User talk:Bgwhite/Archive 6

New Page Triage engagement strategy released
Hey guys!

I'm dropping you a note because you filled out the New Page Patrol survey, and indicated you'd be interested in being contacted about follow-up work. This is to notify you that we've finally released both the initial documentation about the project and also the engagement strategy, which sets out how we plan to work with the community on this. Please give both a read, and leave any comments or suggestions you have on the talkpage, on my talkpage, or in my inbox -.

It's awesome to finally get to start work on this! :). Okeyes (WMF) (talk) 02:03, 3 March 2012 (UTC)

Alessio Jim Della Valle
Uh, ok, thanks for clarifying me! Regards, Cavarrone (talk) 06:16, 3 March 2012 (UTC)

Clean-up
You cleaned up a page I was in the process of editing, getting rid of the headings as I was in the process of adding the info. Do you check to see if an edit is in process? I just took a coffee break. Marj (talk) 08:47, 3 March 2012 (UTC)
 * There is no way tell if somebody is in the middle of editing a page. All you can see is if somebody saved an edit while you are editing.  I usually copy my work and past it again in a new window.  Bgwhite (talk) 08:51, 3 March 2012 (UTC)
 * No worries - I should go to bed anyway. Marj (talk) 09:21, 3 March 2012 (UTC)

Spelman
Hi, I removed the template as the article is notable - it has been a lead story in both Television and Radio news for the last 24 hours, see https://www.google.com/search?client=ubuntu&channel=fs&q=jonathan+spelman&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&gl=uk Unibond (talk) 09:07, 3 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Please read WP:NOT. Just because somebody shows up in the news, does not make one notable. Bgwhite (talk) 09:10, 3 March 2012 (UTC)

Talkback
  Assassin'S Creed    T -  E  -  C  -  G  - 14:50, 3 March 2012 (UTC)

AWB
Hello Bgwhite, I think you are a little busy that's why you didn't reply. Can you please help me in using AWB, I read User manual on AWB but understood a little. Hopefully.--   Assassin'S Creed    T -  E  -  C  -  G  - 14:28, 4 March 2012 (UTC)

your recent change to the Carmen Balcells article
You changed the lead sentence from "is the most famous literary agent in the world of Spanish letters" to "is a literary agent of Spanish letters". You said this was using peacock terms. It is not. It is the way she is described in the Spanish press. The second citation takes us to her bio at the Prince of Spain's personal foundation where (direct quotation) it says "is the most celebrated literary agent in the world of Spanish-language literature". If she were just a literary agent she wouldn't be notable and wouldn't deserve an article on Wikipedia. I am going to change it back.--GroveGuy (talk) 00:00, 5 March 2012 (UTC)
 * To have that as the first sentence is a peacock term. It is like a movie article with the lead sentence by "critic" proclaiming the movie the best in the world.  The lead paragraph is to describe what follows in the article, not to throw out superlatives.  Bgwhite (talk) 04:22, 5 March 2012 (UTC)
 * I am struggling to understand your viewpoint. This is a direct quotation by the son of the King of Spain. This is what the largest newspaper in the Spanish language calls her; "es una de las personalidades más poderosas e influyentes de las letras hispanas." But I will change it back because this is the first time I ever got an article on the front page of Wikipedia and I don't want my mother to see this disruptive tag.--GroveGuy (talk) 11:19, 5 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Contact User:Drmies about it. He excels at giving advice on new articles. It's sort of his specialty.  If he feels it is ok or should be worded different, I sure wouldn't have a problem.  Also, be very careful as you have a conflict of interest.  See WP:COI for more info.  Not saying you shouldn't work on your Mother's article, but you should take caution. Bgwhite (talk) 21:42, 5 March 2012 (UTC)
 * I have contacted Drmies. I agree to abide by his decision. Also - there is no conflict of interest - my mother is not involved except as a reader of my articles. I do not know Carmen Balcells. She is just someone my friends were talking about and I was amazed there was no Wikipedia article about her. So I created one. --GroveGuy (talk) 23:12, 5 March 2012 (UTC)

Account password question
Greetings Bgwhite. Sorry to bug you again so soon but someone in my office just asked me a question and I cannot, for the life of me, find the answer. If someone creates an account, forgets their password and does not have an EMAIL in their account settings, is it possible to reset it somehow or do they just need to create a new account? Thanks in advance. ShmuckatellieJoe (talk) 19:49, 6 March 2012 (UTC)
 * There is no way to recover or reset the password without an email account. They can set up a new one.  It is "illegal" to have two accounts unless you are upfront about it.  They can get banned for having two accounts, it is called Sock puppetry.  I have a second account, User:BG19bot, but the page lists that it is a secondary account. On their old account, add the Former account template to take of the problem...      Also, add and email address to it or use something like Lastpass. Bgwhite (talk) 21:24, 6 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Ok well thats too bad. I told him and he said it wasn't worth the hassle. As he put it, if Wikipedia doesn't have a way to recover his old account and then wants to add all sorts of rules and caveats to avoid him getting banned, because they are incapable of recovering the old account, its a good enough reason for him to stay away. I hate to sound like a jerk about it but I rather agree with him. I guess that also means that Kumioko user is out of luck too according to his userpage. ShmuckatellieJoe (talk) 23:51, 6 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Well, the problem being is how do we know your friend and his old account go together? Wikipedia is always at the top of reports where privacy is concerned... Wikipedia has nothing around tying an account to anything except an email address.  Wikipedia never asks for anything else and doesn't place cookies on your computer.  Second, if you friend doesn't have alot of edits, what does it matter?  They can retrieve all their old pages because all pages are publicly viewable.  Only thing changed would be their edit count starting at 0.
 * There is a big problem with Sock puppet accounts. But, I said, "can get banned" and not will get banned.  If their old account never edits again, there is a 0% chance of them ever getting banned.  I was just offering a suggestion above to make it clear to anyone about the change of accounts.
 * Kumioko did it on purpose. I think he was so angry he wasn't thinking straight on alot of things, but I can't blame him.  More importantly, if he comes back, he doesn't want to be associated with the Kumioko account.  There is too much stigma attached to Kumioko.  It is called Clean start. Bgwhite (talk) 00:16, 7 March 2012 (UTC)
 * All good points. Its still isn't an easy process and I would guess that rules like that are part of the reason why there are so many Sockpuppet accounts that get banned. MY guess is most don't know the rule so they just create a new account and edit in good faith. At some point someone finds out and criminalize the activity. Only a guess mind you I really don't know.
 * Thats probably true for Kumioko, it seems a shame. In the week or so I have been here, reading and bouncing around it seems like there isn't a page they didn't touch. The name was absolutely every where. Maybe that was part of the problem, I dunno. I looked at his edit count with that edit counter thing. 320, 000 holy crap. They must have lived on here, lol. If I invested that much time and effort I would probably get a bit angry too. It doesn't seem like the situation was handled well at all but what do I know, I've been here for a week. Anyway, thanks again. ShmuckatellieJoe (talk) 00:52, 7 March 2012 (UTC)

