User talk:BigHaz/Archive 9

Bio Article
Please check out my user page/sand box to see if I'm on the right path with this bio. Thanks! Maleopold 22:13, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

Minor edits
True. But this was an article that had already been moved to next update. ;) Camptown 00:34, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Well in that case the summary's more important again. BigHaz - Schreit mich an 01:45, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

Macintosh Garden
I noticed you deleted Macintosh Garden earlier this month. The Afd discussion occurred in 2005 and as you commented in the deletion log, the merge apparently never happened. Per WP:DRV, I am asking that you put the article back up and instead re-nominate it for deletion. This way a full and current discussion of the article as it presently appears can occur. --204.42.24.228 23:01, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
 * I don't see why that's a useful course of action. It was listed for Speedy Deletion as a db-web case, and the fact that it had previously been AfD'd confirmed that suspicion. The fact that it hadn't been merged simply demonstrates laziness on the part of those involved at the time. BigHaz - Schreit mich an 23:07, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Is it policy or in the guidelines to delete Afd articles that reached a consensus of merge but have not been merged after a period of time? It seems to me the (very weak) consensus was to delete after a merge. Since the merge did not occur, it does not seem proper to me to delete.  The result of the Afd also seems dated.  Things change.  That is why I would propose an Afd in the present as a solution. Btw, what does db-web case mean?  Also, could you point me to the Speedy Deletion listing?  I can't seem to find it. --204.42.24.228 23:25, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Consensus was that the article should be merged and redirected etc. This didn't happen in more than 2 years, so whoever was meant to have done that was asleep at the wheel, thus suggesting that nobody cared enough about the article to do anything. The article was then - two years later - listed as a speedy deletion case with the "db-web" tag added to it. I agreed with that tagging and thus deleted the article. The fact that something should have happened to it years before is somewhat beside the point. BigHaz - Schreit mich an 23:56, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Well, it would be nice to have a real discussion about the article at the time it is deleted rather than two years earlier and with only two participants. The Criteria for speedy deletion policy also say at A7: "If ... there has been a previous AfD, the article should be nominated for AfD instead."  I hope you will please reconsider your position and put back up the article so a proper AfD can take place. --204.42.24.228 00:19, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

Contextual Postscript: I was in the process of reviewing my actions when two different IPs (not this one with whom I have been in conversation) took it upon themselves to vandalise both my userpage and my Talk page. While I'm more than prepared to assume good faith on the part of the individual with whom I have had this conversation, the actions of others suggest that re-creating the article and listing it at AfD will only result in more disruption after a potentially time-consuming process. BigHaz - Schreit mich an 08:52, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

xkcd
Hey! A fan pointed me over to where you had deleted the line about my working for NASA from the short article on me (Randall Munroe), labeling it "patently made-up information". Understandable and taken in good humor, of course, and nothing on the page is sourced (it's more of a stub than anything). But I'm curious why you were so sure it was fabricated. :) --Xkcd 02:45, 19 March 2007 (UTC)xkcd
 * I find it hard to believe that a 22-year-old could have been working full-time for NASA. Of course, you may well be freakishly gifted and the kind of person that NASA would have been all over, but it just seems ever so slightly hard to believe. BigHaz - Schreit mich an 04:43, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
 * I interned there during college and started working for them a bit before I graduated. I stayed for the better part of a year until late 2006.  NASA is a huge organization with a tremendous number of contract positions on all sorts of projects.  It's not all rocket scientists leaning over mission control screens and talking to astronauts on their headsets.


 * Anyway, the information is taken from my published bio page, but you're right -- you have no way of knowing whether I'm lying or not. I guess it's probably safest to assume that I am.
 * In that case, I'll admit my mistake and congratulate you on interning and working in a pretty impressive place (I know very little about science, but anyone who got to work for NASA has got to be a smart cookie in that kind of area). Feel free to re-add the info, although the impression I got from the original version was more than you weren't just a contract worker. If that's not even a valid distinction in the States - it's increasingly less of one here in Oz - then my apologies there in advance. BigHaz - Schreit mich an 11:34, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Honestly, they never really explained to me which one I was. I went to work every day in a building at NASA where I worked on NASA robots, and NASA paid me (through a government contractor).  When I said "I work for NASA" no one argued.


