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Wikipedia:Requested moves/Technical requests
(Discuss) – Portobuffolè → Portobuffolé – we're 3 agreeing and 1 opposing after 2 weeks, an admin is needed to move pages entitled "Portobuffolè" to "Portobuffolé" both in English and in all other languages Wikis, please could you do it Biblioworm? 151.20.56.164 (talk) 13:45, 5 January 2016 (UTC)
 * It appears that Anthony already moved it, and I'm afraid a consensus on the English Wikipedia isn't enough to justify moving it on other Wikipedias. Even if that wasn't the case, I don't have the technical ability to do that, since I only have admin rights here. I also noticed that someone on Anthony's talk page disputed the move, so it might end up being reviewed. Biblio (talk) 22:05, 9 January 2016 (UTC)

IP vandal
Hi, BW. I've got a slow-rolling IP vandal @ Florida–Tennessee football rivalry. The IP has attempted to change multiple scores in a rivalry series win-loss table over the past two days. For obvious vandalism, I normally just use the rollback function, and the IPs usually give up, but I just realized that I'm bumping the limit on reverts. I would be grateful if you could semi-protect the page for three or four days until our budding vandal gives up and goes away. Thanks. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 03:56, 7 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Looks like the trouble is over (for now). Sorry I didn't reply sooner, but I'm having a hard time getting motivated to participate again after all the RfA reform work. Biblio (talk) 22:01, 9 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Hey, BW. Illegitimi non carborundum.  If you're worn down now, just think how Kudpung feels after years of playing Sisyphus in the same game.  You're too smart, and have too much to offer, just to give up.  Reforming Wikipedia's processes is hard: 40 to 50 percent of your fellow editors will recognize the need and support a good proposal; 25 percent will recognize the need, but oppose because they believe they have a vested interest in the way things are; and another 25 percent will oppose because they believe the proposed reform is part of an admin-driven conspiracy to "oppress content creators".  My suggestion?  Find a couple of mediocre articles whose subjects you love and spend a week building them into Good Articles.  Not difficult, feels good while you're working on it, and there's something to show for your efforts when you're done.  It's good for editor morale.  Let me know if you ever want a partner on an article you're building.  Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 23:28, 9 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Well, the reforms actually succeeded (!), if you're not aware, but the point is that successful or not, the work was very tiring. I probably won't be involved too much with RfA reform anymore, although there are one or two proposals that I might put forward in a few months. Even with those proposals, I probably won't be too involved; I'll just propose them and let it go. But I definitely won't ever be engaged at the level I was before; I don't really like being at the center of attention, anyway. Even before this, I was already planning to spend most of my time quietly working on content from now on, which I have found to be enjoyable in the past. The clerking RfC is still open, but there is little activity and it looks like it will be unsuccessful, anyway. After it closes, I'm done (with the exception of the one or two future proposals I mentioned above). Biblio (talk) 02:10, 10 January 2016 (UTC)
 * I was aware that the discretionary range had been widened, and the close was challenged and then re-opened, but given the voting margin it was obvious it was going to pass. It's incremental progress.  Obviously, the clerking proposal has got more of an up-hill climb.  Some form of referee is needed to reel in some of our more vocal participants, but too many regular participants seem to believe that it threatens their ability to comment "freely".  I did not realize the clerking RfC was still pending; I will comment after reviewing the discussion.  Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 04:55, 10 January 2016 (UTC)

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 * Good, and thank you. Maybe I can start working on another article once I get that dumb computer of mine fixed up. At the moment, I only have mobile and a slow, clunky, unreliable old desktop. ;) Biblio (talk) 12:29, 20 January 2016 (UTC)

