User talk:Bhadani/Archive1

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Happy editing! Mel Etitis ( &Mu;&epsilon;&lambda; &Epsilon;&tau;&eta;&tau;&eta;&sigmaf; ) 15:11, 24 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Keep it up!
Hey, I noticed some of your recent edits and I'd like to thank you for your boldness in creating a few articles. Your work is appreciated. --Dmcdevit 05:52, 27 Mar 2005 (UTC)

PS, judging by your edits (and name)you might look at Notice board for India-related topics. And you can always check out the open tasks if you need more ideas!

Thanks
hi to you both and to all others,

My sincere thanks for the kind words and the suggestions.

--Bhadani 06:25, 27 Mar 2005 (UTC)

India
Welcome to the India contributors. Your experience would be handy. If you need any assistance, you can message me. Nichalp 18:38, Mar 27, 2005 (UTC)

thanks Sundar
thanks for reverting back the jharkhand page, where I did something inadvertantly ... 'hope to have ur assitance ... actually drawing inspiration from Tamilnadu page I was trying to put a district map of jahrkhand there ... anyway, thank to u and all others ...

Links that might be useful
Hi, Welcome aboard. You may find the following links useful:

User:Sundar (talk • contribs) 13:03, Mar 28, 2005 (UTC)

Jharkhand
You can rollback your mistakes by looking at the history tab on the top of your page. Just see the history and click on the date+time. Click on Edit; ignore the warning and save the page. PS your image on Jharkhand districts may be deleted if you do not add the tags for it. Nichalp 19:35, Mar 29, 2005 (UTC)
 * Our best state page is Sikkim, which is a Featured Article (one of wikipedia's best). It would be a good idea if you can emulate Sikkim. You may also take a look at Goa, which I've almost finished. Nichalp 20:33, Mar 29, 2005 (UTC)

hello from India
Thanks for the note. Welcome to Wikipedia. From a glance at your recent contributions it looks like you're doing great work. --Tony Sidaway|Talk 14:27, 2 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Image tags
If the images are created by you then there is no problem. If it is from a site, then you would need to get explicit permission from the site to upload the images. Each image on wikipedia needs to be tagged so that we know the details on how the image is licenced.

Briefly licences are as follows:


 * 1) Public Domain: Publisher has given up all rights to the image and anyone can use it for commercial or non-commercial use.
 * 2) GFDL: Wikipedia is licenced under GFDL. Briefly this means that the image may be modified by anyone who wishes to, but would have to credit you as the original developer. Commercial use if any, can only be undertaken if you are contacted.
 * 3) Creative Commons: Similar to Public Domain, but the original author would need to be credited.
 * 4) Copyrighted: not recommended for wikipedia.
 * 5) (There are a few more; such as for flags, logos etc)


 * To tag an image use the following tags:, (if the image is yours),  (there are more versions and subgroups here) on the image page. A preferred way of adding the tags is by directly adding the tag in the summary box while uploading. See image:sikkimdistricts.png

If the image is made by you, It would be better if the image was saved as a PNG image file instead of JPEG. If the image is licenced under the first three points, consider uploading it to Wikipedia Commons so that the image can be shared by other wikipedia languages. Nichalp 18:23, Mar 30, 2005 (UTC)

Welcome
Welcome to Wikipedia. I know how addictive it can be. Your life won't be the same. :) RickK 19:47, Apr 2, 2005 (UTC)

Johar
Take a look at this page: What wikipedia is not. Please not e this is an encyclopedia, and any personaly views and poetic language not suitable to wikipedia is liable to be deleted. Please do not add such pages in the future. I encourage you to improve the three states as best as you can. =  ( talk  •  contribs )= 18:10, Apr 2, 2005 (UTC)

Johar Jharkhand
Howdy. Regarding the Johar Jharkhand article: my reference to "Nigerian email scam" in my vote for deletion was only meant to draw a comparison between writing styles. I've been getting a lot of that kind of spam lately, and the article only reminded me of it. No offense meant.

Also: I suppose you've already realized your mistake, since you reposted your message to me on my talk page, but user communication ought to go on user talk pages, not user pages themselves. If you make this mistake again in the future (I do all the time when leaving a message for a user that does not yet have a user page) I don't think anyone would mind if you just remove the message.