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Daniello Ojeda
Thank you for correct this article and your time. You are absolutely right. I have been trying to get more reliable sources but I couldnt find more, online at least. You can delete this article. Like i said, thank you again from Miami. Im really appreciate it.

Misty2011 (talk) 00:28, 8 March 2012 (UTC)

thank you for the corrections on this article. But you are absollutely right. I have been trying

New Persondata-o-matic release
FYI I've put a new release up at Persondata-o-matic with Hellknowz's changes and a few others, should deal with the problem of piped links in fields. A comprehensive solution would require somewhat more work, but this will deal with most cases. Dcoetzee 09:22, 8 March 2012 (UTC)

AWB Bug
Hello! Just checked your edit at Tahir Rafique Butt, probably there is sum bug in AWB, which you may like to report. -- S M S  Talk 14:06, 8 March 2012 (UTC)

Harriet Elizabeth Byrd
I noticed that you added the article I recently created on former Wyoming politician Harriet Elizabeth Byrd to WikiProject Nevada and would like to know your reasoning for doing so since she has no obvious connection to Nevada. --TommyBoy (talk) 14:14, 8 March 2012 (UTC)
 * It was me having a brain fart. I wish I knew what I was thinking at the time. Bgwhite (talk) 19:26, 8 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your response. I figured it was a mistake, and went ahead and removed the WikiProject tag. Incidentally enough, as a member of three different U.S. state WikiProjects, I have made the same mistake myself when adding WikiProject tags to articles, so it's no big deal. --TommyBoy (talk) 03:01, 9 March 2012 (UTC)

Page Triage newsletter
Hey guys!

Thanks to all of you who have commented on the New Page Triage talkpage. If you haven't had a chance yet, check it out; we're discussing some pretty interesting ideas, both from the Foundation and the community, and moving towards implementing quite a few of them :).

In addition, on Tuesday 13th March, we're holding an office hours session in #wikimedia-office on IRC at 19:00 UTC (11am Pacific time). If you can make it, please do; we'll have a lot of stuff to show you and talk about, including (hopefully) a timetable of when we're planning to do what. If you can't come, for whatever reason, let me know on my talkpage and I'm happy to send you the logs so you can get an idea of what happened :). Regards, Okeyes (WMF) (talk) 23:51, 8 March 2012 (UTC)

Ismail Seremba
Hi Bgwhite, Can I please move the Ismail Seremba page from Article to User Talk till he is called up for senior team? :)


 * You can't put it into your talk page, but you can copy it to anywhere in your user area. There's a page called a "Sandbox", that people have to test out edits or place copies of pages they are working on.  I've already copied the article to User:ZZ47/Sandbox. Bgwhite (talk) 10:35, 9 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Ok. Thanks Bgwhite. So, Can you please tell me how to save the page by deletion?
 * You can't. You will have to wait till he plays a match with the senior team. Bgwhite (talk) 21:40, 9 March 2012 (UTC)

Thank you...
...for your contribution to David F. Denison. Ottawahitech (talk) 20:14, 10 March 2012 (UTC)

More diff news
Just letting you know that the diff display gadget you told me about has just been enhanced. It's now much closer to the option which you said you were eagerly anticipating. (It's not the same yet, but getting there....) M AN d ARAX  •  XAЯA b ИA M  21:55, 10 March 2012 (UTC)
 * After reading the discussion on Mandarax's page, I enabled that gadget, and I like it. Thanks for mentioning it, Bg.  Lady  of  Shalott  22:26, 10 March 2012 (UTC)

Thanks
I just wanted to say thanks for fixing the banner I broke at Talk:List of United States tornadoes from January to February 2012. I guess I was thinking of Mickey mouse or something when I did that. ShmuckatellieJoe (talk) 03:04, 11 March 2012 (UTC)
 * I wish I could say I had altruistic motives on fixing your banner. But, there is a database page of broken banners that get updated once a week.  I fix them because half of them are my mistakes.  Bgwhite (talk) 07:20, 11 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Lol, fair enough. Funnily enough I read something similar on Kumioko's talk archive. Although the user seems to have fallen from grace I have found their edits to be a trove of useful knowledge. The user seemed to dabble in just about everything and appeared to me to possess at least equal skills in most respects as any administrator I have come in contact with, without having access to the tools. I expect it will be a long time before Wikipedia can replace them. I regret I didn't get to know them before they lost interest in the project. Anyway, thanks again. ShmuckatellieJoe (talk) 14:51, 11 March 2012 (UTC)

Markéta Ringelová
Hi Bgwhite, I notice you tagged Markéta Ringelová for the German football task force. I don't know much about this player, but I am interested why you tagged her as German when I found no information about this when I created the article. Maybe you could share it with me or add it to the article? Thank you. - Cloudz 679 10:04, 12 March 2012 (UTC)

About Article: Rasaq
Hey, you've put the article Rasaq up for speedy deletion, and it was deleted. I am not a professional wikipedian and don't know if I could undo that. It would of been better if you posted it directly saying that the article has copyright on it, I would've removed them.

