User talk:Bignole/Archive/2009/November

Thanks you
For your input and help in revising the Fight Club article to be both accurate and well-written. I greatly appreciate it because I was getting nowhere. Remember (talk) 14:42, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

WP:FILMS October Newsletter
The October 2009 issue of the Films WikiProject newsletter has been published. The newsletter includes details on the current membership roll call to readd your name from the inactive list to the active list. You may read the newsletter, change the format in which future issues will be delivered to you, or unsubscribe from this notification by following the link. If you have an idea for improving the newsletter please leave a message on my talk page. --Happy editing! Nehrams2020 (talk • contrib) 05:48, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

imdb listed Lex as a character in "Smallville"--again
Ayron Howey ... Lex Luthor Vchimpanzee ·  talk  ·  contributions  · 20:36, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

I don't know what I'm referring to either. I don't remember Lex appearing in the episode, and yet there was his name in the credits. I just remembered to go to imdb and there he was.

Apparently we don't have "official" confirmation of Kevin Miller either. Vchimpanzee ·  talk  ·  contributions  · 20:57, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

Smallville Season Nine
In the episodes and john jones thing all have sources, I just dont remember how to link the sites. I found the info off of Kryptonsite.com under spoiler section. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.34.208.234 (talk) 07:21, 5 November 2009 (UTC)

Quick advice
Hey, someone replaced the free image on FLC List of Supernatural episodes, and I wanted to get another opinion before reverting it. Which do you think is better? First or second? Thanks. Ophois (talk) 10:22, 6 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the advice. Do you mind posting all of that into the FLC? Ophois (talk) 16:36, 6 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Also, what is your opinion on the current main image of Supernatural (TV series)? I prefer using the title card like other shows, but another user keeps adding a promo image. Ophois (talk) 03:54, 7 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Okay, thanks. Unfortunately the user now seems to be going to multiple show pages and replacing their title cards with promos. I've left him a talk page message, so hopefully that will fix it. He also created a Supernatural DVD collection image and insists on using it in the list of episodes instead of the free image. Ophois (talk) 04:25, 7 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Does the "correlation chart" in Hero (2009 TV series) fit fair use, in your opinion? Ophois (talk) 22:53, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

SOP
Could you please direct me to the SOP page? —Preceding unsigned comment added by JKSarang (talk • contribs) 04:35, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

Title Cards
Alright then what do you suggest? I have tried to make them look appealing. If you are going to put up a photo, at least make it appealing and still guided to the rules, right?JKSarang (talk contribs)

Alright, but inoreder to get people's opinions the photo has to be visible too the public. So what should we leave them there for now and get people's feedback? --JKSarang 06:09, 7 November 2009 (UTC) And what are the guidelines of fan art?--JKSarang 06:09, 7 November 2009 (UTC)
 * I have posted a question on each TV series image discussion, take a look and post something? --JKSarang 06:15, 7 November 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by JKSarang (talk • contribs)
 * Seriously, Bighole you are trying my patience. I have given you so many different options and it's like you don't even want to agree with anything I or anyone has to say. In addition you're getting friends to take your side (Paul). Someone agreed to use the Supernatural version I upload and you changed it. Why is it that your opinion matters more than everyone else's. —Preceding unsigned comment added by JKSarang (talk • contribs) 03:22, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

What Ophois's quote is there and also on my talk page above. Copyrighted material? The title card are copyrighted you don't own the tile do you? As for the cast watermark I cropped it. "Everyone is saying "use the title card", but you don't really seem to care." If I didn't care I wouldn't be here confronting you about this. For the Smallville title card there are only 4 people including myself, Ophois, Paul and you. We need people who aren't friends with us to make decisions, to make it fair. And all it seems you have control issue. Everything is being reverted by you. --JKSarang 03:58, 8 November 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by JKSarang (talk • contribs)
 * Did you realize that your Smallville title card is based on Season 5? And read this Upload Image Size —Preceding unsigned comment added by JKSarang (talk • contribs) 08:16, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

Kandor
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kandor#Other_media

I'd rather not attempt to update this myself. Vchimpanzee ·  talk  ·  contributions  · 20:10, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

Smallville 2
Wait, what? They're only allowed three JLA members to appear in an episode at a time? That's stupid. It's cool they're adapting more DC characters into the show, even if I've not heard of them (I'm vaguely familar with Hawkman). How smoothly are they being written into the show's story? It seems like it would be easy to fall into a "DC character of the week" formula, serving no purpose other than fanservice.

