User talk:Bignole/Archive/2008/November

AN/I thread FYI
FYI, Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents. Pete.Hurd (talk) 18:34, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

Bond
When Campbell made a sequel, it was Legend of Zorro, which was personally ok but was clearly toned down from Mask of Zorro. We're talking about a franchise which has had directors on numerous films and giving wild results; John Glen helmed seriousness like FYEO and Dalton's films, but also made Moore's lamentable send-offs. Goldfinger is the best film, but when Guy Hamilton came back to direct we had Blofeld in drag. I think Barbara Broccoli and Michael G. Wilson's track record is less spotty than their father/stepfather's (the man who let Moore dress as a clown), because doubtless they've always wanted to make it grittier and more emotional even when Brosnan's era had its share of problems (the gadgets). I understand Forster's film is very action-packed because all the emotional set-up had been done in CR, which is understandable, the drama and humour (well, that's what I call blowing up an embassy and causing global controversy) were the best things about that picture. Alientraveller (talk) 13:58, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
 * I know, the first half was packed with terrific action in an effort to impress the audience with Craig, but there came a point where I didn't care about the action (*cough*sinking house*cough*). So I think QOS may shock considering, to note Forster's interviews, its running time as a homage to the early films but just as action-packed and heavily relies on seeing CR. Should make it fun to watch both together on DVD. Alientraveller (talk) 14:15, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
 * It's always Bond, and that means slight changes. So instead of Brioni doing the suits, it's Tom Ford. Lol. I like that Forster's making a sequel, bringing back some trademarks of the series while leaving some for others to use in future: like Campbell he knows making a Bond film is not about ticking off a checklist. Still, I look forward to hearing about your opinion come November 14 and I can tell you how I feel about it. Personally, you can't go wrong with a dogfight. Alientraveller (talk) 14:28, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

Once you've seen Hulk, could you contribute to the talk page discussion about possible new images for the Effects section? Alientraveller (talk) 11:28, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Funny, I lent my Blu-ray to a family member too, meaning I haven't listened to the commentary yet. Still, I look forward to "finishing" this article and finding a copyeditor. Alientraveller (talk) 21:24, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

So, yes I've saw QOS, I'd say it wasn't like Casino Royale at all in terms of action or drama; the action scenes are quantiful (no pun intended) but short and to the point, and I think the character's motivations and backstories are succinctly noted while focusing on the plot (there is a lot of commentary about corruption in the authorities: Quantum feels like it's everywhere). One area I think it trumps CR in is definitely its production design: oh, and cleverest intertitles ever. Alientraveller (talk) 18:03, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
 * It's just as good, as I'm telling Paul you can hardly compare it to the Batman series. Intertitles: the ones that tell you which countries Bond is in. Alientraveller (talk) 19:51, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