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RfA
This interpretation of your RfC is not strictly true, is it? No special authority has been accorded to something they - and anyone else - can already do. Altering the Bureaucrats' mandate in any way whatsoever requires a separate RfC. I fully understand the reasoning behind your addition of this caveat, but we do really need to avoid glibly bending the facts to support our wishes for clerking - which incidentally, it appears, the community threw out (much to my own disappointment). --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 03:57, 30 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Ask Dank, not me. He closed the RfC and determined the consensus; he is known for his history of closing (messy) RfCs, so I think we can trust his judgement. Furthermore, the increased involvement by the crats has been met with a generally positive reaction. Why should we start yet another RfC? If we really want to keep the changes we've made, I think we ought to know better than to do that. The more chances we give them, the more likely the determined anti-reform club is to band together and somehow find a way to reverse the changes we've made. Quite frankly, I get the impression that the community has generally accepted the results of the two RfCs and is not receptive to the idea of starting more. Biblio (talk) 07:05, 30 January 2016 (UTC)
 * The untargeted watchlist advertisement is beginning to seem like a bad idea, and I'm considering making a RfC to reverse just that one change, while leaving the others intact. Esquivalience  t 20:37, 31 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Why is it a bad idea? If you want to do that because of Hawkeye's RfA, keep in mind that it almost certainly would have been a dramafest with or without the advertisement; he does seem to have a very controversial history. But if you're sure, keep in mind that you would have to advertise that RfC at the level that the Phase II RfC was advertised; policy indicates that the consensus of a few cannot overturn the consensus of many. And before you know it, people who hate the reforms in general will get ideas, and we might start having RfCs to reverse that inconvenient question limit, to reverse the expanded discretionary range ("Someone I don't like passed because of it!"), and especially the clerking ("Those clerks are power-hungry, censoring Nazis/Stalinists!"). (We've already had accusations along those lines.) We could end up right back where we started, and all the work (of which I did at least 90%) would have been for nothing. Do we want to take the chance? Biblio (talk) 23:11, 31 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Hmm... I take that back. However, a lot of the anti-editor army using fallacious logic will come from the watchlist notice. WP:CENT is OK, as most trolls focus on -less AN and ANI; however it attracts (well-meaning) but still new editors and the sock loom. Anyway, I prefer if technical measures are applied to exclude editors with fewer than X edits (maybe by automatically placing the opt-out cookie)? Esquivalience  t 23:44, 31 January 2016 (UTC)

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 * Thank you for reading the page, . :) Yes, the preemptive protection of TFAs has been proposed many a time, but it is always rejected and has been listed on the perennial proposals page. Unfortunately, some editors seem to revere that page almost to the point of treating it as a policy; once something is there, any renewed proposal of it (regardless of the new evidence presented in its favor) is swiftly thrown away simply because it is listed on the page. The popular argument against such protection is that Wikipedia claims to be the encyclopedia that anyone can edit; therefore, why should we squarely "contradict" that claim by protecting the most-visible article of the day? However, sometime in the near future, I plan to write a page in which I will defend my each of my specific proposed reforms and refute the arguments against them. I'll let you know when I'm done with that. :) Thanks. Biblio (talk) 06:26, 1 April 2016 (UTC)

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Hi Biblioworm,

I saw that you granted Music1201 the "page mover" user right. I also don't quite meet the requirements for the right, with just under 4 months expeirence. However, I'm very active around requested moves and have closed quite a few discussions there. Many times when I do close a discussion there, it requires administrator assistance, because there is already a page at the title I'm moving it to. When I find this happens, which is quite often, I usually file a technical move request, or leave behind db-move, which is quite inefficient. I'm also a file mover, and I often move pages as per WP:FNC. When this is done, it would be nice if I had the ability to suppress a redirect, because the redirect needs to be deleted otherwise. Lastly, I'm also very active at the WP:AFC project, and I sometimes have to move misplaced submissions which are in mainspace, in which case the redirect also needs to be deleted.

Anyway, what I'm asking is, could you possibly grant me the user right? I don't quite have as much experience as the guideline states, but I feel that I'm knowledgeable enough to have the right. Thanks,  Omni Flames ( talk ) 22:34, 10 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Would you mind giving me some examples of recent RM closures that you performed? I can't seem to find any recent ones, but perhaps I'm missing something. Thanks. Biblio (talk) 23:17, 10 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Sure, here are two examples I found straight away, I can give you more examples if you need. Both of these required some admin assistance as there were already pages at where I was trying to move to.  Omni Flames ( talk ) 23:20, 10 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Another reasonably recent one. This one required no admin help, I was able to move the pages myself. I would mostly use this right for moving files to de-eclipse commons, however. There are quite a few examples of this in my move log.  Omni Flames ( talk ) 23:23, 10 June 2016 (UTC)
 * You already have rollbacker, reviewer, and (most notably) file mover. You have almost 10,000 edits, with a clean block log and (as far as I can see) no recent warnings or notices on your talk page. And you have shown examples of closure experience. I don't see why you shouldn't be trusted with it, and the page mover guideline allows admin discretion. ✅. Biblio (talk) 23:41, 10 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Thank you! I'll use it well {.  Omni Flames ( talk ) 23:46, 10 June 2016 (UTC)

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Rollback permission request page
Hi Biblio, hope you're well! Just so you're aware, this edit of yours may have knocked out an outstanding request by mistake? No worries if deliberate, just thought it might be worth a second look. Thanks! Mike1901 (talk) 20:26, 11 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Hello again, disregard the above, I hadn't spotted the duplicate request. Whales and trouts welcome. (and thanks User:Widr for correcting my error!) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mike1901 (talk • contribs)
 * No problem. :) Biblio (talk) 22:10, 11 June 2016 (UTC)

