User talk:BhagyaMani/Archive 14

Jaguar
You reverted my edit and claimed it was unsourced, but it is clearly sourced. Your reversion removed the source I added. The source says: "Fala-se “jaguaretê”, de ya'ara-ete, “fera verdadeira”, que era usado pelos guaranis para diferenciar a poderosa onça de um pulguento qualquer." which is the information I added. Mateussf (talk) 11:28, 4 January 2023 (UTC)

big lutrine opossum
Take a look at the recent edits here please. UtherSRG (talk) 13:38, 20 January 2023 (UTC)


 * Thanks! - UtherSRG (talk) 16:23, 20 January 2023 (UTC)
 * You are welcome. – BhagyaMani (talk) 18:46, 20 January 2023 (UTC)

Precious anniversary
--Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:40, 3 February 2023 (UTC)

Barbary lion
Hi, here you reverted my edit with this comment: "Unsourced changes : Black et al. did NOT even use the term clade NOR subclade".
 * I just checked Black et al. (2013) again : above comment is still valid : they did NEITHER use the terms clade NOR subclade. – BhagyaMani (talk) 13:39, 7 March 2023 (UTC)

In the section "Genetic research" of the article, I added the respective reference a a few edits earlier. The original source (Bertola et al., 2016) claims, that the Barbary lion is nested witin the same clade: "Within the North group, a clade that included all Asiatic lions and aDNA sequences from North Africa and Iran was significantly supported"

So if you do not disagree, I would revert your revert. I would also remove the taxobox. Best, Altaileopard (talk) 13:14, 7 March 2023 (UTC)
 * I disagree to removing the population taxobox. This is in use in other pages on populations as well. – BhagyaMani (talk) 13:39, 7 March 2023 (UTC)
 * What do you think about restoring my edits?--Altaileopard (talk) 19:57, 7 March 2023 (UTC)
 * I just saw that you responded already. No need to check Black et al. The reference, I am reffering to is Bertola et al., 2016.--Altaileopard (talk) 07:02, 8 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Helllo, I honor your work for the cat articles here in the english wikipedia. So I think we should work hand in hand. So please check again the respective reference. Best,--Altaileopard (talk) 20:53, 8 March 2023 (UTC)
 * I just saw, that there is now a section about phylogenetic aspects of the North African lions in the article. It was however, not completely correct. Therefore I corrected it. Best,--Altaileopard (talk) 09:19, 9 March 2023 (UTC)

Arabian Leopard
Dear BhagyaMani. Please stop editing the Arabian Leopard page to disregard the presence of the Arabian Leopard in Palestine. What you keep placing under "Israel" is in a large part Palestinian territory in reality. I urge you to put any political bias you may have aside and to look at the facts. Palestine is a state recognised by over 130 countries worldwide, as well as by the UN. By removing any edits regarding Palestine, you are choosing to disregard the truth in favour of your personal political views. Jaffacake68 (talk) 16:03, 3 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your message. And I urge you to read the title of this ref Perez et al. (2006) ".. Arabian leopards Panthera pardus nimr in Israel. If this title would be .. in Palestine, I would definitely NOT revert it. I do not have a political view about the Arabian leopard, nor about the people living in this region. In other pages, I have reverted the original mention of Palestine to Israel multiple times, depending on the source.
 * In contrast, YOU seem to have a political view on this issue. Whereas I think, that there is no need to politicize a leopard subspecies or any other wildlife. – BhagyaMani (talk) 17:43, 3 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Hi. I understand what you are saying and have actually read parts of the document. Several places that are mentioned in it are actually internationally recognised as Palestinian territory, such as the Judaean desert, as the vast majority of which is located in Palestinian territory, or the Judaean Mountains, which apart from a miniscule urban area west of Jerusalem are completely situated in Palestine. However, in the source document, they call them Israeli as Israel is one of the countries that doesn't recognise Palestine and claims all of the land for its own. The international community does not agree with this document's lack of recognition of the Palestinian-Israeli border, therefore it is our duty to take the information from sources objectively, rather than taking them outright. Jaffacake68 (talk) 14:29, 5 April 2023 (UTC)
 * I disagree. What you are suggesting is WP:SYNTH and not allowed. - UtherSRG (talk) 14:35, 5 April 2023 (UTC)
 * I'm not synthesising anything though. The information remains the same, it is only correcting the place name (which can be done with a quick look at google maps). Jaffacake68 (talk) 14:54, 5 April 2023 (UTC)
 * You are taking data from one source, and changing it base don looking at another source. You are synthesizing those two unrelated sources. That's the definition of WP:SYNTH. UtherSRG (talk) 14:56, 5 April 2023 (UTC)
 * In that case the original source should be discounted for providing false and biased information. Jaffacake68 (talk) 10:41, 6 April 2023 (UTC)

