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Transformers: The Last Knight
Hello! Please move Draft:Transformers: The Last Knight to Transformers: The Last Knight - Thanks. -- Captain Assassin! «T ♦ C ♦ G» 18:02, 26 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Done. You are really testing my patience.  Arrrrggghhh, not another stupid Transformers movie.  When I saw there will be more sequels along spinoffs, I almost hurled my laptop and lunch.  I was forced to watch the last one... The Chinese government got their money's worth for their ad, err, investment in the film.  I hated how the billboards had different ads depending on what language version one was watching.  Bgwhite (talk) 20:26, 26 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Same here, man. -- Captain Assassin! «T ♦ C ♦ G» 15:55, 27 May 2016 (UTC)

here for the readers
--Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:22, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Thank you. I always rank your comments near the top of editors.  One of these days, I'll be as calm and sensible as you are, especially in how you deal with Francis.  However, my words are somewhat hypocritical.  When edits don't show up on the page, then the ease of editing comes first.  When it's as cut and dry as an Infobox, then the reader. There's a grey area in between and I've sided with both arguements.  My motto is KISS.  Unfortunately, too many editors want to reinvent the wheel and do it their own way instead of the standard way.  00:12, 28 May 2016 (UTC)

Thanks
On behalf of the "wolf pack" (i.e. those who create and maintain Canis related articles), thanks for your quiet work behind the scenes completing citations and other very helpful amendments. Regards, William Harris  •   talk •   12:10, 28 May 2016 (UTC)

Alan Partridge
Yo! Back in November, you helped out reverting some vandalism on the Alan Partridge article. You told me here to tell you if it happened again - well, FYI, it has, the same kind of nonsense added to the article. You don't have to take any action or whatever if you don't want to, I'm just letting you know, since you asked. :) Popcornduff (talk) 14:52, 28 May 2016 (UTC)

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API change will break your bot
Hi Bgwhite,

I noticed that BG19bot has been using http:// to access the API, rather than https://   Access to http:// is going to be disabled in a few weeks. The official announcement is in this e-mail message. I've been encouraging people to go to Bot owners' noticeboard or ask on the mailing list if they need help. About 60 bots or scripts are using insecure access frequently (=more than a few thousand times a week), so there are quite a few people who need to make updates.

I hope all's well otherwise, Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 23:28, 19 May 2016 (UTC)


 * Thank you. I use both AWB and WPCleaner.  I'm not sure what protocol either of them use, so I'll ping their owners....  Bgwhite (talk) 23:52, 19 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks ! WPCleaner already uses https for the API. --NicoV (Talk on frwiki) 09:36, 20 May 2016 (UTC)
 * AWB uses https for the API as default. Editors can override this using custom project but the default is https. -- Magioladitis (talk) 10:55, 20 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the replies. Magioladitis, is there a way for AWB to automatically redirect http:// requests in these custom projects?  (I'm assuming the answer is 'no', but I'm just guessing.)    Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 17:30, 20 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Whatamidoing (WMF) the answer is "maybe". for details. -- Magioladitis (talk) 18:10, 20 May 2016 (UTC)

How's this project going? Do you need help? Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 17:33, 30 May 2016 (UTC)

New York Vauxhall Gardens and TOC
Kindly do not make changes to articles on the basis of screen reader problems. It is not our responsibility to make articles readable by screen readers, it is the responsibility of the programmers of screen readers to make their programs such that they will propeperly read whatever content is given them. This is not an accessibility issue, it is a responsibility issue, and the responsibility is not ours.. BMK (talk) 08:30, 31 May 2016 (UTC)


 * I've already given you the MOS pages. It is in MOS and currently causes problems with screen readers.  It is also our responsibility to make articles readable by screen readers and the colour blind.  Per WP:FIVEPILLARS, Wikipedia is free content that anyone can use, edit, and distribute:  It doesn't say most anyone can use.  Also per MOS:IMAGELOCATION and WP:ACCIM, image goes into the section where it is most relevant and not just before a section header.  Three MOS rules and five pillars.    This has been talked to death at ANI and ACCESSIBILITY.  The very minor cosmetic look does not trump Accessibility.  I suggest you take it elsewhere. Bgwhite (talk) 08:56, 31 May 2016 (UTC)


 * MOS does not give you the license to edit war, nor does being an admin give you a free pass. You've been playing fast and loose with this for some years now, and you need to stop. When your edits are contested, you have do not have permission to edit war to keep them in place, you must answer just as much as any other editor does.  Fair warnimg, the next time I run across this behavior on your part I will bring it to ANI.  Please remember that MOS, including the accessibility part of it, is not mandatory, it is a guideline.  If you wish it to become policy, please start an RfC and get the consensus of the community to do so.  In the meantime, please do not act asif MOS is policy -- it ain't. BMK (talk) 09:16, 31 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Nice threats. You are also edit warring too and warring against MOS.  Hypocrite.  Was admin mentioned above, no.  I've already been brought to ANI several times and had other threats much worse than yours on this issue. Nice try.  I have been and will fix TOCs  for the foreseeable future.  I was asked in 2013 by Graham87 to fix this very thing and have been doing so since.  MOS says should  and treated with commonsense, not I won't follow if I don't like it.  In the case of accessibility, commonsense is to accommodate, not discriminate.  The "it looks better" has been used and shot down by many people in the past when it comes to TOC.  I'm appalled that you think looks trump accessibility.  Bgwhite (talk) 09:38, 31 May 2016 (UTC)

15-Hydroxyicosatetraenoic acid
Hello. Can you merge citations with equal content in this article?--RoadTrain (talk) 14:04, 31 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Done. Boy, the refs in that article could use some work by filling them out better... adding doi's, author names, etc.  Bgwhite (talk) 21:10, 31 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks! Yes, that's exactly what I'm planning to do.--RoadTrain (talk) 22:00, 31 May 2016 (UTC)
 * I've templated most refs. Unfortunately, a handful of them I could not find on PubMed. Maybe you will have more luck.--RoadTrain (talk) 12:43, 1 June 2016 (UTC)