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The Quixotic Potato (talk) 02:07, 14 June 2016 (UTC)
 * I don't think so. I was heavily involved in reforming RfA for over a year; I researched RfA history and statistics, wrote op-eds on it, and I was finally the founder of the project that finally passed reforms to RfA. There is nothing in policy that forbids voicing opinions and making suggestions as to what must be done. According to that logic, I could give you a trout for daring to tell an admin what to do. But I would never do that, because I believe that all editors, whether non-admin, admin, bureaucrat, or steward, are equally entitled to voice opinions and that no usergroup is superior to another. Bureaucrats are not emperors, just as admins are not governors. Biblio (talk) 02:28, 14 June 2016 (UTC)


 * If you've spent a lot of time thinking about RfA then that makes the situation even worse! It would be smarter to say that you have very little experience with RfA and voting in general. The Quixotic Potato (talk) 02:36, 14 June 2016 (UTC)


 * "daring to tell an admin what to do"... Dude... seriously. Admins are not gods. You need to stop posting quick emotional responses! Admins work for me (and the rest of the community), and they don't even get paid... The way you handled this situation was incredibly poorly, and you keep digging the hole deeper and deeper. If you can't even handle my criticism then how are you gonna deal with real serious issues? Trolls would use you as a lolcow, and that is a very very bad position for any user to be in. The Quixotic Potato (talk) 02:36, 14 June 2016 (UTC)
 * That's exactly the point! Admins are not gods, and neither are bureaucrats. That's exactly what I said in the comment just above. Have you read the whole comment, or did you just stop reading, click [edit], and quote me completely out of context as soon as you saw "daring to tell an admin what to do"? That was an analogy used to make a point, not something meant seriously. Read the response I just posted on the RfA talk page. Biblio (talk) 02:43, 14 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Don't you understand that using language like that makes it worse? Stop digging please. The Quixotic Potato (talk) 02:47, 14 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Using language like "it makes you look stupid" isn't very productive, either (and that "stupid" remark was evidently literally intended, not an analogy). Analogies like mine are used all the time to prove a point; it's surprising that they were completely misunderstood, even though I said loudly and clearly that I was simply using comparisons to make a point and that I did not seriously believe what I literally said. Biblio (talk) 02:56, 14 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Well, it literally does make you look stupid, even if you aren't. You could've learned from that, but you chose not to. That is your choice. Again, I understand the analogy and sarcasm, but I believe it makes your comment worse, not better. That is where we (probably) disagree. Please stop attacking straw men. You need to slow down, don't respond too quickly. Give yourself some time. The Quixotic Potato (talk) 03:02, 14 June 2016 (UTC)
 * This a very strange waste of time. What have I to learn? That voicing my opinions on discounting poorly-researched, arbitrary drive-by votes makes me look stupid? That calling for substance-based rationales is unacceptable? That doesn't seem very logical to me. I never attacked any straw men; a straw man is attacking an argument that was never made, and all I did was respond to your clearly-stated argument that I am too lowly to be even making suggestions to bureaucrats. I doubt that most bureaucrats themselves endorse that position; on crat chats, they frequently respond to community comments on the bureaucrat discussion's talk page. As for taking my time, at least I read the comments before responding, and I never impulsively suggested the removal of any editor's user rights, as was done here. Anyway, I will be hatting this bizarre discussion. I'm rather disappointed that I never received any substantive answers to my main point, though. Biblio (talk) 03:20, 14 June 2016 (UTC)

Well, mea culpa, I should've posted a whale. Please don't respond too quickly, give yourself some time to think about your responses first. The Quixotic Potato (talk) 02:25, 14 June 2016 (UTC)
 * You seem to have misread what Bilbo Biblio said. Or stopped reading after you found something you disagreed with. The full sentence repeated, According to that logic, I could give you a trout for daring to tell an admin what to do. But I would never do that, because I believe that all editors, whether non-admin, admin, bureaucrat, or steward, are equally entitled to voice opinions and that no usergroup is superior to another. Biblo Biblio explicitly said that admins were not gods and that everyone is equally entitled to their opinions. --Majora (talk) 02:43, 14 June 2016 (UTC)
 * His name is Biblio (short for Biblioworm). I think Bilbo is a hobbit. You seem to have misread his name. I have read what he said. The Quixotic Potato (talk) 02:45, 14 June 2016 (UTC)
 * My tired clumsy fingers have made two mistakes. Everyone makes them. --Majora (talk) 02:48, 14 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Even potatoes and we don't even have fingers! The Quixotic Potato (talk) 02:52, 14 June 2016 (UTC)

Just a cross-reference that I've commented (several times) back on the RfA talkpage. Newyorkbrad (talk) 02:58, 14 June 2016 (UTC)

