User talk:Bignole/Archive/2008/August

Removal of "Joker's Scars"
Why would that section of the talk be removed and not the novel of talk about two-face? That goes on far longer than the Joker Scar talk (which did relate to the article in discussing and settling why neither story by the Joker was part of the entry) and it [the two-face debate] borders on being a flame war forum itself.

There should be some better balance to what is deleted and what is not. I concede to the deletion already made, I just don't understand why the other tired talk entry is allowed to remain in its entirety, broken into several pieces, and allowed to repeat the same arguments over and over... —Preceding unsigned comment added by Medleystudios72 (talk • contribs) 20:27, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

Jason/Jersey
Ya know what - I apologize for my response on my talk page. You didn't deserve that. I wasn't trying to violate wp:civil with my original responses, it was my attempt at humor. So when you removed the categories, I figured you knew better and wasn't going to debate you. But for the record, for as long as I remember, everyone I grew up with was under the assumption Jason/Friday the 13th was based in Jersey. Maybe that's just a reflection of my environment. lol --Endless Dan 21:42, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
 * To be honest I was expecting to be bombarded with admins at my page (not an uncommon occurrence) moments after I hit 'save page'. Not that I do these things on purpose or thought it would have been unjustified if it did go down like that, but I just have very little restraint on both Wikipedia and in real life. That's a me problem I suppose. In any case, cheers. --Endless Dan 21:57, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

Tropic Thunder
I see that you removed the soundtrack image for the Tropic Thunder page. For future reference, I was just curious about which of the criteria the image doesn't meet. The only one I believe that it doesn't meet is that it is similar to the movie poster. However, in many film articles a lot of the soundtracks utilize the similar covers/posters, but is it only acceptable if they are on two different pages? I've always thought separate soundtrack articles weren't really necessary unless there was a significant amount of information to warrant one. In its place, should I then insert another infobox and add the different looking cover for the score? If there was a separate article, I would agree with you in removing the image, but since there isn't I just want to see if there were any other reasons for the removal of the image. I know that we are currently going over the use of film screenshots, but I think the CD covers may be different. Thanks and let me know if you need further clarification on my questions. --Nehrams2020 (talk) 01:28, 7 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Don't worry, nobody's reverted you yet. I still think that it is similar to a movie poster that placed in an infobox represents the article, while the cover in the soundtrack infobox represents the information concerning the soundtrack. I don't think I have/ever will see an article that discusses a soundtrack cover. The image encompasses the soundtrack information present (which is currently brief, but will be expanded further as more sources become available). By the way, I just added a free image to the article as well I just uploaded to Wikimedia Commons. --Nehrams2020 (talk) 06:13, 7 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I just started a subsection discussion off of the screenshot discussion if you'd like to chime in further . I'm not upset, but just want further clarification/consensus so that we can build it into the image guidelines for our MOS. Thanks for you help. --Nehrams2020 (talk) 06:32, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

TWoP
The only reason I mentioned TWoP is that you said there was no reception to be found. I could of used this as an example instead and perhaps avoided much debate. If you wish to discuss the merits of TWoP however I will. I agree it is by no means the most professional site, however I do not agree that it is useless. The grading system whilst poor in justifications can be used in context to show how an episode stands up within a season, though I am not saying that you should create every episode and add in a reception section solely based on TWoP. Also I feel that emphasising your judgement using the Wikipedia article is also not a good argument, as the particular article is poorly referenced in the section about shows and recaps and the three alluding to its poor professionalism are not reliable. I also don't really see how judgement can be passed based on the names of reviewers, as just like here they are probably entitled to there WP:Anonymity. In no way do I feel that a couple of sources are reason to create a whole article on each episode, I was just pointing out that I found these quickly and that if you maybe dug deeper there maybe things to find. For example, overall season reviews often mention highlights from the season which allude to particular episodes, and there also other non-google resources to consider that contain a wider range of information, e.g. Nexis, Archives, Allbusiness etc. Rambo's Revenge (talk)  13:29, 7 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Having taken on your comments and re-reading WikiProject Television/Style guidelines & Television episodes I am coming round to a view that each episode may not warrant its own article. However if this is the case I feel there should be a place for ratings/viewing figures of individual episodes. e.g. I have found articles like page 3 gives ratings for the first three episodes - (6.2/ 9), (5.9/ 9), (5.8/ 8), Page 2 gives ratings for the fourth (5.9/ 9) etc. These ratings are by no means easy to find but they are there usually on Wednesday or Thursdays Programming Insider articles and if individual episode articles aren't going to exist these ratings warrant inclusion somewhere else within the season page/topic. As for DVD's I would still favour its inclusion in the season 1 article and Pilot (Smallville) should surely mention that it had it's own DVD release (combined with episode 2) as a kind of movie..
 * (a.b, c.d) is the standard way Neilsen reports ratings. The first number is the percentage of households tunes in, and the second is the percentage of televisions turned on watching. The other ratings are there I just couldn't be bothered to find them the fifth is (5.1/ 7) - page 3, and sixth is (5.5/ 8) - page 2 etc. The DVD section in pilot is now good. I would still be tempted to put in a DVD release section in the season 1 article like this but it is "up to editor preference". Rambo's Revenge (talk)  16:30, 7 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Ok I should be able to help. I've found a way to get viewer numbers but I'm not sure of how it stands up to other wikipedians. A same source page 8 backs up the 8.4 million viewers, (and includes some more records/viewing figures) You can use rating points to work out viewer numbers. So as a rating of 6.2 is 8.4 million viewers. That means one rating point is approx. 1.35 million viewers. So the second ep (5.9) had ~8.0m, the third (5.8) ~ 7.9m, the fourth ~8.0m, the fifth (5.1) ~6.9m, the sixth (5.5) ~7.5m etc. Should we risk using those or just include ratings which can be directly verified? Rambo's Revenge (talk)  17:10, 7 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Whilst your example is not actually correct as the number of household televisions is re-evaluated each season - "Don’t forget that a HH ratings point today means a lot more households than it did in the past." However I agree that is probably not best to start manipulating numbers and just to report the facts. Rambo's Revenge (talk)  17:32, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

Hi there.
Noticed you were a contributor on a few of the articles I frequent. Figured I'd stop by, say hi, and offer you a great big dose of GO GATORS in preparation for your upcoming year of misery as the second best school in Florida. :P Jaguitar (talk) 15:47, 7 August 2008 (UTC)


