG dePROD about a caste/tribe seems to have ended up being deleted anyway when it got to AfD. I'll probably get lambasted for not checking Urdu sources, nonetheless. - Sitush (talk) 17:22, 10 June 2015 (UTC)
 * I understand DGG's reasoning in this case. The same editor has been causing havoc in Mastoi.  I truly don't know how you can keep all this straight, especially with all the older info being bad.  Bgwhite (talk) 21:09, 10 June 2015 (UTC)


 * It is simple. Add Mastoi to the AfD. It is not going to get sourced in any meaningful way. We've really got to get a grip on this over-inclusionism. The good faith default to include is precisely why we end up with crap and trouble like this, and it drains both the time and the morale of regulars. - Sitush (talk) 04:35, 11 June 2015 (UTC)

Meghan Trainor
Did you mean to do this? --Neil N  <i style="color:blue">talk to me</i> 05:11, 12 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Edit summary. Bgwhite (talk) 05:13, 12 June 2015 (UTC)
 * You might want to explain in more detail on the talk page where three editors are working on changes. --<b style="color:navy">Neil N </b> <i style="color:blue">talk to me</i> 05:16, 12 June 2015 (UTC)

Deleted article due to copyright infringement (G12)
Hello Bgwhite, This is my first article and I have just figured out how to contact you so please bear with me. You have deleted my article titled "Darren Woolley" due to a G12 copyright infringement. This article is about Darren Woolley, the CEO of TrintyP3.com. The information in question is about Darren and I have permission from Darren to use it. It is a paraphrased paragraph about his early work life. I don't know how to rewrite this information without mentioning where he started his career. I have also cited his "about Darren Woolley" page on the TrinityP3 website as the source. Can you please give me some direction as to how I can restore this page without having to worry about any further deletions? Much appreciated.Hpe3121 (talk) 07:17, 3 June 2015 (UTC)
 * This is the right way to contact me. The problem is that under U.S. Law, there has to be written permission to use copyrighted material.  You can use the TrinityP3 webpage as a source, but you will need to put it in your own words.
 * Not sure what you are doing, but the article looks horrible. The sandbox page is much better.  Somehow you are copy/pasting it wrong.
 * You are going to need to add inline refs, and not just list the refs at the end of the article. See Help:Footnotes for more info.
 * I'd work on your sandbox page. Remove the copyright problems and work on the refs.  When you are ready, give me a yell.  I can look it over and then I can hopefully move it to article space. Bgwhite (talk) 07:28, 3 June 2015 (UTC)

Thank you Bgwhite. This is a big help. I will follow your advice and get back to you when I have updated the article in the Sandbox. Very much appreciated!Hpe3121 (talk) 07:41, 3 June 2015 (UTC)

Hello Bgwhite, I worked in the Sandbox and cited all the references as you suggested. Please check my page in the Sandbox to ensure it is ok to cut and paste to my article page - "Darren Woolley".

Also, I don't know why, but when I cut and pasted from the Sandbox to the 'Darren Woolley' page the last time, something weird happened and the page looked horrible. If I have the same issue, can I call on you to help me with this?

Copyright infringement issue

The copyright infringement issue was flagged from this page - http://www.trinityp3.com/people/management-team/darren-woolley/ ie =>Darren Woolley started his working life as a scientist at the Royal Children’s Hospital Neuropathology Laboratory in Melbourne, Australia, undertaking research in myopathies, neuropathies, Sudden Infant Death Syndrome and Repetitive Strain Injury.

I rewrote it (below) but it is still contains several of the same nouns which can't be helped. It's a tough one. Is this ok? At the beginning of his career, Woolley worked at the Melbourne Royal Children's Hospital Neuropathology Laboratory, Australia, as a scientist under Dr Xenia Dennett. The research Woolley carried out was on Sudden Infant Death Syndrome, Repetitive Strain Injury, neuropathies and myopathies.

Many thanks and very much appreciated Hpe3121 (talk) 00:23, 4 June 2015 (UTC)


 * I did some cleaning up.  The reason why it looks bad when you copy it over is because you are using tabs.  It appears you are copying/pasting from another source and its not in wiki format.  Wiki format is not text or html.  You might want to use Visual Editor... click the "edit" tab and not the "edit source" tab.


 * The refs you used in the article were not refs. It needs to source what the previous statement says.  If he is the Telecast Liaison, then you need to give the webpage where it says this, not the homepage to the telethon.  Without these refs, the page will still be deleted.


 * I removed the education section, speaking section and the section on the companies. These are not needed.  The article is about Woolley, not his company.  I'm not sure what to do with the articles and reference sections... the could be refs and combined into the article.