Not just to reminde about a new image, but since it's over, who'd you vote for? Alientraveller (talk) 09:07, 5 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Douche and Turd. :P   Paul    730  13:45, 5 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Hey, I respect your right not to vote. Trey and Matt pretty much summed it up.  Can't comment on the candidates myself since I don't know anything about them or what they stand for beyond "black guy" and "old guy".  Which is the result of my own disinterest, not anything to do with where I live.  Although voting for yourself to be president is a bit worrying, Bignole. ;)    Paul    730  14:05, 5 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Heh, I myself don't know who to vote for in my own election next year, yet I would have gladly voted for Obama. Alientraveller (talk) 14:12, 5 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Lol, I'd vote for you. :) You're right, one of the reasons I so often agree with the politics of South Park is that Trey and Matt usually take a "middle gound" opinion, as opposed to the extremist views of either side. It usually comes down to common sense.  The Hellraiser pages looks good so far... is it a "film series" page or a "franchise" page?  Cos the whole series is based on a book isn't it?  Urgh... fan films.  I've not looked at the "sources" on them, but I doubt they're particularly notable... I noticed a forum and IMDb.  Every popular series has fan fiction created from it, don't see why the Hellraiser stuff deserves special mention on Wikipedia.    Paul    730  14:27, 5 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I know being based on a book isn't enough to make it a franchise, I was just wondering if the article was going to cover the book, or if it was an exclusive "film" article (like X-Men film series or something). Oh sure, we have a whole article about Buffy fan fiction but then that doesn't surprise me.  It still shouldn't be there.  A mention of fan fiction in general may be appropiate but when you have stuff like Halloween 9: Michael Myers Goes to Hell with a link to myspace... no no.  But then, you don't need me to tell you that. :) Speaking of old Mikey, the latest Halloween comic is going to be The Mark of Thorn; I imagine it'll be a metafictional story since they've already established Tommy Doyle writes comic books about Michael and Thorn.  Sounds fun, apparently Jamie Lloyd might make an appearance.     Paul    730  14:47, 5 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm mildly excited for Halloween 2. I prefer the comics to be honest.  I'm fine with them continuing on from Rob Zombie's movie, but I'm also very glad that he isn't involved anymore.  My major request is that they wash off the trailer trash stench he left behind; class it up a bit, off Laurie in the pre-title sequence, and have Annie take the torch as lead character.  I doubt you'll find any self-respecting Halloween who doesn't want Danielle Harris back (she should have been the lead in the remake, screw whatsherface who played Laurie).  I'd like an original story, no Halloween II-remake or more "return to Haddonfield" stuff.  What would you like to see?     Paul    730  15:28, 5 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Ideally, I'd like John Carpenter to come back and do that film he wanted to make years ago; where the Haddonfield residents try to supress the memory of Michael, and by doing so bring him back as a psychic ghost thing. That would be a cool New Nightmare way to tell a unique Michael Myers story, but sadly Carpenter's too bitter and jaded to ever do it.  I see your point, but I don't really have a problem with a sequel to RZH.  Laurie needs to die because she's a horrible version of a classic character and it hurts me to watch her.  With both sisters dead, Michael could focus his rage onto Annie, seeing her as a sister-like figure as he does with Laurie in the original movie, and Lisa in Halloween Nightdance.  Let's have less Michael, and more of the Shape.  Do you really not want there to be any more Halloween movies?     Paul    730  15:52, 5 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm pretty happy for the Halloween film series to go on indefinitely... I mean, we basically lost all semblence of a single coherent continuity a long time ago, so what have we got to lose? If people want to come in and make more movies with Michael in them, I'm happy to watch them so long as they don't damage the "canon" universe (which is why I hate Resurrection so much more strongly than the non-canon movies).  Steph Hutchinson is writing the stories I actually care about in the comics and he's doing a fantastic job, so they can do whatever the hell they want with the movies.  It's not like RZH was so final that it was impossible to bring Michael back, or so good that it could never be topped.  Do you have the same problem with more Friday movies?  Again, that series should go on forever as far as I'm concerned.     Paul    730  23:12, 5 November 2008 (UTC)
 * The original Halloween wasn't about story, it was about technique and atmosphere. Maybe that's what a new film could do, try and get that back, it's not like the story-heavy sequels have been all that great anyway.  Halloween is better when it's simple; the Shape, and his victim, that's all the story you need.  Halloween Nightdance has little story besides that, but the characters and the execution make it work.  I'm happy for them to experiment because, as I said, I'm not too invested in the current continuity.  It's enjoyable, sure, but if it all goes tits up in a sequel I'm not going to lose sleep over it.  As for the ending to RZH, Michael's survived worse than a bullet to the face.  Hell, he gets shot in the face twice and then set on fire in HII, and yet H4 and H20 were both perfectly good follow-ups.  I know it's not the same Michael, but he was hardly human in RZH either.  Just because it was wasn't an open ending doesn't mean the right people couldn't make a worthwhile sequel.  That said, I hope they leave the Friday remake open for a sequel since that definitely looks set to breathe new life into the series.     Paul    730  16:52, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

Re: Possibility
My understanding of how the parties are divided is that one (Democratic) believes that government can serve an active role in society and the other (Republican) believes that government is a "necessary evil" that should be limited wherever possible. The common perception seems to be that Democrats will add government programs instead of fixing current ones that don't work and that Republicans will take away government programs that don't work instead of fixing them. It would be nice to see a more active campaign to audit government agencies, but that might be too boring for mainstream media. :) You said that health care is an open market of business and that doctors are trying to make money.  Is this supposed to be a good thing?  I don't dispute the system entirely as I am sure it is good motivation, but it seems to complicate taking care of people.  What is your opinion about treating people with pre-existing conditions?