Questions about deletions in relation to a permission you recently granted
Special:Log/Music1201:


 * User:Music1201/Temporary move spot/1 -->
 * User:Music1201/Temp/1 -->
 * User:Music1201/Temp/2 -->
 * User:Music1201/Temp/3 -->
 * User:Music1201/Temp/4 -->
 * User:Music1201/Temp/5 -->
 * User:Music1201/Temp/6 -->
 * User:Music1201/Temp/7 -->
 * User:Music1201/Temp/8 no content - just delete when done

I can't see the deleted history of those pages as a non-administrator, but moving anything from the mainspace to one's userspace and requesting its deletion is at the least a bad practice. The redirects where this history would have resided after a full traditional WP:PM/C have been created new. Does any history need to be restored and should this be allowed in the future? Pinging Mojo Hand the administrator who performed the U1's and Xaosflux an administrator who is familiar with this right and frequents WP:RFP/PM along with Music1201 who performed the moves. It is not my intention to imply any wrongdoing on anyones part, rather to point out some kinks that may need to be fixed and behavior that might need to be adjusted, in regard to this venture of a new user right. Best Regards, — Godsy (TALK<sub style="margin-left:-2.0ex;"> CONT ) 02:09, 14 June 2016 (UTC)
 * I've asked the piped users above to come here to not fragment this discussion. — xaosflux  Talk 02:20, 14 June 2016 (UTC)


 * User:Godsy, I've temporarily undeleted all these pages for review. - Any admin is welcome to redelete, if approriate, upon close of this matter. — xaosflux  Talk 02:25, 14 June 2016 (UTC)
 * has a more substantial history than the rest. — Godsy (TALK<sub style="margin-left:-2.0ex;"> CONT ) 02:29, 14 June 2016 (UTC)
 * - Now that you have been able to review, if there are any of these you think should be merged to the now current redirect, can you indicate above then ping me, I'll complete then redelete. — xaosflux  Talk 03:52, 14 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Just User:Music1201/Temporary move spot/1. As another page now resides at The Fake Sound of Progress, perhaps at The Fake Sound of Progress (song)/old history or a valid synonym. User:Music1201/Temp/6 and some others had some really old history, but it really isn't necessary with those. — Godsy (TALK<sub style="margin-left:-2.0ex;"> CONT ) 04:03, 14 June 2016 (UTC)
 * I merged it in to The Fake Sound of Progress (song) history with the rest of the parts of the prior moves. Will redelete the others now. — xaosflux  Talk 04:13, 14 June 2016 (UTC)


 * User:Mojo Hand will you please review the deletion actions that you performed here? As some of these pages have histories of other editors, they do not appear to strictly qualify as WP:CSD. —  xaosflux  Talk 02:20, 14 June 2016 (UTC)
 * I didn't notice that the pages had been moved from mainspace to userspace. I don't view that as an appropriate use of U1, and I wouldn't have deleted the pages if I had viewed the history more carefully.  My mistake, and I support restoration as applicable.-- Mojo Hand (talk) 03:39, 14 June 2016 (UTC)
 * ✅ Thanks Mojo Hand, see note at the bottom, we will merge any needed old histories for these pages. — xaosflux  Talk 03:43, 14 June 2016 (UTC)


 * User:Music1201 I think something is going askew in your moves - "swaps" should normally be performed round-robin style such that other editors revisions are normally maintained. Please review your actions and comment. — xaosflux  Talk 02:26, 14 June 2016 (UTC)


 * , : The only pages I move to my userspace and then request deletion are redirects which cannot be moved over redirect because they have multiple lines of history (Usually 2) &mdash; Music1201  talk  02:33, 14 June 2016 (UTC)
 * WP:PM/C is the suggested practice for such moves. With that method, the history is retained, as opposed to being speedy deleted as the above were. — Godsy (TALK<sub style="margin-left:-2.0ex;"> CONT ) 02:46, 14 June 2016 (UTC)
 * (talk page stalker) I think I see what you're doing wrong here. When doing a "round-robin" page move you shouldn't be leaving a redirect at any point in the process. I'll use your move of John Gallagher, Jr as an example here. You started by moving John Gallagher Jr. to User:Music1201/Temp/2 without leaving a redirect. This was the correct thing to do. You then moved John Gallagher, Jr to John Gallagher Jr. and left a redirect. This is where you went wrong. You shouldn't have left a redirect when performing this move. That way, instead of having to request the deletion of User:Music1201/Temp/2, you could've moved that page without leaving a redirect to John Gallagher, Jr, and retargeted it to point to John Gallagher Jr.. That way, you wouldn't have had to place a CSD tag on User:Music1201/Temp/2 and no history would've been lost. Hopefully that helps.  Omni Flames  ( talk ) 03:26, 14 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Do you agree with this strategy? If so please review the list of pages at the top, and indicate what they need to be merged in to (by an admin). —  xaosflux  Talk 03:42, 14 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Yes, that is the strategy I used, although I don't think history merges would be necessary, because if an admin closed the RM, they would simply delete the redirect, rather than moving it to userspace and requesting deletion. &mdash; Music1201  talk  03:45, 14 June 2016 (UTC)
 * While I rarely do these, depending on the case I restore the old history after moving over it. — xaosflux  Talk 03:47, 14 June 2016 (UTC)
 * To be clear, that means using the suppress redirect on every step of the round robin move, so there should not be any more of these to delete in the future. Changing A-->B means b->c; a->b; c->a - suppressing at each step.  If so, you may resume page moving. —  xaosflux  Talk 03:51, 14 June 2016 (UTC)