 * Do you have the ISBN numbers for the books? ISBN should be used over ASIN numbers.


 * The redone sentence looks good. Bgwhite (talk) 04:49, 4 June 2015 (UTC)

Hello Bgwhite, I have updated the ref's on the page and deleted the 'References' list that I had originally created. I have also added the ISBN numbers for the books and tidied up the 'Articles' list using Wiki format. Please check my page and let me know how I'm doing? Is it ready to go yet? Thank you for your help once again. I really do appreciate this. Hpe3121 (talk) 04:55, 5 June 2015 (UTC)


 * One ISBN number is bad (12 digits) and the other doesn't register at WorldCat.
 * "The Most Powerful People in Advertising since 2005" needs a reference.
 * Do you have refs for the last two paragraph in "Early Working Life and Career" section.
 * Bgwhite (talk) 06:38, 6 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Bgwhite (talk) 06:38, 6 June 2015 (UTC)

Thanks again for you help with this Bgwhite. In appreciation Hpe3121 (talk) 01:14, 10 June 2015 (UTC)
 * I am in the process of getting the correct ISBN numbers.
 * I have referenced "The Most Powerful People in Advertising since 2005"
 * I have referenced the first of the last 2 paragraphs in the "Early Working Life and Career" section. I don't know if this reference is ideal. It talks about the host of the show in the text and Darren Woolley isn't mentioned as co-host until you click on the podcast (on the same page) where he is introduced as the co-host. If this is not ok, I won't have a reference for this. Do I have to have one?
 * I am looking for a reference for the second of the last 2 paragraphs in the "Early Working Life and Career" section. Again, do I have to have a reference? Darren Woolley does this job as a volunteer.


 * In theory, every statement needs a reference. The problem with Woolley is he is borderline "notable".   The article could still be deleted for Woolley not being notable.  The best way to overcome that is to have references about Woolley that doesn't come Woolley or one of his companies.  So, showing you have refs for the statements, will head off any deletion.  Bgwhite (talk) 06:20, 10 June 2015 (UTC)

Ok, thanks - good advice. I have added the correct ISBN to the 2014 book. Still waiting on the 2013 ISBN. Is the reference for the first of the last 2 paragraphs in the "Early Working Life and Career" section not good. Would it be better to remove the statements if I can't find a suitable reference? Also, if I removed the 2013 book until I get the ISBN (and the statements), would it be OK to publish it? Basically, what more would I need to do to publish it asap? Thanks again, this has been a big learning curve for me. Hpe3121 (talk) 08:34, 10 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Hello again Bgwhite. With regard to my earlier message:
 * I have removed the unreferenced statements from 'Early Working Life and Career'.
 * I have also removed the 2013 book as I don't have the correct ISBN.
 * Please advise if I can publish this on Darren Woolley's Wikipedia page.
 * In appreciation Hpe3121 (talk) 09:40, 11 June 2015 (UTC)


 * One thing. You say he has been in the AdNews Power 50 since 2005, but the ref is only for 2005.  Need to add a ref for each year he was in.  After that, copy it over to article space.  Bgwhite (talk) 20:49, 11 June 2015 (UTC)

Hello Bgwhite, I have updated the citation for the "AdNews Power 50" and "since 2005". I will copy it over to the article space now. I can't thank you enough for your patience and help. Hpe3121 (talk) 01:15, 12 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Removing the copyright notice won't help. Need to fix the issue.  I've done some editing, so hopefully that fixes things.  Bgwhite (talk) 04:38, 12 June 2015 (UTC)

Thanks Bgwhite, you're a legend! :-) Hpe3121 (talk) 05:27, 12 June 2015 (UTC)

Audrey Capel Doray
Hi BG. I've removed all the dross from this article which you had previously removed but was re-added by the article's creator yesterday. Can you continue to keep an eye on it? I'm sort of at my wits end with that editor. See my latest "conversation" with her. Nothing seems to sink in. It all goes to show that no good deed goes unpunished, I guess. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 11:09, 10 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Hmmm, do I revert your edits to continue your luck with good deeds? :)  I've added the page to my watchlist.  Bgwhite (talk) 21:12, 10 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Very funny and thanks muchly for putting the article on your watchlist At least this isn't one of my other "good deeds" which resulted in a sock's harassment on my talk page that had to oversighted. UGH! Best, Voceditenore (talk) 09:31, 12 June 2015 (UTC)

A kitten for you!
Thank you for the help fixing grammatical errors on the Zumrud Gulu-zade page.