Caspian tiger
Why are you tampering with "Caspian Tiger" content for no reason? Parmin khosravi (talk) 22:34, 3 May 2023 (UTC)


 * Your edit attempts did not improve anything, but were rather disruptive. BhagyaMani (talk) 04:17, 4 May 2023 (UTC)

Why did you delet my contribution about the capture of a pair of Caspian tigers in Afghanistan in 1997 ? (talk)
 * Stop modifying my archives. – BhagyaMani (talk) 12:33, 14 November 2023 (UTC)

Leopard lead
I think it would be expanded. Its too short and the first section is too far up. LittleJerry (talk) 00:56, 27 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Yes, I agree it's a bit short. – BhagyaMani (talk) 07:56, 27 May 2023 (UTC)

List of mammals
Why do you remove Aurochs from list of mammals of Russia? Steller's sea cow is already included, so why not for Aurochs? Also for Great Britain. You removed Siberian roe deer, but Scottish red deer is separately mentioned from red deer, and other introduced deer are included.

Other pages include introduced and naturalized species. Is there any consensus approved to remove those species? If so, please show me. If not, then we may need to start such discussions and make an actual consent to avoid potential edit wars in the future. MinasOstiris (talk) 06:09, 31 May 2023 (UTC)


 * Mammals that have been extinct since the Middle Ages are NOT included in these lists following a discussion a couple of years ago. If extinct later, then they are listed in a separate section of the resp. list. -- BhagyaMani (talk) 11:07, 31 May 2023 (UTC)

do you recall where + when we discussed entry of aurochs in these lists? Cheers, BhagyaMani (talk) 11:09, 31 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I don't remember any such discussion.
 * Generally I'd say if extinct mammals are included they should have their own section. If there is a cut-off to only include recently extinct mammals, then the cut-off date used by the IUCN (1500?) seems an appropriate choice. —  Jts1882 &#124; talk 11:41, 31 May 2023 (UTC)
 * I found a discussion at Talk:List_of_mammals_of_Turkey, where this cut-off year has also been proposed. But there was a more general discussion on cut-off somewhere else, since this now blocked user Ddum5347 also had added aurochs to multiple lists, which was repeatedly reversed + contested. – BhagyaMani (talk) 12:30, 31 May 2023 (UTC)

Thank you folks. In any case, I believe we need to clarify rules about inclusion of such species (extinct, vagrant, introduced, naturalized) and add them on every list pages, to prevent further edit warring. Best Regards. MinasOstiris (talk) 14:29, 31 May 2023 (UTC)

Edits at List of mammals of Singapore
Hi BhagyaMani, In your recent edits at List of mammals of Singapore I saw that you had changed the first names of authors to their initials. I know that's the standard in some academic journals, but I think that's a holdover from when the journals were printed and there was a shortage of space on paper. I suggest not doing that as it takes away information which might be helpful to our readers. I hope that makes sense to you, SchreiberBike &#124; ⌨ 21:05, 9 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your message. I did that for consistency as first names were abbreviated in most references. And I think, that if readers want to know initials, they can always follow up on the online addresses of these references and read the entire texts. – BhagyaMani (talk) 04:29, 10 July 2023 (UTC)

Broad-tailed grassbird
Hi, why did you revert Broad-tailed_grassbird ?