Oh, btw, I bought Ultimate Alliance 2. It's pretty good, more or less the same as the first one. The graphics are better than I expected. So far the main characters I use are Cap, Hulk, and Storm. Still pissed off Cyclops isn't in it.  Paul    730  22:09, 20 October 2009 (UTC)


 * Lol, I barely know who most of those characters are. I suppose if this was a Spider-Man series, and they were introducing loads of B-list Marvel characters, I'd be loving it so I'm not going to criticise Smallville for the same thing.  Respecting the mythology is a good thing.
 * Still can't muster the energy to watch season 6. Might give it a shot sometime this week.     Paul    730  23:14, 20 October 2009 (UTC)


 * Hey. Smallville doesn't usually do two-parters, does it?  I don't remember there being very many, but maybe that's just my crap memory.  It's probably a good idea, give the characters the attention they deserve.
 * I have been editing at Wikia a little, but I've not been online that much the past couple of weeks. I'm on holiday from work so I've been going out quite a bit.  Still like to check in here when I can, even if I'm not editing much.
 * Btw, do you like Amityville Horror? I bought the original and the remake the other day, hadn't seen either (think I tried watching the original years ago but got bored).  I watched the remake first, and quite enjoyed it, but it wasn't scary in the slighest.  I was kinda disapointed, because I've seen documentaries about the real events and they really freaked me out.  How's the original?  I also picked up the first two Hellraisers.  I've only seen the first, will pick up the rest if I like the second.     Paul    730  21:26, 24 October 2009 (UTC)


 * Do you not follow the series? I didn't know there was like 10 sequels, though I probably should have.  I think I might have seen the second one as a child, it sounds familiar.  I'm an cynical agnostic, so I'm sure it was all fake/imagined, but potentially-true paranormal stuff still freaks me out a little.  I remember in that documentay they said one of the family saw a pair glowing red eyes.  Well, afterwards, I went into my kitchen in the dark and saw the red lights from some kitchen appliance and nearly shit myself, lol. :D
 * I watched Hellraiser years ago and thought it was okay, a little dull. I've been meaning to give the series another chance for ages.  The whole mythology of the series is a little weird and confusing to me, but I've heard the second one is good.  When it comes down to it, isn't it all just an extreme BDSM fantasy?     Paul    730  22:07, 24 October 2009 (UTC)


 * I just watched the original Amityville and I'm not sure which is my favourite. I prefer Ryan Reynold's George, but Margot Kidder's Kathy.  The kids are much more likable and better developed in the remake.  Overall, I'd day the original handled the supernatural elements better (instead of all that on-the-nose CGI in the remake) but the remake had better characters.  The remake was possibly better written.  I don't what it is about Amityville... I like it but I don't love it.  On paper, it sounds like my ideal horror movie (suburban haunted house story based on a true story) but there's just something a bit tame and flat about it.  I recall Poltergeist and it's sequels being better, although it's been a while since I saw those.
 * That's kind of sad about Sam Jones. It'll be hard to watch old Smallville episodes and not see him as a drug dealer now.  Good news about the ratings though.  Buffy Season 8s sales have halved since the series started, and frankly I'm not surprised.  Even I'm losing interest in it now... it's good but it's not paced properly for the comic medium.  The story's been dragged out for two and a half years now and it's honestly hard to maintain interest.  The writing's been a bit shaky too, I think Joss is stretched too thin to pay attention, tbh.    Paul    730  02:51, 25 October 2009 (UTC)


 * I'm not a fan of either character (though Deadpool recently "joined" the X-Men, which makes me more interested in him) but I'm totally fine with Reynolds playing them both. Aren't you?  Traditionally, Deadpool is deformed, so he shouldn't be too recognisable as Reynolds anyway.  Deadpool is such a unique character personality-wise, it shouldn't be hard for him to distinguish the two performances, especially if the movie is going the zany comedy route (which it should).
 * I kind of agree with Tom tbh, the show is reaching it's end point and you have to call it a day eventually. 10 is a nice round number, best to leave it at that.     Paul    730  23:08, 25 October 2009 (UTC)


 * I don't know one Green Lantern from the other, so it's not a big deal to me. I thought your concern was to have the same actor play two superheroes at the same time.  It's probably a good idea to have a planned ending in case of cancellation.  I know Joss Whedon treated every season of Buffy except 6 like it was the last one.  My biggest concern for Smallville, which we've discussed before, is that by dragging it out too long, you undermine the original mission statement, which was the journey to being Superman, not Superman itself.  Like you say, Clark's like 95% there already so how many more seasons can there be?     Paul    730  01:27, 26 October 2009 (UTC)