Vera el Khoury Lacoeuilhe page was deleted today May 31, at 6:15
Dear Bgwhite, this page took me hours of work. Your mentioned that the deletion was motivated by, and i quote "G12: Unambiguous copyright infringement of https://fr.linkedin.com/in/vera-el-khoury-lacoeuilhe-a6120488 (TW)"... this is unfounded, you should have checked first with me. Had you done so, i would have explained that i was part of the team working on both the linkedin profile and the wikipedia page. Vera el Khoury Lacoeuilhe is a an important personality and this page has a grander purpose than the pure sake of having a wiki page. Please undelete it and let me know when it is done. Thank you in advance Adibmb (talk) 17:27, 31 May 2016 (UTC)Adibmb — Preceding unsigned comment added by Adibmb (talk • contribs) 10:45, 31 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Sorry, this is against U.S. and EU copyright law. Once put up on LinkedIn via default way, the user has stated they own the copyright and it is incompatible with Wikipedia's copyright.  Vera el Khoury Lacoeuilhe is the only person who can give written consent for the use on Wikipedia.  In addition, you  are being paid to edit somebody's own Wikipedia page.  This is a conflict of interest and you must first declare that you are being paid.  If you do not, the article can be deleted.  Bgwhite ::(talk) 20:53, 31 May 2016 (UTC)
 * BEING PAID!? where did you get that from? this is a serious allegation, please refrain from assuming, or worse, accusing. Vera is a very old friend to the family and myself. I am just helping her and proposed to create for her a wikipedia page in line with the content we used for her LinkedIn profile. This is all what happened. I am not familiar with any of these complex and frankly useless copyright issues. But please never again hint at a conflict of interest, I take this very personal and it affects me dearly. Now if you need a written consent from Vera, I can make it happen. Just let me know what form it needs to have [email, official letter, or else] and I will ask her to prepare it. Then let me know whom it should be addressed to [yourself, Wikipedia admins, or else]. Thank you in advance. Adibmb (talk) 07:08, 1 June 2016 (UTC)Adibmb
 * You do have a conflict of interest. You are "very old friend" of the family.  The above link I gave still does apply and please read it carefully.  You did state, "part of the team working".  9 times out of 10 this means being paid.  This includes working in the same office, department or say a PR firm.  I gave this as a warning because if you don't follow the rules of COI, you can be blocked and the article deleted.  A discussion above this entitled, "Upin & Ipin", I gave the same warning.  They didn't follow it and were blocked.  I'm trying to keep you out of trouble.
 * Copyright is not useless. It is the law and one of the main tenants on Wikipedia.  Wikipedia gets take down notices constantly because of articles, images and videos violating the copyright holder's rights.  Wikipedia has been sued over copyright many times.  Bizarrely, the most famous case of being sued is over a monkey taking a selfie.
 * See Requesting copyright permission on how to obtain permission. Permission must come from Vera el Khoury Lacoeuilhe as she is the copyright holder.
 * You've already been given the above information when you twice requested to have the article undeleted at Requests for Undeletion. They said the article was promotional.   I'm giving they same advice they did, you are better off writing the article from scratch.  Also, the article didn't contain any references.  Any biography about a living person must have one reliable reference or the article will be deleted.  LinkedIn is not considered a reliable reference.  Bgwhite (talk) 07:39, 1 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Allow me to reiterate, and hopefully for the last time that I AM NOT BEING PAID. This is a FREE AND FRIENDLY HELP from my end to a very old and very dear friend. And this applies to many members of the said team that are helping benevolently... is that a notion that is so hard to understand? I am truly and genuinely lost for words. In all cases, I appreciate your concern of preventing me from being blocked but I frankly do not understand why would anyone decide to block me... and on what grounds... what happened to the presumption of innocence... what happened to helping freely and benevolently in good faith??? are these notions things of a long forgotten past? are these anti-constitutional in some media? I wonder... Back to being constructive in seeking a workable solution: 1. Vera is ready to send you a letter permitting the use of LinkedIn content for the Wikipedia page I have prepared for her. 2. for that letter to be channelled properly I need to know the format you need [i.e. formal letter, email, post on a thread? or else] and to whom it should be addressed. When all of it is done, I would appreciate some editor's help in defining what you mean by, and I quote "the article didn't contain any references"... what are the references you're mentioning? The article I helped write is filled with links to verifiable sources on the net and downloadable pdf articles and reports substantiating and asserting the information contained in the said Wikipedia article. Lastly the article is about Vera and her career, it cannot be re-written from scratch for every media... this what I meant by "useless"... I was not referring to the uselessness of the principle of 'copyrights' in general... but to its inapplicability in that specific case. Law is drafted and applied following a supra-law which is 'logic' also referred to as 'common sense'.  Thank you in advance for helping us out in getting this article back online. Adibmb (talk) 12:34, 1 June 2016 (UTC)Adibmb


 * I did not say "paid" in my last response, so please stop putting words in my mouth. You do have a conflict of interest (COI) as your are her "very old friend".  The very first sentence on the link I gave you about COI says, Conflict of interest (COI) editing involves contributing to Wikipedia about yourself, family, friends, clients, employers, or your financial or other relationships.
 * I and others have already given the same link on how to give permission (see above). The link contained an email address and the form needed.
 * The article contained no reliable references. It didn't contain any references. Every article about living people must contain them.  An example of a reliable reference is a newspaper or magazine article and a posting on the web by reputable sites. A person's LinkedIn or person's website is not reliable as the person can write whatever the want about themselves.
 * Again, I highly recommend you write the article from scratch. If you use what was written on her LinkedIn page, it will be deleted as it was promotional.  Wikipedia articles are to be neutral.
 * I'm done talking as I'm repeating myself and what a couple of other people have already said. I suggest you goto the teahouse for further questions.  Talking to another might help you understand better. As you have not read any links people have given you, please read them before going to the teahouse.  Bgwhite (talk) 20:13, 1 June 2016 (UTC)

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Hi, thanks for blocking - would it be possible grab their possible sock (SPI pending) ? -- samtar talk or stalk 08:05, 2 June 2016 (UTC)
 * I didn't even see that. Thanks for telling me.  The similar names they are using everywhere is also taxing my dyslexia. Bgwhite (talk) 08:08, 2 June 2016 (UTC)

Senate table in congressional delegations from Indiana
Hello, I'm looking to get United States congressional delegations from Massachusetts up to FL quality, and first of all, your work on the articles for Indiana and Utah are great, which is why I'm reaching out to you. I'm having difficulty figuring out the table in my tests on my sandbox, and was hoping you could take a look and see if you know what to do. For the size of the table, I somehow got the 98th to become divided again, but I can't get the 111th large enough to work and fit all three people. If you could take a look, I'd really appreciate it! Grammarxxx (What'd I do this time?) 18:28, 1 June 2016 (UTC) I fixed the first problem, but there is another problem towards the end I haven't fixed yet. These tables do get confusing very fast. Bgwhite (talk) 08:11, 2 June 2016 (UTC)