 * I frequent the Smallville sections, as well as the Nightmare sections. Well, frequent may be a stong term, but I pop on them from time to time when trying to remember certain things here and there. Anywho. You guys going to the Swamp this year, or are the Gators laying further claim to Zook field? I don't know meself, since I've been stuck in Hawaii for the past five years - the only gator game I'll get this year is UH at UF on the 30th of this month. Occassionally, CBS will show an SEC game, but everything on the tube over here is west coast garbage. USC, San Diego, etc. I haven't seen a Jaguar game, save the playoff games, in almost three years. Not easy to belong to the SEC over here in WAC territory. Jaguitar (talk) 06:08, 8 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Well, lemme know if you want any help with the Nightmare pages. Kreuger's been haunting me since the early 80s. Besides, my wife likes to tell me that i look like Robert Englund - I don't see it meself. Jaguitar (talk) 14:25, 8 August 2008 (UTC)


 * I'll have to dig through my novels and comics to see if I can find my Nightmare publications then. No better source than the original media. While I have our attention, mind showing me how to spruce up my signature like yours? I like it better than the plain text version I have.Jaguitar (talk) 15:17, 8 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Never mind, I think i managed to swipe your code without assistance.   JAGUITAR    (Contact me)  15:21, 8 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Take a look at my first article, would you? I need opinions. You can find it here. Also, take a peek at my userpage. I finally finished getting it to look how I wanted. Think it's too much?   JAGUITAR    (Contact me)  07:05, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

well,
The minute you looked away but I handled it I hope. ThuranX (talk) 22:14, 8 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Well, I meant the plot creep. But I'm getting tired of this, I think we need to ask for page protection. I already got Riddler, Catwoman and the Film Series article semi'd for a week to stop the rumor mongers, but I think that it needs to expand to Two-Face, Joker, Batman Begins and The dark Knight. I can't put in the application now, however. cna you handle that? I'm late for something important as is. ThuranX (talk) 22:32, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

Smallville
Hey, I finally picked up the season 1 and 2 boxsets today. I didn't plan to, but they were half price in the bargain bin - £14.99 each, so I couldn't resist. Then the guy at the checkouts got mixed up and undercharged me by halfing them again, so I got them both for £14.99. Pretty good deal. Anyway, expect to hear my scathing review sometime soon. :P Any eps I should look forward to?  Paul    730  16:43, 18 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I should have totally stocked up, they were all on offer (guess ol' Smallville aint selling so well), but I didn't want to buy more than two seasons of a show I'm not sure I like or not. I doubt they'll be there next time, it was a clearance sale and the vultures were getting well stuck in.     Paul    730  16:58, 18 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I just watched the pilot... meh, it was okay. Some really clumsy dialogue and expositional moments, but it's the pilot so that's fair.  I already hate Lana.  But Clark's dad is hot so I guess it balances out.  (I have seen the show before, but this is the first time I've really known what's been going on).  Everyone so nice in it, I wanted a Cordelia to come in and bitch things up a bit. :P    Paul    730  20:03, 18 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Lana's parents death made me laugh, they just stood staring at this meteor that was about to kill them. The least they could have done was look mildly alarmed.  The whole meteor shower was pretty epic actually, I was impressed.  I wanted to see more from the electric guy, electric powers are always cool but he didn't really amount to much.  He felt like he was just there as an obligatory villain rather than having any connection to the story.  I think Chloe is my favourite character so far, she seems to have the most personality.     Paul    730  20:15, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

This reveals season eight starts on September 18. Alientraveller (talk) 16:17, 20 July 2008 (UTC)


 * I didn't mean to include Superman as "the character" but rather the Superman franchise of which Smallville is a part of, whether he wears tights or not. It's your call, though.  Btw, I watched "Hourglass" today and I wasn't too impressed, considering it's one of your favourite episodes.  I liked Martha but it dragged a bit, I felt.  I want to see more of Chloe and Pete, they've been so underused.  Do they have any centric episodes in seasons 1 or 2?     Paul    730  22:33, 20 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I know what you mean. There's episodes of Buffy and Doctor Who that I only like for a single scene alone - usually the epilogue - rather than the full episode.  Like Buffy and Giles' dialogue at the end of "Lie to Me" and Rose mourning planet Earth at the end of "The End of the World".  Poignant moments in otherwise unremarkable episodes.     Paul    730  13:47, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I've watched up to "Hug", which I happened to really enjoy. It was a nice change of pace from the high school Clana melodrama. I'm starting to like Lex even though I don't really get him.  I still hate Lana, she's so self-absorbed and annoyingly perfect, how can you stand her?  She's like the Mary Sue love interest they'd have to distract Clark from his real love Chloe, except I know in advance that's how it happens.  Chloe reminds me of Willow, although she's obviously not in the same league because she's not Alyson Hannigan. :P     Paul    730  18:07, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
 * She's normal because she's a stupid self-absorbed bitch who lives in denial? ;) Nah, I'll stick with Chloe, thankyouverymuch. I can't criticise Mack at all, but I've always considered Alyson Hannigan to be an exceptional actress.  There's no one quite like her, casting her as Willow was like striking gold.     Paul    730  20:30, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
 * It was the way you said she just continues living as normal despite the strange things going on. Chloe find that strange, wants to investigate, but Lana's too busy complaining about her dead parents to even notice.  She keeps getting attacked by Kryptonite freaks and she barely acknowledges it.  The Buffy characters brush that stuff off because they're cynical and cool, but Lana just seems to be in a daydream or something.  That's just my impression half way through the first season though, maybe she wises up.  I find her self-absorbed because every conversation she has seem to be about her dead parents or her own emotions.  I just feel like "get over yourself".  The Hannigan/Mack comparison just stemmed from our usual Buffy/Smallville rivalry and the fact the two characters are vaguely similar.     Paul    730  20:51, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