 * As I say, I have no knowledge of Green Lantern whatsoever so I don't have much of an opinion about it. It's possible, since there are multiple Green Lanterns, they'll combine various personality traits from each of them into one character.  They do that in some of the Marvel films; Kirsten Dunst's MJ was created with some of Gwen Stacy's personality, and Hugh Jackman's Wolverine often plays Cyclops' role.  Anna Paquin's Rogue also plays the Wolverine sidekick role usually filled by Kitty, Jubilee, or Armor in the comics.  It's a good way to save time if you've only got a couple of hours to adapt 40+ years of comic history, but it can piss fans off.  I agree Reynolds is a good choice to play Deadpool, but they're going to have to retain the comedy from the comics for the character to work.  I expect self-deprecating, fourth wall-breaking humor.  It'd be nice for Deadpool to comment on the character assassin that happened to him in the Wolverine film... "No mouth?  What the hell was that?"  Otherwise, what's the point of a Deadpool movie?
 * Buffy's original original mission statement was the empowered girl in the alley, which is obviously still prominent today in the form of the worldwide Slayer army. As for "high school as hell", that did evolve as the show grew up... we saw Buffy's transition into adulthood through supernatural metaphors.  People (not you) who complain the show jumped the shark after high school are too dumb to know what they're talking about.  Look at one of my favourite episodes, "The Killer in Me"; people who move on from grief often feel like they're "killing" the memory of the person they lost.  Buffy portrayed that by having Willow literally transform into her girlfriend's killer.  Season 6 is one giant metaphor for the depressed, directionless period many people go through in their twenties.  The "life as a horror movie" concept is still there, it's just the subject matter is more adult and complicated than it was in high school.  That's a perfect example of a show evolving it's original mission statement.  Smallville saying for years "we're not Superman" and then saying "yeah... we're Superman now just cause we don't want to stop" isn't the same thing.  I'm not saying it couldn't work... not everything needs to stick to it's original concept.  X-Mens original concept was "The Strangest Teens of All" attending a school for superheroes.  While that has been revisited many times in the form of New Mutants, etc, it's not what made the franchise work.
 * What they could do is cancel Smallville, and then bring it back in the form of Superman season one instead of Smallville season eleven. That would allow them to give Smallville a definitive ending, and start a new show with a refreshed mission statement but the same characters/continuity.  It might also be a good way to revive interest in the show, give new viewers a jumping-on point.  They could even wait a year or two between the shows, give the actors a break and viewers a chance to miss the show.  Title/numbering reboots like that are common in comic books.  Of course, it could come across as a cheap publicity stunt.
 * Btw, I watched Hellraiser and I don't know what to make of it. On one hand, I love the 80s-ness of it and the special effects.  It has some of the best imagery of any horror film ever.  On the other hand, the characters and story just aren't very involving.  It's not as emotionally investing or entertaining as the other horror movies I love.  Neither Pinhead or Kirsty really interest me.  What's your opinion of it?     Paul    730  05:34, 26 October 2009 (UTC)
 * If the show's good, I can't argue with that, but knowing when to stop is important. I agree though, that Tom shouldn't be so quick to turn his nose up at playing Clark/Superman.  SMG left Buffy to focus on her film career and look where it got her.
 * Yeah, I was just giving my refreshed opinion about the first one. I might watch II this morning (working late tonight).  I get that the focus of the story is the human drama and not Pinhead, but I just don't find the human  drama all that engaging.  I didn't really like Julia as a character... she was gullible and annoying.  As for Kirsty, I liked the actress but we didn't really get to know the character well enough for me to care about her as much as I wanted to.  I'm being way too harsh on it, it was a pefectly good horror movie, I just didn't love it as much as, say, Nightmare.  Like I said, I think the strength of the film is in it's SFX/imagery. Frank looks amazing, there's something sickly fascinating about skinless people.     Paul    730  07:21, 27 October 2009 (UTC)