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Engineering page
I have edited the page please don't give reasons that the references are fake. They are not you can check them out, these details that I have given are not mentioned on the real page of the university and a lot of people want to know about engineering ranking that is the reason I have added the page so that people don't waste a lot of time searching all over the internet to find a schools engineering ranking. I have compiled them up for the people. if you think that I have misquoted something and my reference is wrong you can tell me I will correct it but please don't redirect it. None of this stuff that I have added about the college of engineering is present on the real page Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by SS8792 (talk • contribs) 20:13, 7 June 2016 (UTC)
 * There are fake references.   is not a reference.  It is fake.  The entire last half of the article had these.  In addition there are dead links as references.  For example, the reference for Iowa State is classified as a Doctoral Research University ... is dead.  For a new article, having dead refs is unacceptable. I've removed everything that had fake or dead refs.  Do not revert or add any info without a valid reference. Bgwhite (talk) 21:23, 7 June 2016 (UTC)

Edit to One Degree Solar (company)
As a note - the recent edit to One Degree Solar (company) that you removed was a wikipedia citation from the page referencing the talk page. If you look at the talk page, it includes an email to their customer rep on the specs I cited. I know this is awful practice, but I can't think of a good way to cite this info if it isn't included on their site or other web pages. Shaded0 (talk) 00:26, 8 June 2016 (UTC)
 * I did a quick search on this and it looks like the standard approach is not to use emails as sources - per the original research policy.  Shaded0 (talk) 00:40, 8 June 2016 (UTC)
 * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Citing_sources/Archive_19#Emails.3F


 * A Wikipedia talk page is just like a forum... anybody can write anything and is self published by the person writing. It is not reliable.  Any article or article talk page cannot be used as a ref except in an article about Wikipedia and that too has limitations. Bgwhite (talk) 04:20, 8 June 2016 (UTC)

Unfortunate edit about no "legendary"
Hi, Bgwhite,

FYI

John Wayne as well as Bruce Lee Legacy, acting style and influences are in full display in respective articles.

Please take into consideration the 45 years of Yam Kim-fai and 55 years of Loong Kin Sang already on stage, some more years to come should Loong Kin Sang, the contemporary tier one top-ranked box-office guarantee, choose to.

Yam Kim-fai has been a Legend in Cantonese Opera world for close to a century and opened doors for, at least five generations and counting, actresses now to be male leads on stage. Actresses are still dominating even 25 years after her passing.

Cantonese Opera Film Century Award, 14th Hong Kong Film Awards was an honor awarded to Yam Kim-fai and accepted by Loong Kin Sang on her behalf in 1995.

Google (HK) commemorated the 103th anniversary of Yam Kim-fai's birthday on February 04, 2016 Google Doodle 103rd-birthday Yam Kim-fai Google Doodle shows off 1960's LGBT icon: Cantonese opera legend Yam Kim-fai SCMP updated 04 February, 2016.

Loong Kin Sang is the single successor to her mentor's acting style, a "secret" recipe to success that has never been disclosed beyond the one single room in Yam's former home. Her move since turning 70 in 2014 is more than the world of Cantonese Opera could ever hoped for. Those are historically significant performances you removed in such edit.

Theyear by year tour information I can find in the article of Madonna who was born only in 1958, just two years before Loong Kin Sang first on stage. For a 55-year veteran performer on stage, Loong Kin Sang has only very few of the huge list of awards and achievements listed. Such awards/achievements were listed with references as per Wikipedia requests.

While a pop-singer is receipted world wide and Cantonese opera is mostly a Chinese Art form. I trust the historically significant events listed there are never less important or essential.

"Please help to establish notability by citing..."

[| references please]

Revision History of this page | Loong Kin Sang

Loong Kin Sang was called a Legend by the Press in 1990 already when she received the award as well as opening door for Cantonese opera tour to Caesars Palace of Las Vegas in 1982. Your edit removed such historically significant information as well, unfortunately.207.102.255.36 (talk) 18:59, 18 May 2016 (UTC)


 * , your English isn't the greatest and there are some severe writing problems with the article. I can't write in another language, so you are better than I will ever be.   The page that covers the following is WP:WEASEL.  Here are some phrases I removed:
 * is a famous Cantonese opera performer, known as the legendary Yam Kim Fai's protégée & successor
 * in particular the vocal style Yam Hong (任腔) and natural but with grace and depth acting style.
 * She quickly became Yam Kim Fai's disciple, and was treasured by Yam very much
 * and gained a lot of popularity by acting in various types of Cantonese opera.
 * Only one of these phrases had a reference which was #1. That reference is to a TV schedule and never mention Loong.  In both John Wayne and Bruce Lee, only once was "legend" mentioned in each article and both were referenced.  In order for the phrases to be included, there must be a reliable reference that mentions Loong was a "legend".  I removed the awards sections as there references were to a blog.  A more reliable reference is needed.   You have much admiration for Loong which is clouding your judgement.  Articles are to be neutral, so write in a neutral tone.  Take a look at some other Chinese opera performers to get an idea of how an article should be.  Performers such as Zhou Xinfang, Ouyang Yuqian  or Kwan Hoi-san.  I am familiar with Peking opera and have seen several performances.  As I don't speak Chinese, what stood out were the costumes and masks.  Too bad Chinese opera and Western opera are in a state of decline for the same reasons.  Bgwhite (talk) 22:09, 18 May 2016 (UTC)

Hi Bgwhite,

1. Please clarify what request you were referring to in your comment below.

"You know you have been on Wikipedia too long when you start recognizing names... I've come across the ..., plus I understood Chinese opera in a request today. I need to get a life."

2. Your reply below refers.

"I removed the awards sections as there references were to a blog. "

Please explain which blog. the only link is to the official award authority

That is - 任藝笙輝念濃情 IFPI HKG 2015 List of Best Sales Releases, Classical and Operatic Works Recording (Order in Chinese Stroke Counts).

"A more reliable reference is needed." Please suggest one more reliable than the one organization actually gave Loong the award.

3. In order for the phrases to be included, there must be a reliable reference that mentions Loong was a "legend".

According to your quote above, you removed

is a famous Cantonese opera performer, known as the legendary Yam Kim Fai's protégée & successor

The current version actually reads

is a Cantonese opera performer, known as Yam Kim Fai's protégée and successor.

My understanding is you removed actually:


 * famous, which was an adjective describing Loong, the subject of said article
 * the legendary, which was an adjective describing Yam Kim Fai

I have covered Yam Kim Fai already. For Loong as 'famous', please refer to the two reports from local press.

http://hk.on.cc/hk/bkn/cnt/entertainment/20151227/bkn-20151227144840017-1227_00862_001.html - Original Ref 13 阿刨率新人演《紫釵記》　劇迷讚不老傳說 【on.cc東網專訊】 Looking perfect as lovers on stage opposite new young talents.207.102.255.36 (talk) 17:44, 20 May 2016 (UTC)

http://hk.on.cc/hk/bkn/cnt/entertainment/20160101/bkn-20160101152050007-0101_00862_001.html - Original Ref 14 《紫釵記》全劇　阿刨演繹師父任劍輝派功夫，儼如師父上身般 【on.cc東網專訊】 As if the Legendary Cantonese opera master back alive on stage.207.102.255.36 (talk) 17:44, 20 May 2016 (UTC)

Both started with 粵劇名伶龍劍笙（阿刨）.