- JoyRider - No harm intended — Preceding unsigned comment added by JoyRiderProdz (talk • contribs) 11:02, 11 March 2012 (UTC)


 * The entire article was a copy-paste from another website and not just parts. So, there would be an empty article if the copyrighted material were removed.  You can create the article again. Bgwhite (talk) 18:49, 12 March 2012 (UTC)

A quick note
Hi Bgwhite, I saw what you wrote here and here, and while I've done my best to ignore the various postings for the last month, it just got to be too much over the last couple of days. Please let me know if there is anything I should do besides nothing for the time being, as I assume that's the best course of action. Best, Markvs88 (talk) 21:00, 12 March 2012 (UTC)

References formatting
Bgwhite, Can you please format the references of User:ZZ47/Ismail Rasheed, as the references in the page Greg Abbott (footballer). So, that I will also learn ho add reference links like that. I know Referencing for beginners will help me for that but i still feel difficult. :


 * No problems. I'm about to sleep for the night, so I'll get to it tomorrow. Bgwhite (talk) 10:52, 9 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Ok, Thanks :)
 * I did the references and also did alot of cleanups. Bgwhite (talk) 21:39, 9 March 2012 (UTC)

Ok, So is User:ZZ47/Ismail Rasheed ready to be moved to Article from User Page?
 * I put some "needs citations" tags in the article. Could you find references for those.  Also, make sure you sign you posts with ~ to leave your signature behind. Bgwhite (talk) 07:00, 10 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Sorry man.. There are no sources for them in any websites. They are too old Tele dramas, of 1990s. So, what can i do to solve the problem? ZZ47 (talk) 13:34, 11 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes, I've got a source. A recent news from the website www.haveeru.com.mv. But the problem is that, it's written in Dhivehi Language. So, is there anything i can do? ZZ47 (talk) 13:39, 11 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I didn't know your replied. Dhivehi Language references are fine.  English is preferred over any other language.  But, sometimes the references are only in another language. Bgwhite (talk) 06:30, 14 March 2012 (UTC)

New Page Triage newsletter
Hey all!

Thanks to everyone who attended our first office hours session; the logs can be found here, if you missed it, and we should be holding a second one on Thursday, 22 March 2012 at 18:00 UTC in #wikimedia-office. I hope to see you all there :).

In the meantime, I have greatly expanded the details available at New Page Triage: there's a lot more info about precisely what we're planning. If you have ideas, and they aren't listed there, bring them up and I'll pass them on to the developers for consideration in the second sprint. And if you know anyone who might be interested in contributing, send them there too!

Regards, Okeyes (WMF) (talk) 00:21, 14 March 2012 (UTC)

Ismail Seremba
Hi Bgwhite, I have deleted the proposed deletion tag of the page. Please see the talk page Talk:Ismail Seremba :) ZZ47 (talk) 06:14, 14 March 2012 (UTC)

Talkback
ZZ47 (talk) 06:49, 14 March 2012 (UTC)

Problem with blp addition
Just a line to let you know that your addition of blp to Talk:Florian Idenburg had the effect of removing the WikiProjects from normal display. - Ipigott (talk) 08:39, 13 March 2012 (UTC)
 * blp is required for living biographies if WikiProjectBannerShell is used. There is also a tracking category to fix those cases.  Also, priority in WP Biography is no longer a valid parameter.  Should use a&e-priority, sports-priority, politician-priority.  See template:WikiProject Biography for valid parameters. Bgwhite (talk) 18:42, 13 March 2012 (UTC)
 * I understand your message but your addition simply didn't work. I've had other problems with semi-automatic changes to the bio WP. Can you point me to an example that actually works rather than a set of rules - or simply give me the code here. I am hopeless at following Wikipedia rules but not too bad at writing articles! Thanks. - Ipigott (talk) 18:59, 13 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Look at Talk:Florian Idenburg again. Mandarax came by and reapplied the changes.  I use AWB manually, so no semi-automatic changes to talk pages.  I make mistakes along with everybody else.  Bgwhite (talk) 19:04, 13 March 2012 (UTC)
 * First of all, I think I owe you something of an apology for the tone of my messages which, on re-reading, do not seem very polite. I appreciate the time and trouble you constantly devote to improving less than perfect additions by other editors. I have now had time to look through the template page you indicated but find it difficult to follow. As far as I can see from the edit by Mandarax, when using a shell, all that is necessary is to add "blp=yes|1=" at the end of the shell line. I eventually found something similar under Template:WikiProjectBannerShell. I'll try to go back over my last 20 or 30 biographies of living people and make the change. Thanks once again. - Ipigott (talk) 07:43, 14 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes, Template:WikiProjectBannerShell is the one you should use. "blp=yes|1=" is all you need to add.  It is sort of an inside joke about the "1=".  Nobody really knows why it is necessary, but people keep using it.   The template actually works fine without it.  Generally, only add WikiProjectBannerShell if there are 4 or more banners.  WikiProject Biography always goes first.
 * There is a tracking category for pages that that don't have blp=yes, but needs it. It gets updated late Wednesdays and then all the articles get taken care of.  So, any article you wrote before last Wednesday should already have blp=yes.  No apologies are necessary.  If you ever have a question, don't hesitate to ask on my talk page. Bgwhite (talk) 08:37, 14 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Either the tracking category doesn't work properly or not all the articles are taken care of. I just corrected about 18 talk pages of articles I have written over the past month as they didn't have blp. Don't worry though - I will not make the mistake again. - Ipigott (talk) 18:59, 14 March 2012 (UTC)
 * I can't remember my old mistakes because I'm too busy making new ones. Bgwhite (talk) 21:17, 14 March 2012 (UTC)

Talkback
Sir Sputnik (talk) 16:10, 14 March 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for your very thoughtful gifts...
...I'm just embarrassed that I didn't get anything for you!! Beyond My Ken (talk) 03:43, 14 March 2012 (UTC)


 * You are very welcome. I try to be very thoughtful and helpful in any way possible.  With your comments on Drmies talkpage, it just had to be done.  Hmmm, that Drmies is again the source for discord between us.  Why are wasting our energy against each other when it should be focused on Drmies.  Kill the Drmies!!!! Bgwhite (talk) 05:23, 14 March 2012 (UTC)