While I think McCain's campaign also had to do with funding, I think that his operation was poorly run. There was a lot of in-fighting and a lack of strategy, where Obama's operation was a well-oiled machine. I think that the operation can reflect the credibility of an administration in some ways, especially with being able to pick the right people and directing them accordingly. I don't know how much of an issue race was... you have to consider the other perspective, that people will vote against him because he's black. I think that the reality is that it mostly balances out, though people probably saw it as an added bonus to his candidacy. He really tried to avoid the race issue, which I found admirable, and still managed to give a terrific speech on race when the circumstances compelled him. I agree about our bipartisan system; I find the division of red states and blue states incredibly silly. If you look at how the 2004 election was distributed, it was very purple. An issue I have with politics is reelection since politicians will do what they can to stay in office. Wish that there was a setup where they could only run every so often, though I'll leave the details to a committee. :) — Erik (talk • contrib) 15:56, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

Question?
... I need some advice. I have been recently working on a season page on my sandbox: User:Cornucopia/Sandbox2, but I am not sure if I should nominate it for FA or FL. I have seen several season pages as FA's, and several as FL's. I guess this season is leaning towards an FA, but I am not too sure. Thoughts?  Corn.u.co.pia /  Disc.us.sion  02:45, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks for taking the time to answer me. I will take everything you said into account. :-)  Corn.u.co.pia /  Disc.us.sion  03:49, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for all your Veronica Mars help. About the page I was working on above, User:Cornucopia/Sandbox2, I have run into some problems with the awards. Is there any way to determine which awards were for which season? It is quite frustrating, and I really have no idea. The complete list of awards is on the main Veronica Mars page.  Corn.u.co.pia /  Disc.us.sion  04:36, 8 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Regarding the awards, I think it only received two, the Saturn Award and the Writers Guild of America Award. Thanks for the help,  Corn.u.co.pia /  Disc.us.sion  05:42, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

Not that you probably care, but I have created Veronica Mars (season 3). I'll admit, some of the prose is not that good, and I hate the lead, but overall I think it's okay. Just say I want to take it to FAC in the future, do you think it is broad enough as-is? I guess most of the article is identical to the main page and the list of episode page, but it does contain some new info. If the prose was copyedit 1000 times, would you say it could qualify for FAC?  Corn.u.co.pia /  Disc.us.sion  08:54, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

Halloween
Sorry about missing your work you did for the halloween article at WP:Horror! I was sort of just glancing over. Good work on the article! Andrzejbanas (talk) 00:09, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

Superman Returns
I have had a lot of interest in getting that article to GA-status. I haven't made a single edit to that article, but I keep track of my work over here (User:Wildroot/Superman Returns). Since you are the top-contributing editor to Superman Returns, I just wanted to give you a little warning. I am far from finished, but so far it's looking great. It's nothing serious, but we have had some "clashes" in the past, so I didn't want you to be too surprised and startled when you find that the entire article has been revamped. Cheers. Wildroot (talk) 06:08, 9 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Sorry to bother you again. I noticed on the Superman Returns talk page that the archives are listed in the talkheader, and again in their own little archive box. Is there any significance to have the archives shown two times? Wildroot (talk) 08:36, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