My translation is 粵劇Cantonese opera 名famous 伶performer 龍Lung 劍Kim 笙Sang (阿Ah 刨Pau).

Bing the 粵劇名伶龍劍笙（阿刨) to see how popular that phase is and you will get a few more. gives all those pages online with such wording.

4. Look at the TV Schedule referred. You will see at 18:20 舞台下的龍劍笙 - the name of programme in Chinese.

龍劍笙 is the Chinese name of Loong Kim Sang of Wikipedia.

5. With all due respect, Kwan Hoi-san was a respected member of Cantonese Opera community by seniority as in age not fame. He worked for the legendary Yam Kim Fai in 1940s when Yam's troupe was in Macau, then a colony of Portugal.

Kwan was NOT famous until in 1975 TV production "The Legend of the Book and the Sword" (1976) which is also the first line of his Filmography.

6. So much more to explain to you while life is short. What you removed was the work of many editors over a few years in under various environment. That is very unfortunate if you did not understand Cantonese Opera. Difference between Cantonese opera and Chinese opera is way beyond my ability to start explaining to you as well.207.102.255.36 (talk) 17:58, 19 May 2016 (UTC)


 * I can't answer all your questions right now as I'm already late for bed tonight. I'm not doubting what you are saying about Loong.  There needs to be very good references in order to put it into Wikipedia.
 * "You know you have been on Wikipedia too long when you start recognizing names... I've come across the ..., plus I understood Chinese opera in a request today. I need to get a life." I was referring that I knew of two relatively obscure topics... A noble family located in Galicaia during the 1500-1600's and Chinese opera.   Chinese opera isn't well known in the west.


 * For myself, the word "Request" means a LOT more than this non-answer above. Your silence speaks volume.207.102.255.36 (talk) 17:44, 20 May 2016 (UTC)


 * Please explain which blog. the only link is to the official award authority You used https://phyllissabrinafan.blogspot.ca as a reference. This website is from a personal blog (zh:網誌).  This is not a reliable site because the person can write anything they want.


 * Before you came along the list of References

1. Maybe The Cantonese Opera Diva January 01, 2016 Australia

2. 舞台下的龍劍笙 November 14, 2015 Hong Kong

3. "Princess Chang Ping". The Illuminated Lantern. Retrieved 26 December 2010.

4. Tragedy of the Poet King(1968) Sin Fung Ming Production 01/30/1968

5. Laugh in the Sleeve (1975) Hing Fut Film Company Production 02/08/1975

6. Princess Chang Ping (1976) Golden Harvest Productions and Golden Phoenix 01/30/1976

7. The Legend of the Purple Hairpin (1977) Golden Phoenix Films Production 02/12/1977

8. Women Pioneer in Hong Kong, population Seven million, the Debut guest 七百萬人的先鋒 April 07, 2012 Hong Kong

9. HKAPA Curtain call December 23, 2015 Crew of new young talents

10. HKAPA Curtain call December 24, 2015 Crew of new young talents

11. HKAPA Curtain call December 29, 2015 Art Director Yam Bing-Yee

12. HKAPA Curtain call December 30, 2015 Art Director Yam Bing-Yee

13. 阿刨率新人演《紫釵記》　劇迷讚不老傳說 【on.cc東網專訊】 Looking perfect as lovers on stage opposite new young talents.

14. 《紫釵記》全劇　阿刨演繹師父任劍輝派功夫，儼如師父上身般 【on.cc東網專訊】 As if the Legendary Cantonese opera master back alive on stage.

15. 任藝笙輝念濃情 IFPI HKG 2015 List of Best Sales Releases, Classical and Operatic Works Recording (Order in Chinese Stroke Counts)

Your rude unfortunate edit removed the link to two pieces of local press report as well as the IFPI HKG 2015 page of award winners while the HKAPA Curtain call links were as per the request already covered above.207.102.255.36 (talk) 17:44, 20 May 2016 (UTC)

For other statements, you had no reference for.


 * I good example of references would be too look at Loong's Chinese Wikipedia article, zh:龍劍笙. It looks to have alot of references.


 * You said you do not speak Chinese but not whether if you read Chinese. According to your said comment above regarding the TV Schedule  (at 18:20) led to my taking it for granted you do not read Chinese at all.

However, I trust you can still read the edit history of zh:龍劍笙. So, please look where you go regarding this topic of Cantonese opera and more specifically this actress.207.102.255.36 (talk) 17:44, 20 May 2016 (UTC)
 * I'll add more tomorrow. Bgwhite (talk) 09:11, 20 May 2016 (UTC)

Hi Bgwhite,

I am sure you have a life to live and now understand you took too much of my time to finish the zh:龍劍笙 for reasons or circumstances beyond what you has answered so far.

Articles you so far suggested are either

1. with all due respect a washed-up, mean but true description, performer

2. not related to Cantonese opera

3. my work for the last three weeks on this particular subject but only 60% complete at best

Loong made four movies in her life so far. They all have over $1m box-office on record out-there. Her 1976 movie was definitely on the top ten list and box-office was over $3m.

Totally FOUR opera movie was made ever since the collapse in 1969-70 of such. Loong was the male lead for three of these four while Kwan left Cantonese opera and started to work for TV productions. One was on the rise since 1972 and best reflected in the charitable event raising fund for the tragedy happened in June 18, (618) 1972. The who's who in such event were always the best reflection of their status. Loong was there playing second fiddle to mentor Yam, in a bright yellow turtle neck pull over and navy blue skirt, and leading the 5 classmates all singing back up at the back. That picture is ICONIC both for Cantonese opera and the Hong Kong in 1970s. That's how Loong was introduced to the wider audience by modern technology.