 * It was a lot more Dilbert-esque than you would expect. Old, echoing tile hallways with quiet, gruff middle-aged men working at blueprint-covered desks, mild office politics, lots of presentations and buzzwords, and hours spent wading through computer code trying to figure out why the motor on the lab bench was spinning the wrong way.  I thought it sounded like the perfect place to work, and it was good in a lot of ways, but I was happy to leave. --Xkcd 14:21, 19 March 2007 (UTC)xkcd

Can you nominate my entry
Hey BigHaz, can you please show me how the nomination process goes for DYK, I mean is it nominated the same way like featured articles are nominated. Actually, this thing is new to me. Thanks Sushant gupta 05:38, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Sure thing. The way it works is that your nomination which you made is called the "hook". That gets put onto the Suggestions page, which I'll move it to in a moment. Over the next few days, people will make various comments about it - if the "hook" is too long, if it needs sources, whatever else. If you're able to respond to those comments (if there are any made), then your article might get selected. BigHaz - Schreit mich an 05:42, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
 * By suggestion pages you mean to say talk pages or what Sushant gupta 06:16, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
 * User:KNM nominated my entry on transport of himachal pradesh (page was created by me only). It also appeared on the main page also. Can you show me the suggestion page for that entry. Sushant gupta 06:19, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
 * It's not easy to do that, since the suggestions are cleared from the page after they get onto the front page, so I really can't just point you to a page and say "here you are". What particularly do you want to see? If you're after examples of the kinds of comments people make, just keep an eye on the Suggestions page. BigHaz - Schreit mich an 06:33, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

Caucasian ethnicities
semites are caucasian. Wantednewlook 05:50, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Or indeed not. See, for example, Semitic, which clearly indicates otherwise. They speak wildly different languages to those spoken by Indo-European people (who are the ones we normally call "Caucasian"), so unless there's some startling new research out there, I don't think that comment is accurate. BigHaz - Schreit mich an 05:59, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm not even going to dignify this with a response. Wantednewlook 06:01, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
 * You don't have to. I'm just reflecting the general academic consensus, which you're welcome to doubt as much as you want. It's just that when comments are made on AfDs at considerable variance with that consensus, particularly in a rather contentious AfD, I get curious. BigHaz - Schreit mich an 06:05, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

Contextual Postscript: This discussion relates to the user's comment in an AfD that Arabs are properly described as Caucasian. As a specialist in the Middle East, my curiosity was piqued to say the least. BigHaz - Schreit mich an 06:37, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm afraid you appear to be very misinformed. Academics such as J. Phillipe Rushton define caucasoid race as "A major racial division of mankind originally inhabiting Europe, North Africa, western Asia, and India. Hair in males is generally well developed on the face and body, and is mostly fine and wavy or straight. A narrow face, prominent narrow nose, and narrow lips are typical." The Caucasian race (sometimes called the Caucasoid race) is defined by the Oxford English Dictionary as, "relating to a broad division of humankind covering peoples from Europe, western Asia, Middle East, South Asia and North Africa" Note that caucasian/caucasoid is a racial group, not a linguistic one.  It is thus defined by biogeographic ancestry, genetics, and physical traits, not language. Semites are caucasoid because they originate in Western Asia Wantednewlook 13:13, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Not everyone from those locations is going to be Semitic, Caucasoid, Negroid or whatever we want to talk about. For example, if one wants to say that "Caucasoid" is another term for "Indo-European", which is a good enough definition, then we find that the Persians and their relatives are Caucasoid (and they live in the Middle East and South Asia). The Arabs, on the other hand, are not, and yet they live in the same place. The world's a funny place like that sometimes. BigHaz - Schreit mich an 22:15, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

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Georgia WikiProject
Please check out the discussion at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Council/Proposals#Georgia_.28country.29 Chris 02:53, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

Potentially the same user
Yoyoboy2 and Santidane are potentially the same user. I haven't yet found any other ones that could be the same person, but these two have put up a slew of articles that are all in Spanish and all absolute nonsense. I've tagged the articles for speedy, but something probably needs to be done about the users themselves. Thanks! -Yupik 07:46, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Kiitos for the heads-up. I'll speedy the articles, and you might want to file a request for CheckUser if you feel that there's more than just the average nincompoopery going on. BigHaz - Schreit mich an 07:49, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks! I'll keep my eye on the user(s) to see if they keep it up. Hopefully this is enough of a deterrent. By the way, I left Shimeru a similar note as s(he) caught what might have been the first article of the bunch. -Yupik 07:52, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
 * I'll be around a bit tonight (my time - it's 6pmish here), so if anyone's up to anything with more Spanish nonsense, just drop me a line and I'll delete the articles. BigHaz - Schreit mich an 07:54, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
 * It's 10 a.m. here, so I'll be on and off during the day. -Yupik 07:55, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

Bio article in my sandbox
It's not so much "socially responsible investing" that Marc has pioneered as SRI has been around for well over a hundred years. Rather, within the movement, he is the person who was really the first to empirically prove that SRI could be done in a way that provided investors with the ability to achieve competitive or better market returns vs. traditional asset management. Historically (as mentioned in my draft), SRI management has been marginalized due to the fact that it has lagged in performance compared to traditional money management approaches. This made SRI something which tended to appeal only to those who wanted to somehow salve their conscience, and were willing to take a hit financially at the same time. The Advocacy Investing approach, and why it was and is so notable within the movement, and why it got so much attention, was because it provided scientific research from an 8-year study showing how SRI can be done both "responsibly" AND profitably, which isn't such a small task. This has opened the doors to huge institutional investors (as well as individuals) who couldn't consider SRI approaches before because it's performance lag violated certain "prudent investor" and suitability guidelines. In addition to these things, the book laying out the research and argument came at the forefront of many articles which came out and are continuing to come out re: the fact that SRI and CSR issues are, indeed, quantifiable and can be profitiable, often more profitable, than the way corporations have been managed in the past. On a global scale, this is truly revelatory because the implications are that of a whole new way of running business enterprises like we have never seen before, at least not on the scale where it is the "prefered" method of management within the capital markets.