 * User:Biblioworm If you'd rather this be moved to WP:AN instead of your user talk page, I'm fine with that. — xaosflux  Talk 02:20, 14 June 2016 (UTC)
 * FWIW, I don't see any of this to be a problem with "Granting" per-se. — xaosflux  Talk 02:31, 14 June 2016 (UTC)


 * Apologies that I didn't respond sooner. I was dealing was a very strange misunderstanding. As far as I can see, this was an honest mistake; I'm sure Music will not do this again now that he knows the correct way of handling these situations. Thanks to all those who dealt with the technicalities of correcting this issue. Biblio (talk) 03:49, 14 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks Biblio - I think this is about to close down - sorry for hijacking your page :D — xaosflux  Talk 03:51, 14 June 2016 (UTC)

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Please fix your archive
Please fix your archive so that it accurately reflects our conversation; you undid this edit before you archived that section (in the next edit, one minute later) which makes it look like you had the WP:LASTWORD. Another (easier) option is to simply archive this section. Thanks in advance, &#40;&#40;&#40;The Quixotic Potato&#41;&#41;&#41; (talk) 13:30, 14 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Ultimately, Biblio can do what he/she likes with their talk page - & once a talk page discussion has been hatted, it is quite common for any subsequent comments to be reverted. As such, I don't see any wrongdoing here, and thus no 'fixing' is required by policy. Of course it is up to Biblio whether they accept your request, but just making clear that they do not have to. Mike1901 (talk) 13:47, 14 June 2016 (UTC)
 * I know. I assumed Biblio was a "he", but if that is wrong then I apologize for that. &#40;&#40;&#40;The Quixotic Potato&#41;&#41;&#41; (talk) 13:51, 14 June 2016 (UTC)
 * He. And yes, editors can generally do what they like with their talk page. If I ever post anything on your talk page, you're just as welcome to revert it. Biblio (talk) 15:56, 14 June 2016 (UTC)

Sour grapes
If you are going to Italy, there is a round table presentation at Wikimania where you can witness an obnoxious chap discuss NPP. Please don't go anywhere near it. If you by chance make some leeway in improving that process also, you will soon find yourself constantly being targeted and talked behind your back. https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3AAndrew_Davidson&type=revision&diff=725268409&oldid=725125246 RedStenzo (talk) 18:18, 14 June 2016 (UTC)
 * That diff doesn't come as a surprise to me. Biblio (talk) 18:53, 14 June 2016 (UTC)

Thanks
Thanks for your efforts regarding the process to deal with requests for adminship privileges. Given the problems with English Wikipedia's consensus model and how the most frequently used discussion model is not well-suited for determining consensus, at this point in time, trying to make changes is an art of negotiating what is possible to get approved. One way or the other, someday the editing population will shift, if only because nothing stays the same forever, and the project will find a way to proceed. Good luck! isaacl (talk) 18:37, 15 June 2016 (UTC)

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Governance reform
Hi, Biblioworm. I saw your question about the procedure for amending the Arbitration Policy and I've just posted a response.

I was curious what specific changes you had in mind, so I poked around and came across your page about governance reform. I appreciate your interest in reforming and updating Wikipedia processes, and will follow the discussion with interest.

For now, I'd like to make one suggestion regarding the focus of the governance reform discussion. It is that too often, governance discussions give undue weight to issues regarding ArbCom and arbitration, versus other aspects of governance (or some would say non-governance).

For those of us interested in governance issues on the project, the functioning and results of the arbitration process and even its administrivia receive an enormous amount of attention relative to any other aspect of governance. This is understandable, both because arbitration is the last stage in dispute resolution, the matters that come to arbitration are often the most prominent and most intractable of disputes, the arbitrators themselves are chosen in high-profile, community-wide elections, and for many years the ArbCom resolved several dozen cases annually.