Halloween
Hey, I just expanded Halloween (franchise) with some development info to help it flow a bit more smoothly, mind giving it a quick copy edit? I'm uncomfortable with the source for Halloween: Sam. I just linked to HalloweenComics.com, but you need to download the story to get the info. What cite template would you use to cite the pdf itself?  Paul    730  01:05, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm working on incorporating some info on First Death of Laurie Strode, I have a good interview with Hutchinson about Laurie's character arc and how he approached the controversial brother/sister retcon. The guy does loads of interviews, and they're easier to find through the Halloween forum I go to.  That particular link was especially conveninent because it talked about the comics as a whole and joined a lot of the dots.  One thing, is Sam in the appropiate section?  It's not a comic book, but I feel like moving it would interrupt the flow of the section?     Paul    730  01:34, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
 * He fucking needs the publicity, my comic book shop only ordered in 2 copies of Laurie #1. It's really hard to find them in the shops.  Sam is a prose story with illustrations (you've read it?), comic books are a different genre. I think it should stay where it is, since it ties into the comics and has the same creators.     Paul    730  02:03, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
 * What do mean, what is it? It's a online prose short story, neither a novel or a comic book which is what the section titles are.  They're making another one called The Diary of Judith Myers, so maybe down the line we can make an Online stories section or something?  The Laurie Strode info is up, btw.  I'm worried there's not enough plot, but the paragraph was already kind of long, and at only one issue in, it's hard to summarise the story.     Paul    730  02:15, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Lol, you're so biased towards the films. :P But yeah, the story is summed up okay with Stef's quotes, I guess. If there's any surprising developments, I'll add them.  Shall I create an Online stories section now or after Judith is available.  I don't have a reliable source discussing Judith that I could use in the article right now, only Stef's word on forums.  Oh, and I added some plot info to the Chaos comics.     Paul    730  02:57, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
 * How about I just move the whole paragraph? The stuff about continuity was only really there to lead into the Sam info.  It will seem a bit random just sitting there by itself, and we'll just be repeating ourselves in the Online section.    Paul    730  03:08, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I just redirected the video game page and then realised we have nothing about it on the franchise article (that I can see, I just skimmed it). Do you want to add something, I'm don't really know anything about it, do we even have any reliable sources on it?     Paul    730  03:37, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

I did not make four reverts
I did not make four reverts - I modified the text to conform with the points made in the discussion. The editor I discussed it with agreed that Anne Rice was influential in vampire literature, if not the most influential. Colin4C (talk) 21:20, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

FvJvA: Groovy
I came across the Freddy vs. Jason vs. Ash trade paperback yesterday and picked it up. It was pretty good, I have to say, a very authentic-feeling sequel to FvJ. (Speaking of which, Lori and Will's deaths were totally pointless story-wise, but they're pathetic characters so it was fun to watch them die). The continuity in it was great, almost every Jason movie was referenced in some way, even Manhattan, which was nice since most people ignore that one. Freddy didn't have much of a role, he's the main villain again but his characterization is weak; the writers seem to think that giving him lots of foul language makes him scary. My favourite part of it was Ash; he really stole the show the way Jason stole FvJ. That's probably the best characterization of Ash I've ever seen, the writers said they were trying to find a balance between normal Ash from ED and wacky cartoon Ash from AoD. Overall, it gets a thumbs-up from me as a fun, dumb "popcorn comic". I kinda wish it had been live action but could 50-year-old Bruce still play Ash?  Paul    730  18:21, 14 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, this is the decade for geriatric action heroes to make comebacks. In the comic, Ash is 35 and his love interest is a college student so if it wasn't creepy before, it certainly would be if Bruce was playing him.  At the same time, I don't think anyone else could play Ash?  I'm kinda glad the Evil Dead remake never happened.  The FvJvA comic is left open for another sequel; I know they planned on Pinhead appearing in the movie, what would you think of that as a potential match-up?     Paul    730  21:38, 14 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I was only kidding with that list (and does T3, as loathesome as it is, really count as a failure? I thought it did pretty well.)  How could Pinhead not be in a movie with them, he lives in a weird supernatural universe like they do?  You've heard of the original ending to FvJ, where he meets them both in hell?  I doubt they'll make a Vs movie with Michael at this stage... maybe before the remake but not now.  Stef has already vetoed any crossover comics.  Michael would get his ass absolutely handed to him anyway.  What could he do?  Poke Jason with his little kitchen knife before getting his head chopped off?  He couldn't even kill Busta Rhymes.  Michael, Freddy, and Jason are the trinity of horror, and Leatherface, Chucky, and Pinhead are like the B-list wannabes.  Urgh, FvJ2?  It'd better not contradict the vs. Ash comic!     Paul    730  22:24, 14 November 2008 (UTC)
 * T3 wasn't a critical flop, people liked it, just not as much at the first two. It has like 70% at Rotten Tomatoes, the only people who really hate it are Terminator fanboys.  Speaking of which, why the hell am I defending that turd of a movie?  Anyway... I'm unfamiliar with Pinhead as you know, but my friend said he could kick all their asses because he's like omnipotent.  I don't really know what he can do besides summon kinky chains from nowhere.  What?  They're making a movie sequel to the comic book?  Or they're adapting the comic book, or making a comic sequel to the comic?  Another comic would be great.     Paul    730  22:57, 14 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I thought Pinhead was one of these characters with really obscure powers... he can just do whatever the story needs him to do. They probably will make another FvJvA, all the separate comic series seem to be doing well so why not.  The one I got ended with Jason squashed under Ash's car at the bottom of Crystal Lake.  When I saw it I was like "You can't leave Ash's car there, it's been around forever!"  Hopefully he'll get it back. :)    Paul    730  01:04, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

