User talk:Bigpad/Archive 1

Notice board
Hi, just letting you know about the Northern Irish Wikipedians' notice board. Stu  ’Bout ye!  09:17, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

Irish border
Ok, that's fair enough. Derry Boi 11:51, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

Alexander McDonnell edit
McDonnell played for effectively what was regarded as the unofficial championship of the chess world. There are not too many people from Northern Ireland who are regarded as being one of the top two players in the world. Furthermore, former world chess champion Gary Kasparov's book My great Predecessors includes a McDonnell game as the first important game in chess.

Secondly, you said it was a revert, which was not strictly true as I only replaced part of what you had removed. I normally edit anonymously. Incidentally, it was me that created the very page that you moaned about me editing anonymously :). (unsigned comment)

Less "short" reply
User talk:SMcCandlish. Sorry if I sounded too brusque the first time. &mdash; SMcCandlish &#91;talk&#93; &#91;contrib&#93; ツ 00:38, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

Battlecruiser
Err, excuse me? You restored an error; you got reverted (by a longer-time user). If your explanation had said you were aiming to remove a spurious link then I would have recognised that you had made a mistake and only corrected what you missed. Wiki-Ed (talk) 15:46, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

Cuchullain
I did and I left my reasons on the talk page - it isn't a historical description. Cú Uladh is used as a personal name in Irish (or rather it was) BUT not for Cú Chulain. I think that this description should be included somewhere else not in the introduction which is talking about the Táin etc.

Half Bap
I'm mighty impressed by anyone who still knows what the Half Bap was! Gerry Lynch (talk) 02:15, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

1985 World Snooker Championship final
At what point would you say he stamps his foot? Mannafredo (talk) 09:39, 4 May 2010 (UTC)

George Best
Hi there. I think that your change strikes a fair balance. I thought that Bingham's considerataion of Best for 1982 was worth mentioning, although on reflection I agree that I put too great an emphasis on it in my original edit. I think it a terrible shame Best never played in the World Cup; his career coming at the wrong time, particularly when Northern Ireland qualified in 1958 and then back to back in 1982 and 1986. Very sad loss indeed. Thanks for taking my comments on board, and bringing the right balance to them.

All the best (no pun intended!)

Preview Button
If you are editing an article please use the preview button just next to the save button to have a preview of your changes. Look at the Bismarck article history: You created ~15 restoring points within an hour of editing. Two or three would have been enough. --Denniss 05:01, 12 January 2006 (UTC)

Image Tagging Image:Sdavis.jpg
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Reporting vandals
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Image copyright problem with Image:ReggieJackson HomeRun.jpg
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RE:ReggieJackson HomeRun.jpg
In reply to your email --

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Other image problems
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Re: stop vandalism
Given I am the one removing vandalism from the snooker page I would advise you to retract your accusation. Please check the snooker page history, Bigez was the one adding a load of chimp rubbish - something he has been warned for (by me once with a test4 - the warning you added to his user page was in the wrong place - warnings should go in the talk page, otherwise a user doesn't know they are there) and I removed his vandalism. Please check the sequence of events more carefully before you throw around accusations of vandalism. Thank you. SFC9394 10:18, 20 May 2006 (UTC)


 * That is quite alright - mistakes happen! In general when warning vandals it is easier to use the   templates.  They allow a standard warning form and ensure if a vandal doesn't cease then when reporting him to WP:AIV they can be quickly dealt with (if a vandal has the full 'suite' of test warnings and hasn't stopped then a block is straight forward).  An additional benefit of the templates are that they aren't too personal, sometimes with vandals if an informal warning is too personal then it may act as a form of a challenge to the vandal to defy it rather than cease.  Best wishes for your future editing. SFC9394 13:52, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

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disambiguation
You replaced the content of Abdul Salaam with a disambiguation page, and created a new page, Abdul Salaam (Guantanamo detainee), where you cut and pasted the old contents of the original Abdul Salaam article.