 * Indeed. Let us parlay and plan our strategy! Beyond My Ken (talk) 23:14, 14 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Pfff. You're just a bunch of h8ers. Drmies (talk) 14:43, 15 March 2012 (UTC)

Template:Talk header
I have just restored the so-called unnecessary Template:Talk header that you deleted from the talk page of the Dawn Buth article. I just checked the talk page for the template and TfD, and I found absolutely no discussion about this template being "unnecessary," being phased out or otherwise deprecated. Can you explain your deletions of this template in terms of Wikipedia policy or other consensus? Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 06:06, 15 March 2012 (UTC)
 * First off, change your tone. Argumentative tone and accusations are totally uncalled for.  Nice to see you restore and then ask questions later.  The civil ways is to ask questions first.
 * From Template:Talk_header, "Talk pages that attract frequent or perpetual debate, articles often subject to controversy, and/or recent-and-highly-visible topics are usually appropriate for this template."
 * From WikiProject_Talk_pages under specific task. "Removing from all but the most controversial pages".
 * A nobody tennis player and college tennis coach is not going to be a controversial subject. There is something called WP:OVERTAGGING. Bgwhite (talk) 06:23, 15 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your explanation. Sorry if my original comment came across as snappish.  I see edit-count-obsessed editors rearrange trivial things like spacing on talk pages all the time, without actually making substantive changes, as they zip through 4 or 5 talk page edits per minute en route to their bazillion-edit goal.  You apparently are not one of them.  Thank you for your efforts.  Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 15:20, 15 March 2012 (UTC)
 * I don't edit an article if the only thing I do is to remove the talk banner. This means you didn't see my other edit, which would probably be controversial in your eyes as you added it.  I removed the WP Florida banner as she has nothing todo with the State of Florida other than living there for four years.  She is clearly associated Univ. of Florida, but not the state.  Some athletes are associated with a state.  Tim Tebow comes to mind as he grew up in Florida and mentions Florida alot.
 * FYI... My daily routine is to take the new entries on the daily updated Database reports/Recently created biographies of living people and
 * On the article: Do an AWB sweep, fix any glaring problems, add DEFAULTSORT, and add Persondata. If something is fishy, I investigate further and apply a Prod or whatever is warranted.
 * On the talk page: add listas, living, class, and work groups to bio banner.  Add any other banners that I can remember.  Easily over a 1/3 of new articles are for footballers, so I've got the WP Football template down pat.  Remove unneeded banners... WP Sports and WP Film don't include people and I see them added alot.
 * When I have time to do something else, I usually work to add the Bio banner or fix a specific problem in a tracking category... plus out of habit or stupidity  I also do the above things on these articles too.
 * I do have alot of edits. I can't say I don't peek at the edit count or compare it to others, but number of edits is not my goal.  To paraphrase another editor, I'm Sisyphus, rolling a boulder up a hill until some category is cleared out, watch the boulder roll down and roll it back up to clear the category out again.  Rinse Repeat.  Anotherwords, I roll rocks for "fun". Bgwhite (talk) 06:13, 16 March 2012 (UTC)

Kirshbaum proposed deletion
Instead of proposing deletion, why don't you google the name and add a reference,  hmm? It would take less time, given that his name has several hundred news artiles as results. KenThomas (talk) 02:12, 17 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Here's an even better thought. When you create a 13 word article, why don't you Google for a reference so other people don't have to do your work?  Hmm, it would take less time than you putting a snarky message on suncreator's and my talk pages.  Should I call you a lazy moocher like you called me for not even bothering to put a reference on an article you created?  Should I find references for the other 22 new articles that came by today without references?  Bgwhite (talk) 05:00, 17 March 2012 (UTC)

Bio templates
Thanks for your reminder about the work groups.

Re: assessment, I want to point out that sometimes if the article is substantial, I don't feel comfortable adding an assessment higher than stub or start; this is why I may leave it as unassessed. Sometimes I might miss that it is a stub; a lot of stub articles aren't marked as such... My goal is to add a bio tag if it isn't there (i.e., no talk page/red link) and then have others more expert than I review it for an assessment. If this creates more work, I apologize, but I guess I'd rather err on the conservative side...Sincerely,--FeanorStar7 (talk) 19:23, 17 March 2012 (UTC)

User:ZZ47/Ismail Rasheed
Hi Bgwhite, The page Ismail Khilath Rasheed is redirected from the page Ismail Rasheed, I feel it is useless to keep the page Ismail Rasheed. So, how about making User:ZZ47/Ismail Rasheed moved to the name Ismail Rasheed, as Ismail Khilath Rasheed and Ismail Rasheed are not the same person.? ZZ47 (talk) 12:57, 18 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Yup, that sounds like a good idea. I'll do it right now. Bgwhite (talk) 19:26, 18 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Hey now, Bgwhite, not so fast. You copied the content but not the history, and thus you violated the requirement of the GFDL. Your ANI notification will be here shortly. Keep in mind that a move means everything is moved. (I was tipped off because the article is still there in user space.) What I'll do is move the article from user space to article space, deleting the current article, and then restore the history (those two edits for a redirect and your copy and paste). Now, you couldn't move it because there was a redirect in the way; next time, ask an admin, or get Mandarax to ask for the bit. Drmies (talk) 00:13, 19 March 2012 (UTC)

Help
Please help me to understand this article Boeing 747-7. Which tag should me required ???? --- Angel from PAKISTAN  Let's talk about it! 14:52, 19 March 2012 (UTC)
 * There is no Boeing 747-7 article. Which one are you looking at? Bgwhite (talk) 17:55, 19 March 2012 (UTC)

help triage some feedback
Hey guys.

I appreciate this isn't quite what you signed up for, but I figured as people who are already pretty good at evaluating whether material is useful or not useful through Special:NewPages, you might be interested :). Over the last few months we've been developing the new Article Feedback Tool, which features a free text box. it is imperative that we work out in advance what proportion of feedback is useful or not so we can adjust the design accordingly and not overwhelm you with nonsense.

