User talk:Bidgee/Archive 8

Reliable Information
Does iTunes count as a reliable source? If not, what does, because the Australia EP features both "By The Boab Tree" and "Waltzing Matilda" as performed by Ophelia of the Spirits, who is in fact Angela Little, according to her myspace and webpages. How can I convey this information?

Thanks for your time. —Preceding unsigned comment added by The Fern Outside (talk • contribs) 12:55, 21 December 2008 (UTC)

York Park
Is it alright to change the article rating to B-class? I would love to expand the transport section but there doesn't seem to be any info on the net anywhere. Aaroncrick (talk) 00:41, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

Northern Territory Tropical Low
That is Cyclone Billy, not the NT Tropical Low. Here is proof that is of Billy -- क्षेम्य Tranquility 20:03, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

Seasons Greetings
Bidgee, my very best wishes for the festive season stay safe and talk to you in 2009.-- VS  talk 11:12, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

Melbourne
Good to know. The population figure I cited for Melbourne was an estimate that a demographer friend of mine gave me. I posted it because Melbourne's population is not as low as 3.8 million any more, and wanted the page to reflect that. Apparently it's harder to share information on wikipedia than I imagined.

Can I upload photos to the Melbourne page? The "skyline" shot, if one can even call it that, misses most of the 500 skyscrapers in the city. —Preceding unsigned comment added by AlexWaters89 (talk • contribs) 02:37, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

Measurements
Hi. Thanks for the comment that one of my edits "seemed to be" original research. I've found that if a distance measurement is of the type that could be verified by any user or any editor with any atlas or many mapping sites on line, then a large majority of editors, administators, etc. do not classify that in any way as original research (and don't require listing any source such as "Times Atlas" and Times gazetteer.) If they were, then 4/5 of WP geography ("10 miles east of.....border Pacific Ocean for 100 miles.....4 miles off the Northern Territories coast"......etc., etc. would have to be deleted,yes?

As far as the extreme points article, I was surprised a couple (?) years ago when I saw "most remote city" added by someone. ("Perth"....I wasn't sure the category fit in the article at all.) I then added Honolulu. I think you would agree that if Auckland at 1 million pop. had a 900,000 pop. city nearby, then it wouldn't be listed as "remote", right?

So where is the "cut-off?" Common sense (and a dictionary definition of "remote") would dictate that it would be lower than an allowance for "big" cities like Wellington and Christchurch (I got to travel to there and Tasmania...outstanding!) For a long time until a few weeks ago, most readers/potential editors of this remote points article apparently seemed to feel that the proximity of a couple cities nearing half a million to Auckland disqualify Auckland from "remote" status, when Perth and Honolulu have no cities over 50,0000 (!) or so pop. anywhere near them. I think most do. I sure do....makes sense, yes?

Comes down to a definition of "remote", I suppose..... But by any definition, "remote" certainly does not mean nearby(by Perth-Honolulu standards!) 400,000 pop. cities, so I reverted back to the way it has been for the past year or two. Hope you agree, as I've seen how much good work you've done, esp. with maps (I like your NSW & N. Terr. maps!).....There are so few of us professional cartographers around (I'm have only done a couple for WP but have been a prof cartographer in the US for 30 years) that we need to work together! (Fewer cartographers yet in the "not religious, no smoking, recycling category.....loved your descriptions!)DLinth (talk) 01:10, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

Thanks
Thanks very much for the revert to my talk page on New Year's eve. I only just noticed now when I was checking what Werdna's bot had archived while I was away to make sure I hadn't missed any comments. I do appreciate it very much. I commented on a discussion on the mailing list about dealing with Grawp/Jeremy Hanson and his mother (who refuses to believe her poor little boy would do anything like that) and I guess that made me a target! Thanks again Bidgee and I hope you had a very happy Christmas and New Year. Cheers, Sarah 01:10, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

Lone Pine
Welcome back from your break. Like your work here. I think it is correct that the park in Culcairn (just on the right travelling Wagga Wagga to Albury before you take the right turn to cross the railway tracks) has a pine that is descendant of the original lone pine - but I am going by memory not having stopped there for some years.-- VS talk 03:34, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