You set the author data back to '(Jerdon, 1844)'

birdsoftheworld (Cornell) has: Schoenicola platyurus (Jerdon, 1841)

IOC World bird list (v13.2) has: Schoenicola platyurus (Jerdon, 1841)

So I edited 'Schoenicola platyurus' to have: '(Jerdon, 1841)'

Why do you want to hold on to the obsolete 1844 date? Kweetal nl (talk) 07:14, 6 August 2023 (UTC)


 * See https://www.iucnredlist.org/species/22715577/94459789#taxonomy : Authority is indicated as (Jerdon, 1844) BhagyaMani (talk) 13:08, 6 August 2023 (UTC)


 * The Howard and Moore checklist, which I find the most reliable for taxonomy matters, uses 1841 and points to an explanation for the discrepancy. The entry for Schoenicola platyuru (see the Locustellidae page) has a footnote (#27) that says "For correct date see Dickinson et al. (2004) [Dickinson, 2004 #1390]". The Dickinson article is available at researchgate. The Birdlife list used by the IUCN is an outlier in still using 1844. —  Jts1882 &#124; talk 13:32, 6 August 2023 (UTC)
 * I just added a ref + link to Jerdon's original article in the Madras Journal of Literature and Science vol. 13 no. 30, in which he listed Thimalia platyura : this issue no. 30 dates to April 1844, see : https://archive.org/details/madrasjournalofl1318madr/page/n18/mode/1up. – BhagyaMani (talk) 19:14, 6 August 2023 (UTC)
 * On p156 it mentions that Jerdon published the work himself due to the delay in publication of the Supplement in the Madras Journal. The article by Dickinson explains why this should be used according to code rules. Both Blyth and Gray refer to the earlier published work. —  Jts1882 &#124; talk 16:46, 8 August 2023 (UTC)

Red Panda
Hello, you reverted my recent edits on the article (Red Panda) but you didn't give sufficient reasoning. You should know Red panda was first formally described in 1825. Giant panda were formally described almost five decades later in 1869 and (incorrectly) as being part of the same family, and why red pandas can be considered to be the "original or only true panda". But why is such a fact not permitted to be added in the Wikipedia? If you are going to revert others' edits, you should give a proper reason in the edit description or to explain it in Talk. But you reverted my edit, which I acknowledge, was slightly flawed in certain facts like stating the Red panda was "named as Panda in 1825", and I also forgot to put in the correct supporting citation. I was meant to correct that only a few short minutes later but you rapidly undid everything before I had the chance. I plan to add it back in but if you have issues with it, don't revert immediately but do please give a fair reasoning on the Talk page. SolarDGrayson (talk) 07:46, 8 August 2023 (UTC)
 * I happened to be one of the editors who worked on this page for its present Featured Article status. Your edits did not improve this section Etymology. – BhagyaMani (talk) 12:40, 8 August 2023 (UTC)
 * And clearly you think the Nepali word, "ponya" means red panda bear. Does your Glatston speak fluent Nepali? Because multiple Modern sources show that he doesn't understand what the word actually means. When the overwhelming or probably entire academic and red panda expert community overwhelmingly believe the word "ponya" means bamboo eater. I am inclined to think they are correct but do not wish to constantly edit war with you. Give me a readable source stating that ponya only means specifically red bear and does not mean "bamboo eater". I have actually provided many reliable sources and my edit was not incorrect.SolarDGrayson (talk) 13:23, 8 August 2023 (UTC)

Pitch of purring
Thanks for all your great work on cats, big and small. I think that your change made here: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Felidae&diff=889873696&oldid=889871759  is incorrect, because 2 kHz (2,000 Hz) is a rather high pitch. That is 3 octave above middle C such as a soprano sings. I read the citation, but did not find that figure. Other references to purring suggest a pitch of around 20 Hz. I didn't want to make a change without consulting you first, but it seems that it may be an order of magnitude issue. Thank you. • Bobsd • (talk) 02:17, 10 August 2023 (UTC)

pilibhit tiger reserve
hello there. i recently edited 2 lines in a wikipedia page on pilibhit tiger reserve location, which was promptly restored back to the earlier version. can you please tell me the reason it was rescinded so that i may keep it in mind in my future edits? Parthsingh311 (talk) 13:05, 18 August 2023 (UTC)