This is being done through the Feedback Evaluation System (FES), a tool that lets editors run through a stream of comments, selecting their value and viability, so we know what type of design should be promoted or avoided. We're about to start a new round of evaluations, beginning with an office hours session tomorrow at 18:00 UTC. If you'd like to help preemptively kill poor feedback, come along to #wikimedia-office and we'll show you how to use the tool. If you can't make it, send me an email at or drop a note on my talkpage, and I'm happy to give you a quick walkthrough in a one-on-one session :).

All the best, Okeyes (WMF) (talk) 21:33, 20 March 2012 (UTC)

Bio banners
I add dozen of them per week, I am not surprised I make a mistake occasionally. Thanks for fixing it. Regarding parameter order, I am pretty sure they work in any order. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; talk to me 23:01, 26 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Please get your numbers right; 99% is quite wrong :> (for the record, I see what happened; I mistakenly assumed all of those bishops were dead - a simple mistake replicated across a few articles, sigh) --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; talk to me 23:11, 26 March 2012 (UTC)

Speedy deletion declined: John Carlin (footballer)
Hello Bgwhite. I am just letting you know that I declined the speedy deletion of John Carlin (footballer), a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern: there was an entry for John Carlin on the site quoted - I have corrected the reference link. Thank you. JohnCD (talk) 12:20, 28 March 2012 (UTC)
 * The creating editor added over 30 articles in a five day span. Only two of them actually had correct information.  I was trying to make a point that by adding absolutely the wrong everything, the article could be deleted.  Hopefully the editor would straighten up and I don't have to spend several hours correcting the mistakes. Bgwhite (talk) 17:48, 28 March 2012 (UTC)

Help
Help Me Please !!!!! --- Angel from PAKISTAN  Let's talk about it! 13:51, 28 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Blocked as one of many socks of . JohnCD (talk) 15:12, 28 March 2012 (UTC)
 * I see where the person created sock accounts, but I don't how they are connected to Sabeeel43. Could you point me to the sockpuppet investigation. Bgwhite (talk) 17:50, 28 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Sockpuppet investigations/Cool Angel links them. JohnCD (talk) 17:54, 28 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Ah ok, I was just looking under Sabeeel43. Thank you for the clarification.  Bgwhite (talk) 17:58, 28 March 2012 (UTC)
 * FYI... Cool Angel asked for help from User:Assassin's Creed.  I've made mention of the sockpuppet mess on Assassin's talk page. Bgwhite (talk) 18:04, 28 March 2012 (UTC)

Thankss
Thank you on the help at the Brad Maddox article --Nakurio (talk) 18:34, 28 March 2012 (UTC)

Thanks a lot!
Thank you for kind help with Vladimir Arenev article. I'm doing my best reading all the manuals, but that was the first article. Regards, Ajaksus (talk) 08:33, 30 March 2012 (UTC)

Saddoboxing is my Site
It does matter Btgwhite. Worse, I deleted all references to Saddoboxing in the new version of the Henry Hascup biography. Worse, I wrote the Wiki story FIRST and then wrote the Saddoboximng story on Henry Hascup AFTERWARDS to provide a supporting reference AS I ALWAYS DO. I am one of Wiki's principal boxing contributors. In fact Hascup is an invaluable source of much of the boxing info for Wiki. It is not copyrighted information, it is my site! The second entry on Hascup does not cite Saddoboxing. If you insist, I will never cite Saddoboxing again in my Wiki boxing entries, meaning hundreds of entries would have to be deleted. But maybe you can help if there is a way to cite my articles in the future you can provide me with the structure for that. The articles in many cases are written to support Wiki entries when no other citations are available. In addition, the Hascup data appears on Boxrec. It appeared on Boxrec first, I wrote it, my Saddoboxing stories always follow Boxrec entries and then I cite both. By the way, none of my articles and photos are actually copyrighted, I just say that so the information will not be used improperly by individuals without permission. Obviously if I am writing the article for the express purpose of supporting a Wikipedia entry I have my own permission! Settle this.....with friendship, Robert Brizel (Cocoruff)


 * The reference clearly states "Copyright © 2010 - 2012 Saddo Boxing". Everything on the page is assumed copyrighted unless it states otherwise.  I don't know who you are or what you are saying is true about you owning the site.  The site owner has to grant permission to use the material.  Requesting copyright permission contains information on how to do that.


 * Also, you are doing original research to back up the Wikipedia article. Do not reference your own articles. Your articles have no references what so ever. Per WP:SELFPUBLISH, the reference and what you are referencing should be deleted.  If the Wikipedia article's only reference is your article, which also has no reference, then the article should be removed.


 * If you write articles, then the references you use must go into the Wikipedia article. As the famous saying goes, "Verifiability, and not truth, is one of the fundamental requirements for inclusion in Wikipedia." Bgwhite (talk) 22:02, 30 March 2012 (UTC)

Rosy Wilde
You don't often show up editing articles on my watchlist, or their talk pages, as you did with Talk:Rosy Wilde. It's odd. I can easily see how someone could've added WPBiography; that's something that could accidentally be done based solely on the article title without even looking at the article. But what puzzles me is that they included "living=yes". And they had not only looked at the article, but edited it just twenty minutes earlier. Oh well. Anyways, good job removing it. M AN d ARAX •  XAЯA b ИA M  10:37, 31 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Toolserver has been dead for a week, so I can't do my "normal" daily routine. I've been going thru and clearing out certain categories.  Your page was in the Potential biographies of living people report... Articles that contain living=yes on their talk page, but the main article doesn't have a category if they are dead or alive.  In about 1/2 of the articles, the people are dead.  A good 30-40 aren't biographies, but have the biography banner. Bgwhite (talk) 22:15, 31 March 2012 (UTC)

WikiProject Nevada
Following up on our conversation from earlier this month regarding your accidental inclusion of the Harriet Elizabeth Byrd article in WikiProject Nevada, if you were looking for articles to add to that WikiProject, I previously created an article on Nevada politician Kathy Augustine which may be of interest. --TommyBoy (talk) 14:11, 31 March 2012 (UTC)