People said that one should stop digging when in a hole. Not sure where it came from but sounds very wise to me. Meanwhile, I have lots more in my head to add be included in the zh:龍劍笙 you referred to.207.102.255.36 (talk) 17:44, 20 May 2016 (UTC)"Don't throw the baby out with the bathwater" Babies have been thrown out with the YET TO BE identified bathwater. Two weeks already and still no answer at all to questions raised as to the logic and the reasoning as justifications for such allegations and accusations.207.102.255.36 (talk) 18:36, 8 June 2016 (UTC)

Break
Either you are not understanding me or your ignoring me... I'm not disagreeing with you about Loong's status as an Opera performer. I'm not disagreeing with you that she is legendary. This has nothing to do about Loong herself. This is about how to do an article on Wikipedia. We cannot go around saying "legendary" without a reference to back it up. We don't go around saying "legendary" in every paragraph. We are to be neutral and just give the facts. If a reference says she was "legendary" then make sure to use a reference to source that she is legendary. As I mentioned before on the John Wayne and Bruce Lee articles, both have "legendary" once in the article and it is referenced. This needs to happen in Loong's article.

Your English is not the best. That is fine, but there are parts of the article that doesn't make sense in English. I'm trying to edit some of those parts so they are more understandable.

Again, look at the articles Zhou Xinfang, Ouyang Yuqian and Kwan Hoi-san. This has nothing to do how they were as performers or how they compare to Loong. This has to do on how the articles are written. These are examples of opera performers who have good articles. Use these as a guide on how to write Loong's article.

Look at zh:龍劍笙. This is has more information on Loong that might be used on the English article. It also has references. Bgwhite (talk) 08:27, 21 May 2016 (UTC)

Homer B. Roberts
Hello Bgwhite. You said that you don't see a copyvio at Homer B. Roberts. How is it not a copyvio of this? Roberts sought and obtained ... until his death in 1952. is directly copied among other issues with copied phrases and close paraphrasing. Thanks for taking another look. —&thinsp;JJMC89&thinsp; (T·C) 19:34, 8 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks for copyvio tool, didn't know about that. It looks like three paragraphs (2 large, one small) were a direct copy.  Either removing or fixing those two and they will be fine. Bgwhite (talk) 21:38, 8 June 2016 (UTC)

Bot's edit summary
Hi, re, please use a shortcut rather than a link which exceeds the maximum length of the edit summary. Hope this helps, – Fayenatic  L ondon 13:29, 8 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Maybe WT:WCAG. -- Red rose64 (talk) 19:30, 8 June 2016 (UTC)
 * In 99% of the cases, the edit summary is just fine, see . It barfs if the article's name and section's name are really long. Bgwhite (talk) 21:34, 8 June 2016 (UTC)
 * It breaks if it includes a section name over 14 characters. Can it omit the section name? – Fayenatic  L ondon 21:39, 8 June 2016 (UTC)
 * I don't see where that is an option with AWB.  I've changed one of the links in the edit summary per Redrose's suggestion.  Bgwhite (talk) 21:48, 8 June 2016 (UTC)
 * OK, thanks, that should help. I guess one of us could pursue an AWB enhancement request, but I don't think it's worth it. – Fayenatic  L ondon 22:48, 8 June 2016 (UTC)

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I have read the instructions and there is nothing that I can see that says this was an illegal addition. The code was added because you and BG19bot repeatedly caused errors in the infobox. I can understand you making an error the first time, but it happened three times, requiring both and I to have to fix those errors. An error once is understandable, but the same error three times is unacceptable. You've blamed AWB, but ultimately the editor is responsible for edits made using AWB. Your fix, to remove the ref, was not appropriate in this case, it should have been commented out at the worst, as the url used was valid, it was wiki software that couldn't parse the url. -- Aussie Legend  ( ✉ ) 13:22, 9 June 2016 (UTC)
 * , it looks like the URL had a curly brace character in it, which is apparently not allowed in WP. See Help:Link for instructions on how to substitute percent-encoded characters in URLs. – Jonesey95 (talk) 18:20, 9 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks, but that has already been fixed. -- Aussie Legend  ( ✉ ) 19:12, 9 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Yes, you fixed it, but then you added the bots tag.
 * Stated at the top of Bots page are the following instructions:
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 * You never once contacted me. You used the template as a blunt instrument. You added it after the problem was resolved.  I was emailed by a WMF programmer that you had issues with the bot on the article. This is how I found out.
 * I tried using the URL and it went nowhere. Curly braces are not allowed in a URL, this is an internet standard, not just wiki software. Illegal, dead link, curly brace problem... I deleted it and left in the edit summary dead link.  This was the only thing I did manually.  I never said a thing about blaming AWB for this.
 * A bot owner cannot know if the bot is causing problems unless somebody tells them. You never told me.  It is your responsibility to say something is wrong, then at that point, it becomes my responsibility to fix it.  I never blamed AWB, I stated why it happened in the edit summary.
 * Next time you have a problem with any bot, tell the bot owner first. Bgwhite (talk) 21:30, 9 June 2016 (UTC)
 * You never once contacted me - I'm oh so sorry. My wife is in hospital and my time is somewhat restricted so I have to prioritise. I was trying to fix the problem another way prior to contacting you, because you weren't around to do anything, and something needed to be done quickly, as you had introduced the same error on the same page 3 times.
 * You added it after the problem was resolved. - The errors that you introduced were not related to the url, which was in one field. The errors were in unrelated fields, and that problem didn't seem to be resolved as you kept coming back over a two day period making the same error.
 * I tried using the URL and it went nowhere. - If you copy and paste it, it works fine. When you do that you realise there is a problem somewhere but since the url works, it doesn't look like it's the url.
 * I deleted it and left in the edit summary dead link. - Not exactly. The first edit summary by BG19bot was "WP:CHECKWIKI error fix. Broken bracket. Do general fixes if a problem exists. - using AWB". That doesn't explain why you were changing valid parameters. The second summary (by you) was "(red doesn't work, typo(s) fixed: Janurary → January using AWB)". Again, this does not explain why you were changing valid parameters. And "red"? The third edit summary, again by the bot, was "WP:CHECKWIKI error fix. Broken bracket. Do general fixes if a problem exists. -". That change didn't touch the url, it just broke the valid parameters. "dead link" was not used in any of the summaries.
 * It is your responsibility to say something is wrong - It's the responsibility of every editor not to make the same error over and over again, which you and your bot continued to do. When you see a bot make an error, you assume it's a one off, especially when the bot is one you see almost every day. When the bot owner then comes along and makes the same error, you assume it's a coincidence. When the bot comes along again and makes the same error, well then it seems like a good time to let the owner know. The problem was, at the time I added the template, you hadn't edited in over 3 hours, and you didn't edit again for another 11 hours. I didn't know when you or the bot would return so I had to protect the article from more errors.
 * I never blamed AWB - What you said was "The bad area_footnote parameter cause AWB (not individual bot) to think infobox ended there.". So there, you were placing the blame on AWB for thinking the infobox ended.
 * Next time you have a problem with any bot, tell the bot owner first. - A "please" would be nice. Please do not make the same error repeatedly in the same error. When editors attempt to stop you making more errors, please do not accuse them of illegal acts. Please always assume good faith. -- Aussie Legend  ( ✉ ) 05:00, 10 June 2016 (UTC)