 * I've always thought it'd be better to be known for one good character, than a load of lousy ones. I'd much rather be a cult actor like Bruce Campbell or Robert Englund, than some A-list idiot like Tom Cruise.  Also, you're not gonna like this, but I don't think Welling is a strong enough actor to have as sucessful a career as Carrey or Keaton.  He's a good Clark but he doesn't seem that versatile (which might be an unfair statement, since I've only seen him as Clark).
 * I watched Hellbound yesterday (not had a chance to talk to you until now) and was much more impressed. It was a much more epic, satisfying story than the zombie-in-the-attic plot of the first film.  Although the endless running around got a little tiresome, I loved seeing Leviathan in it's entirety and learning more about the mythology of the Cenobites.  Julia was a much cooler character this time, more of a bona fide femme fatale than the gullible bitch she used to be.  I liked how she screwed Frank over for his betrayal.  I heard Clive Barker wanted her to be the main villain of the series, which might have been cool.  I've also warmed to Kirsty as a protagonist, since she was more savvy and pro-active.  The "redemption" scene with Pinhead was cooler than I expected.  The moment where the Cenobites stood united in their defense of the girls was very exciting, I don't recall a major horror villain ever switching sides like that?  The Cenobites in general are quite cool, I liked when the female one mocked Kirsty for her constant excuses.  Overall, the movie was the ideal sequel in that it was not only better than the original, it made the original look better in retrospect.  Funny how I've enjoyed this, Texas 2, and Child's Play 2 more than the originals.
 * One thing I wanted to ask... apparently it's ambiguous whether Leviathan is actually the "Hell" or just a generic demon dimension. What do you think?  It actually seemed tamer in Hellbound than in Hellraiser; the first movie implied Frank would spend eternity being ripped apart by hooks, but in the sequel he's walking about quite comfortably, supposedly tortured by some female zombies.  Same with Julia, she's walking around quite happy in hell.  The whole concept of "personal hell", while interesting from a story perspective, seems pretty tame compared to the physical torture we saw in the first movie.     Paul    730  01:30, 29 October 2009 (UTC)


 * Well, put it this way, I think if Welling were to quit Smallville, he probably wouldn't find that much work anyway. Maybe a few pretty boy roles but nothing substantial.  So he might as well embrace Clark Kent and get on with it.  I think there's a new TV show where Nicholas Brendon plays himself, and he simultaneously loves and hates the Xander character because it's all he's known for.  Aw, if I worked in Hollywood I would totally give Nicky Brendon a pity-role.  I would make him Ash in my imaginary Evil Dead: The Musical movie, even though he's like 40 now.
 * Lol, "finally understand", I always believed you when you said it was the best. As I say, second films tend to be good in horror series.  I only have the first two, but the rest are available at HMV pretty cheap... I was just holding off buying them in case I hated the second film.  I'll probably buy them tomorrow.  How would you rate the other movies.  Parts 3 and 4 (you gotta love space sequels :P) seem good, but what about the straight-to-DVD ones?
 * Dunno, the concept of hell interests/terrifies me, and an eternity of burning in a lake of fire or being flayed alive seems a lot worse than sexual frustration. I'd take emotional hell over physical torture any day.  The original Hellraisier was an especially bloodthirsty depiction of hell, and the more abstract sequel seemed like a bit of a copout (even though it's a better movie).     Paul    730  04:29, 29 October 2009 (UTC)

Break
Lol, "gay face". I don't remember any funny expressions from the earlier seasons. Dunno, I've always thought of Tom Welling as pretty wooden actor. Don't know how much of that is just the part he plays, but he seems to have quite a limited emotional range. Nicholas Brendon is widely considered to have a Bruce Campbell quality, I'm not the first person to suggest him as Ash. He seems to have a Xander complex in real life though... the one who always gets ignored. Gellar, Hannigan, Boreanaz, and Marsters have all had reasonable careers but Brendon just seems to appear in a string of pilots that don't get picked up.

I had a total horror splurge yesterday... picked up the new Nightmare Warriors, three more Hellraisers, Trick r Treat, and Drag Me to Hell. Will probably get through most of them today, as it's my day off. They only had Hell on Earth, Bloodline, and Inferno at HMV, so no Kirsty for me. :( Don't know if I'll be able to find the others in the shops, I'll certainly look. Nightmare Warriors was okay, though the repetitive dialogue is getting on my nerves.  The writers seem to think adding "bitch" to everything automatically makes it Freddy-speak.  Now that the initial fangasm is wearing off, I have to admit the series is terribly written.  There was a funny scene where Ash accuses Alice of being "on the rag" and she nearly beat the shit out of him.  You read the first series yet?