It feels like she's always talking about her parents. I guess I'm just giving her a hard time because I don't like her, she's such a wet blanket. Such a damsel in distress, and not just in a literal "Help, this mutant is trying to kill me" kind of way. She's nothing like Cordelia except for social status. Cordelia, nasty or not, was always a strong character. When vampires tried to bite her, she bit them back and yelled "See how you like it!" That's a character I'm interested in watching, not some drippy "nice" girl. I haven't seen much stength in Lana so far (except maybe tricking the principal into giving the paper back to Chloe, but even then...)    Paul    730  21:08, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Fair enough. Some of my most hated characters have managed to redeem themselves (yes, even Connor, he's not that bad anymore).  Oh, and Zythe isn't going to like that Veronica Mars crack, he loves that show.  I've never seen it.  Btw, Re-Animator is showing on TV next week.  Is it worth staying up for?     Paul    730  22:51, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Like I said, I can't comment. Joss Whedon likes it, which indicates quality.  Yeah, it's the first Re-Animator.  I know basically nothing about it, except that it's some cult zombie film.  Oh, and Ash has fought him or something.  Is there anyone Ash hasn't fought?  He's fighting Xena at the moment, I think?  He's such a crossover whore.     Paul    730  23:00, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
 * T4 is out soon, just give him time.    Paul    730  23:02, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I've seen that image before, it's pretty cool. How awesome is Faith's knife?     Paul    730  05:08, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

Lol, was that a call for back-up? :P Sorry to leave you debating alone, but it's hard coming up with new arguments when you're basically just repeating yourself to someone who won't listen. Maybe we should ask others to offer their opinion? Like on the WAF talk page or something? This is starting to feel like the Angel episode debate again; fanboyism ruling over encylopedic writing and us spitting into the wind.

On a happier note, I watched "Nicodemus" today and was impressed. It was cool seeing the characters' true colours coming out, how they really felt underneath. I loved Evil Lana's line "For once I'm not scared of life, and no one can handle it because you all prefer the insecure little girl. Well, I'm sick of her and all her talk about her dead parents." Couldn't have said it better myself, love. Evil Lana was pretty cool actually, I'd rather watch her than the normal version. Although her strip tease was just creepy, she's 14/15 for goodness sake.  Paul    730  18:06, 24 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I think the driving age is 17 over here, I'm not sure. The age thing in Smallville is pretty funny, they're rather stubly and muscular for fourteen year olds.  Take it with a generous pinch of salt, I say.  Yeah, I'm getting through those episodes, all my friends are on holiday so when I'm not working I'm sat at home.  Didn't you watch all of Heroes season 1 in a weekend?  I hate Heroes now, I've went right off it.
 * Another point of interest about Smallville - Lex. I didn't think I'd like him because I thought a friendship between him and Clark would be very forced, but he's quite a tragic character.  He reminds me of Faith in the prequel novel Go Ask Malice; she's much more innocent (well, for Faith) in that story, but it's sad reading it because you already know she's destined for evil.  Lex is quite kind hearted in Smallville season one and it's sad to know in advance how he ends up.     Paul    730  20:26, 24 July 2008 (UTC)


 * I gave up on Heroes during season two, it was just so boring I wasn't willing to waste an hour of my life watching it. Even put me off watching the first season again.  The part that made me pity Lex was in "Jitters"; following the hostage situation, Clark is comforted by his relieved parents while Lex is exploited in front of the cameras by Lionel (who looks like he needs a bath btw).  That's the difference between the two characters.
 * How you think Smallville will end without Lex and Lana? I don't see how Lex can't be in the final episode, that would just ruin the whole show.  Is he still going to guest star Giles-style?  I just found out the actress who plays Martha in Doctor Who may have been fired, which pisses me off because the character doesn't have closure.     Paul    730  14:12, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

It seems like losing at Lex at this stage damages the momentum they've spent seven years building towards the "Superman" era. I hope they manange to pulls things off though. How would you describe the level of quality across Smallville? Like, I think Buffy improved each year through seasons one to three, suffered some identity problems in four, reached it's peak in season five, then dipped slightly in six and seven (every season is special in it's own way though). I'm not sure a two-hour finale is all that necessary. People claim the Buffy finale was rushed but I think that's unfair because the last quarter of the season was spent building up to the last episode, they feel like one big episode when watched consecutively. Don't expect every loose end to be tied up though; you'll only be disappointed. Buffy and Giles never really reconciled on the show (which actually made for more drama in the comic so it's all good). The Doctor Who finale (well, the finale to Davies' run on the show) also had a couple of loose ends relationship-wise which I doubt will be resolved. So long as it's a good story that stays true to the show's original concept, that's the important part.  Paul    730  15:16, 25 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Fair enough, if his Smallville arc is over, he might have been better off leaving. I was asking about the quality because I see Smallville treated with such contempt by comic book fans on Newsarama and other sites.  I wasn't sure if there was any truth to it or if they were just spreading their usual poison.  What was wrong with season seven?  I think that looks like the most interesting season.  Clark looks more like Superman, Supergirl, Bizarro, Lionel dies... what's not to love?
 * I hope they make a Smallville reunion movie a few years down the line. It's what all the cool kids are doing and it would better than Singer's attempts to dredge up the past. There's talks of a Buffy movie, which I hope doesn't get made.  Joss has said he would be willing to overwrite the comics with a movie if he could, which I find disgusting.  I'm not prepared to throw away a whole season of brilliance just for something live-action.     Paul    730  07:52, 26 July 2008 (UTC)


 * I'm not a fanboy! I'm susceptible to fanboyism behaviour sometimes but I certainly don't identify as one.  Fanboys annoy me for many reasons I won't list because I'll get ranty.  When it comes to Buffy, I let Whedon tell his story the way he wants to because he's a far more talented writer than I am.  I can say "wouldn't this be cool..." but at the end of the day it's his universe and he knows how to handle it.  As for his movie overwriting the comics, his exact words were he would try to make it fit, but if he couldn't he "wouldn't lose a lot of sleep" losing the comics if it meant working with the actors again.  Perhaps a hyperbole?  I hope so.  Since Season 8 is leading into Fray, I think he does respect continuity, he just won't be a slave to it.
 * Aaron Ashmore isn't bad looking. I've not seen him as Jimmy, but his twin was kinda cute as Iceman.  Sometimes geeks are hot, I'd take David Tennant over Tom Welling any day.
 * I've watched up to "Heat". Which I thought was funny how they used heat vision as an awkward metaphor for wanking. :P  "Tempest" was really good, far more exciting than any Superman movie, although I'm not sure I like how they broke it up between seasons?  That made for a weird three month jump between season two's first and second episode?  Also, I was in town today and bought seasons three and four.  I'm enjoying the show - not loving it - but certainly enjoying it.     Paul    730  18:26, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