Sydney John Bunney
Please use better edit summaries in future—that is, if you feel compelled to add ridiculous tags to an obviously new and developing article, it would be courteous to mention it in the edit summary. Thank you. HJ Mitchell &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?  22:26, 31 March 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Ralph Dewey
The DYK project (nominate) 16:05, 1 April 2012 (UTC)

Talkback
  Assassin'S Creed    T -  E  -  C  -  G  - 07:15, 2 April 2012 (UTC)

A big NPT update
Hey! Big update on what the developers have been working on, and what is coming up:

coding
 * Fixes for the "moved pages do not show up in Special:NewPages" and "pages created from redirects do not show up in Special:NewPages" bugs have been completed and signed off on. Unfortunately we won't be able to integrate them into the existing version, but they will be worked into the Page Triage interface.
 * Coding has been completed on three elements; the API for displaying metadata about the article in the "list view", the ability to keep the "patrol" button visible if you edit an article before patrolling it, and the automatic removal of deleted pages from the queue. All three are awaiting testing but otherwise complete.

All other elements are either undergoing research, or about to have development started. I appreciate this sounds like we've not got through much work, and truthfully we're a bit disappointed with it as well; we thought we'd be going at a faster pace :(. Unfortunately there seems to be some 24-72 hour bug sweeping the San Francisco office at the moment, and at one time or another we've had several devs out of it. It's kind of messed with workflow.

Stuff to look at

We've got a pair of new mockups to comment on that deal with the filtering mechanism; this is a slightly updated mockup of the list view, and this is what the filtering tab is going to look like. All thoughts, comments and suggestions welcome on the NPT talkpage :). I'd also like to thank the people who came to our last two office hours sessions; the logs will be shortly available here.

I've also just heard that the first functional prototype for enwiki will be deployed mid-April! Really, really stoked to see this happening :). We're finding out if we can stick something up a bit sooner on prototype.wiki or something.

I appreciate there may be questions or suggestions where I've said "I'll find out and get back to you" and then, uh. not ;p. I sincerely apologise for that: things have been a bit hectic at this end over the last few weeks. But if you've got anything I've missed, drop me a line and I'll deal with it! Further questions or issues to the usual address. Thanks, Okeyes (WMF) (talk) 17:05, 3 April 2012 (UTC)

Talk:Bernardo Hurault
Thanks. Any idea why the RC project tag doesn't show properly? I tried to fix it. In ictu oculi (talk) 00:33, 8 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Sorry for messing it up. Catholic banner was still inside biography... biography's closing }} was after catholic.  Bgwhite (talk) 06:16, 8 April 2012 (UTC)

Talk:Dalto (composer)
I'd appreciate you visit the page above and answer my question. Thanks. E. Feld talk 00:30, 8 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Sources don't go into a heading. Per MOS:HEAD, "Citations should not be placed within or on the same line as section and subsection headings."
 * ✅ E. Feld  talk 20:06, 8 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Couple of other things
 * Nice to have an infobox. Use Template:Infobox person.  You don't have to fill in every parameter.
 * ✅ E. Feld  talk 20:06, 8 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Put "stage name Dalto" inside the date or before. Can't remember which is correct.
 * ✅ E. Feld  talk 20:06, 8 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Bgwhite (talk) 06:29, 8 April 2012 (UTC)

Gaku Homma
I wonder what to do here. I understand the reasoning behind the speedy delete but I also think the previous AfD nomination was in error. Gaku Homma had quite a large influence in early US Aikido. I really do think the new attempt at the article should be given a chance. Would it make sense to re-submit it as an AfD or is there some other way to delay deletion.Peter Rehse (talk) 05:53, 9 April 2012 (UTC)
 * The problem I see is there are no good references. There are two refs to himself, one generic one about the books and one that really doesn't say much about him.  The article also needs more to say about him.
 * If it is deleted, I suggest creating the article in your sandbox. See About the Sandbox about creating your sandbox. A sandbox is place where you can play around or get an article ready for publication.  When you think you have an article ready, then copy it into Wikipedia main space.  When you get the refs and write more, I can take a look and give any advise.  Being deleted by a previous AfD does not mean the article can never be recreated.  The article just has to overcome the reasons for deletion.  A common example is a footballer who was deleted for never playing a pro game... As soon as the footballer plays in one, the article gets re-created. Bgwhite (talk) 06:09, 9 April 2012 (UTC)

OK thanks - I expanded it a bit and added a main stream media reference. I am pretty far removed from the subject (different style of Aikido, different continent) but I just feel that he is far more prominent than many. I do know that another editor has been making changes and I wanted it to have a chance which is why I removed the speedy deletion tag earlier.Peter Rehse (talk) 06:32, 9 April 2012 (UTC)

Moses Asaga
Thanks for your edit on the above article. I am not sure where Twitter comes into it though. Interestingly, I do not even have a Twitter account.--Natsubee (talk) 11:17, 9 April 2012 (UTC)

Be quick, or be dead
I'll make sure they are either both alive, or both dead; unlike me, half dead but hangin' in there! Bashereyre (talk) 08:20, 10 April 2012 (UTC)

Gallieno Ferri
The procedure I follow with articles about people is that there has to be a reference to change them from living to dead. On the Gallieno Ferri article I added the category living people and you reverted me. I would like to know why before I resurrect him. --Racklever (talk) 12:34, 11 April 2012 (UTC)
 * The message above this one was about Anglican bishops that were living in the article, but were dead on the talk page.  I told him that I thought an army of Anglican bishop zombies will soon start "baptizing" people to become zombies.  Looks like we have our first confirmed baptism.  I'm immune to zombies... I have no brain for them to eat.
 * There is actually a death date in the article. It's in PERSONDATA.  Now if it is correct or not is a different story.  Most articles don't have a reference for birth or deaths dates.  So, you would be reverting alot of deaths.   This could be a case of another Abe Vigoda where somebody thinks/puts/vandalizes a death date.  If you have reason to believe they are alive for any reason, check on the internet and then remove the death date if needs be. Bgwhite (talk) 19:48, 11 April 2012 (UTC)

Talkback
  Assassin'S Creed    T -  E  -  C  -  G  - 12:27, 15 April 2012 (UTC)