 * Sorry for reverting your message, I thought you were someone else.
 * The bot and manual edits are two different things. You keep thinking they are the same thing, they are not. Please separate them in your mind.
 * Bot I get a list every day of over 2,000 articles with errors. On a majority of them, I run the bot. On the second day,  The "error" was reintroduced, so the article appeared on the list again.  It is impossible to know if the bot caused an error.  This is why it is your responsibility to tell me.  I need people's help in telling me.  You never told me, so the bot came by again.
 * Manual The bot didn't "fix" the bracket problem so I came by manually. This is about the link and the link only.  As I said, I tried the link, even copy/paste and even in a different browser. The link never worked for me.  I didn't willy nilly delete it.  Seeing that it was an illegal URL and didn't work, I removed it.  I removed it a second time because it still didn't work.  Only when you changed the URL, was it fixed.  This was an inadvertent error on your part. Only when Jonzey mentioned it was an illegal URL, do you know the link was bad. If you saw an illegal URL that went nowhere, you would have deleted it too.  If I commented it out, you would have undone my edit anyway because you thought it was a good URL and I still would have came by again.   Don't keep blaming me for this one.
 * I never blamed AWB I was telling you why the BOT made its bad edit.  I never blamed AWB for my edit.
 * You added it after the problem was resolved. True, I can see why you thought that way... understandable.  Still you didn't follow the instructions.
 * When editors attempt to stop you making more errors, please do not accuse them of illegal acts. You did inadvertently and illegally add the bot template by not following one instruction. There is still no excuse for not contacting me after adding the bot template.
 * You kept accusing me of: Blaming my actions on AWB. Making the same errors, when in fact my manual edits were correct. Accusing me of knowing the bot was making bad edits. Assuming good faith is a two-way street...  You haven't show one once of good faith.  All of this would have been adverted if you had contacted me and not assuming the worst.  Bgwhite (talk) 06:03, 10 June 2016 (UTC)

Duke of Valentinois
Hello Bgwhite, I had fixed that reference not realizing that it was a source that mirrored a wiki article, Monaco succession crisis of 1918. I have no sources for that title and have no special interest there since what I cover mostly are early Middle Age people from the Iberian Peninsula and if you check my contributions, you'll see that I am very meticulous about adding reliable sources and references. As you can see in this edit from April, I removed what I saw was clear manipulation, trying to insert himself as the current title holder. He has done this in many of the other articles which had to be fixed or deleted. I think he is intent on this and see no other worthwhile contribution to this or any other wiki project since he has a one-track mind and purpose. While I'm not the one to say who should be allowed to participate here, if he continues editing it will be necessary to monitor each and every contribution he makes. Do what you think is best for the project. Best regards, --Maragm (talk) 05:17, 10 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Here's the diff of all his work on the article. For  Kuru:  Surpise, a Borgia family.  He's done alot of Borgia articles that have been deleted or reverted.  Many were made up and had him as the current Duke.  He's been doing the same thing on Spanish Wikipedia and has been blocked there.  He's already been blocked on English Wikipedia for one month for bad refs.
 * He's adding quotes to the article and the source is http://www.liquisearch.com. That is a search engine and not reliable.
 * https://nvdatabase.swarthmore.edu could go either way. It is written by students with Prof help.
 * He seems to be adding alot of quotes. Not sure what the French paragraphs are for, but he's done that before on other articles and it was for filler.
 * He's been reverted 11 times for bad refs on just this article.
 * I don't think this is a case of not understanding. Maragm states it clearly above what is going on. Maragm is the one that has suffered the most trying to keep an eye on him.  What's best for Maragm's sanity is for him to be blocked. It's been three months, I don't remember how many articles and warned or reverted for bad refs atleast 50 times.  Bgwhite (talk) 06:44, 10 June 2016 (UTC)

For 's information, here's the diff of when I reported him in April. Besides adding unreliable and/or primary sources, in some cases he manipulates the source to state what it does not. I'm not the only one who has complained or reverted his edits. Re this particular title, I would revert to the version before he started editing the article, such as this one. I cannot help out since I have no references or knowledge about this particular title. --Maragm (talk) 07:11, 10 June 2016 (UTC)

Inter-Collegiate Sailing Association
Thanks for writing. I'll try to solve the issue with the Table of Contents (TOC). I find it odd to have two history related sections ("History" and "A Brief History of Inter-Collegiate Fleet Racing") in the article, so I'm trying to improve the sections.--Banderas (talk) 08:46, 11 June 2016 (UTC) Boy, it looks alot better now than before you arrived. Thank you. Bgwhite (talk) 05:37, 13 June 2016 (UTC)

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Move page
Requesting to move the article Anupama E Parameswaran to Anupama Parameswaran, which is restricted for creation. It is her commonly known name and per WP:RECOGNIZABLE. --Charles Turing (talk) 18:35, 12 June 2016 (UTC)
 * I'll take a closer look tomorrow. Anupama Parameswaran is salted because of repeatedly being recreated after being speedy deleted. A look at some refs show them to bad because they don't mention her. But, there are some newer refs listed.  Bgwhite (talk) 05:45, 13 June 2016 (UTC)
 * I can understand. Thanks for taking the request anyway. The "E" in the title is dubious as her known name is Anupama Parameswaran. So I thought I should request for a move. --Charles Turing (talk) 10:25, 13 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Its been moved. Bgwhite (talk) 19:48, 13 June 2016 (UTC)

Requested move
There is a requested move at Talk:Ayşe Hafsa Sultan on a page that you have edited in the past. You are invited to come to the talk page and give your input. OUR Wikipedia (not "mine")!  Paine  01:48, 14 June 2016 (UTC)

RE: Josh Ekrem AFD
Hi Bgwhite,

How will I know when I can remove the tag regarding the AFD in relation to the page that has been created regarding this fighter?