Break

 * Welling is better looking in a clinical objective way but Tennant is more attractive. Tennant is a big sex symbol in Britain, I sure most people (at least over here) given the choice would choose him over Welling and his mop top.
 * "Heat" was a bit risque for ol' Smallville. I didn't think Clark knew what sex was, his idea of x-rated is taking a girl up to his barn to "watch the sunset". The Parents Television Council will be up in arms.    Paul    730  10:55, 27 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Relax, I'm kidding. I'm just making fun of the show's wholesomeness.  Clark has pre-marital sex!?  That's digusting, set Jason onto him!
 * Woo hoo, a Pete-centric episode at long last. I like Pete but he's such a peripheral character I always forget about him.  "Red" was cool, although it was funny how "evil" Clark was basically just a normal teenager in black clothes.     Paul    730  13:58, 27 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Seen this?   Paul    730  17:25, 27 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Isn't Doomsday a Kryptonian in the comics but a human in Smallville? I wonder if he'll be the "Big Bad" this season or just a recurring villian.
 * To be honest, I'm not crazy about any of those images. Not to be all demanding, but couldn't you catch a screenshot from your DVDs?     Paul    730  11:13, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I'd try to find a headshot of Clark (as opposed to a fully-body shot like Jason's) in his red-jacket-over-blue-shirt outfit (since I kind of got the impression from those other pics that you like that combo). Also, a brightly-lit environment (maybe outside the Kent farm) to show the character's optimism (as opposed to say, Batman, in his dark world).  For example, look at Image:S101 Angel.png, that picture was chosen because it shows Angel all conflicted and broody in dark room, which is in character.  I dunno, it's up to you, you know Clark better than I do. :P    Paul    730  12:35, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Seen this new F13 publicity still?    Paul    730  20:22, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

Charmed lasted a whole season longer than Buffy, but no one could ever say that meant it was a better show! :P ~<b style="color:purple;">Zythe</b>Talk to me! 11:57, 30 July 2008 (UTC)
 * All the S. Deknights, Goddards, K. Vaughans, Furys and Espensons are off doing big things in the television world. When I first started watching Veronica Mars, I instantly saw she essentially was Chloe outside the DC Universe. But it didn't matter, because as some great people have said, it is one of the best TV shows ever made, in terms of quality.~<b style="color:purple;">Zythe</b>Talk to me! 12:10, 30 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Charmed is hardly more popular than Buffy because it lasted a year longer; Buffy ended when it did because SMG decided to leave, not because the networks thought "fuck this show, it's not as popular anymore". Looking at it from a purely business side, Buffy is far more franchise-y in nature than Charmed with all it's spin-offs and merchandise.  Even without taking quality into consideration, I think Buffy is much more popular than Charmed.
 * Btw, I saw Dark Knight today and was thoroughly impressed. Ledger's isn't overrated at all like I thought it would be, he's actually adorable as the Joker.  I'm glad I didn't see Two-Face's disfigurement before seeing it because that did pack a punch when it was revealed.  Also, I loved the criminal-with-a-heart-of-gold on the boat who threw the detonator out the window.  Aw, gotta love those unsung heroes.     Paul    730  20:21, 30 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Hmm, an observation you knew would rub me the wrong way. :P
 * I also bought that Batman: Gotham Knight DVD out of curiosity as well as that Superman Allstar book you were "WTH??"-ing the other week. Allstar exists in it's own little continuity and it's rather bizarre - Grant Morrison is an eccentric writer.  You should get it though, Frank Quitely's artwork is gorgeous and it's a really critically acclaimed Superman series.  Urgh, I've been buying far too much DC shit lately for my liking. ;)    Paul    730  22:06, 30 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Never! I'm a Marvel fan through and through!  Although I do want to get Superman for All Seasons.  Have you read it?     Paul    730  22:46, 30 July 2008 (UTC)
 * My friend owns Batman: The Long Halloween and Batman: Dark Victory, which are done by Loeb and Sale and are supposedly some of the definitive Batman stories. I tried buying them today but my crappy comic book shop didn't have them as usual.  They've also done a bunch of Marvel mini series that I can't find anywhere.  Oh, it turns out All Star Superman has a Wikipedia page I couldn't find cos I was spelling it wrong.  Do you think you'd get that?     Paul    730  22:58, 30 July 2008 (UTC)
 * :P   Paul    730  07:28, 1 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Lol, the poll is kind of biased because Whedonesque and SlayAlive were attracting Buffy fans to come and vote (that's how I found it in the first place). Although, hey, if her fans are loyal enough to do that, then that only proves how cool she is. :P In terms of a fight, yes, Buffy would get her ass handed to her by Superman.  She could probably beat him eventually with a little planning/help from the Scoobies, it's not the first time she's defeated gods/opnipotent forces, but in a straight up one-on-one fight he would destroy her.  Although, as one of the commenters said, Buffy defeated Dracula pretty easily because she "watched [his] movies", so she'd probably be able to use her pop culture knowledge against Supes as well.  Superman vs. Willow would be a far more balanced and interesting fight, she could give him a run for his money, I think.  In terms of who's a better character, I'd rate Superman higher purely for his massive cultural impact, but personally I find Buffy much more layered and interesting to watch/read about.  As for the killing... that's kind of a weird area.  Originally, vampires were purely evil creatures with no human qualities, so it was okay for Buffy to kill them because they were just monsters.  But then Spike and Lorne and Clem came along and kind of humanized demons, and Buffy's actions began to look more like genocide (although she doesn't ever kill humans except in self defense).  It's something that might be getting explored in the future actually; in Season 8, demons and Slayers are getting exposed to the general public, and the forums are speculating that people will embrace vamps as a new species and condemn the murderous Slayers.  Should be pretty interesting if they go down that route.     Paul    730  14:05, 1 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Lol, just imagining all of Superman's fans as a bunch of geriatrics in an old folks home. In "Tough Love", Willow used a spell on Glory (who has super speed much like Superman) which made the air around her thick like tar, nullifying her speed to the point where she could barely move.  So Superman's speed really wouldn't be much use against Ms. Rosenberg.  In most of the krypto-freak battles, there's usually some conveniently-placed Kryptonite lying around to make Clark vulnerable (usually Lana's bloody necklace, which rivals the sonic screwdriver when it comes to overused plot devices).  Sometimes it gets a bit annoying when characters are so powerful they can do anything.  I heard that's the reason Marvel writers don't like Doctor Strange, because it's too hard to put him in situations he can't immediately solve. I certainly wouldn't have guessed Clark is super smart from Smallville.
 * Heroes is just too slow. Too much talk about saving the world and not enough actually doing it.  The first season was interesting at the time, but I don't really feel like watching it again now that I know what happens.  Season 2 made me realise that I don't really care about any of the characters.  Lol, you and your "tingles".  Look, we all know about your big man-crush on Tom Welling, you can stop pretending that your tingles have anything to do with the writing.     Paul    730  17:01, 1 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I think All Star Superman is based on the Silver Age version of the character. He's pretty God-like in that, the opening issue has him flying into the Sun.  I'm not usually a fan of cosmic superheroes, but I'll let Superman off since he's pretty grounded on planet Earth (as opposed to Silver Surfer or someone like that).  The speed at which they solve clues in Smallville amuses me, they figure it out way too quickly, it's like "the episode's only 40 minutes long, we have to get this expostion out of the way so Clark can go kick their ass!"  Like that scene in Freddy vs. Jason where they sit around the table and explain the ludicrous storyline as if anybody would actually jump to those conclusions in real life.  Ah, well. :)
 * That "it went rather interestingly" comment can be read so many ways I'm not even going to go near it. How's your internship going, you enjoying it?     Paul    730  17:26, 1 August 2008 (UTC)
 * The season-spanning arc in the first season of Heroes was great, but the second season takes the piss. Even though it's fewer episodes, the story move at such snail's pace that it becomes mind-numbing.  The Hiro-in-Japan story is truly painful.  Maybe it won't be as bad for you watching it continuously on DVD.  I like Smallville, but I don't think I'd have the patience for it on a week-to-week basis.  Aw, it's nice that you want to go back to your internship, did you become quite close to the people you were working with?     Paul    730  17:50, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