Are you a Ubuntu user by any chance?
Thanks for all your edits in the articles I created (last was this). I also have AWB permission, but just can't use it, because I could not even install AWB in my Ububtu OS in last few months. Are you a Ubuntu (Linux) user by any chance? Actually I am searching a Linux (preferably Ububtu) + AWB user! --Tito Dutta (Message) 08:48, 15 April 2012 (UTC)
 * I use windows for AWB because of compatibility problems I had with Fedora a few years ago. I'm on an older version of Fedora.  I'll download the latest Fedora beta and give AWB a whirl.  Been using Redhat since version 4.0 (1996), so I'm an old dog, and Ubuntu is a new trick. I'll report back on Monday.. I'm going to bed.  Bgwhite (talk) 09:05, 15 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Ah, thanks! --Tito Dutta (Message) 09:08, 15 April 2012 (UTC)
 * The beta release has been pushed back till Tuesday. Grrr, it is already two weeks late.  I'll update my Fedora on Tuesday and look at getting AWB working then. Bgwhite (talk) 09:15, 15 April 2012 (UTC)
 * I have not used Fedora.. Do you need any special settings in Wine (software)? The Wine software is not recognizing AWB as exe file, that's the problem! --Tito Dutta (Message) 09:21, 15 April 2012 (UTC)
 * I've never had a problem with it recognizing an exe. The problem was either it wouldn't run under wine or getting the right software installed (get right version of IE, get a missing dll, get right version of .net, or...).
 * You may want to try CrossOver from CodeWeavers. They have a free 14-day trial.  CodeWeavers are the people that support Wine.  It has an extremely easy way to install programs.  If AWB runs under Crossover, then it "should" run under wine.  I used to use CrossOver when I was a Linux admin and have nothing but praise for it. Bgwhite (talk) 20:11, 15 April 2012 (UTC)

Repost CSD
Hello, Bgwhite. You quite rightly nominated Curtis Lawrence Mega for speedy deletion as a repost after an AfD deletion. However, it took me quite a lot of searching to find the AfD, as it was at Articles for deletion/Curt Mega, rather than at Articles for deletion/Curtis Lawrence Mega. In this situation you should use. Not only does this save the reviewing admin trouble, but there is also a risk that, if the AfD can't be found, the speedy deletion will just be declined. JamesBWatson (talk) 12:02, 16 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I'll do that next time. FYI... the link to the AfD was on the talk page.  A new bot is running that adds a message about any previous AfD's the new article may have had to the talk page.  So, if this happens again with a new article, check the talk page. Bgwhite (talk) 17:43, 16 April 2012 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

 * Tried to post the above message thrice from Firefox, "Sorry! We could not process your edit due to a loss of session data." Trying log outlog in, cache-cookies clear etc! Now, trying from Chrome!
 * You're welcome! No one will knock my door at 1:15 AM at night! --Tito Dutta (Message) 19:58, 17 April 2012 (UTC)

Iranian football articles
Thanks for the heads up, I did notice a player active in the 90s had a template for a 70s squad on. I am starting to have concerns over the editor's in question's competence, with regards to notability and sourcing... GiantSnowman 15:32, 17 April 2012 (UTC)

Can you?.

 * Hi active Bgwhite, would you please help relating appropriate categories to the newly created articles Iftikhar Imam Siddiqui and Shair,and its talk pages.Thanks.Justice007 (talk) 19:53, 17 April 2012 (UTC)
 * I'm not a category person, but to me it looks like the article has the correct categories. Bgwhite (talk) 20:16, 18 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Sorry, please don't mind.Thanks.Justice007 (talk) 20:38, 18 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Don't say sorry. Feel free to ask me anything.  I may not know the answer, but I just might... Bgwhite (talk) 21:16, 18 April 2012 (UTC)

Need Help
Hello Bgwhite, a very good evening to you. Its been a long time i am writing to you, hope everything is fine at your place. Here i am distressing you because i need your help badly. Being a wikipedian is really fun and honor thing but we should not forget that its a responsibility also. An article named Uttar Pradesh is an one of the not only oldest but also finest state of the India. So that all newcomers are feel proud to edit and making changes with that article but hey forget that every section of that demands some references. I am not saying to bite those newcomers or block them, because i was the newcomer once too :D, thing is that adding unnecessary points make article uninteresting. So, i just like to know whether this (Uttar Pradesh) can be protected, at least it gets semi-protected so that vandalism do not takes place. When you'll visit,you'll find that users have been added 2-3 lines with no sense. So dear i request you to take appropriate decision regarding this issue. I am all sure that you won't disappoint me. Apologies if i've used any bad or poor words, during typing such a whole requestThanking you:-) Wikipedian RpaiguRpaigu (talk) 16:36, 18 April 2012 (UTC)


 * I'm not an admin, so I can't put any protection on the article. The person doing the deletions is new and not too experienced.  Removing content mid-word is very strange.  To me, they are making some correct edits, but also removing paragraphs for no reason.  I'll alert some people who do India articles and do some reverts on some of the paragraphs.  Looks like another editor has restored all the removal of the categories and interwikilinks.  Bgwhite (talk) 20:16, 18 April 2012 (UTC)

Talkback
AshLin (talk) 06:38, 20 April 2012 (UTC)

Object-PL/SQL
As you have given me a real help on fixing articles, I was recently granted with the autopatroll flag, witch made me very glad, because it's good to have one's work recognized; but I don't want to disappoint the community; so, you have offered me help when I needed, now I ask you for a glance on the article above. Thanks in advance. E. Feld talk 02:32, 20 April 2012 (UTC)
 * I did some copy editing. I'm not too sure on some things due to the highly technically nature of the article.  I was confused about the "Autonomy, notoriety and importance of O-PL/SQL" section.  I haven't a clue on what to do or what it means.  Also, there is a stung out sentence that should be made into a couple of sentences. Bgwhite (talk) 21:42, 20 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Dear Bgwhite, helpful as ever. I've split the sentence and clarified it. Waiting the feedback :) E. Feld  talk 00:30, 21 April 2012 (UTC)