EDIT: I just watched Hell on Earth... oh my. I was enjoying it up until the final act, at which point it turned into total shit. By far my favourite part of the film was Terri, so the fact that she was abruptly written out of the story, only to show up later as one of the ridiculous new Cenobites, didn't make me happy. Everything after the Boiler Room massacre (which was horribly acted) was just painful. Cartoony Cenobite designs, dire oneliners ("That's a wrap!"), and crap SFX... I fully expected the series to go down the Freddy's Dead route at some point, I just didn't think it would happen so soon. If this is only part three, I'm really quite worried about what's in store from the other movies.  Paul    730  07:46, 30 October 2009 (UTC)


 * Whose dialogue in FvJvA annoys you? I don't like their depiction of Freddy, they make him vulgar rather than scary, which is juvenile.  Ash is better, it's still over-the-top, but not as bad as some of the Army of Darkness comics out there.  He gets some nice moments and some crap moments. The final few issues though, where Freddy and Ash battle verbally, is rather tiring.  Another dodgy dialogue moment is when Ash tells Caroline his life story... she just accepts all this raw exposition as fact, which is weird.  I know she grew up in Crystal Lake but you'd think she'd be more skeptical of this guy talking about demons and time travel.  What's wrong with Freddy being stuck in Jason's subconscious?  That to me seemed like the obvious place to pick up after the "wink" scene in the movie.  What do you think of the artwork?  I think it's adequate, but I don't care for how Craig draws women (all the female Nightmare Warriors are just faceless T&A) and it gets really rushed-looking.
 * The Hellraisiers were all pretty cheap, so it was ok. Drag Me... was quite expensive though, have you seen it?  HoE came out during that Freddy's Dead/Jason Goes to Hell era, so I shouldn't be surprised.  You're right, it felt like a jump-the-shark moment, which I wasn't expecting so soon.  Spencer's backstory was cool, although I already knew most of it from online sources.  It was nice to see it onscreen.  I wasn't keen on "pure Pinhead", although it made sense after Hellbound.  It felt like a way to dumb the character down so he fit the mindless violence slasher cliché that people wanted to see.  I was disappointed when he killed the airhead girl, it felt out of character for him.  Pinhead is kind of like the Hulk... he's an complex character but he doesn't really fit the role he's known for.  Just like Hulk is too unstable to be a true "superhero", Pinhead is too rational to really fit the mold of Freddy and Jason.  You can't do a straight slasher story with him.  How does he develop over the sequels?     Paul    730  15:00, 30 October 2009 (UTC)


 * Freddy's no camper than he was in FvJ. He is very camp but that's okay.  This is a silly crossover, so I don't expect them to take themselves too seriously.  Maybe Ash's dialogue feels forced to you because it lacks Bruce Campbell's performace?  Some review said that it was hard to portray the character without Campbell's natural charm.  Caroline is definitely a generic girlfriend character, but that's such a trope in the Evil Dead series that I can forgive it.  Ash burns through girlfriends at a rapid speed, in the Marvel crossover he hooks up with Dazzler.  I was hoping for him to hook up with Tina or Alice in Nightmare Warriors, but 5 issues in, it doesn't look like it.
 * Freddy can possess people and fester in their subconscious, so I don't think it's that contrived to have him influence Jason's actions while he's awake. Not saying it's good writing though.  Freddy's still manipulating Jason to this day, although it's more of a mutual deal than a trick.  I'm sorry you're not enjoying the series, I must admit, when I re-read it recently it's not as good as I remembered.  I still view it as an official entry in the series though, equal to the films rather than just a tie-in comic.  How about you?
 * Yeah, I got DMtH because I heard it was illegal for Evil Dead fans not to see it. It seems to have had great mainstream reviews.  I'm looking more forward to Trick r Treat.  With a few more sequels, I think Sam (the little trick or treater kid with the sack-mask) could have icon-potential.  He's just creepy looking.     Paul    730  18:58, 30 October 2009 (UTC)