The Jason nightmare scene in FvJ was pretty cool. I maintain that that movie is the best characterization of Jason... I know you're a Kane Hodder fanboy, and you prefer his angry portrayal, but I prefer Jason as a tragic figure and the writing in FvJ gave the character depth IMO. I like the idea that Jason's "hell" (that we see in the opening) is basically the same as his normal life, it's like he already lives in hell no matter where he is. It's sad. Ash's worst nightmare is that he gets his hand back, and then Freddy makes him cut it off again. Poor Linda, Ash is more upset about his hand than her... that says it all. Yeah, it was Sam Raimi's car. A lot of the stuff in the comic is very accurate to the films, the Voorhees house is the same as JGtH, Jason's shack is seen from F13 2, Freddy and Jason both resemble their FvJ make-up. I can't believe Ash just left his car in the lake, I mean it's travelled through time and everything!  Paul    730  01:52, 15 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm looking forward to Mears as well. As much as I love zombie Jason, I have to admit he's scarier when he's human.  I was watching Final Chapter the other day, and the scene where he's on top of Trish is actually really disturbing.  I'm so desensitised to horror in general that I never really think anything of it, but a crazed retard on top of you and trying to kill you is pretty fucked up.  Btw, when I was going through those Halloween links, I found a panel discussion where Stef and some other people talk about how great Final Chapter is, and how the Friday remake actually looks really good.  Final Chapter is your favourite as well, isn't it?     Paul    730  02:25, 15 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I actually get kind of bored during Final Chapter. The characters in that one are particularly annoying (Teddy and Jimbo piss me off) and I tend to drift off during the "party" scenes.  I don't think the "big chase scene" is as good as the one in Part III, either.  It's still one of the best Fridays though, don't get me wrong, I just don't think it's quite as good as fans seem to think.  Jason Lives on the other hand... I'm consistantly entertained by that, it doesn't drag like Final Chapter does.  It also has the best hero characters, and Camp Crystal Lake is the main setting, which I like.  I barely remember the tent spike kill... is that the one where the girl thinks it's her boyfriend's silloette before getting killed?     Paul    730  02:44, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
 * As awful as Jason looks in that movie, I liked the Part 2 final act... the whole movie actually. Ginny is probably my favourite "final girl" in the series and I like the Voorhees lore of Jason being tricked by the image of his mother.  Final Chapter probably is one of the scarier Fridays, but I can't say any of them ever scared me.  Ah... you're talking about JGtH, that explains why I can't remember it (I've only seen that movie twice).  How come you quoted that then?  Did you just think it was a funny story?     Paul    730  03:19, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I guess you're right, but when I said "big chase scene", I was quoting Scream to mean the general girl/killer confrontation in the end. Meh, I used to watch slasher movies with my grandparents all the time.     Paul    730  03:52, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