BLPs
Hi, I wonder if you know if there is a tool which will count how many articles are BLPs? 40,000? (=1%), 400,000 (=10% of 4m articles) etc.? In ictu oculi (talk) 09:30, 20 April 2012 (UTC)


 * It isn't an inexact number, but a rough guess would be:
 * Category:Biography articles of living people or  Category:Living people vs.  Category:WikiProject Biography articles
 * Bgwhite (talk) 21:15, 20 April 2012 (UTC)


 * Should also mention, I normally see around 100-120 new living biographies come in every day. However, in the past few weeks it has been 180-210 with a high of 362.  I'm only making an educated guess, but I'd roughly guess 20 new dead biographies a day come in. Bgwhite (talk) 00:30, 21 April 2012 (UTC)

Non notable footballer
hi, completely fine by me- I did it randomly for completeness with someone of the same name. I'll blank the page. In ictu oculi (talk) 08:03, 23 April 2012 (UTC)

Class
Sorry, an oversight. "Start" is better. ;) --Kasper2006 (talk) 06:46, 24 April 2012 (UTC)

Defaultsorts
If that's true, it's quite new; for years upon years upon years the rule was that you had to make a special point of overriding "Mc" names with a "Mac" sortkey. Bearcat (talk) 06:36, 25 April 2012 (UTC)
 * I fully understand, believe me. I just didn't know about it, that's all... Bearcat (talk) 07:04, 25 April 2012 (UTC)

Ben Parcell
Firstly thanks for the contributions to my article, Whilst I partially agree with the statement (Remove facebook, myspace and blog refs. These are unreliable and cannot be used.) I do not think that a blanket assumption that these are unreliable sources on these types of sites should be applied. For example one of the references that you removed was regarding an official blog for the radio station that the artist performed on. Another was the Facebook event page for a show that the artist played at showing all the details and confirming the support slot for of an established act. Would you oppose to me rolling back certain references which I see as credible that you omitted? Thanks Acousticscene (talk) 12:46, 25 April 2012 (UTC)
 * The blog is iffy, but it is ok to add it back in. I'd say no to the Facebook page as too unreliable.  I was tempted to do a deletion nomination on the article.  Most of the refs just barely mention him and back up trivial statements.  The blog ref is a good example because being on a radio show is trivial.  I'd remove alot of the trivial stuff such as the "He has played alongside established artists" paragraph.  His albums are self-published, which isn't grounds for an article.  Two things led me to believe the article should stay, one, there are some sources about him and two, he was part of a previous band.  Is there any way you could add more about his previous band?  That would help out nobility and give information on eight years of his life.  Also, I'd move one of the album coverts to the left side of the page.  This would look better instead of the right all being photos.  This is just my opinion and not part of set rules.  If you truly thing the Facebook ref should be added back, I'd have no objections.  Also, thank you for contacting me.  Most people would just revert and then it gets messy.  Communication, like what you have done, goes along way. Bgwhite (talk) 21:21, 25 April 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the great feedback and going a lot further than the deletionists which I've encountered previously. It encourages newcomers like myself to provide sound Wikipedia edits in the future. I will take into consideration your suggestions and apply some of them over the next few days. Thanks Acousticscene (talk) 22:57, 25 April 2012 (UTC)

Question about article Elena Mikhaylova
Please tell me where I could challenge deletion of the article. Hhhggg (talk) 05:52, 26 April 2012 (UTC)
 * The place to go is Deletion review
 * However, the article was originally deleted via a discussion. The discussion brought out that she only competed in junior ski events in Russia.  For a current skier to have an article, they must have skiing at the professional level (World cup or X Games are examples) or at the Olympics.  She has done neither, so the chances of reversal are slim. Bgwhite (talk) 06:03, 26 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Thank you very much. Hhhggg (talk) 06:45, 26 April 2012 (UTC)

Re:Lee Korzits
Sorry was a typo (printing mistake), the athlete is a woman, however, the references said it clearly. I ask for forgiveness for putting "start" in the quality, but I thought that the biography of the sailors was different to those of athletics (having fewer sailors), and therefore: «An article that is developing, but which is quite incomplete and may require further reliable sources.» was worth. ;)) --Kasper2006 (talk) 06:53, 26 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Again sorry. No, every my articles are my own job not yet traslations. Some times I use "google translator" for my own concepts, some times (like now) "I'm going to arm" (we sayd in Italy). Tnx again, ok for the next time I'll put the right quality scale, also for the sailors biography. --Kasper2006 (talk) 07:13, 26 April 2012 (UTC)

User:ZZ47/Golu Ke Goggles
Hi Bgwhite, Can you please check the page User:ZZ47/Golu Ke Goggles and tell me whether it can now be moved to ARTICLES or not.. ZZ47 (talk) 07:08, 26 April 2012 (UTC)
 * I made some changes, mostly copy editing. It could use another source.  Also, I'd add how many episodes were produced.  I'd say it can be moved over to article space.  However, it has to be done by an admin because I edited it.  I'll ask an admin to move it. He is probably asleep, so he will move it later today. Bgwhite (talk) 07:31, 26 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Ok, Thanks.. :) by the way Bgwhite, are you an Indian? ZZ47 (talk) 07:45, 26 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Nope, I live in a mountain valley in America. I live next door to a Hindu temple and celebrated Holi at another local temple.  20,000 people splattered with different colours is a sight to see.  Other than wishing I could marry Aishwarya Rai, I have no connections with India.  I was asked a couple months ago if I was Pakistani.  One reason why I enjoy working on Wikipedia is meeting people from all over the world. Bgwhite (talk) 08:06, 26 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Yeah.. Me too love meeting people from all over the world. Though I am a Maldivian and have no connections with india, I can understand Hindi and Urdu.. and talk too. by the way, where have you added the no of episodes? ZZ47 (talk) 08:17, 26 April 2012 (UTC)

Congratulations
Buster Seven   Talk  11 Jan 2012 (UTC)

Diego Mendieta
you correct, Mr. Mendieta born in Paraguay. Iha9c (talk) 12:40, 23 April 2012