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Ed Miliband
Hi, your edit here was quite big and just wondering if we could discuss this... there was a lot of content and well-referenced from a book about Miliband's role as Leader of the Opposition so wondering why you thought it needed reverting and if perhaps we should take this to Talk:Ed Miliband. SocialDem (talk) 17:14, 12 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Your content was very well-referenced and written.  The edit you made was huge in size with most of it unnecessary.  An example is the "One Nation Labour" section.  Instead of three large paragraphs, it should be one at most and maybe a  at the top.  "Cost-of-living focus" is another as it is three paragraphs which also seem unnecessary.   It's common for a current politician to have alot of "stuff" thrown in, which is later paired down after a few years...  History has a way of showing what is and isn't important.  Bgwhite (talk) 23:41, 12 June 2015 (UTC)

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Generating Check-wiki again
Hi BGWhite,

if you remember that maybe half a year ago you generated for me error lists similar to Check-Wikipedia project for a non-wmf wiki at wikiskripta.eu. I would like to kindly ask you to generate the whole list once again if you would have the time. The dump is available at http://www.wikiskripta.eu/WSdump2.gz

Thank you in advance! --Wesalius (talk) 18:01, 15 June 2015 (UTC)
 * .  Hopefully, I've done the right.   Download te file at https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B7UjCKI9kkHwZk45WjRNM2dEa0E  Bgwhite (talk) 19:20, 15 June 2015 (UTC)

2015 Speedway World Cup pages
Hi BGWhite,

Can you please explain why you have marked the 2015 Speedway World Cup Final, 2015 Speedway World Cup Race-off and 2015 Speedway World Cup Event 2 pages for speedy deletion. Similar pages exist for every Speedway World Cup from 2001 to 2013, so why are these allowed if 2015 is not? This took a lot of time to produce and give individual scores for each round of the World Cup. The 2015 Speedway World Cup page is the overall page for the World Cup.

Thank you! --Johnny2hats2 (talk) — Preceding undated comment added 21:41, 15 June 2015 (UTC)

Get Well Soon
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Support request with team editing experiment project
Dear tech ambassadors, instead of spamming the Village Pump of each Wikipedia about my tiny project proposal for researching team editing (see here: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:IdeaLab/Research_team_editing), I have decided to leave to your own discretion if the matter is relevant enough to inform a wider audience already. I would appreciate if you could appraise if the Wikipedia community you are more familiar with could have interest in testing group editing "on their own grounds" and with their own guidance. In a nutshell: it consists in editing pages as a group instead of as an individual. This social experiment might involve redefining some aspects of the workflow we are all used to, with the hope of creating a more friendly and collaborative environment since editing under a group umbrella creates less social exposure than traditional "individual editing". I send you this message also as a proof that the Inspire Campaign is already gearing up. As said I would appreciate of *you* just a comment on the talk page/endorsement of my project noting your general perception about the idea. Nothing else. Your contribution helps to shape the future! (which I hope it will be very bright, with colors, and Wikipedia everywhere) Regards from User:Micru on meta. — Preceding unsigned comment added by MediaWiki message delivery (talk • contribs) 09:32, 30 April 2015 (UTC)

Get well soon!
Dear Bgwhite, please get well soon. I have no one else to bother here. The sooner you stop saying unkind things about your mother-in-law, the sooner you'll recover. By the way, I talked with her over the phone. She had a broken claw. Poor thing. Anyway, I hope you like this painting, which I drew specifically for you, to make your page look even nicer. Dontreader (talk) 05:05, 20 June 2015 (UTC)

Ignorant Art
In November 2014 you made 7 reverts on this article including 5 within 24 hours. You then protected the page to keep your preferred version. There is no discussion on the talk page and the article never went to AfD. This doesn't look appropriate to me; can you explain further? &mdash; Martin (MSGJ · talk) 12:08, 17 June 2015 (UTC)
 * MSGJ, Sabinbik has been blocked for sock-puppeting. Iggyazalealover99 was a sockpuppet of Sabinik too. Bgwhite is having some health issues, so I decided to reply instead of him. -- Magioladitis (talk) 20:27, 18 June 2015 (UTC)
 * That does not seem to explain it at all. But I'll wait for Bgwhite to respond himself, and I'll wish him/her a speedy recovery. &mdash; Martin (MSGJ · talk) 21:04, 20 June 2015 (UTC)

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Revert without any reason
Hello, recently you reverted my changes on page Ghazipur. While I didn't add or reduced anything, I had moved some lines from background section to a new section, as that is more relevant and I would like it to do so again. But before that I wanted to understand your reasons. I had made only one change, you can see that marked through my user name. Thank You Durgesh (talk) 15:29, 2 July 2015 (UTC)
 * I didn't revert you. I reverted the IP that has been constantly reverted for several months now.  You just got caught up in the mess.  However, your addition didn't contain any references.  So, you need to add some.  Bgwhite (talk) 21:40, 2 July 2015 (UTC)