Is this clear now? How would you suggest incorporating what I just said, or is it already evident in the article? Thanks! Maleopold 16:36, 23 March 2007 (UTC)


 * The key is going to be twofold. Number one, you'll need to make that clearer in the article (as an admitted layman, I don't find that information there). Number two, you'll need to source same. BigHaz - Schreit mich an 21:11, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

newspaper published scanned image of dale abenojar summit certficate
Hi BigHaz, artvaldez here. Greetings! I believe you deleted the image for the right reason. I am totally disoriented on the tag issue as I am a beginner contributor. I need your assistance in having the right tag on the emailed photo certificate sent by Mr. Abenojar through his email address that was published online by Monterosa Treks & Expeditions, Nepal. I am contributing factual entries to his article with the help of the Philippine tri-media and other reliable sources about his pioneering adventures and other related bio-data. He says the image he sent to various tri-media in the Philippines (that all published his certificate) and to me is free to anyone to publicly publish it, research on it, cross-examine or use it for educational purposes and more especially for Wikipedia to post it as a reference to his article. You may reply to me on my talk page. Many thanks in advance.--Artvaldez 17:25, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

hey bighaz
Hey, thanks bro. I still disoriented on many tools in here. I'll try to learn eventually. I am now sure I am on the right path because of you :-) --Artvaldez 13:40, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

Missed one?
Heya, saw you closed and deleted the helicopter in popular culture AfD/article, but I noticed the second article (also nominated within that AfD) was left undeleted. Should I renominate it for it's own AfD (hopefully not), or can you just delete it (same grounds/AfD)? /Blaxthos 01:33, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Ach, silly me. Should've noticed that it had been bundled in there. BigHaz - Schreit mich an 01:57, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

Copied from a subpage
Your stated 'Policy' concerning deletions does not seem very accurate. What you claim does not seem to gel with your actions. Just an opinion. STEALTH RANGER 18:40, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry to hear that you think that. I presume that this is in relation to the AfD on the list of superhero captains which I closed as a delete the other day. Looking at that page and comparing it with my philosophy page, I can't see where the disconnect is. Would you be able to clarify? BigHaz - Schreit mich an 22:06, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

Oriya Surnames
Hey! Friend I guess we need a list of surnames of Oriya people. With the Oriya diaspora slowly growing across the world there will be an interest in tracing surnames. Cheers —Preceding unsigned comment added by Savitr (talk • contribs)
 * I can see your point, however I'd argue the opposite. Firstly, a large number of lists of surnames from various languages (Spanish, Maltese, Russian etc) were recently transwiki'd to Wiktionary based on the argument that lists of surnames are not in themselves encyclopedic. As I see it, a list of surnames specific to a particular caste (or whatever the right term is, I'm not well-up on Indian culture these days) is a specific case of a list of surnames.
 * Secondly, even if the surnames are in fact encyclopedic, I don't see why we need them as a separate article. What makes a bare list of Oriya surnames need to be separated from an article on the Oriyas themselves? BigHaz - Schreit mich an 11:18, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

Hey! BigHaz

I have taken your point onboard. Indian surnames are unique in-a-way since they also signify sub-ethnic group, each with their own history. I do see your point though- so maybe I would create a link to several 'oriya surnames' within the main oriya page.

Thanks for your suggestions. Best —Preceding unsigned comment added by Savitr (talk • contribs)
 * I'd be tempted to go slightly further than that. List the names on the main Oriya page and give some details on what each one means etc on that page. If one name (or a couple of names) end up with too much information to be held on that page, then "spin the article off" into a separate one. If you want advice on how the page looks at any point, don't hesitate to get in touch. BigHaz - Schreit mich an 11:54, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

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Photograph
I heard a photo of me was needed for Becky Garrison - I inserted it and it was removed. I own the copywright - please let me know what I need to do to submit a subitable photograph that is acceptable to Wikipedia. BG —Preceding unsigned comment added by 151.202.79.245 (talk • contribs)
 * The image didn't have a copyright tag. The information you're after is at WP:COPYRIGHT. BigHaz - Schreit mich an 21:48, 27 March 2007 (UTC)