 * You disrupted + removed the reference. -- BhagyaMani (talk) 13:38, 18 August 2023 (UTC)
 * But i corrected the information and added a reference, a pdf document from national tiger conservation authority that oversees the tiger reserves all over india.
 * So i shouldn't delete the old reference and should add another reference with it? 103.158.120.162 (talk) 14:10, 18 August 2023 (UTC)

Long time, no see
It's been a while, hasn't it? And someone else has since brought leopard and snow leopard through GAN. Anyway, I've been thinking about something and wanted to ask your opinion on it. Do the North American jaguar and South American jaguar articles really need to be kept separate from the main article? The latter is in worse condition, but even the former isn't great. And unlike the lions and tigers, they aren't well-known populations (nor singular former subspecies) nor discussed as much in literature. Similar for the Gulf Coast jaguarundi. Happy editing, SilverTiger12 (talk) 16:43, 25 August 2023 (UTC)


 * Sorry for my late reply. I've been travelling + had very little time to follow up on edits of WP pages. Re the 2 pages on jaguar populations : I agree that both are in a quite paltry state + think that they either need rigorous editing or perhaps be trimmed by text that is already part of the main page on jaguar. And yes, true also re the page on Gulf coast jaguarundi. Cheers, BhagyaMani (talk) 15:28, 22 September 2023 (UTC)
 * No problem. I was actually thinking more of proposing merges for Gulf Coast jaguarundi, North American jaguar, and South American jaguar since they aren't well-known populations or subspecies. SilverTiger12 (talk) 17:52, 3 October 2023 (UTC)

Archiving and trimming
Hello, now that the squabble between me and is over, I hope, would you mind archiving that section, as well as the section about "simulating sex"? Leo1pard (talk) 10:04, 13 September 2023 (UTC)


 * Archiving is most likely a job for a bot. BhagyaMani (talk) 15:30, 22 September 2023 (UTC)

Tiger conservation
Do you think you could write sections on tiger conservation in Russia and Indonesia for the tiger conservation article? LittleJerry (talk) 17:29, 21 September 2023 (UTC)


 * Basically yes, but not in the next few days, as I'm busy with other non-WP projects. Will try to find a time slot asap. BhagyaMani (talk) 15:18, 22 September 2023 (UTC)

Regarding revert editing
Hello fellow editor! I would like to wish you and your family a happy dashain. I found you reverting my edits on Koshi Province regarding appointment of new chief minister. For your reference please see the following links to confirm the responsibility change. Franked2004 (talk) 13:02, 14 October 2023 (UTC)


 * Happy Dashain to you to. As already written in my edit summary : you repeatedly added empty hence superfluous space. That is why I reverted your edits. BhagyaMani (talk) 17:24, 14 October 2023 (UTC)

Please stop reverting my addition to Binturong#In_Popular_Culture
You have reverted my addition to the Binturong page repeatedly, erasing the information, rather than improve it or add sources or note any problems. I even added a citation and you reverted it again, presumable for a 'bare url', despite the other item in this section (which I think you added) also having a 'bare url'. I have since added a more detailed citation, as well as an internal link which serves as a robust reference. Hopefully that will satisfy you, but even my first edit with no citation, should not have been deleted. I'm no expert at Wikipedia, but it seems like you did not follow the 'normal protocol' as quoted below: "[Follow the normal protocol] When you find a passage in an article that is biased, inaccurate, or unsourced the best practice is to improve it if you can rather than deleting salvageable text. For example, if an article appears biased, add balancing material or make the wording more neutral. Include citations for any material you add. If you do not know how to fix a problem, ask for help on the talk page." I hope you will consider a more productive approach in the future that follows these guidelines, rather than repeatedly deleting useful (if imperfect) edits, which is rather obnoxious. AnswerManDan (talk) 20:04, 25 October 2023 (UTC)