Way of listing a sub-category
Hello Bgwhite,

I recently created the category Onomasticon (which is works on the subject of proper names) and wanted to list this as a sub-category to Onomastics, but couldn't find any way to do this via the Edit function, could you help please? thanks Whalestate (talk) 10:06, 3 July 2015 (UTC)

My mind just understood how to do the thing I was needing help in. Really, although I have eyes, sometimes the light passes through my retina to my brain where it must just sit and do nothing, and another part of my brain trying to understand is kept separately. A back-log of unprocessed info perhaps (from my gut maybe). Okay shark! swim happy! Whalestate (talk) 11:13, 3 July 2015 (UTC)


 * I see you suffer with Bgwhite disease. It's a condition where if the answer whacks you on the head, you feel no pain because of lack of brain function.  I'm sorry, but there is no cure.  Bgwhite (talk) 23:56, 3 July 2015 (UTC)

Christopher Stevens
Thanks for the revert! Left 'John Jones' by mistake! Looks good now. Llywelyn2000 (talk) 08:03, 4 July 2015 (UTC)

Thank you
Thank you for your constructive edits to the Vaginal Flora article. From Barbara Page via mobile phone. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bfpage (talk • contribs) 13:27, 4 July 2015 (UTC)

Bot adding mismatched braces
[//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Peroni_Brewery&type=revision&diff=669141432&oldid=668973161 this is odd], the spurious ending braces should not have been added. Frietjes (talk) 22:51, 30 June 2015 (UTC)
 * My middle name is odd.  Oh ...  Bgwhite (talk) 23:01, 30 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Oh Rjwilmsi. -- Magioladitis (talk) 23:05, 30 June 2015 (UTC)

It was caused due to the unclosed ref tag above. . -- Magioladitis (talk) 23:22, 30 June 2015 (UTC)

fixes it. -- Magioladitis (talk) 07:12, 5 July 2015 (UTC)

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Stop violating of the good faith rules by banning other-pints editors!
Please go to the discussion and stop imposing distributive banns over the topic with the Bulgarian Ruler's titles! --212.5.158.188 (talk) 07:37, 2 July 2015 (UTC)


 * I don't know who is and I didn't block them.  But, they did pique my interest.    I've put page protection on Tervel of Bulgaria, Kardam of Bulgaria, Malamir of Bulgaria, Krum and Kotrag for one month.  Give a yell if you run into more problems in the future.  I got the names and articles from Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents  Bgwhite (talk) 08:13, 2 July 2015 (UTC)


 * Hi, BGWithe! - PLease, could you explain why all this war is going on and what are the fruits of it, which you may enjoy, as long as I do not see any?! What is wrong with this wiki-circles of editors if they can not discuss so simple things as the historical facts which were questioned here?! - Why you had locked all this pages without even to check of what is going around?! - It seems that you had supported the wrong team. Good night! --213.91.244.2 (talk) 18:00, 7 July 2015 (UTC)


 * Dear, how ever the Life is long and interesting! - Please, could you make your best to explain to the public why your editions should stay "on air" still month more?! Regards and good night! --213.91.244.2 (talk) 18:04, 7 July 2015 (UTC)
 * User:213.91.244.2, please see the discussion at Talk:Krum. Laszlo Panaflex (talk) 19:13, 7 July 2015 (UTC)