2008–09 Australian region cyclone season
You maight also enquire as to why Hurricane Katrina, a featured article, is quite comfortable with the use of local time. "Katrina made its second landfall at 6:10 a.m. CDT on Monday, August 29 as a Category 3 hurricane " (my bolding). Watch out for (baseless) accusations of WP:OWN. -- Mattinbgn\talk 23:22, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

Australian National Airways vs ANA
Hi Bidgee,

I know that the much better known Holyman's Australian National Airways was commonly known as "ANA", but Kingsford Smith's earlier airline was a completely seperate entity, and I've never seen the abbreviation used on any material relating to the earlier airline (here for example). Using the later airline's common name to refer to the earlier airline just makes things even more confusing than they already are. ;) FiggyBee (talk) 06:23, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

Portland High School
Thanks for fixing the image. I asked User:Longhair to fix it, as he fixed the license in 2007 and the uploader has not been back since then. A mate who was brought up in Portland just told me about this. -- Bduke   (Discussion)  11:53, 21 January 2009 (UTC)
 * I have reverted your edit on the US HS article now you have restored that image. -- Bduke   (Discussion)  20:52, 21 January 2009 (UTC)

Invite to Canberra Meetup #2
--.../Nemo (talk • Contributions) 16:45, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

MMM
i dont see how a scheduele is a directory... it actually has encyclopaedic merit, as it can be seen as a historical record/table, please don't remove it again, i don't see what the problem is having them on 2mmm or any other mmm wikis.

thanks. Inirapsag (talk) 09:59, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

Re: Please Assume Good Faith!
My apologies for what happened yesterday with Tropical Storm Dongo and 2008–09 Australian region cyclone season, I meant in no way, shape, or form for it to be a personal attack or assuming bad faith. I was a bit frustrated in RL at the time and I wasn't really in the mood for a tag on something that had it referenced, despite the reference being in the incorrect place. As for the Australian Region mishap, I meant to hit "rollback" instead of "rollback (vandalism)" and I didn't notice that until after it had completed the task. I know both your edits were good faith as there was nothing wrong with either of them, both incidents were caused by mistakes on my part. That said, for the information you questioned for Dongo, it would have been better if you either placed the at the appropriate place in the main body of the article as the lead is a summary of the article and doesn't need referencing, or left a note on either my talk page or the articles talk page about that statement. Hopefully I caused no harm in this whole thing and we can all just get on with things. Cheers, Cyclonebiskit 20:26, 25 January 2009 (UTC)

Sam Moran
Hello Bidgee, and happy Australia Day! Thanks for your edits to Sam's article, especially the image of he and his wife Lyn. They're just so darn cute! I noticed that you cited an article from The Daily Advertiser, but you didn't provide the URL. I tried looking for it myself, but I couldn't find it. I'd like to see that story, since it may have info that we could use in other Wiggles-related articles. Thanks, --Figureskatingfan (talk) 07:25, 26 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the note; I kinda had the feeling it'd be like that. I try to avoid not-easily-accessible sources, too, but there's no WP policy against it.  Does the Daily Advertiser story have an author?  If so, we should add it and make all the references on Sam's article consistent. --Figureskatingfan (talk) 16:40, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

Creative Commons
What type of images are able to be uploaded to Wikipedia? This list is at; http://www.flickr.com/creativecommons/
 * Attribution License
 * Attribution-NoDerivs License
 * Attribution-NonCommercial-NoDerivs License
 * Attribution-NonCommercial-ShareAlike License
 * Attribution-ShareAlike License

Thankyou,  Aaroncrick  ( Tassie Talk ) 01:32, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks for clearing that up, i didn't want to just upload random ones like i used to.  Aaroncrick  ( Tassie Talk ) 01:49, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

Kay Hull
Well done on getting the photo of Kay Hull (and a good one too!) It goes a long way towards demonstrating, contrary to the view of WP:AUSPOL, it is possible to get photographs of serving politicians in Australia. Did you let her know it was for use on Wikipedia? I missed our Australia Day celebrations and if I had been there I could have got a picture of Sussan Ley, who was in attendance. -- Mattinbgn\talk 05:31, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
 * There are some times I am glad I work in an air-conditioned office! -- Mattinbgn\talk 08:03, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