Break 2
I just watched "Rosetta" and really liked it. It's the first time Smallville has felt like part of the Superman mythos rather than just some teen sci fi show. Very effective use of the original music, I'm not a big fan of the Superman movies but they've got a great score.  Paul    730  03:16, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
 * The season two finale was pretty cool. I love season finales, the way they just completely destroy the main character's personal life.  Still getting used to the slightly more mature Clark in season three though.  Why so serious?  (Urgh, now I'm quoting DC characters, this has GOT to stop.)     Paul    730  01:55, 4 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I've finished the first disc, just watched the episode with the girl from Freddy vs. Jason who's in a coma. Lol, the Clana shit is getting tired.  It's like "you're sixteen, just get off already!!"  Although Lana herself is significantly less anoying since she became a full-blown ninja after one self-defense class with Lex.  I liked the scene where she and Martha worked together to impale that guy.     Paul    730  02:02, 4 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I remembered the karate pamphlet but I still thought it was funny how she became an amazing fighter overnight. I suspect the actress had something to do with that; "Hey writers, stop making me such a useless bitch!" ;) Btw, how cool is this video?  It's a leaked promo for the Buffy animated series which never happened.  I love the animation, it's very 90s superhero cartoon.  It's a shame they never made the series but I'm grateful for seeing this clip at least.     Paul    730  02:17, 4 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Lol, that isn't SMG, it's Giselle Loren, who plays Buffy in the video games (and, I think, is rather good). The others were all voiced by the actors from the live action show.  The series wasn't made because no studios were interested in it.  Go figure.  I think it might have something to do with a teenage girl stabbing people in the heart, perhaps not Saturday morning material?  They're doing an issue of Season Eight in the animation style of it; check out the cover.     Paul    730  02:38, 4 August 2008 (UTC)
 * You need your ears checked out, they sounded exactly like Brendon and Head. :P The promo was probably cobbled together (although I do like the animation like I said) so maybe that's why it sounded funny? Have you seen Batman: Gotham Knight?  I found it pretty boring to be honest, I wouldn't recommend it.  The animation was really flat and the stories were forgettable.     Paul    730  02:56, 4 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Meh, I wouldn't bother. I kind of have buyer's remorse over it because it was just pointless.  Borrow it off a friend, maybe.  I'm not sure whether to get Diary of the Dead, zombie films are so hit and miss.  I picked up the Night of the Living Dead remake the other day, that's my favourite zombie movie.     Paul    730  03:05, 4 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Ahem. Have you seen Diary?  Apparently it's the worst of the Dead series?  I've not even seen Land.     Paul    730  03:20, 4 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I was going by RT. My boss (who's a big film buff) told me he felt the political subtext in Land felt forced because the idea that there could still be a rich/poor issue in a world overrun with zombies - that money would have any meaning anymore - was silly.  I was put off Land because I didn't like the idea of a zombie-world, I prefer something like Night where the zombie apocalypse is just starting.     Paul    730  03:48, 4 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I can't really comment since I've not seen the film, but it's interesting to hear different viewpoints. Gives me something to think about during the film whenever I do see it.  I have seen the first three Dead films so I know how the infection spreads, I'm just not keen on the nihilism of Land.  I liked the chaos of the first two films, but Day was kind of depressing and Land seems like that x10.  I didn't like 28 Weeks Later either, although I love the first one.     Paul    730  04:28, 4 August 2008 (UTC)
 * The reason I was holding off commenting on that nomination is because I wasn't sure there were enough articles to justify an entire topic (not saying you should make more, just that a topic for all seasons might be better). However, WP:FT? says three articles are fine, so who am I to argue?
 * I haven't seen the Return of the Living Dead films but I hear the first one is good? It has Tommy Jarvis in it, always a good thing.     Paul    730  08:39, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Would season 1 cease to be featured, or would it become a featured topic within a featured topic? Why are the Return films stupid, I don't know much about them?  Is it slapstick wackiness like Evil Dead 2?  Speaking of which, I was on the website of the guy who did the animation for that Buffy cartoon and found this funny picture for a non-existent Buffy/Army of Darkness crossover.  I would totally buy that series if it was ever made, you know, in a non-canon sort of way.  It would be fun to see Buffy butt heads with Ash and his chauvinistic ways.     Paul    730  20:21, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Lol, it actually does look pretty funny. If I see it cheap I might buy it.  I'm holding off buying Texas Chainsaw 2 because it's £7 and I'm a stingy bastard.  Not sure I want to spend £7 on a sequel to a movie I didn't like; I've seen a clip of Choptop, he's pretty weird, huh?     Paul    730  04:50, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
 * The clip I saw was just before the one you linked (where she gives him a "tour". I'll watch the rest of those videos later tonight, I'm kind of getting ready for work ATM).  He's pretty freaky, I was kind of nervous watching it because I wasn't sure what he was going to do.  Does he basically steal Leatherfaces' thunder, yeah?     Paul    730  05:18, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