Linebreak in the gallery on the Shirley page
Hi Bgwhite. Thanks for tidying the gallery on the Shirley, Southampton article. Unfortunately it needs the linebreak to make the gallery display correctly when the captions are different lengths. The problem seems to arise when the shortest caption ends up on the right hand side of the screen, so you wouldn't necessarily see it on every screen. If you know of a better solution, please go ahead and implement it. It's just occurred to me, as I type this, that rearranging the gallery to put the shortest caption first may work so if you don't have another idea, I'll try that. Regards, Northernhenge (talk) 20:09, 6 July 2015 (UTC)
 * That is weird. I'm not sure what to do as I tried playing around with it.   Do you have an idea?  From the history, goto my first edit and change your browser's width.  Bgwhite (talk) 20:39, 6 July 2015 (UTC)
 * This image was poking down just enough that the width is constrained. When you use, it affects the whole gallery; if you use the <gallery ></gallery> tags, the images flow around the obstruction, as seen at User:Redrose64 - notice how the userboxes reduces the number of images on the first row by 1, but the second is full-width. I fixed it at Shirley, Southampton by adding to force the top of the gallery to be below the bottom of the last non-gallery image. -- Red rose64 (talk) 21:32, 6 July 2015 (UTC)
 * The Salisbury Arms caption is one line long and breaks the appearance of the gallery. If you add a linebreak to the caption, it becomes two lines long and the format of the gallery then looks correct. Adding a HTML linebreak fixes the problem, but it seems inelegant to end a caption with a linebreak. I suspect rearranging the gallery would solve this particular problem but maybe there's a more general solution. hasn't solved the problem. --Northernhenge (talk) 22:08, 6 July 2015 (UTC)
 * It would help if you described the problem that you see. It's not at all clear what "tidying the gallery" and "make the gallery display correctly" actually mean. I looked at the page, and I saw a problem - that is, I saw nine images in three rows of four, one and four, with the single image in the middle row (The Salisbury Arms) directly below the fourth image (The Crown, Shirley High Street) of the first row, and a large blank area below the first three images (The Old Thatched House in Old Shirley through v). Adding

gives two rows of five and four, evenly spaced. This, to me, has both tidied the gallery and made it display correctly. -- Red rose64 (talk) 22:36, 6 July 2015 (UTC)

When I first made the gallery, it looked like this: XXXXX X XXX I eventually guessed that the problem was caused by the caption on The Salisbury Arms. The ones before it are two lines long. So I added an HTML line break to the Salisbury Arms and sure enough it came out like this: XXXXX XXXX Bgwhite then edited the page to remove the linebreak and of course the problem came back. I asked on this (Bgwhite's) talk page if there was a better solution than my inelegant linebreak which Bgwhite had deleted (and I reverted the deletion for now) hence this discussion. I don't think the clear template solved it because if I now remove the break, the incorrect layout comes back. Now it is late and my internet is on a go-slow so I'll be away for a few hours but thanks to both of you for your help. it's a bit of a mystery. --Northernhenge (talk) 23:40, 6 July 2015 (UTC)


 * What Redrose was saying is that one should use the tag instead of the gallery template.  The gallery template has a "bug" that is causing the problem.  I redid the article to use the tag instead.  Bgwhite (talk) 21:24, 7 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Many thanks to you and - problem solved. --Northernhenge (talk) 21:27, 7 July 2015 (UTC)
 * I see that you used the  attribute, which makes the assumption that the user's screen is wide enough for five images but not for six. If their screen is too narrow for five, the attribute is ignored, but if it's wide enough for six, only five per row are displayed. Did you try it without that attribute? -- Red rose64 (talk) 22:11, 7 July 2015 (UTC)
 * I removed   Bgwhite (talk) 05:32, 8 July 2015 (UTC)

Half-Life 2: Episode One
Hi there, you claimed I deleted 3/4 of a reference for no reason and that it messed up another ref. But actually as you might see there are two similar links to the same dead link. And they weren't grouped. I found this out after I ran checklinks. So what I did was, I fixed one of those broken links and named it as "avrev" and removed the duplicated link and used previously assigned ref name to cite that dead article again. That way I didn't have to unnecessarily fix both links that lead to the same dead article. If you search the article for  you will come up 2 matches with both named "avrev" as you've reverted my edit. I wonder what's wrong with just using  to cite the same grouped ref, which leads to the exact same article which is now broken due to your edit. Thanks -- Chamith   (talk)  18:31, 8 July 2015 (UTC)
 * This ref went from:
 * To:
 * A partial reference was left in place. I wasn't sure what you are trying to do or if it was a mistake, so I restored the full ref.  After your explanation from above, it looks you accidentally left it in place and forgot to remove it.  Bgwhite (talk) 18:50, 8 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Yeah you are absolutely right. Frankly I didn't realize that up until now. Thank you for pointing that out. So I guess it would be OK if I re-revert your edit and remove that accidentally left out part without messing it up again? Or would you rather do it yourself? -- Chamith   (talk)  18:56, 8 July 2015 (UTC)
 * , go ahead and revert me. Bgwhite (talk) 19:09, 8 July 2015 (UTC)
 * , go ahead and revert me. Bgwhite (talk) 19:09, 8 July 2015 (UTC)

"Kilamuwa Stela" article
Hello Bgwhite, could you tell me why you reverted my edits to Kilamuwa Stela made on June 30th 2015? All I did was to update the dead link in the "External links" section to a working one and to format the translation and transcription to have them side by side. The content was not modified. — Preceding unsigned comment added by RiseOfTheAnts (talk • contribs) 21:02, 8 July 2015 (UTC)