Thanks,

Stryker1981 (talk) 00:20, 14 June 2016 (UTC)


 * We don't. The AfD is open a minimum of seven days after which "judgement" is rendered based on the arguments given.  Bgwhite (talk) 04:38, 14 June 2016 (UTC)

Hi
If you find time for it, please take a look at this comment and  by an established user. Calling someone a "sicko" and implying that it is not even enough to explain how they feel about someone is excessive and uncivil. Also the rationale itself for the AfD is uncivil in my opinion. I might be wrong but it seems to be over the top.--BabbaQ (talk) 19:43, 14 June 2016 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!
HI Bgwhite, I am hoping to add new pictures of Kat Von D to her page, as it seems that the current ones are from 2007 and 2011. I'm happy to provide photos with photographer releases, but i have never used Wikipedia before and the one time I tried to make changes I sure made a mess of things, and would love to enlist your help. Thanks! Rhian — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kittinses (talk • contribs) 17:52, 18 June 2016 (UTC)

Anupama E Parameswaran
Hi, I see Anupama E Parameswaran is #34 in WP:TOPRED (55% mobile, so not one bot hammering away). Would a redirect to Anupama Parameswaran be apppropriate? I didn't boldly add one, as I expect you moved the page without redirect for good reasons. Thanks, Certes (talk) 10:56, 19 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Not yet. It was an actual article for a few days, which got all the search engine spiders having fun with it and then showing up on the search sites.  Wait a couple of weeks and I suspect that number will drop drastically.  Bgwhite (talk) 04:47, 20 June 2016 (UTC)

EESTEC map format
Hello Bgwhite, You've changed the map on the Electrical Engineering Students' European Association page to an old version, indicating the new one was broken. Please explain what was broken, so that we could create one that is displaying the correct and up-to-date info, without overlapping labels, etc. Thanks. IsaacSt (talk) 19:01, 20 June 2016 (UTC)

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meta:Vandalism reports and User:Peadar/User:Borgatya
Hello Bgwhite. FYI: meta:Special:Permalink/15713496. Regards --Jivee Blau (talk) 21:58, 20 June 2016 (UTC)

A Kafka story
or: the unwanted content

Once upon a time, a dear fellow editor PS asked me if I would join his efforts to improve Franz Kafka. I helped, working mainly on the things requiring knowledge of German, such as the works list. Too make it short, eventually the article became a FA, but only without the works list, which seemed too long. PS parked it on the Franz Kafka bibliography, where I thought it didn't fit well, also didn't want to disturb the work others had done on that article. So I created a separate article, Franz Kafka works, which merrily graced the Main page (DYK) when Kafka was TFA (the most successful ever so far, thanks to the google doodle that day). Last year, a merge was requested with the bibliography. Yesterday, it was "merged", - again plastered at the end of the other. The unwanted content. I miss PS more than the article, of course. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:58, 21 June 2016 (UTC)

Flying lesbians
Just thought: adding quotes inside the title, around the ampersand, might work. Pam D  06:54, 21 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Yes, you got there before me. Thanks. My solution got the desired effect but at the cost of a load of junk code: much more elegant now. But your first fixup oversimplified. All fine now. Pam  D  06:58, 21 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Sorry for leaving off the one song. All the junk code was confusing me.  Of course, just getting out of bed in the morning confuses me.  If I have questions about a template, I usually ask Frietjes.  It's an idiot savant relationship... I'm the idiot and she's the savant.  Bgwhite (talk) 07:07, 21 June 2016 (UTC)


 * You could also ask Izkala (who solved all template questions for me) and pray for an answer --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:01, 21 June 2016 (UTC)

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Zev Garber
Hi. I can't find a reference saying Zev Garber went to Bar-Ilan University. Can you?Zigzig20s (talk) 06:28, 23 June 2016 (UTC)
 * I only fixed an error on the article and I don't know anything about him. I found this link, but not much else.  There isn't much about his other stops either.  Bgwhite (talk) 06:37, 23 June 2016 (UTC)
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Replace "External link" with "External links"
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BG19bot bug
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 * This relates to AWB's handling of WP:REFPUNC. What's strange... If there is a space between  and !!, AWB handles it fine.  If there is no space, AWB does what you reported.   for help.

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Reger bot
Your. Yes, the bot was right, but the "fix" kind of made it worse. Linking to the article you are on ;) - Perhaps you can train the bot to just issue a suggestion in such cases? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:41, 24 June 2016 (UTC)
 * The bot didn't try to help you because it didn't make the edit. I personally tried not to help you and make you miserable... yea, I'm going with that.  Nope, I wasn't an idiot in this case.  Yup, it was done on purpose to torment you and I'm, um, sticking to that theory, yea.  Bgwhite (talk) 07:46, 24 June 2016 (UTC)
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Requesting help in addition infobox
Hello! Thanks for helping edit the page inquizzitive. I have one problem with the editor though, i would be extremely grateful if you could help make the infobox is show up on the page. I have tried the infobox tag but it doesn't seem to work, could you please have a look? Any help is appreciated. Thank you again! 2Dpedia (talk) 11:14, 24 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Fixed. You needed to add what type of infobox.  I add Infobox organization.  Click on the link and you can find more about this infobox.  The article looks like it will be deleted.  You might want to copy it so you can work on it after it's deleted.  Bgwhite (talk) 18:09, 24 June 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for the info! Much appreciated. 2Dpedia (talk) 18:18, 24 June 2016 (UTC)

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Thanks
You're right. I wrote edit, then went looking for a more acceptable RSS than what I had and got distracted. I closed the edit by mistake when I returned, instead of adding the cite. Activist (talk) 17:11, 25 June 2016 (UTC)

Deleted Pages
It has been found that our recently created page "The Hindureligion" was deleted. Though we are aware that a similar page already exists about Hindu Religion but our intention was to create an article about the practices of the people who follows Hindu religion. In our article we highlighted traditional practices of Hindu religion, and wants to educate practitioners. Our page was deleted on the grounds of copied material from internet sources to which we believe we could improve in future. It is our humble request to provide a copy of originally published article. We are considering changes in the title and happy to provide proper references if you can make it live again.Profdheeraj (talk) 09:43, 25 June 2016 (UTC)


 * I copied the article to User:Profdheeraj/sandbox so you can work on it. It needs alot of work before it could return to article space.  Some examples...  There were parts that were copied from other places.  You have it written more as an essay, question/answer format, and not an article.  Many of the refs are unusable as they are not reliable, examples are:   http://www.hindupedia.com (anybody can edit, like Wikipedia),  http://www.diehardindian.com (they copy from other sources) and about.com.


 * I highly suggest you go thru the Articles for creation process as they will give you advice on how to improve the article and when its ready to move to article space. The Teahouse is also a good place to ask questions.  User  is also a very good person to ask questions and a native Bengali speaker. Bgwhite (talk) 23:03, 25 June 2016 (UTC)

Tech News: 2016-26
 Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes
 * The ORES service has now moved to a new location. This should make it easier to use ORES. The ORES review service is now available as a beta feature on Wikidata and Persian Wikipedia. ORES is an artificial intelligence system for Wikimedia wikis to help editors.
 * The order of wikis in collapsed cross-wiki notifications was different than when the list was expanded. This is now fixed.
 * A new category for tracking pages with math errors was added:    :.