Wow thanks, I've not seen that cover of Mikey in his H4 bandages. I love the one of him in front of the H5 Myers house, it's currently my desktop background. If only the mask in the middle trilogy had look like that, those movies would be a lot more watchable. The whole story looks excellent, I love how they've integrated the Thorn trilogy into the canon universe as a fictional comic. The perfect way to pay respect to an important part of Michael's history without ruining the realistic tone of the comics. Plus Tommy Doyle is one of the coolest Halloween characters. Can I use that website as a source? Btw, I meant to show you this rather chilling preview of Laurie Strode. So much better than the remake. His Name Was Jason looks pretty interesting, if it gets released over here I'm sure I'll pick it up. Aw, I'm glad Brendon has found work, he's not exactly been the most sucessful actor post-Buffy. Although I have to say, he looked a lot hotter as Vamp Xander than he does in that movie.  Paul    730  01:10, 19 November 2008 (UTC)
 * The source will just be temporary anyway, I'll cite the issues themselves when I get them... or the inevitable interview with Steph. Yeah, Laurie's likeness is a little off.  Maybe it's because she's not a traditional "pretty girl".  I'd much rather have a bad likeness than artwork that consists of traced/photoshopped screenshots from the movies.  They did that in some issues of Angel: After the Fall and it was awful because you could recognise which scene or publicity photo they'd traced.  I like how they're tying the upcoming Diary of Judith into the current story, everything feels connected.
 * Btw, could you do me a favour? I've been editing over at the Horror Movie Wiki lately (trying to get it started, it's very skeletal at the moment) and have written an in-universe article on the H20 version of Michael (I'm making subarticles on the different continuities since they're so different).  Anyway, I was wondering if you could scan a couple of pages from Halloween: Autopsis; the one with with the photographs of Michael's victims (the decapitated beauty queen and the teacher) and the page where Michael appears in front of Carter.  I'd do it myself but I don't have a scanner.  I know you don't like in-universe character biographies, but it's Wikia so don't judge me! :P     Paul    730  02:17, 19 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Thank you, the images look great. Though you actually gave me one too many, the "teacher" was on the same page as the beauty queen.  Never mind, I'll be able to find a use for the extra one.  If you make an account on Wikia, that account works for every individual wiki (with message alerts coming up no matter what wiki you're on).  You have a page at the Smallville wiki, don't you, so that might be why you have one at the horror one.  I think Horror Wiki is fairly new.     Paul    730  04:41, 19 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah, the page with the photos of the girls was all I really needed, to illustrate Michael's activites during his 20 year absence. The full-body shot of Michael I just liked, and will find a use for down the line (it's a cool picture).  The girls in those photoes are elaborated on in later stories, we see how exactly the beauty queen and the teacher die... it's pretty twisted.  That's what I meant earlier when I said everything felt connected.  Apparently all these stories have been planned for years, Hutchinson was just waiting for the legalities to work out so he could publish them.
 * On another note, I finally watched Psycho II tonight. I'd actually forgotten I'd bought that boxset, and I'm in a horror mood.  It was very tense, I've not been as creeped out by a film in a long time.  Norman was a very sympathetic character in it, I felt sorry for him as his mental state deteriorated.     Paul    730  05:14, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

Well, I'm going to watch III tonight so I'll see how he's portrayed in that. You're right though, it was sad how he was just trying to be normal and other people kept manipulating him until he cracked. Isn't the fourth one kind of non-canon? Isn't it a direct sequel to the first one and ignores/retcons the last two sequels? I'd quite like to get it, tbh.  Paul    730  16:38, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

Re: What the problem may actually be
That is a good point. I do want to emphasize that I have great respect for you and your en.wiki work - I just feel that there's gotta be more coverage out there in secondary sources to construct that type of subsection and represent such analysis in the article. Cirt (talk) 15:12, 15 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Nah, don't do that. But it would be interesting to see if there are secondary sources out there comparing the Smallville character with Clark Kent as depicted in other television programs, etc. On the other hand, you could move that info to its own subsection to see how it looks, could always move it back if need be. Cirt (talk) 15:25, 15 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Much better. I'll revisit in a couple days, or just message me. Cirt (talk) 15:34, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

Still yet even better, nice work! I will revisit in a few days. Cirt (talk) 08:17, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

Hey there. Have you seen the refs I left at the Lionel Luthor talk page? I realize they may contain what you regard as "fluff", but I think they have some good info that can expand the really stubby reception section. Have a look and tell me what you think of them. :)  Corn.u.co.pia /  Disc.us.sion  11:38, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