 * He is ridiculously camp, but I can forgive it a little just cos of the nature of the story. This isn't a serious Nightmare story, it's fan indulgence (that said, Freddy was a lot better in FvJ than 4 - 6).  Yeah, Jason Craig's depiction of women kinda sickens me.  I mean, I don't mind a bit of T&A, but as you say, the characters are identical. It's worse in NW because we're supposed to be celebrating the return of these established characters, but we can't tell them apart.  I guess you're right about the metaphysics of Freddy's powers, but I'm just gonna fanwank it as being due to their "connection" or Jason's mental state or something.
 * I was just wondering because a lot of people think comic books automatically "don't count" because of their medium. I would argue that, since FvJvA was originally written as a film and continues the continuity of the series, it holds more value than the other comics.
 * Well, according to the film article, a sequel is already planned. Sam is already quite popular, and has a bunch of merchandise, action figures, tie-in comics, etc.  It's a cult movie but it's getting more popular, I heard about it through word-of-mouth.  I have high hopes for the series
 * I just finished watching the movie and I loved it. Beautiful atmosphere, smart plotting, likable characters, great twists, dark humour... just ticks all the boxes, tbh.  You once told me the anthology format doesn't work in horror films, but this definitely works.  It's not techincally an anthology, because it crosses over a lot like Sin City, but you get the idea.  Sam himself is a great little villain, he deserves to be an icon, whether it happens or not.  Definitely make this a priority.     Paul    730  23:17, 30 October 2009 (UTC)


 * The cabin scene was cool, though I would've liked to get a deeper glimpse into Ash's psyche. Maybe could've had a cameo from Cheryl and the others.  It always pissed me off that Ash has this dead sister he never mentions, although I guess that might be because she was written out of continuity (sorta) by EDII.  Not sure how far you've read, so no spoilers, but there's a nice scene where Ash expresses guilt over failing to protect Linda and Sugarbaby (some g/f from the AoD comics I'm not familar with).  It was nice to see some human emotion from Ash.
 * The first movie sat there for ages, but now there's a fanbase to market a sequel towards. From what I've heard, the movie's done well.  They could always do another straight-to-DVD movie.
 * Yeah, it's an anthology. The movie is about the inhabitants of a small town on Halloween, and jumps between random characters as they have their own, individual adventures.  Some of them are human, some are monsters.  They're all watched over by "Sam" (ie, samhain) as he makes sure they all follow the "rules" of Halloween, and punishes the ones who don't.  As usual with anthologies, there's a lot of twist endings to the stories, and it's very entertaining.  WB are morons, the movie kicks the arse of any horror movie released this decade.     Paul    730  23:53, 30 October 2009 (UTC)


 * Hey, this message is really late, I've been really busy lately. I watched Bloodline and Inferno during the week... Bloodline was interesting from a mythology perspective.  I liked the history it gave us on the box and the scale of the story.  You criticise "in space" sequels but the space/future aspect felt very natural IMO.  It was a lot less cheesy and ridiculous than Hell on Earth.  However, plot and character-wise, the movie was a little dull.  I didn't really care for Angelique or the toymaker (in any of his incarnations).  Inferno was interesting.  I liked how it dropped all the crap and just told a simple character-based story.  I also thought it was smart and brave (though I wonder whether it was intentional, or something to do with) to keep Pinhead to a minimum.  The Cenobites were creepier in this movie too.  It wasn't perfect... it dragged at points and was a little tame (felt more like CSI than Hellraisier), but this was a solid sequel IMO.  Kinda makes me wish they'd do cheap straight-to-DVD Halloween sequels, in addition to the big-budget theatrical releases.  Why not?  You could throw a bone to the Thornies.  I haven't had a chance to watch Drag Me to Hell yet (like I say, busy) but maybe tonight.     Paul    730  19:53, 7 November 2009 (UTC)


 * I'm not sure. As I said before, I think Hellraiser and Pinhead are quite strange, because their reputation causes you to lump them alongside Freddy and Jason, when they're actually rather different.  They don't fit the slasher formula, they're smarter than that.  I do like how the movies examine people's sadomasochistic and self-destructive impulses.  It's not some guy stabbing people, it's people destroying themselves.  That's kind of scarier and harder to watch, but also quite fascinating.  It's weird, when I watched the first two movies, I kinda wanted to see Pinhead go on an all-out slasher rampage, but when that actually happened in the later sequels, I found myself missing the more cerebral first two.  I never really "got" Hellraiser but I think it's starting to grow on me.  It's not as fun and likable as Halloween, Friday, and Nightmare, but it is good.  I think I slightly prefer the Child's Play series (more fun, although not as good) but I like it better than the Texas movies (which I'm not a big fan of).
 * Yeah, the art really does go to shit, there's no nice way to put it. It gets a lot worse in NW, sadly.  Wait... do you mean introducing Ash to the Friday/Nightmare verse didn't work, or it did work despite being absurd in theory?  I definitely think they did a good job of combining the universes, I really like how Ash, Jason, and Freddy are all literally linked through the Necronomicon now.  There's a nice sense of cohesion to it all.  How would feel about Pinhead joining them?  I think Freddy vs. Pinhead (both deal with human psychology) or Ash vs. Pinhead (I'd like to see some Cenobite/Deadite battles) might work, but Freddy vs. Jason vs. Ash vs. Pinhead would be total overkill, and I don't see Pinhead vs. Jason working. (Btw, I know I just said Pinhead doesn't fit the slasher mould, but his movies do have that "80s fantasy horror" tone to them, so they already feel like the same universe in a way.)    Paul    730  23:50, 7 November 2009 (UTC)