Welcome to Wikipedia. Have fun! android&harr;talk 22:00, Apr 2, 2005 (UTC)

article Awasthi under VfD
Hello Tony, I just edited the article but while editing I had forgotten to log on. I had also placed my intention to edit the article, while giving my comments in respect of VfD. How can the edits which I did can be given to me? Please help me, if possible.--Bhadani 19:39, 4 Apr 2005 (UTC)


 * It's okay, this happens a lot. Just go back to what you wrote and append --~ to sign it. --Tony Sidaway|Talk 22:00, 4 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for your support
Thanks for your vote of support for my adminship. -- User:Sundar (talk • contribs) 05:20, Apr 4, 2005 (UTC)

Goa
Since you like the Goa article, you may want to vote for it in WP:FAC so that it can be upgraded as one of wikipedia's best. On April 7 (UTC), check main page of wikipedia for Today's Featured Article for a special article. =  ( talk  •  contribs )= 20:20, Apr 5, 2005 (UTC)

Thank you
Thank you for supporting my adminship &mdash; I vow to use my super powers for good not evil. Mel Etitis ( &Mu;&epsilon;&lambda; &Epsilon;&tau;&eta;&tau;&eta;&sigmaf; ) 09:54, 6 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Goa -- references
Could you provide references to the matter you listed on the Goa vote? It would be nice to include the matter, but you would have to reference the matter. Please list the book or the link as is already done. (We're running out of time...) =  ( talk  •  contribs )= 19:04, Apr 8, 2005 (UTC)


 * One more thing. Would you comment on my map: image:IndiaMaharashtratest.png? Some Bangladesh islands are incorrectly coloured and Sri Lanka is missing, I know. I'm looking to replace all the states and UTs with the map. =   ( talk  •  contribs )= 19:19, Apr 8, 2005 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the link =   ( talk  •  contribs )=

Thanks
Hi Mr. Bhadani,

Thanks for your editing of Awasthi Page. Just wanted to check if you have written Asthana Brahmins by error at some places (cause I have never heard of any.)

Regards, and thanks once again. Bobby Awasthi

Mahabodhi Temple
I'm very pleased to hear that you are arranging for new images of the temple! That will be very nice. Right now, we only have one picture, and it's not very good. However, there is no need to have a space for images before the images are ready -- you can always add it later! Also, it is better not to add more than a few images to an article. If you have a lot of pictures to add, please use Wikimedia Commons! You can add pictures straight to http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mahabodhi_Temple. This will be much more convenient for other editors. - Nat Krause 14:14, 13 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Thanks
Thanks for your wishes. -- User:Sundar (talk • contribs) 05:51, Apr 14, 2005 (UTC)

Jharkhand
I read with interest your well-written Jharkhand article. Would you include some of the best medical facilities available in Ranchi/Jharkhand? Thanks! Swami Vimokshananda 04:30, 17 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Bihar
I'm a little confused, I'm afraid. the issue seems to be simply whether the article on Bihar should be called 'Bihar' or Bihar (India). Could you explain why you think that the latter is inaccurate or unacceptable? Mel Etitis ( &Mu;&epsilon;&lambda; &Epsilon;&tau;&eta;&tau;&eta;&sigmaf; ) 10:34, 17 Apr 2005 (UTC)