Moving on
I don't think I am going to bother with any more discussions related to IMDb... no one is going to convince each other of anything. You and Termer were biting at each other a little, so chill. ;) It might be worth looking at older Featured Articles to make sure they're up to par, but one look at Sunset Boulevard made me itch for a complete overhaul...  anyway, we don't even edit the same articles anymore!  What is it going to take, Nolan's third Batman film to bring us back together?! — Erik  (talk • contrib) 15:26, 18 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Yeah, I don't like to get involved with Featured Articles too much. I remember being involved with 300 (which I don't really list as a major contribution anymore) and being surprised that it was pushed into the FAC process after many, many debates about how to properly cover the controversies of its historical inaccuracy.  I sometimes feel that film articles should qualify for Featured Article status if there is long-term relevance.  We have some films that make a very tiny splash in the cinematic pool, and there is not much that could be said about it.  For Doomsday, for example, I can't foresee it becoming a Featured Article at all.  While it has a lot of good information, it's not The Searchers, you know?  Sometimes I read the Featured Article of the Day and find how short it is (especially with video game articles).  Not to mention that my improved prowess for resources has shown me how much is really out there for some of the more famous films, so I hate to unload all the possible resources in the primary editor's direction and doom the FAC process to fail.  Kind of happened with JFK.  I really want to raise the bar with Fight Club, though I know I've said this forever... hopefully after I find out what job I get by this very Friday, I can re-sort priorities and see about getting a spiral notebook of all the PDFs related to the film.  My roommate got 200 pages' worth bound for an IT controls class for only $4, so I may steal that idea. :)


 * I haven't kept up as much with articles about upcoming films. I think I'm slowing down since I hesitate to waste my limited time on a film that may not be so great.  An example is Body of Lies, which sounded cool as I worked on the article through the film's production.  It apparently didn't turn out to be anything special.  For Friday the 13th, I'm sure it won't be too much of a problem for you after all your work on Jason Voorhees.  How is Smallville these days?  How does it keep going in the later seasons, anyway?  Maybe I should read the season pages and find out...  I've been watching Heroes and Fringe thanks to having a DVR for the first time.  Heroes is pretty bad these days, though... I see a lot of good ideas that are executed so poorly.  (Time travel should never have been part of the show!)  Fringe had a weird start, but I think it's gotten a little better.  Neither are favorites, though... that'll be Lost. :)  I'll also check out the new 24; hopefully being on hiatus brought some refreshing change to the show. — Erik  (talk • contrib) 16:00, 18 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Currently MOSFILM states you don't have to unload themes into their own section. I myself am happy to put them where appropriate in production and release so it doesn't feel like we're bouncing back and forth between two sides. Alientraveller (talk) 17:08, 18 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I don't think that they are mandatory. Sometimes the intent can be conveyed in production and the theme can be perceived by critics in release.  I think that if there is more than two or three significant academic journal articles that explore the film retrospectively, though, a separate section is usually warranted as a kind of "look back".  You gotta remember that recent films will no longer be that way in 20 years! :)  Sometimes perception can change, especially with societal trends. — Erik  (talk • contrib) 17:14, 18 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks for downsizing the image. That was one of many elements of Photoshop I forgot about. Alientraveller (talk) 14:54, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

Can you help me with my first home grown article?
I am currently in the process of writing my first article for Wikipedia from scratch about a Connecticut-based ska-punk band called Tip the Van. What I have got so far is sitting in a subpage here and I was wondering if you could take a look at it. At first I thought that I would have to wait for another album to be released before the notability requirements were met, however, considering coverage that they have gotten in the Hartford Advocate and winning said paper's sponsored contests three years in a row, they may already have the notability. I wanted an experience editor to help me with this dilemma and maybe provide any other helpful suggestions. Any advice you could give, along with a resolution to the above question, would be great. Please post it on the subpage discussion page. Thank you. kingdom2 (talk) 19:08, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