I don't mean to diminish the role of arbitration and ArbCom even today. Nonetheless, it needs to be borne in mind that in recent years, the Arbitration Committee has decided far fewer cases than previously, as I wrote about several years ago here. This year, the trend toward a reduced caseload has accelerated dramatically. In the first half of 2016, the ArbCom has heard and resolved just two full-fledged cases&mdash;three if we include one case that started last year and finished in January. They were important cases, certainly to the participants, and I don't mean to suggest it wasn't important that they be resolved fairly and appropriately, in addition to the arbitrators' other duties and responsibilities.

However, even assuming a more typical caseload and taking into account off-wiki actions, the ArbCom is making maybe 20 or 25 decisions a year. By contrast, a noticeboard like ANI may resolve (or fail to resolve) 20 to 25 disputes per day, most of which are just as important to the editors involved as an arbitration case is to its parties. ANI has never been a well-oiled machine, to say the least, and whenever it is called upon to resolve anything other than a clear-cut, two-party dispute, the discussion often splays all over the place and the tone of discussion is often disappointing. If someone tallied the number of editors who have walked off or become disaffected with Wikipedia because of something that happened on the noticeboards, it would be non-trivial to say the least. I have been thinking about how the functioning of the noticeboards could be best improved, literally for years, and have frankly not come up with any ideas. If you are able to kindle a significant community-wide focus on governance reform, I would give noticeboard improvements priority attention. I'm glad to see them on your topic list.

I'd also suggest attention to some other aspects of desirable governance review&mdash;I'm going to self-plagiarize from a book review I wrote for the Signpost a couple of years ago:
 * [T]he failure to take stock of dispute-resolution successes and failures has struck me for years as a project-wide myopia. In the 13½ years of English Wikipedia there have been, in round numbers, a billion edit-wars, yet no one knows whether most edit-wars get resolved by civil discussion reaching a consensus on the optimal wording, or by one side's giving up and wandering away (or sometimes by everyone's ultimately losing interest and wandering away). Similarly, the English Wikipedia Arbitration Committee has decided several hundred cases since 2004, and community discussions on noticeboards have resolved thousands more content and conduct disputes, yet no one ever seems to have gone back and conducted any systematic review of which approaches to dispute-resolution worked better than others.

Is the 3RR noticeboard, which is sometimes the first place a new editor who has gotten in over his or her head comes to face with the Wikipedia "back office", doing a good job at defusing edit wars and diverting the warring parties' efforts into productive channels? How well is the relatively new content-dispute resolution noticeboard working out, and how can its efforts be further improved? What is the current and future role of the Mediation Committee and the Mediation Cabal?

So many questions, and I realize I'm not helping answer any of them&mdash;my point for now is just that if I were looking to lead a substantial investment of the community's most precious resource, which is its time, into a discussion of governance, changes to the Arbitration Policy would frankly be a low priority. Of course, YMMV.

A couple of other points in response to your first governance posting, just based on history. You question why ArbCom selects Checkusers and Oversighters. You should be aware that Wikimedia Foundation policy allows only two methods by which a project may make these selections&mdash;either by appointments by the Arbitration Committee (on projects that have one) or by election. In years past, there were a number of elections for CUs and OSs. There were at least two problems with these elections. The first was that sometimes, there were enough good candidates that the votes were split and no one received the 75% approval necessary to election, meaning that these important roles could not be filled. The second was a sense of election fatigue. In one particularly burdened year, English Wikipedia edits were eligible to vote in the Stewards election, a Checkusers-and-Oversighters election, an Audit Subcommittee election (now abolished), a WMF Board of Trustees election, the ArbCom elections, and I think I've missed one. There was a palpable sense of burnout and too many elections, and I would not recommend returning to that system. That leaves selection by ArbCom as the least bad alternative, and as a practical matter, I haven't seen any evidence that ArbCom hasn't made satisfactory choices.

Similarly, allegations of abuse of CU and OS tools are often best handled at the local level of English Wikipedia where possible, especially since they often relate to situations that the arbitrators are familiar with.