Break 3
Congrats on getting your FT. :) I'm just settling down to watch the last few episodes of Smallville season 3. I liked "Obsession", bunny boilers are always good for a laugh.  I do miss the ol' freak-of-the-week episodes.  It was cool seeing Eric Summers and John from Desperate Housewives and that other guy again.  I haven't found Lex very interesting lately though.     Paul    730  00:10, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I liked the episode, but I didn't really love Lex's "crazy" storyline this season. I get the impression it's quite important in the shaping of his character, though?  Isn't "adult" Lex a bit crazy so maybe the island had a big part in that?  Lex is totally gay for Clark btw, every chance he gets he's touching and hugging him and going on about their friendship.  The slash fanfic writers must have had a field day with those two.    Paul    730  01:13, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I know it's really about Lex seeking family (that scene, can't remember what episode, where he basically asks the Kents to consider him family... poor guy) but still... he likes his touchy feely doesn't he? :P I always thought the way he kept reiterating his and Clark's friendship was a sign of insecurity, like he was trying to convince himself he had a real friend.    Paul    730  01:38, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

Cast sections
Let's centralize discussion at WT:MOSFILM. It seems appropriate to do so since the style guidelines are undergoing quite a few changes. — Erik (talk • contrib) - 13:18, 4 August 2008 (UTC)


 * To respond to your argument, I do not think that cast sections are mostly useless. It's a listing of the actors and their roles apart from the film's story.  Yes, it can be abused to add extraneous detail and character interpretation, but on the other hand, without the cast sections, we compel the reader to plunge into the plot sections to identify who's who.  My thinking for a possible revision is to propose various options.  For example, #1 is the cast section with real-world context behind each bullet point, #2 is a casting section within the production section, #3 is a basic cast section if is preferred to group the actors and roles together.  BTW, I've brought the non-free images draft to the attention of WT:NFC, so we're creeping closer to implementing the criteria.  I really wish more people were involved; heck, it was in the last newsletter.  We'll see where it goes from here. — Erik  (talk • contrib) - 15:24, 4 August 2008 (UTC)


 * I agree that IMDb can take care of the brunt of cast and crew information, but such a list can also help with navigational purposes. Readers can follow the links to see the background of a particular actor, or readers can come to a film article from the actor's article to see what the actor's role was.  Of course I would advocate #1 and #2, but I think we need to remember that there are a lot of stubs out there that may not even have fleshed out plot sections (or ones that are too fleshed out).  I don't think the basic cast list should be dismissed for these articles, but we should recommend a transition from that list to more detail.  I'll take a closer look at the cast/crew subsection to see about clarification... do you have any opinion about any of the section? — Erik  (talk • contrib) - 16:11, 4 August 2008 (UTC)


 * I just did some brainstorming at User:Erik/Sandbox about future changes. Thoughts?  Regarding the series issue, I don't know... opinions seem pretty all over the place considering all the issues in continuity both in-universe and out-of-universe.  I don't know if there is anything concrete to be hammered out. — Erik  (talk • contrib) - 16:34, 4 August 2008 (UTC)


 * I supported the FT. I really don't see much talk about FTs in general anywhere, so no wonder there's not too much attention.  I've thought of doing a FT myself... best chance seems to be Neil Marshall and his films.  I just nominated Doomsday as a Good Article, and I'll probably improve Dog Soldiers and The Descent down the road.  There's just not a lot of biographical information about the director, so I don't know where I can go from the current revision. — Erik  (talk • contrib) - 19:44, 4 August 2008 (UTC)


 * I haven't looked too closely. I've been all over the board with my activities, though revising MOS:FILM is probably at the forefront of it all.  I only nominated Doomsday recently 'cause the DVD had a captioned commentary and captioned featurettes.  In addition, I was able to get screenshots off my laptop (which was a little tricky).  Perhaps we can collaborate on the articles for Marshall's films sometime.  I just need to exercise some serious Google-fu (typing site:independent.co.uk "the descent" "neil marshall" and so forth.  Let me poke around my subscription-only databases for anything about these Smallville episodes. — Erik  (talk • contrib) - 19:58, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

← Congratulations on your impending graduation! I'm headed into graduate school myself; trying to make sure I transit into it OK. I really have no idea how busy I will be. For the FT, we could do The Descent. I think that anything we come across for this may refer back to Dog Soldiers (calling it a cult classic or reviewing that film's production), where the opposite would not be true. By the way, here's a brief bit about "Exodus" from the Chicago Tribune: "'There's a lot going on,' she says. 'You've got Clark (Tom Welling) dealing with his father (John Schneider) and his destiny and trying to overcome it. He's trying to continue to be the person he believes himself to be. 'So he's got that whole struggle and this huge emotional roller coaster he's on. Then you've got Lex (Michael Rosenbaum) and Helen (Emmanuel Vaugier) and their wedding and their problems.' (...) 'Lana and Clark are dealing with their issues too,' laughs the 20-year-old Kreuk. 'She's watching him fall apart, and that's really difficult for her because he never tells [her] what's going on. Their romantic relationship moves forward, but really, there are many issues involved with that.'" For "Justice", I found this and this. Nothing for "Reckoning". — Erik (talk • contrib) - 20:17, 4 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Apparently I already dug up some resources for The Descent; see its talk page. Kind of forgot about that. :)  I'll have Access World News on hand, and I can try to dig up some UK articles via Google. — Erik  (talk • contrib) - 02:17, 5 August 2008 (UTC)


 * FYI, I've been revising The Descent today, using Access World News. Feel free to review my changes.  Let's have discussion at Talk:The Descent to centralize any issues for the eyes of any passing editors. — Erik  (talk • contrib) - 19:15, 7 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the heads-up. I'll see what I can dig up.  I finished my internship last Friday, and I drove in the course of two days to get home tonight.  I am pretty much dead... haha. — Erik  (talk • contrib) - 04:09, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

I'm back!!
Hi Bignole. I just got home from vacationing in beautiful southern Maine with my my family. It was great! How are things going with you? Did you watch the Opening Ceremonies for the Olympics in Beijing? I did, and was in complete awe. It was the best opening ceremony for the Olympics I've ever seen! I was so amazed as how all those performers were able to memorize every move. One mistake, and it could ruin the whole show. It was so cool! -- ♥Soccer5525♥  Talk To Me!


 * Good for you! What college do you go to? -- ♥Soccer5525♥  Talk To Me! 12:47, 10 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Are you from Florida? -- ♥Soccer5525♥  Talk To Me! 12:52, 10 August 2008 (UTC)


 * There's something wrong with my talk page that I need you to fix. The background and border eventually end, when it's supposed to go down the whole page. Can you help? -- ♥Soccer5525♥  Talk To Me!