 * The normal Wikipedia approach would be that the main article space should go to the best-know usage, which is surely the Indian Bihar, I agree. Actually, I disagree with the policy, because what counts as the most common isn't always clear, and because it could be argued that people are more likely to be looking for the more obscure uses than the well-known ones &mdash; but that's beside the point.  I'll speak to people about this. Mel Etitis  ( &Mu;&epsilon;&lambda; &Epsilon;&tau;&eta;&tau;&eta;&sigmaf; ) 11:35, 17 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Looks like User:Hottentot is new. He did some cut-and-paste jobs at Bihar and Bihar, India, and even blanked Bihar (disambiguation). This looks to have been out of ignorance over the right way to do page moves, and lack of experience with Wikipedia--which is to be expected. I reversed these and protected the redirect currently at Bihar, India. From his latest response on Talk:Bihar I see is acknowledging his error and so everything is hunky dory. :) --Tony Sidaway|Talk 13:43, 17 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Mahabodhi Temple
Thanks; that's fine. My edits there were part of a general editing to separate out Sacred Fig (the species) from Bodhi tree (an individual specimen of the species). Do you know what language(s) the names Bo and Peepul derive from? Are they both Hindi, or other languages? I think it would be good to add this information at Sacred Fig. - MPF 18:17, 17 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Just noticed, from the above, you're planning on getting some photos of the temple - a photo of the Bodhi tree would be brilliant too, at the moment the only photo is a clone of it in Hawaii, which isn't right! - MPF 18:21, 17 Apr 2005 (UTC)

re: Bihar
I noticed your messages just now. Sorry that I couldn't help. Any case, the issue is now resolved. Also it's better that neither Nichalp nor me involved. Because, otherwise it wouldn't be considered a neutral solution. -- User:Sundar (talk • contribs) 04:09, Apr 18, 2005 (UTC)

re:Raipur
If I correctly recall, I happened to stumble upon it while doing some RC or NP patrolling. I had taken on the habit of making a few suggestions to other COTW, and so I remembered it and posted it over to WP:INCOTW. Circeus 12:21, Apr 20, 2005 (UTC)

Madhya Pradesh
GOt your message. PS. Do you have any idea as to what a native of Madhya Pradesh is called? My friend stumped us once with this query. =  ( talk  •  contribs )= 19:00, Apr 20, 2005 (UTC)

RURAL MARKETS
As you requested, I checked over the page and made a new vote. Smoddy (Rabbit and pork) 18:04, 21 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Great work deserves a reward
Bhadani, I've been a bit busy and I really should find time now to welcome you.

Nothing on Wikipedia makes me more proud than to see a new editor find our great encyclopedia and in next to no time make himself seem indispensible to the loose community that is engaged on producing it.

Our first encounter was not auspicious--I summarily deleted what was perhaps your first created article because, as I felt at the time "It seems to have been written in some kind of pidjin--English words, foreign grammar", but when RickK nominated the same article, rewritten, for deletion, you handled that beautifully and I was convinced from the first that here was a person of exceptional courtesy and goodwill. In looking back at that article I see that the grammar is close to English but the writing style is perhaps a little more poetic than we anglo-saxons are used to.


 * Johar !!! I belong to Ranchi, the capital of Ranchi. Johar is synonymous with Namaskar in Hindi and Vanakkam in Tamil and is widely used by the Jharkhandis. Jharkhand should rightly be described as the Jewel in the crown of Republic of India as Jharkhand has unparalleled mineral wealth and forestry products together with excellent human resources waiting in the wings to take off in the current millennium.

Since then in a few short weeks I have watched you improve articles, start new ones, save potentially good articles from deletion by improving them, welcome new users, reassuring people who may not know where to look for help, and generally exude competence and courtesy, becoming at once an ambassador to others who are new to Wikipedia and a great example to newcomers and existing editors (myself included). You make Wikipedia a better place. Thank you. I humbly award you a butterfly as an exceptional newcomer. --Tony Sidaway|Talk 21:26, 22 Apr 2005 (UTC)

My adminship: thanks!
Hi Bhadani. Thanks very much for your vote for my RfA. I promise to be prudent, wise, sagacious and totally unilateral in all my admin affairs. I should say that I am very pleased at the number of people who supported me – it's very nice to know I'm making a positive impact. Cheers again, Smoddy (Rabbit and pork) 21:12, 24 Apr 2005 (UTC)

re: Ancient Indian Science and Technology
Hi, I've come back from a trip back home only today. I read the said article and I really liked it. Some suggestions: The tone can be made more encyclopedic by bringing down the number of adjectives that appear to eulogise as opposed to merely stating the facts. Please remember that the article is an account on the title and not a means to demonstrate how great India was. Good work. -- User:Sundar (talk • contribs) 05:32, Apr 25, 2005 (UTC)

I'll definitely help copyediting. I forgot to mention earlier that I noticed the award given by Tony Sidaway. Congrats. Continue the good work. We need valuable edits from "older" wikipedians like you :-) -- User:Sundar (talk • contribs) 06:20, Apr 25, 2005 (UTC)

Hi there...
When I received your messages I was rather surprised actually. I’ve been using the Wiki sites for the past two years now and had never even noticed the “member” feature. So thanks for initiating that realization! And your welcome for the editing job, I get bored often at night (well, early morning now) and occasionally tidy up articles I happen to stumble upon. Glad to meet you!