I could comment on some of your other suggestions, but I'm going to stop here, because it's not my intent at all to throw cold water on the enthusiasm that we need to bring about useful improvements in how we operate the English Wikipedia&mdash;and it's certainly high time for a fresh look at some of the entrenched systems and practices, after 15-plus years. And I expect you are looking to hear from some new blood in these discussions, rather than a rehash of "we tried that in 200X and it didn't work" types of negativity. So I'll stop here, but if you have any questions or would like my thoughts on any other specific aspects, I'd be glad to provide them. Regards, Newyorkbrad (talk) 15:38, 27 June 2016 (UTC)
 * I agree with you fully that the noticeboards need reform—everyone is well aware of the unfortunate "mob tendency" of such boards. My proposed reforms to address this issue mostly consist of (1) establishing more structured, but still straightforward, filing procedures and (2) instituting more protections for editors in danger of being blocked/banned. Details will be developed shortly. I don't have enough time now to address your point about the functionaries, but I will read your comments more thoroughly later today and respond if I have time. Thanks. Biblio (talk) WikiProject Reforming Wikipedia. 17:50, 27 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks. As I said, I'm looking forward to this discussion. Regards, Newyorkbrad (talk) 18:36, 27 June 2016 (UTC)

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C/e request
Hi, I apologise -- I've not finished the work on the High Command Trial. I thought I had a bit of time, but it looks like you've taken it on. If you'd like, I can remove it from the list. Again, very sorry! K.e.coffman (talk) 05:14, 30 June 2016 (UTC)
 * No problem at all—you can remove the article from the list, as you said. Thanks for letting me know. :) Biblio (talk) WikiProject Reforming Wikipedia. 23:27, 30 June 2016 (UTC)

2016 GA Cup-Wrap Up
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WikiProject Reforming Wikipedia
Hello Biblioworm, I got bored so I created a userbox (User WRWP) for your new WikiProject. I've inserted it under the participants/How to join section. I hope this helps, if not, feel free to revert the edit, or place the userbox somewhere else. --  Anarchyte  ( work  &#124;  talk )   08:34, 3 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Thank you. I was actually wanting something like that, but I didn't have time to do it. Biblio (talk) WikiProject Reforming Wikipedia. 16:32, 3 July 2016 (UTC)

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Valiantians
Hello,

Previously Valiantians was nominated for speedy deletion for A7 and you handled it. The user created the page without any substantial changes, so I renominated it for A7. Should this go through an AfD or PROD instead? Additionally, it looks like the user vandalized my wikipedia user page, however someone caught it and reverted it. Not sure if there's anything I should do about that part. Thanks. Dane2007 (talk) 05:53, 5 July 2016 (UTC)


 * Looks like this user went and got himself blocked. For future reference, if you could still guide me, I believe I would use an AfD or PROD for a CSD:A7 where the user recreates the page, is that right? Dane2007 (talk) 06:15, 5 July 2016 (UTC)
 * I believe you could simply renominate the page under A7 if the rationale still applies. However, you should use PROD or AfD if the article is reposted with just enough changes to make A7 no longer applicable. Of course, you should not tag the article at all if its quality has enormously improved to the point where all issues have been addressed. I hope this is helpful for you, but don't hesitate to ask further questions if needed. :) Biblio (talk) WikiProject Reforming Wikipedia. 23:23, 6 July 2016 (UTC)

European Society of Surgery
Hi Bibliworm, You deleted created by me page about European Society of Surgery

Why I think that this page (European Society of Surgery) is important for Wikipedia community.

So a few facts: 1. This Society lasts very long (over 20 years)

2. Society members are one of the best surgeons in the Europe

3. The same like this society there are may others similar societies on Wikipedia for example https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Society_of_Aesthetic_Surgery, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Society_of_Cardiology, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Society_for_Trauma_and_Emergency_Surgery, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Society_of_Gynaecological_Oncology, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Society_of_Endocrinology

4. I'm sure that General Surgery should be also represented in Wikipedia - do you think that general surgery is not important or less important then eg. Aesthetic Surgery. Or you think that beauty is more important than struggling with cancers, cutting bladders etc.

5. My wife is a part of this Society. She works with General Secretary of this Society - prof. Jan Kulig. Because I'm Software Developer in Ericsson Poland she asked me to write this article. If you read it and you claim that I wrote sth wrong please point it and I will be editing this article as long as possible to make it better.

If you have more questions to me please write or we can meet via Skype and discuss about details "face to face".

With best regards

Krzysztof Siarkiewicz — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ksiarkiewicz (talk • contribs) 11:05, 6 July 2016 (UTC)
 * After further review and talk after the deletion from, I believe the page should be restored and tagged correctly to bring it up to encyclopedic standards in line with the other societies pages. Dane2007 (talk) 12:28, 6 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Hello . I would be more than happy to restore your article, and I am willing to work with you on this talk page to bring that about. Before the article is restored to mainspace, however, there are some improvements that need to be made, so as to being the article in line with our content policies. Most importantly, you must be able to demonstrate that this society meets the notability guideline (I encourage you to read the guideline). Unfortunately, the guideline does not define an organization's notability based on its length of existence, skill of its members, or the existence of similar articles on Wikipedia. A subject is likely notable if it has received substantial coverage in reliable, third-party sources. In other words, the coverage must be more than simply a passing mention, and the reliable sources themselves must be secondary (e.g., not a primary source, such as the organization's website). Secondly, articles must be written from a neutral point of view—promotion (or, for that matter, degradation) is not permitted. So, if you can (1) demonstrate substantial, reliable third-party coverage and (2) write the article in a neutral, unbiased manner, the article will very likely be retained. You did mention that your wife works with this organization, and unfortunately this may result in conflict of interest concerns among other editors, so you will have to ensure that you are in compliance with the COI guidelines before proceeding. Finally, I observed that much of the article was copied from the organization website, and as per the copyright policy, this is not permitted unless the website's content is under a free license.