Hello. I don't know much about WP in so far as structure and I really don't care. however I believe that my website is a "standard" for information related to chasing storms and since its restructuring it will become a repository for life saving information meant for teachers to use in their classrooms. I could care less about the search engine business as well. Our thoughts were that if teachers searched the WP article that they perhaps might visit the site and find the information that they are looking for. I'd rather keep that information on our website, as opposed to another site such as WP. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.180.191.239 (talk) 03:56, 28 January 2009 (UTC)

Murray cod photo
Hello, I must be blunt and say I do not appreciate you arbitrarily deciding "one picture is enough" and deleting the Murray cod I uploaded TWICE. Please leave the page alone. Codman (talk) 10:13, 28 January 2009 (UTC)


 * One image of the same fish is enough. I suggest that you read the message (Templated) left and take a look at WP:OWN. Bidgee (talk) 10:24, 28 January 2009 (UTC)


 * You think unilaterally deleting a picture (no discussion with me) is a 'contribution' to the Murray cod page??? I don't think so.  And Wiki ettiquette aside, that page is entirely the work of myself and colleague, so I don't take kindly to such action.  And since when is one picture enough?  Said you?  An article on an animal species can't have too many picture IMHO.  Get used to that picture going up again and again until you leave it alone.  Codman (talk) 10:36, 28 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Again I suggest that you take sometime and read WP:OWN and WP:AGF which are policies of Wikipedia. You don't own the article nor does your colleague and I don't own the article. There is a Commons template located on the bottom of the page for all media of the Murray cod. Adding s photo of the same fish is not needed as there is already a photograph of a Murray cod in a fish tank. Bidgee (talk) 10:40, 28 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Just leave it alone, unless you care to point to a "number of pictures" rule. Codman (talk) 10:47, 28 January 2009 (UTC)


 * With your current behaviour, I am forced to say you are the kind of person that makes Wikipedia suck. No wonder I hardly bother with the place anymore. Codman (talk) 10:50, 28 January 2009 (UTC)


 * If your not going to listen to what I have said then I see no point in repeating myself. Bidgee (talk) 10:57, 28 January 2009 (UTC)

Everyday rewards Woolworths
Hi Tasmania will not be getting the Everydays rewards card how do i know this? I work for woolworths in Tas and have been told that cos of the F$C Card the card would not be rolled out —Preceding unsigned comment added by Xevious dreams (talk • contribs) 01:29, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

Orphaned non-free media (File:Harvey Norman.png)
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Per your last removal of bad faith comment
I have noted that User:124.170.211.25 is probably a sock of User:Wizzzzman - please seem immediately corresponding edits at User:Codman. If you concur with my assumption and you have time can you file a report at SSP as I have to go off to a function at this moment.-- VS talk 10:30, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

Launceston Airport temperature
Do you really think an Examiner article is as good a reference as the official BOM site? The Examiner must of got the info from the Bureau but things seem to be slightly different. The bureau says Launceston Airport was 39.9°C and says Launceston got to 39.0°C. The Examiner article however decides Launceston got to 38.7° in the article part and then changed to 38.8 in the Extreme hot spots section. The BOM would have to be a more accurate source i'd imagine. Unless it's gone a bit wacko because a guy from the BOM said Launceston Airport got to over 40°C on the radio  Aaroncrick  ( Tassie Talk ) 03:18, 31 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Does seem to be, I've emailed the BOM but I don't expect a response. We'll just have to wait for the Tasmania in January report or Tasmanian in Summer report.  Aaroncrick  ( Tassie Talk ) 03:55, 31 January 2009 (UTC)
 * I got a reply from BOM; There are two sites at Launceston Airport. On Friday 30th the old one recorded 39.9 and the new reached 40.4. Launceston did reach a maximum of 39.0. Not the 38.7 or 38.8 that was used in the Examiner Article. Cheers  Aaroncrick  ( Tassie Talk ) 05:27, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

SA Heat Wave
Try this link - http://www.bom.gov.au/products/IDS60900.shtml - says 40.6 at 5:08 pm. I think the page you're looking at is just the half hourly updates - not what the temperature might have been at any given minute :-)Shim jb (talk) 08:43, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