~AmberA|Talk

African cuisine (among others) - thank you for your hard work!
Thank you for your fantastic work on the African cuisine article. I've removed the stub tags I added a week ago, meaning to research this and add to it (my research and expand plan now seems to apply to every article on wikipedia...). You have created a wonderful article and your work as ever is of the highest quality, while the sheer quantity of your contributions in your first month on Wikipedia puts us all to shame! I humbly award you this barnstar as a token of my appreciation and my thanks: keep up the excellent work! SteveW | Talk 23:38, 26 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * I'm glad you see it that way. That's how I feel about Wikipedia as well, but I do feel that we should take the time to congratulate others on a job well done and thank them for their hard work (especially on jobs that the rest of us have put on our "Too hard - maybe later" lists!).  So thank you again and I look forward to reading more of your contributions.  SteveW | Talk 01:36, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Archiving
You create talk archives like any other subpage, i.e. you first make a red link like User talk:Bhadani/Archive1, then cut and paste old discussion from your talk into the archive. And welcome to Wiki :) --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 13:14, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Hullo Bhadani
Dear B, you're wondering? Wondering exactly WHAT I am? A firang who likes to watch Bollywood movies, that's all. I've been doing it for several years. And reading books. Learning all the time. But I don't know much compared to you guys who grew up watching Doordarshan  and then going to the movies and watching anything that was on ... Zora 08:42, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC)

thank you for your encouragement
hmm hello, my dear friend. thank you for your encouragement. i think i must improve my english level, so i say my english is poor. and can you teach me english? although i am a student, i need to know more imformation in the wikipedia. the same to the india, China is a great country. the people live in china is very virtuous and hardworking. the chinese culture is very fantastic and centuries-old. the girl in china is beautiful. ;) *^_^* so welcome to my country!! --icywind 15:23, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC)

good night
thank you! my dear friend. you are right, my english is less practise. so i want a person to teach me standart english. do you have an MSN Massenger ID? mine is lkkity@hotmail.com. in these day i have to be busy, and i must be leave for some days. ok. it's too late, i must go to sleep. good night!! --icywind 16:16, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Re: Fast (Patna)
I'm always happy to help keep this place tidy. :) To be honest I've been slower than usual lately, due to certain responsibilities in my offline life. However, I was able to fix the Patna article quickly because of two factors: I was already monitoring the offending user's edits because he/she had already vandalised other articles; and I'm an administrator, which lets me quickly revert or rollback the edits of a user by clicking a link on the diff page. It's handy when I'm going through a large block of edits, trying to sort the good from the bad. Cheers, -- Hadal 18:33, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Nice to hear
Nice to hear from you. Please keep in touch. &mdash;iFaqeer (Talk to me!) 19:55, Apr 27, 2005 (UTC)

About:

http://urdu-ke-naam.blogspot.com

That blog's not really "mine" (my main blog is at http://iFaqeer.blogspot.com), it's a collaboration with some folks who are mainly in Hyderabad (Deccan) (see Hyderabad, India and Hyderabad state), one of the homes of Urdu. &mdash;iFaqeer (Talk to me!) 19:55, Apr 27, 2005 (UTC)

Re: Welcome back
Thanks. Actually my engineering exams are going on and I've decided to cut down my Wikipedia work till June. But I just can't resist the urge, so I am here once in a while. By the way, your work on India-related articles is greatly appreciated. utcursch | talk 09:10, Apr 28, 2005 (UTC)