I was able to fix it by deleting old and unimportant messages from the page. But thanks for trying though. Hope all is well. -- ♥Soccer5525♥  Talk To Me! 22:52, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

I think spoiler warnings are necessary
Wikipedia ruined the movie Scarface for me :-( —Preceding unsigned comment added by InuYoshi (talk • contribs) 17:41, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

List of Games for Windows titles ‎
The source of Flatout is in boxart and in their official website and in GTA 4 see it in their homepage. Also please do not remove the entries just add citation tag near to the game entry. --SkyWalker (talk) 15:32, 14 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Crysis: Warhead boxart was a promotional boxart. When the game was first announced the community manager said that there is live in crysis. It is not my fault if people keep on adding it. Go check their homepage that is the source. --SkyWalker (talk) 15:48, 14 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Very strange policy the wikipedia. How come Images or Videos can't be a source only written. Anyways here is your written source. If that is not reliable enough then i can't do anything. Also i have the rules thing many times. --SkyWalker (talk) 16:01, 14 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Yup i will add it. I could not find GTA 4 source the game was just announced. Here is where Crysis: Warhead was first announced. --SkyWalker (talk) 16:21, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

Hey.
Hello, just wanted to say you've done a great job with the Rob Zombie Halloween page. I know that may be very long overdue, but I have it on my Watchlist still, and it has been vandalized a lot lately and you just keep putting it back correctly, good job. Ha ha. The main reason I'm contacting you is because a while back you, myself and an anon had a minor discussion here. I hadn't thought about it at the time, but I have two quandaries. The first, wouldn't the new Halloween be considered a reboot as opposed to remake? Especially seeing as the specific point it makes about remakes and prequels in the reboot article. (Of course, I could be mistaken.) The other thing is, would it still be possible to start that discussion about reimagining/remake. Because as I think about it more and more the term wether used or not (by the industry) seems to be occurring more and more. Such examples could include the new "Friday the 13th" film (although they do not specifically use the term), a possible new "Nightmare on Elm Street" film, the new Halloween, the new Planet of the Apes film, and the several others listed in the section of "reimagining" at the remake article. Just some questions and thoughts. --HELLØ   ŦHERE 20:24, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

Texas Chainsaw 2
I had a wee DVD splurge today and thought "what the hell, I'll give it a shot". Well, it turns out I did like it, although there were several moments during it where I was just like "oh my god". Seriously, that film is some fucked up shit. Far more so than the original or the remake (which were pretty fucked up themselves). The scene where Leatherface was poking Stretch with the chainsaw and licking his lips really freaked me out. Although I thought their relationship was funny, especially the "Leatherface can't get it up" moment and their "break up". I really like Stretch, it made me kind of sad to see her ripped apart so much but I guess that's what happens. She was a lot more proactive and feisty than Sally. Chop Top was funny but I don't think he lived up to his brilliant introduction. The middle act in the radio station was the best part of the film IMO. Drayton was just annoying as usual, as was the largely useless Lefty.  Paul    730  03:24, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Lol, yes it was worth the £7. :P That's me, last of the big spenders (I actually bought several DVDs, and got The Full Monty for only £4, so that kind of balanced everything else out... insane DVD logic). I'm glad the film was about Stetch and not Lefty... Lefty was too loud and full of shit, Stretch was amazing.  I kind of count Stretch as the TCM equivalent of Laurie, Nancy, and Tommy, I think she's up there with the best.  High praise coming from me.  I guess since Leatherface died, the subsequent films really aren't canon...  I mean, he's not immortal.  I don't think I'll check out the other films, I'm not really a TCM fan.  Although I liked the scene with Franklin's corpse, it was a nice homage to the first movie.     Paul    730  03:40, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I love Full Monty, such a feel-good film for some reason. I've not seen those films you listed.  I'm not a fan of the Rambo movies, I've seen the first one and some of the third(?) one but they just weren't my thing.  The other DVDs I bought today were Sarah Connor Chronicles (the main reason I went into town), Hocus Pocus (childhood favourite), and Last of the Mohicans (for my mum).  SCC is really good, I've already watched the first four episodes, it's very moreish.  Screw Christian Bale, this'll do me.     Paul    730  04:04, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I think everyone loved Hocus Pocus as a child. Have you seen Dr. Horrible's Sing-Along Blog btw?  It's an online movie by Joss Whedon, not sure if it's still up but it's really enjoyable.  I'd recommend that DVD when it comes out.     Paul    730  13:31, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Lol, yeah, he pretty much makes it. The whole cast is great.  Trailer.  It's very very low budget but the writing and acting more than make up for that.     Paul    730  13:45, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Lol, what's that supposed to mean!? It's not as cheesy as it looks actually, it's very Buffy in that it's cheesy and B-movie on the surface but has lots of depth and themes about humanity underneath.  It's a total cult classic already, all the Whedon fans have taken it into their heart.  Apparently they're making a sequel too. :)    Paul    730  14:09, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I respect Whedon as an artist but I don't idolise him the way many do, nor do I follow all his work (never seen Firefly). But you're totally right about Whedon fans paying money to see him crap.  Even his shopping list has a fan following.     Paul    730  19:59, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Meh. Saw Serenity and it didn't make me want to go out and see the TV series. I'm sure it's good, it just doesn't appeal to me.  Don't really like space stuff (Doctor Who doesn't count).     Paul    730  20:56, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Don't like Westerns either! :P Sorry to be a stick-in-the-mud but the whole "space-western" thing is just a bad combo for me.  Don't get me wrong, I enjoyed Serenity, I just didn't care about it very much.     Paul    730  21:11, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I think the Firefly boxset is pretty cheap now so you never know, maybe one day I'll give it a shot. I do like a bit of Nathan Fillion... he seems to be all over the place, doesn't he.     Paul    730  21:31, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

CoughUnbreakable?Cough. Steve T • C 18:55, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Why, it's undoubtedly a dramatic film that just happens to contain a superhero, rather than an out-and-out superhero film (whether it was successful at this is almost completely beside the point). Steve  T • C 21:02, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Actually, that makes no sense. I always use too many words in conversation when few will do. What I meant was, Unbreakable is an example of a superhero film that isn't a superhero action film. TDK could be classified as a superhero crime thriller action film, but unlike the others arguing the point, I'm happy to leave the detail for the article body. It seems as if some people want the entire article in the lead sometimes. Steve  T • C 21:09, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