Launceston Climate
I've re-wrote the Launceston Climate section. I don't know very much a weather and I'm not an experienced editor and have fairly poor writing skills. I've based the section on mainly the Sydney climate. Does it look OK to you?  Aaroncrick  ( Tassie Talk ) 00:11, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Have you checked? I think it looks fine and I know you've been busy.  Aaroncrick (Tassie talk) 05:11, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
 * No I haven't but I'll try and look at it tonight. Bidgee (talk) 05:14, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Yep, that's cool.  Aaroncrick (Tassie talk) 01:38, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

Image licensing
I've requested 'James D Photography (www.jamesdemetrie.com) Copyright 2009' release these images,

Tasman Bridge

Cadbury Chocolate Factory

Bellerive Oval

Launceston Airport

His reply was

Hi Aaron, it was far from cool in Tassie, it was record breaking heatwave while we were there. I have release all 4 photos, for you for the sole purpose of being put in to wikipedia. Can you please explain a little more as to what my photos will be used for? Could you please credit James D Photography (www.jamesdemetrie.com) Copyright 2009 wherever the photos are used.

So could you please explain how I license these images properly. Thanks.  Aaroncrick  ( Tassie Talk ) 06:02, 2 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Don't blame you! Would of been very exhausting out there is the sun! Do you live in country New South Wales?  Aaroncrick   ( Tassie Talk ) 09:01, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Argh.. that's very hot! Very dry air as well. For your sake I hope it cools down a bit!  Aaroncrick  ( Tassie Talk ) 09:37, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Being Tasmanian I'd understand if you wanted the weather in winter to warm up a bit! Temperature averages in winter look very similar to here. But in Summer it seems to be a lot lot hotter up there.  Aaroncrick  ( Tassie Talk ) 09:44, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

My apologies again
I hope you can accept another apology from me for my recent actions. Although I might be frustrated in real life, there was no reason for me to act the way I did here, and I'm sorry that you took the brunt of it. Hopefully, I will be able to control that so it will never happen again and I look foreword to working with you on the Australian Cyclone season articles and possibly more :) Cheers, Cyclonebiskit 04:16, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
 * I accept the apology. Meteorology is my passion (nerdy side of me you can say!) on top of photography. I hope next time we both have a disagreement that it doesn't turn into a wall of flames (My way of saying flaming each other ;) ). Bidgee (talk) 04:44, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

your edits to NAB article
you reverted an admittedly unreferenced profit figure to an equally unreferenced profit figure from 2 years ago. why ? instead why not add a reference to the correct latest figure ?

you also dispute that it's of itnerest that NAB is the world's 17th largest bank. believe me, it is relevant to customers, especially in these times. and of course, NAB has several million customers, so I'd say it is relevant to the article. it is also of interest to australia as it reflects the growing importance of the finance industry on a world scale. this is exactly the point of the SMH article that is referenced here. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.170.178.60 (talk) 20:15, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
 * For your information, the edits referred to by the above anon have been reverted because they are coming from the sockpuppeteer Wizzzzman. I have reblocked the account and will continue to do so until the sockpuppeting is addressed.-- VS  talk 21:05, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

Avianca
Hello, I'm responsible for that section Avianca in the Spanish Wikipedia is featured article, and looking at the issues that I have seen it insist that Avianca was founded in 1940, when it really was founded on December 5, 1919 with SCADTA name where it later became a name change to AVIANCA and is made in Colombia as AVIANCA and founded in 1919, I quote from www.avianca.com to check the veracity of what I say:

Thanks to the ingeniousness and adventurous spirit of a group of Germans and Colombians, Sociedad Colombo Alemana de Transporte Aéreo – SCADTA was founded in Barranquilla, Colombia on December 5, 1919. It was the first commercial airline founded in Latin America and the second one in the world.

In December 2004, Avianca celebrated its 85th anniversary and its 85th year of uninterrupted operations. This means that this Colombian airline has contributed to Colombia’s development and has been a national emblem throughout the skies of the world for more than eight decades.