Posting articles on VFD
In regards to this edit, next time please follow the instructions for posting articles on VFD. Thanks. Zzyzx11 | Talk 17:28, 29 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * The instructions are located at the bottom of the VFD page. Zzyzx11 | Talk 17:31, 29 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Hariram
That's completely all right; everyone makes mistakes. At least you didn't become enraged and insist that the article must be kept. Did you know Hariram personally? DS 17:29, 29 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Re: assistance sought
Someone else already fixed it on VfD. I only sent the message to you just in case you did not know. Zzyzx11 | Talk 18:16, 29 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Cuisine of Africa
I have done the needful with regards to that name. Also, just thought you might like to know that I think Tony Sidaway mistakenly corrected the misspellings that I think were purposefully put on your user page! I thought it was funny, but now they're spelled right :) --Dmcdevit 06:22, 30 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for drawing my attention!
This article gives almost required information on every topic dealt with. I wonder whether under Medicine & Surgery the ancient Oil Therapy as practised in Kerala now can be added. A few words on gharelu nuska for minor ailments as used in the villages of Bihar for generations may be of some interest. (Run a spell check, of course…)
 * VMO 06:04, 5 May 2005 (UTC)

Family traditions
No problem. I had little hand in the decision; consensus seemed to be to keep the rewrite or at least to give it a chance in its new version and admins should know to give consideration to an article that has been rewritten. It looks much better now, by the way; nice work! Mindspillage (spill yours?) 18:00, 5 May 2005 (UTC)

Battle of Saragarhi
Hi Bhadani, I agree the article has lots of potential. I stumbled across it while clearing copyright violations, someone had copied an external article into Wikipedia so it had to be deleted. But it was such an interesting topic that I wrote a new stub. I'm goint to try and make a map of the battlfield.--Duk 17:32, 7 May 2005 (UTC)

COTW Project
You voted for Culture of Ancient Rome, this week's Collaboration of the week. Please come and help it become a featured-standard article.

I'm back
Hi. Was wondering what the fuss about my absence was all about (was away for only a fortnight). Anyways, thought I'd keep you informed that I'm back. =  ( talk  •  contribs )= 04:24, May 10, 2005 (UTC)

Of course I remember Awasti - how could I forget?
Thanks for your kind note remembering me. One glance at your Ancient Indian science and technology is enough for me to know we are kindred spirits. I have been away from Wikipedia for some time due to work constraints and my "ownership" issues with certain articles, most notably Holistic science. I am still digesting the lessons learned. All the best. Smithfarm 09:11, 16 May 2005 (UTC)
 * The debate is being changed from the Stalin link to the "license raj." What is it and how did it work? You can see this from my talk page. Zscout370 (Sound Off) 21:16, 20 May 2005 (UTC)
 * My response at his page - (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Zscout370)--Bhadani 04:01, 22 May 2005 (UTC)

Nehru article
I know you quit looking at the article because of the nature of personal attacks, but I seriously need your help. We can just work on this on your talk page or mine. It is about the sources of the Nehru-Stalin connection. I know this connection was made in blogs, which I never trust for me news and information. Is there any true sources out there, even in your country? Because if this connection is not really talked about in India, then it is pretty much not notable anywhere else. Zscout370 (Sound Off) 04:49, 20 May 2005 (UTC)

Thanks
I thank you Mr. Bhadani for appreciation on my edits. I will collect images on Bhimbetka very soon and provide on Wikipedia.burdak 03:42, 23 May 2005 (UTC)

Image of Bhimbetka rock painting
Hi Bhadani ! I have got some images of Rock paintings at Bhimbetka. Posted one image in the article on Bhimbetka. Do you think more images needed ? burdak 17:14, 26 May 2005 (UTC)

Kannur
I have been working on the Kannur article for some time. I need your help in taking it to greater heights. I have seen that you had made some editing in this article. Please assist me in this endeavour.Thanks sumal

Nehru talk troll
Hi Bhadani, I took the liberty of removing the long and anonymous personal attack from the Nehru talk page. WP guidelines suggest removal of personal attacks, and that stuff had no place, even on a talk page, it was just trolling. You got drawn into responding to that in some detail--I understand, it's easy to take it personally when you are insulted. However, I would recommend that you remove your responses as well, now that I removed the attacks. You were right, of course, but the response to the troll is a digression from discussing the Nehru page itself... I will not, of course, remove your good faith signed comments myself, that's for their author (you) to decide. All the best, Lulu of the Lotus-Eaters 23:45, 2005 May 28 (UTC)