Hey, an apology
I would like to apologise for my overly aggressive language at WT:FTC. As I said there, I'm a little stressed about that other discussion you're referring to, which is only taking place in the first place due to incivility on the part of another editor. I would like to encourage you to come back to WT:FTC, and if you have any more questions, I would be happy to answer them in a more courteous manner - rst20xx (talk) 20:53, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Okay, that sounds like a much more reasonable, well thought out opinion to me than what you expressed initially. However, I would disagree with it as I do not think asking such topics to wait 6 years before they can be featured is more sensible - I think it is less sensible. While I agree that the situation isn't perfect, as a peer review on a changing article isn't going to be valid for long, I think that this is the best system we can use to ensure that such topics are as complete as possible at all times, whilst still maintaining the quality of all the articles involved as best we can, but at the same time not putting excessive demands for multiple peer reviews on the maintainers of the status of the topic - rst20xx (talk) 21:32, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

The Crow
Hey Bignole, I saw the edit you just made to The Crow (film). I can see your reasoning, but would you object to me reverting to the way I had it? I have recently got the book in question and am hoping to expand and improve the article quite a bit. The book has 109 pages, so I think it will be necessary to have separate notations for each page, as I have seen done on other articles. What do you think? -- Beloved Freak  11:47, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Ok, I agree. the way you have it on Jason Voorhees looks good. I have been meaning to fix this up for ages, as it's such a magnet for trivia and fan stuff. The book I have is this one. Actually a lot of the pages are taken up with photos, but there's quite a lot of background stuff and interviews. I didn't know about the Collector Series one, that sounds good. Hopefully between us we can make it a lot better. I've just cut down the plot as it was far too long, but I'm not the best writer in the world so it might need work.
 * Ok, cool. I've not really collaborated too much before, you have a very impressive FA/GA record, so I would be honoured! I've started watching/listening to the commentary by Jeff Most & John Shirley too.-- Beloved Freak  12:38, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah I have started making notes on the commentary. I'm not going to have too much time this weekend, so if you wanted to get stuck into that, that'd be ok, otherwise I'll get more into it next week. The DVD extras look pretty much the same as mine, except I have Brandon Lee's last onsceen interview. From what I remember, there's probably not much article-worthy from that. I hope you can find some academic resources. I sadly don't have access to any at the moment.-- Beloved Freak  12:52, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

FAC (The Texas Chain Saw Massacre)
Hi Bignole, it's EclipseSSD. Just wondering if you were interested in help promote The Texas Chain Saw Massacre to FA-status. If you are, take a look at the FAC page on it and try and help out where possible. Give me a shout if you are interested. --EclipseSSD (talk) 16:51, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

TCM
Sorry if it appeared that it was personal. It wasn't. All I'm trying to say is that maybe somebody better than me should nominate the article for FA status, because I don't think it'd be a good idea if I just kept on and on, and me thinking I'm right about the article all the time. So, what I'm trying to say is that I'll keep working on the article, and then better judges than me will nominate the article when the article is of a high enough standard. One again, Sorry. --EclipseSSD (talk) 19:01, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

Batman Begins
I was reverting it back because you kept listing as one of your main reasons that he was deleting stuff, which he wasn't. I removed the OR, but the other changes the anon made improve the flow of the section. Ophois (talk) 02:37, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

A message from a fan + a new community to check out
Hey Bignole,

I'm working on a new web site, and wanted to share a first look with you. Our team is searching for some really smart, articulate, and real people to become active contributors as we kick this off. We’ve seen your contributions on on Wikipedia, and are particularly drawn to your tone and attention to detail. You have all the makings of a potential Lunch.com power user, so it would be priceless for us to have your take on how it’s shaping up.

If you're interested in finding out more, please let me know, or e-mail me at angelo AT lunch DOT com. Thanks!

-Angelo —Preceding unsigned comment added by Aignacio09 (talk • contribs) 01:15, 23 August 2008 (UTC)

Spider-Man (film series)
You should submit the asticle for wp:FAC. Nergaal (talk) 04:22, 23 August 2008 (UTC)

Superman
So, what's your opinion of rebooting the film series? I don't feel like sitting through a remake of Donner's film, but if it's like Casino Royale and Hulk where they just recap the backstory while telling its sequel, I won't mind. Alientraveller (talk) 22:11, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I'd like them to set up Luthor better as a corporate CEO who initially tries to befriend Superman, but turns evil in a sequel. I definitely don't want another origin story, so I'd love to see a movie like Burton's Batman that explores people's perception of the Man of Steel when he arrives. I'd love the surprise of Lois discovering who Clark Kent really is. Oh, and keep crystalline Krypton and Williams' theme, just like how the Bond franchise keeps (but twisted) its hallmarks.
 * Did you like Brandon Routh? A lot of people felt he was the best part about Returns, and I feel sorry that he wound up the George Lazenby of the series. Alientraveller (talk) 09:15, 23 August 2008 (UTC)

What the hell was that? Thanks for reverting. Alientraveller (talk) 08:13, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

Halloween
Hi! Good point on that one, I guess I was being too testy on my revies. :) My only compaint is that it's missing a section on casting. Which should be easy to add, unless it's somewhere in the production section like some other film pages. Feel free to get back to me! Andrzejbanas (talk) 01:01, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

No no, i meant it lacks one! But looking at the article again and style guides through WP:Films I guess it doesn't need one for certain right now. I think for B-articles now it says to have at least 6 well developed sections for the article. I suppose it does now, even though soundtrack is pretty weak. But you've made your point. I think it's worth a B class. Good job suckering me into it. ;) I'll re-rate it now. Andrzejbanas (talk) 01:41, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

Sorry, I didn't see that others had posted the same thing.--CyberGhostface (talk) 02:56, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

Transformers
Autobots rolling in Long Beach California. Got me freakin' pumped. I recall you wanted the Aerialbots in the second film, do you think Jetfire will suffice? Alientraveller (talk) 09:23, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Maybe the Corvette is Mirage, the Autobot everyone was suspicious of. Alientraveller (talk) 12:04, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

The Crow (again)
Hi, I'm not able to do much towards The Crow (film) at the moment as I'm a bit caught up in real life, moving house and a couple of other things keeping me from it, but hopefully within a week or so I'll get back to it and add some stuff from the book I have and get the whole of the commentary watched/listened to.-- Beloved Freak  21:28, 29 August 2008 (UTC)