 * I'm not a big fan of the original Child's Play because, as you say, it's mostly mislead, but the sequels are very entertaining. I actually think a lot of those 80s slasher icons can effectively crossover.  Freddy and Jason were, frankly, made for each other.  They're like the Superman and Batman of horror, they just fit together so well.  Ash has a great rapport with them as well, especially as he's one of the few heroic horror icons.  I think Pinhead and Chucky could work as well.  Leatherface I'm not sure about... his world is too gritty and real to reconcile with the supernatural craziness of the other series.  Same with Michael Myers, although I think maybe Thorn Michael could work in a comic crossover.
 * Oh, here's something you'll like. In the last issue of S8, Buffy gained the ability to fly (how and why haven't been revealed yet) and they're having a bit of fun portraying her as Superman.  Not sure how I feel about Flying Buffy, we'll see how it goes.  There are some Smallville fans on that fourm complaining that even Buffy gets to fly before Clark does. :P    Paul    730  12:38, 10 November 2009 (UTC)


 * I think a Jason vs. Chucky story could be funny, just cos of the difference in size between them. I think an Ash vs. Pinhead story could work because opening the box would be the kind of dumbass thing Ash would do.
 * That issue isn't a final anything. It's the first issue of a new arc.  The series is 40+ issues long and that's only #32.  They're going to do a Season Nine though.  I'm wondering where S9 could go though, because Fray tells us that all magic and demons got banished from Earth and S8 looks to be leading up to that event (Joss wanted to use S8 to bridge the gap between the show and Fray).  So I guess S9 will either be set in another dimension, or will be about the Scoobies adjusting to a world without magic.  Weird.     Paul    730  14:47, 10 November 2009 (UTC)


 * You can get away with literally any crossover in comics, Ash is an expert in that. So long as you take a suitably tongue-in-cheek tone, it should work.
 * Well, currently the Scoobies and the Slayers have given up their powers, unknowingly sacrificing them to Tibetan goddesses. I think maybe Buffy's new flying ability is because she's gained the combined powers of everyone, including Willow.  I think the other characters are probably depowered permanently anyway, so the end of magic shouldn't affect them (ie, they shouldn't be banished to the other dimension).  I think maybe S9 will be about the Slayers learning to retain their strength without superpowers.     Paul    730  17:19, 11 November 2009 (UTC)

Supernatural
Hey. I've renominated Supernatural (season 1) for FA. Can you take a look when you get the chance? Ophois (talk) 12:08, 9 November 2009 (UTC)
 * If you don't have any other issues with it, can you list whether you support? Ω  pho  is  15:16, 11 November 2009 (UTC)

Smallville - Returning Characters
Is there anywhere to put that both Martian Manhunter and Zatanna will return to Smallville? Zatanna will be back in a future episode titled "Warrior", that I don't have any other information on yet.

I tried to put Martian Manhunter under the episode summary, but you didn't like it. I only put it there because The Wonder Twins are mentioned there, in a previous episode. TH43 (talk) 06:28, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

I thought I'd let you know there's an episode that will air between "Pandora" and "Society", even though Wikipedia doesn't like to use Krypton site, so you might want to ajust the episodes accordingly. TH43 (talk) 20:01, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

Smallville characters
Hey, I noticed that Characters of Smallville and all the character articles are Good Articles. You should nominate them as a good topic. Ω pho  is  13:00, 11 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Oh, every article has to be good article? Didn't know that. That will complicate things for Supernatural, lol. Anyways, also I added Blu-ray releases to the List of Smallville episodes. I found that season 5 and 6 were also released on HD DVD compatible with all regions, but can't think of a good way to integrate it. Ω  pho  is  13:10, 11 November 2009 (UTC)

Chat
(New section for your archive thingy) Scott Allie (Dark Horse Comics guy) warned fans that #30 would make them really angry. Then when they found out about the flying thing they were like "Is that it? We were expecting Xander to die or something." To be honest, I think people are caring less about the actual plot developments than about how loose and inconsistant the writing's been lately. I'm sure some old purists will complain that "it's not Buffy" without magic but I don't care. Buffys never had a solid status quo, it's constantly evolving with every season, which is what makes it such a great series. Major shake-ups tend to be permanent or long-lasting so I wouldn't expect the characters to get their powers back straight away.