I'm back
Hi. Thanks for your wishes. My reports are now clear and so won't have to take those horrible medicines. Regards, =   ( talk  •  contribs )= 06:10, May 17, 2005 (UTC)

- Hi,

Can you get a fact check done on the Perinthalmanna's history part of the article? Iam not quite sure about it, I have already started cleaning up the article. Any help would be welcome. Jisha C J 09:25, 22 May 2005 (UTC)

No Problem
Your welcome, and thank you for your kind message. I hope we can help each other in the future--Sophitus 18:25, May 30, 2005 (UTC)

COTW Project
You voted for Roaring Twenties, this week's Collaboration of the week. Please come and help it become a featured-standard article. Falphin 03:32, 31 May 2005 (UTC)

hi thank you very much
hi, my dear indian friend. long time no see you. because i have to be busy with my thesis. by the way, i'm sorrow to tell you that i must go to work in recent time. so maybe no time to be online, and no time to come to wiki. but i hope we can make friends any time!

thank you, wuhan university is my alma mater, it is very beautiful. you can see, thank you for your constructive work.

Perinthalmanna
Hi, Good to hear that. The History part of the article is really confusing. Hope to receive more help on this article. Jisha C J 16:34, 1 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Geography of India
Hi, please review Geography of India, it will be put up for featured status soon. = Nichalp ( Talk )= 12:52, Jun 5, 2005 (UTC)

COTW Project
You voted for High Middle Ages, this week's Collaboration of the week. Please come and help it become a featured-standard article.

You're welcome
It's no problem; I'm happy to help. I'm sorry you have to deal with this&mdash;user-page vandalism is never appropriate, especially over a content dispute. Happy editing! &mdash; Knowledge Seeker &#2470; 00:59, 12 Jun 2005 (UTC)

your firsts edit
Your first edit was on 24-Mar-2005; 20:08 IST to the Jharkhand article. . BTW see how Indian Railways is coming up. = Nichalp ( Talk )= 07:03, Jun 15, 2005 (UTC)

wikification
Thanks for wikifying many of Bangladesh related articles, however in some cases, the level of wikificaiton is a little to detailed. For example, there was no need to wikify the word soldifer in Abu Taher. Similarly there is no need to wikify the word bus in Chittagong University. Too many wikilinks is visually confusing and convey no extra benefit. Thanks. --Ragib 21:54, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)


 * Dear Rajib, I got your point. I will restrict my wikification to avoid confusion. Please feel free to comment on wikification. --Bhadani 16:24, 17 Jun 2005 (UTC)


 * Thanks Bhadani, I really appreciate your efforts in doing this. --Ragib 16:39, 17 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for the cooperation
Bhadani, thanks for the expansion and editing on the Bangladesh related articles. I really appreciate your interest in making them better. Thanks. --Ragib 19:47, 17 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Buddhism in Bangladesh
I started the article by taking some content from Banglapedia, however, there may be a copyright issue about that. So, can you reword, rewrite the current content of Buddhism in Bangladesh? You can start by rephrasing current sections. I already rewrote the first para of the first section (see history). Thanks. --Ragib 08:50, 18 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Kannur
I need your help. Can we get it toghether to make it better? sumal


 * Thanks for the info. =Nichalp   «Talk»=  17:31, Jun 21, 2005 (UTC)

Chhattis.
Would you be having any idea as to the vehicular licence plates of Chhattisgarh? Is it CT or CG? =Nichalp   «Talk»=  13:40, Jun 21, 2005 (UTC)

Titumir
Bhadani, many many thanks to you for expanding the article. I really appreciate your tireless efforts to make South Asia related article better. You are improving Wikipedia a LOT!!!. Keep up the good work. Thanks. --Ragib 18:07, 22 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for the barnstar
Many many thanks for the barnstar. --Ragib 30 June 2005 22:16 (UTC)