Madhesi People
Dear Sir, As Familiar with the topic on our neighbouring country Nepal related to Madhesi people article that needs additional extensions with realiable sources with facts, I would like to work with you to improve the topic. This topic only covers about people marrying to Madhesis who are people of Indian ancestry. The natives of Madhesh Province all of whose demonyms are Madhesis are left out. Besides, the minority indigenous section of Madhesis population are also mistoken as Indians. Please help me begin with scientific improvement of this articles. Thank You ! Sikkimese (talk) 12:19, 30 October 2023 (UTC)


 * I recommend that you take this to the talk page of the page on Madeshi people. If you want to change of the definition, then present reliable sources there. That way other editors can also join the discussion. – BhagyaMani (talk) 13:18, 30 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your suggestion. This may be helpful to begin with. Sikkimese (talk) 13:31, 30 October 2023 (UTC)

Work acknowledgement and 3RR warning in Leopard
I herby acknowledge all user:BhagyaMani work to improve articles related to mammals in general and felids in particular. With great knowledge, comes great responsibly to Wiki rules and I find BhagyaMani reverts on my edits in Leopard are breaking WP:3RR. Looks like we got to an agreement in the talk page, so these is only a warning and a reference for future edits. revert 1 revert 2 edit which semi-reverts discussion Thank you! RanR (talk) 14:29, 11 November 2023 (UTC)

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CS1 error on Ganesh Himal
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 * Thanks for your message. This ref was added by a previous editor. I checked the url, but this does not provide any of the claimed content. So I deleted this altogether. BhagyaMani (talk) 11:34, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

Carl Linnaeus
Do you have access to Carl Linnaeus' original description of the Alpine ibex and where the type specimen was found? LittleJerry (talk) 18:28, 1 December 2023 (UTC)
 * See : https://archive.org/details/systemanatvrape1linn/page/225/mode/1up. Though this is not the original 1758 edition, but a later one. Hope this helps? -- BhagyaMani (talk) 20:51, 1 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks, unfortunately I don't understand the language or what's being written. Would you be able to create a new range map? I requested it here LittleJerry (talk) 23:03, 1 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Do you want legend shown inside the map? – BhagyaMani (talk) 14:26, 5 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Okay. LittleJerry (talk) 00:13, 6 December 2023 (UTC)
 * See draft at https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Eo_Mmw9qVVl0b_H3b4d4K_ng9MzD0Gx7/view?usp=sharing based on wikimedia map to avoid © issue. BhagyaMani (talk) 16:25, 6 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Okay. Upload it. LittleJerry (talk) 02:40, 7 December 2023 (UTC)

edits to Golden Triangle (Southeast Asia)
hi there, thank you for your work on improving Golden Triangle (Southeast Asia), may I please request to add back in the sections you deleted regarding drug mules, as they help the reader to understand how the narcotics were moved around by various criminal gangs ? The link to Johannes Van Damme is very informative as to how international Nigerian drug lords operated, where as articles such as Angel Mou Pui Peng demonstrates how ethnic East Asian traffickers worked. thanks ! WorldTravleerAndPhotoTaker (talk) 08:25, 13 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your message. I do not agree that the links to above mentioned pages about some individuals are in any way essential to improve our understanding of the Golden Triangle. THIS page is about a region, but entirely lacking is info about this region's geography, geology, climate, demography, people and their livelihoods. Imo, the present focus on heroin production and trafficking is overemphasized, and I suggest to move these sections, or at least laaarge parts thereof, to other pages like the one on heroin. I also advice to trim the references to newspapers, see WP:NOTNEWS, but rely much more on peer-reviewed sources. – BhagyaMani (talk) 08:30, 14 December 2023 (UTC)
 * hi there, i understand your point however the area is arguably only famous for heroin production and its not really a region at all(neither is the Golden Crescent), seeing as it is split across 3 countries with no official international boundaries. I would argue the missing data you highlighting is already contained in articles such as Shan State, which makes up part of the Golden Triangle. Perhaps a sub section with wiki links would be better so readers can access this data if they wish ? WorldTravleerAndPhotoTaker (talk) 08:56, 14 December 2023 (UTC)

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