 * I am simply telling you what site policies and guidelines say. We do not have to agree with them, but compliance is necessary if the article is to be retained. Otherwise, the chances are that someone will file a successful nomination for deletion via the community deletion process, and I have no control over that. I fully understand that all the information may seem overwhelming and complex, so do feel free to leave a message here if clarification is necessary. Biblio (talk) WikiProject Reforming Wikipedia. 02:37, 7 July 2016 (UTC)


 * Thank you for your reply. I would like to work for improve this article according to your notices. During next few days I will try to learn as much as possible to raise my skills and understand rules of Wikipedia. I have to clarify also that European Society of Surgery is non-profit organization and my wife doesn't work for it but only participate in meetings and trainings (because she is surgeon). I mentioned about her because:


 * (1) I want to be transparent and also


 * (2) I think that the best knowledge about each organization has person who is involved in. I will be back later next week.


 * BR


 * Chris


 * If you wish to do so, you can start a new draft in your userspace, which can then be moved into article space once it is finished and in compliance with the content policies. User:Ksiarkiewicz/European Society of Surgery would probably be the best place to do it—you can click the link and begin working on the page just like you would when creating one in the main article space. Do make sure that the new article satisfies the notability guideline and the neutral point of view policy. Finally, ensure that your wording is original and not copied verbatim from any website. Once again, do not hesitate to ask any further questions if necessary. Biblio (talk) WikiProject Reforming Wikipedia. 21:35, 7 July 2016 (UTC)


 * Hi, I've just finished first draft of article. I tried to keep rules, but I'm sure that it might be better ;-) Therefore I'd like to ask you to do review of my text and give me feedback. It is located in place you suggested: User:Ksiarkiewicz/European Society of Surgery.


 * BR


 * Chris


 * Hi again. Did you look at my article as I wrote above? Do you have any clues how can I improve it? If no, when can you agree to publish it. 21:01, 28 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Best Regards


 * Krzysztof


 * Sorry for not responding sooner—I've been quite busy lately. I think some improvements could be made, but I would strongly recommend seeking advice at the Teahouse, where new users can ask for help on all issues. Questions are typically responded to very quickly. The volunteers there are quite friendly and helpful, so I think fresher perspectives on this issue would be beneficial for all of us. Just start a new thread there and ask for advice on how to get the article up to standards. Their team will certainly respond much faster than I ever could. Biblio (talk) WikiProject Reforming Wikipedia. 19:37, 31 July 2016 (UTC)

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2016 GOP VP Selection.
The reason why I deleted your edition, is because its not official yet, when trump makes the announcement, then it will be official, second, we don't delete the pictures of speculated candidates, if you look back at 2012, the pictures still there, so lets leave it like that. take the 2012 vp selection for example.
 * As I said on your talk page, the information about the news reports and Trump's scheduled announcement should stay, even if the speculation gallery remains. The reports of Pence being Trump's running mate are covered in our main article, United States presidential election, 2016, so its sub-articles should also include it. Biblio (talk) WikiProject Reforming Wikipedia. 23:36, 14 July 2016 (UTC)
 * , Alright, go ahead and make the changes. thanks for explaining.

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 * hey there's a cengage email address on the Questia page (search for cengage). If you are requesting renewal, could you try an experiment and just try to do it through that email address? If nothing happens I'll give you a new code... tks! Lingzhi &diams; (talk) 02:48, 17 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Hi . If you have the ability to give me the new code on the spot, I would much prefer that. It appears that the email address belongs to the customer service manager for the Questia and Highbeam divisions of Cengage—that email address probably receives dozens of messages per day, and I suspect that it would take weeks to process mine. As for the problem with using the same email address for a new account, I think I can work that out rather easily. Biblio (talk) WikiProject Reforming Wikipedia. 23:12, 17 July 2016 (UTC)
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 * Thank you very much, ! I do try to think of ways to improve this place as much as I can. Unfortunately, there is probably only so much one person can do to effectually change such an entrenched system. Biblio (talk) WikiProject Reforming Wikipedia. 00:41, 8 August 2016 (UTC)
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