I appreciate the difficulty of solution is putting the real date of foundation of AVIANCA. Good evening from Bogota, Colombia. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Nicop (talk • contribs) 23:10, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

Cyclone Billy (2008)
I've had a sandbox for Cyclone Billy for a while but I haven't been expanding it since it made its first landfall as a Category 2 cyclone. Since I'm trying to (slowly at least) clean out my sandboxes, I was wondering if you had any impact sources for the storm. If so, you can either add them in or leave the source on my talk page. The sandbox is located at User:Cyclonebiskit/Cyclone Billy (2008). Thanks, Cyclonebiskit 01:23, 5 February 2009 (UTC)


 * I'm a bit busy ATM but I'll try sometime over the next few days for some sources. Bidgee (talk) 01:30, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

2009 Victorian bushfires
Information from DSE, DHS & CFA via ABC News Radio, a little after midnight. Was wondering why it hadn't been updated yet. Nick carson (talk) 13:50, 8 February 2009 (UTC)


 * We're in the same boat with the sleep and the smoke and everything. I can assure you that any info I add won't be completely unsourced. Policy is in need of amendment regarding the inclusion of non-commercial radio sources amongst other things, and this also annoys me. I can understand your frustration with people adding completely unsourced information and I suppose we can hold off on some inclusions until we get a WP out of date policy certified source. Sheesh :] Nick carson (talk) 14:20, 8 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Thanks. I'm also using some maps of the burnt areas from the CFA, recent satellite images. The better version won't be ready till tomorrow unless I go without sleep for longer which I don't think is possible. At least we've got a basic map until the new version is done. Nick carson (talk) 14:50, 8 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Yep, I'm off to bed too. Hoping not to wake up to a death toll of 150. Sent shivers down my spine when the first 14 were announced being around Kinglake and St. Andrews where I have many friends. Can't believe the smoke has reached Wagga Wagga, I put the image in a gallery, hopefully we can get some more images. You've probably seen some of the ones I've taken, we're getting some amazing skies with cloud and smoke mingling. Wish I could get further into the hills to take some pics for WP but the less people around there the better, I don't want to get in the way. Nick carson (talk) 15:16, 8 February 2009 (UTC)

Amazing picture of the smoke that has already filled Wagga Wagga. Hopefully there are no fires close to you.  Aaroncrick (Tassie talk) 04:43, 9 February 2009 (UTC)


 * A k, get you. Didn't know that records have to be from same recording station.  Aaroncrick (Tassie talk) 04:58, 9 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Changed reference to Tasmania in January 2009  Aaroncrick (Tassie talk) 05:07, 9 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Not great news really. Hope the smoke doesn't settle down here as it will be trapped for a month. The dumb Ravo's (Bogans of Launnie) have decided that it might be a great idea to light a couple of fires here. Idiots! Weather is supposed to cool down so hopefully the fires over their will start to be controlled.  Aaroncrick (Tassie talk) 07:45, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

Sam Moran
Thank you for your constructive criticism in re: my edits to the page of Sam Moran. However, I cannot provide any particular source off-hand short of asking his mother to send me a copy of his birth certificate showing the place of birth (which I would not do). However, I do not think it appropriate that my change be labelled "incorrect." Perhaps "undocumented"? RavShimon (talk) 03:43, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
 * You need a reliable and verifiable source. ATM the only source I've found is The Daily Advertiser which suits both of the source policies. If you can find anything. Maybe if you say you do know him or his family is to request that he add's his place of birth on his BIO on the Wiggles website (I'm sure I've seen his BIO there not sure). Bidgee (talk) 03:48, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
 * FYI, the Wiggles webpage states that Sam grew up in Wagga Wagga, and moved to Sydney to study music. --Figureskatingfan (talk) 04:53, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

09 vic bushfire info
Thanks :] I've been tracing the path of the Kilmore origin fire more than the weather conditions. It must have swept from Mt. Disapointment to Marysville very quickly. There are alot of scattered spot fire marks between Yarra Glen and Healesville in that more agricultural oriented vegetation, as opposed to the hilly forested areas around Kinglake to Marysville. From Mt. Disapointment they travelled in a SSE direction before reaching Arthur's Creek and St. Andrews from where the wind change seems to have pushed the fires further east through Steels Creek and Narbethong towards Marysville. Nick carson (talk) 10:46, 10 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Nope, that's fine. I'm sure we'll find out in the final report, at which time we should finally be able to do the subject matter some justice in the WP article. Nick carson (talk) 11:09, 10 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Wow, Melbourne has had very little smoke, but we can see everything from where we are, looking out over the Yarra Valley, particularly today there's been smoke through all of the hills and there's alot of them. Took a bit of a drive to Yarra Glen/Steels Creek today, pretty surreal experience. Nick carson (talk) 11:18, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