Problems
 * The Wikimedia Etherpad crashed on June 23. Some edits done that day have been lost. They can be found at etherpad-restore.wikimedia.org for another few days.

Changes this week
 * Octicons-sync.svg The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 28 June. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 29 June. It will be on all wikis from 30 June (calendar).
 * The way to mark notifications as read or unread will be changed to be more clear.

Meetings
 * Octicons-sync.svg You can join the next meeting with the VisualEditor team. During the meeting, you can tell developers which bugs you think are the most important. The meeting will be on 28 June at 19:00 (UTC). See how to join.

Future changes
 * The Collaboration team at the Wikimedia Foundation will look at developing better tools for edit review. This is because research suggests we scare away newcomers who want to help.
 * An e-mail from the Editing Department explains the technical work that is planned and being researched for the future. Items include better wikitext and visual editing, prompts for edits, language improvements, annotations, and meta-data separation.
 * The sorting of Notifications into the two fly-out menus is going to change on July 5 to 7. Bundled notifications should be easier to explore and mark as read individually.
 * Octicons-tools.svg From 29 June git.wikimedia.org (running Gitblit) will redirect all requests to Phabricator. The vast majority of requests should be correctly redirected.
 * Catalan and Polish Wikipedias will have Wikidata descriptions added to articles in the mobile view by default. This is currently a beta option for the mobile versions. This might come to other wikis later.

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Kenneth Franklin
You might want to check diff at Kenneth Franklin. I would just fix the death date and age in the infobox but you might need to adjust AWB settings? Johnuniq (talk) 01:08, 28 June 2016 (UTC)
 * It was a manual edit and my fault. Bgwhite (talk) 04:13, 28 June 2016 (UTC)

Requesting further explanation on navbox removal
Hello.

Could you explain further your reason for deleting the navbox on the pages Tutong Sixth Form Centre, Sengkurong Sixth Form Centre, Sayyidina Ali Secondary School and Maktab Sains Paduka Seri Begawan Sultan? I can't seem to understand your comment 'not how a navbox is done using AWB' since I did not use AWB or some sort - I simply add the codes to the edit page. Note though that I've just recently joined in contributing articles in Wikipedia so at this stage I don't see why my edit on navbox is not right.

Regards, Zulfadli51 (talk) 05:52, 28 June 2016 (UTC)

Zulfadli51 you first have to create the navbox! -- Magioladitis (talk) 05:58, 28 June 2016 (UTC)


 * You don't put the navbox code into every single article. Instead, you put the code into a template and then add the template into the articles.  This way, if something changes with the navbox, you only change the template then it's automagically updated into the articles.
 * Copy the code into a page in template space... say Template:Bahrain sixth form schools.
 * Add into the articles the template...
 * I just did one for several articles. The template is Template:Junior Aerovision and it went into the article Junior Aerovision.  Bgwhite (talk) 06:00, 28 June 2016 (UTC)


 * Magioladitis & Bgwhite I see. Thanks. :-) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Zulfadli51 (talk • contribs) 06:06, 28 June 2016 (UTC)

Reference errors on 28 June
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Translations vs. foreign language articles
I notice that in the list of Jesuit Institutions you changed from translated to foreign language versions for some of the schools. Could you please familiarize me with the principle that you are employing here? Thanks!Jzsj (talk) 16:57, 29 June 2016 (UTC)
 * When linking to an article on another Wikipedia language, there are two main options that are described here.  Using https://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colégio_Santo_Inácio as an example.
 * a)  produces pt:Colégio Santo Inácio or b)   produces Colégio Santo Inácio
 * Use the ill template.   produces .  When the Colégio Santo Inácio  article is created on English Wikipedia, the (pt) link will disappear.
 * Which one to use is upto you. For names of people, I go with the template if it appears not to be a common name, because I'm hoping an article will be created.  Otherwise, I usually go with option #1a.  Usually the name in a foreign language is going to be different in English (pt:Catedral Metropolitana de Brasília vs Cathedral of Brasília).  I like the link showing the language as a help for the reader.  Bgwhite (talk) 21:57, 29 June 2016 (UTC)

WP:LEAD
You have edited a number articles (eg Ford Modular engine) to remove  from. Since  does not render any text to the screen, there is nothing that interferes with a screen reader. Therefore WP:LEAD has nothing to apply to in this instance.  Stepho  talk 06:36, 30 June 2016 (UTC)
 * You obviously didn't read my last edit summary as this was never mentioned. Bgwhite (talk) 06:39, 30 June 2016 (UTC)


 * ??? The edit summary that was current when I wrote the above was "WP:CHECKWIKI error fix #97. No content between TOC and first headline per WP:TOC and WP:LEAD. This is an accessibility issue for users of screen readers. Do general fixes and cleanup if needed. - usingAWB". Although I should amend the above to say that you deleted the full   . WP inserts a   on its own, so the final difference on the users screen is the effect of whitespace controlled by the   . This whitespace is ignored by screen readers, therefore it has no effect on screen. But removing it does have an effect on how long infoboxes can intrude into the next section.  Stepho  talk  06:49, 30 June 2016 (UTC)


 * Please read my LAST edit summary. Bgwhite (talk) 06:55, 30 June 2016 (UTC)

Simpsons?
You reverted a recent copyedit I made on List of Recurring The Simpsons Characters and just wondered why. I found the Duffman sentence needed clearing up and did so (though I'd argue mine is better than what was there), I'm perplexed by the reversion on the one about Dolph: "amusingly" strikes me as a particularly POV word in this case. No hard feelings; just like to know why so I can better my input. PacificBoy  10:43, 30 June 2016 (UTC)

Siredejoinville
Hi, entirely agree with your block here but the 3-month block template should have your name in it rather than mine. -- Euryalus (talk) 04:22, 30 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I copied your previous block and didn't change your name. Bgwhite (talk) 05:35, 30 June 2016 (UTC)
 * All good, thanks. -- Euryalus (talk) 10:45, 30 June 2016 (UTC)

Sabri Godo Revision as of 05:23, 1 July 2016 (edit)
Hey BgWhite.

Thx for the taking care of the Article. I noticed, the references to some youtube vids are gone. I don't know exactly, if it's wiki's policy not to redirect to youtube, but those contained documentaries and interviews of Sabri Godo, talking about his life. There is a lot of information in those. The problem is : the television recording them, does not have a user friendly archive interface where you can redirect to. Do you have any suggestions ?

Kind regards. Ilir Ilir Jorgo (talk) 12:30, 1 July 2016 (UTC)
 * See WP:YOUTUBE, WP:SPS. Also, WP:DAW. -- Red rose64 (talk) 20:00, 1 July 2016 (UTC)