2 hour episode? Is that good? That's longer than most movies. I remember back when I used to watch Nip/Tuck, Channel 4 started showing 2 episodes a night and I switched off because two hours of a show I only kinda liked was too much. You'd think a two-parter would've been smarter. That said, Buffy showed two episodes in a row before, but only for season openers/finales.

So I just watched Drag Me to Hell and I hated it. It's a bad, bad movie. The main character is bland and stupid, the story is clichéd and predictable, the special effects are embarassing (loads of cheap CGI throughout). The tone is completely inconsistant... one minute it's serious, then it's a Scary Movie-style spoof. There's no actual scares, just cheap shocks and gross-out scenes of old women puking in the heroine's mouth, that kind of thing. Whereas it was always fun to see Bruce Campbell get abused, it's just not the same here with whatsherface. Actually a lot of the stuff that worked in Evil Dead doesn't work here... because Evil Dead was a charming low budget 80s series, and this just feels like a crappy gross-out comedy with bad CGI. It would probably be entertaining if it wasn't so overrated... 92% at Rotten Tomatoes? Are you fucking kidding me? I was expecting a modern classic, not this rubbish. I dunno... you know I'm not a huge fan of Raimi's directing style (I think he's talented but he needs to reign himself in) so maybe I just didn't "get" it. I think you'll enjoy it more than I did.  Paul    730  00:00, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

Review RS question
Hey, in your opinion would this count as a RS for a review? This is sort of an archived version of his newest site. Although the site is run by the reviewer, he has contributed numerous reviews to the magazine Media Blvd. Ω pho  is  21:14, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

Orphaned non-free image (File:Justicecostumecompare.jpg)
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Reversion of Freddy
On what grounds was this reversion done on? I look forward to hearing back from you. Thanks. -- Mike Allen talk · contribs 18:47, 19 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your response. I didn't see the films being linked in the article. However, now that you've said that, I see they were in plain site via the "Overview" section.  I was looking for a "list" of the films. Again sorry for any issues this caused, I will be more careful next time.  ;-) Happy editing.  -- Mike Allen talk · contribs 00:33, 20 November 2009 (UTC)
 * No problem. I'm still a "newbie", so I like to know if I do something wrong, so it won't happen again. :-) -- Mike Allen talk · contribs 00:49, 20 November 2009 (UTC)

Interesting Info
I have found some interesting info you might be interested in. In the preview for the upcoming 'Aboslute Justice', episode they show two things. The first the appereance of Sandman. The second is being speculted as the appereance of the Green Lantern. The Sandman's face is actually shown, while the Green Lantern ring appears in a very quick screen cap. Here is the link-http://www.mania.com/green-lantern-smallville-absolute-justice_article_119081.html —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.34.177.211 (talk) 02:11, 22 November 2009 (UTC)

Dr. Fate
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dr._Fate

All of the characters don't have a "source" and as for him, other sites, which this one won't use, list him as Kent Nelson/Dr. Fate. He's the one who goes alongside Hawkman.

I find it interesting that other shows on here use many, many different sources for information and are found to be "reliable" but with Smallville, just the opposite. Even Kryptonsite, which is dedicated to Smallville and is 100% reliable for episode listings isn't right. Yes they change information around, but that's only because the CW changes it. TH43 (talk) 05:26, 22 November 2009 (UTC)

Schmeaters Proposition
Yo Bignole. Okay this is the deal I have seen your edits on Smallville you provide a good arguement I was hoping if you could help me clean up the Battle for the Cowl page and make it B-Class. Please reply back. Schmeater (talk) 03:41, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

br issue


Hello. I noticed you've been in an edit war with an IP user over where to put the coding. When I look at the template with the code in, it leaves the film before it the only one on its line, while the rest are on a new line (no pun intended to refer to "New Line Cinema"). Perhaps this IP sees it the same way. Regards, -- OsirisV (talk) 09:14, 27 November 2009 (UTC)


 * I'm currently using the Eee PC Asus, though the problem also occurs on average screen-sized Home PCs (that's pretty big). I'd suggest putting the code after the film title BEFORE the "problem" one.-- OsirisV (talk) 23:10, 28 November 2009 (UTC)