Thankyou
Thanks for the award, it's only the 2nd I've ever received, so I'm unsure about the protocol. Thankyou for your contributions to the same article (2009 Victorian bushfires) which have been more disciplined than my own. Nick carson (talk) 11:45, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

Again
Thanks. Peace. SeanMack (talk) 16:04, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

re: spelling
oops - sorry 'bout that. I have UK, US, and Canada added to my dict. Would you happen to know where the Australian dictionary plug-in for Firefox is? — Ched (talk) 11:35, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
 * hmmm ... I checked here but can't find one - I'll just leave the Australian ones go until I can find one. Thanks for letting me know.  I think the proper greeting is "Cheers Mate" ! :)— Ched (talk) 11:43, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

Copyright violations
Since you do work on copyright violations, I'd like to call your attention to the photo "File:Moran mor Baselios Kleemis.jpg" (shown at left and lifted from this page or this [age) and the track record of the uploader User:Simon Cheakkanal. Check out the other photos this user has uploaded. Their image size and resolution indicate to me that they too have been lifted off the web. --Boston (talk) 16:19, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

Re
Thanks, Maybe your defiance on rating York Park B-class helped! haha. I think it's just as important to help many lower class articles. That's what I was intending to do with York Park, but i knew that no one else would really edit it so I thought I may as well give it my best shot at bringing it up to GA Standard.  Aaroncrick (Tassie talk) 10:47, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

Distance of Canberra by road to Brisbane, Adelaide & Perth
My edits to the distance of the Brisbane, Adelaide and Perth from Canberra was based on Google Maps. The routes taken were via the shortest distance on sealed roads. Canberra to Brisbane Canberra to Adelaide Canberra to PerthScrooke (talk) 07:06, 21 February 2009 (UTC)


 * In my experience Google Maps is fairly accurate i.e. I have found it agrees closely with paper based road maps whenever I have checked a distance. Having said that, I agree that there may be more reliable sources and I haven't used other methods to cross check the Google Maps values in this case.  Also, the distance depends on what route you take and that can be several, especially in the case of Adelaide and Brisbane.  However, I note that the distances currently quoted are not cited so I guess they are disputable. Cheers  Scrooke (talk) 07:54, 21 February 2009 (UTC)


 * On another matter, perhaps the climate data for Canberra could be looked at. The figures used appear to be based on the Canberra city weather station which has data from 1974 to 1988 and is now closed. I suggest using the Canberra Airport AWS which is the official weather station used for Canberra and has 70 years of data up to the present. I live in Canberra so I am knowledgable about this subject. What do you think?  Canberra Airport AWS Canberra City Scrooke (talk) 07:54, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

Canberra climate data
On another matter, perhaps the climate data for Canberra could be looked at. The figures used appear to be based on the Canberra city weather station which has data from 1974 to 1988 and is now closed. I suggest using the Canberra Airport AWS which is the official weather station used for Canberra and has 70 years of data up to the present. I live in Canberra so I am knowledgable about this subject. What do you think? Canberra Airport AWS Canberra City Scrooke (talk) 00:09, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

Australia
Thanks for noticing. It won't last though - I'll just get reverted. There does not seem to be many of the good editors watching or caring anymore and the whole article is going down the loo. Same with Sydney. Only 2 years ago it was almost impossible to get rubbish edits in but now they happen all the time. These articles used to be watched like hawks. The prose and coverage is a more difficult problem than excess photos. --Merbabu (talk) 09:47, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
 * See what I mean. (sigh). --Merbabu (talk) 09:49, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
 * aha - an editor you mention did put sub-sections into the culture section. i thought the article was good for only having top level headings. How do you think Australia compares to Indonesia (the articles I mean)? --Merbabu (talk) 10:03, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

User:Bidgee/bus service
Hi Bidgee, I noticed you used User:Bidgee/bus service on the Transborder Express article. Should this be in the Template space? Graeme Bartlett (talk) 00:44, 25 February 2009 (UTC)