Horror
I just read the latest issue of Laurie Strode and it was brilliant. Michael is fucking terrifying in it. Laurie is falling apart, she shows up to her graduation drunk and shouts at Jimmy, then freaks out because she sees the Shape lurking in the car park. Then later on, she's at a really sleazy costume party and Michael shows up dressed as a clown... with clown make-up applied to his mask. Scary shit. He chases Laurie through an alley way in his car, then goes to Jimmy's house and snaps his neck in front of Laurie. Plus there's some cool themes where Loomis talks about Ben Tramer, and how Laurie's love interest dying while dressed as Michael can't be coincidence, it has to be fate. Pretty interesting when you consider that both Jimmy and Will die as well. Loomis basically admits to Marion that Laurie is fated to die at Michael's hands and that can't be changed, the most he can do is help her achieve some happiness in the meantime. Btw, I watched Psycho III and it wasn't as good as II IMO. There didn't seem to be a story, it just seemed to be the Psycho elements wrapped around a F13 body count. All right, but not great.  Paul    730  13:30, 20 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Will Brennan was Laurie's love interest in H20, the school counsellor. It's history repeating itself... all of Laurie's loves die at Michael's hands in some way.  Fate seems to be a big theme in the Halloween series, Laurie's teacher talks about it in the original movie ("fate is immovable, like a mountain"), and Molly talks about it in H20 (where she discusses Frankenstein and how it was Victor's fate to confront his monster).  Nightdance is already out in paperback, but One Good Scare and H30 are only available as one-shots.  I think Nightdance is my favourite, it's a simple standalone story but it's so twisted and Michael is genuinely scary in it.  Psycho III was about Norman's relationship with a nun who reminded him of Marion (Janet Leigh).  It didn't have the mystery and psychology of the first two films and felt more like a traditional slasher movie.     Paul    730  23:36, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

Lex Luthor
Fair enough. I come from a site where we talk about spoilers, and I thought it was acceptable to say such things here. Actually, I guess you're right. The mannequin is completely irrelevant for Wikipedia. Vchimpanzee ·  talk  ·  contributions  · 23:32, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

I was new to editing these TV character articles myself but when I saw omissions I couldn't just ignore them. The Lex article was so well sourced that I knew I had to do that. Then I couldn't remember about where I got my knowledge of Tess. Never mind what I almost said; the scrolling down worked right that time. And we do know it looks like Lex; I just thought that was sufficient.

Returning to the real world now. Vchimpanzee ·  talk  ·  contributions  · 23:47, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

Buffy
The Buffy Summers article was making my eyes bleed so I decided to just stick what I've got in my sandbox out on the mainspace. It's still nowhere near finished, but I haven't worked on it in so long, it was just sitting going stale in my userspace. At least this means all that godawful OR is gone. Just letting you know in case there's any backlash from the fanboys and you're interested in voicing your opinion. :P    Paul    730

Bot
Then might it not be wiser to have left the entry for such in the infobox, and just turn off it being displayed until the bot can get to it? When I check [] I see that it is no longer there. I trust that official websites, AMG, IMDB and all the rest won't be removed from EL's by well-meaning editors, now that they see them no longer supported in an Infobox.  Schmidt,  MICHAEL Q. 03:13, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

Wikiproject Films question
Your response here is absolutely useless):-- intraining  Jack In  13:58, 26 November 2008 (UTC)
 * O.K. now I understand it is showing up fine now.-- intraining  Jack In  16:23, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

Comprehensiveness criteria in a television FLC
Hi, you may "remember" me from this! Anyway, I have been pointed to you (as a WP:TV member) to request comment on Cr 3. Comprehensiveness regarding the viewing figures in this FLC. I will not try and force my point of view here as I may have done in the past, I would just like your interpretation on the discussion. Any questions please ask. Many thanks, Rambo's Revenge (talk)  17:37, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

Happy Thanksgiving!
Happy Thanksgiving Bignole! Elbutler (talk) 23:14, 27 November 2008 (UTC)

The Texas Chain Saw Massacre
Hi Bignole, I recently proposed deleting the second paragraph of the lead and invite you to comment. You can find the conversation here. Thanks!  momoricks   make my day  00:48, 29 November 2008 (UTC)