That is not the best way to create disambiguation pages. Cutting and pasting, like you did, obscures the edit history. You could have: This approach leaves the edit history, and the talk page, if it existed, easily accessible to future editors.
 * 1) moved the original  Abdul Salaam  to  Abdul Salaam (Guantanamo detainee) 
 * 2) You could then have edited the new article named  Abdul Salaam , which the move had created, and which started as a simple redirection to  Abdul Salaam (Guantanamo detainee) , and turned it into the disambiguation page.

You also forgot to add a disambiguation line to Abdul Salaam (football player).

Have a nice day. -- Geo Swan 13:37, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

edit history
If you really think it is important for the Abdul Salaam article serve as the disambiguation page, without screwing around with the edit history for the previously existing article, you will have to ask for the help of an administrator.

I have no objection, in principle, to it being the disambiguation page. However, you put this beyond the power of ordinary users.

Normally, as I explained before, if you or I, or any ordinary user, wanted to create an article for a second individual who shared the same name as someone who already had an existing article, one option would be to move the existing article to a qualified name -- thus preserving its edit history, and associated talk page, if any. But you close this option, by creating an article with the appropriate name. So, moving the article won't work now, because the target name already exists.

Please undo the changes you made today. -- Geo Swan 20:40, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

George Best
I found Bobby Charlton's quote pretty hard to place in the article. I felt that the paragraph should have ended with "Maradona good, Pele better, and George Best", rather than being (slightly) interrupted by Charlton.

bismarck
i only changed the "try and rescue" once, and yes it is necessary, because "try and rescue" is improper english. this is an encylopedia, and should be written like one. Parsecboy 20:46, 23 September 2006 (UTC)


 * I figured as much had happened; I didn't think you were purposely posting a faulty link or anything. Cheers. Parsecboy 15:48, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

Snooker: end of frame
Hi, What aspect of the above needed revising? I have reverted the last edit (not done by you by done on your prompting!, which only made a tricky enough section even more complicated. My wording was succinct, as opposed to a detailed explanation of every contingency bigpad 08:48, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
 * OK, I just thought a bit more detail could be added since I've always seen Wikipedia as the pursuit of collaborating as much knowledge as possible. I can see why such elaboration might not be too easy on the reader if you're reading it as a non-author or have no knowledge of the game (which of course many wouldn't when perusing the article). If you only meant to revert the last edit then I'm afraid you took out more than that, it's down to a barer format than when I padded it out. Just a question of finding a balance between being laconic and informative I guess. By "editing properly" I was referring more to a tinkering with the grammar/spelling of editors who had added to this section since you did, because some of it was a bit crap if you look at what I changed. Didn't mean to cause any offence. Kris 10:15, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Hi Kris, no offence taken or suggested! As you say, striking the balance between the casual browser and subject expert can be difficult. Maybe it wouldn't hurt to expand things a little, e.g. "A concession, when one player gives up due to being too far behind to have a realistic chance of winning the frame [without extra points from a large number of snookers]"
 * Something brief along these lines for the various scenarios might be ok. The only concern is that article is a little "dense" already and not that easy to follow. So we want to avoid making it any more like a Civil Service document. I keep an eye on it to try and cut down on unnecessary tinkering but it's always good to have additional feedback. All the best
 * No problems, I think the section says all it really needs to now as per this discussion – I made a couple of tweaks but nothing too pedantic I hope, feel free to change further. Cheers, Kris 12:53, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

Re: Snooker Page
On the wider issue of the article page I was glad to read your comments on the talk page. I think it would be nice to give the whole page a thoroughly good modernisation and clean up. Minor details of the rules such as:

If a player commits a foul, and his opponent considers that the position left is unattractive, he may request that the offender play again from that position.

is not what a reader wanting to find out about the game of snooker wants to read. The rules should be demerged into a separate article (if one doesn't already exist). There are loads of other things that could be tidied up/better explained/made to look better. I have a good few things running on WP at the moment but I will happily chip in a bit of work if you want to get the wheels moving (a full blown WIP page as I am shepherding for Physics may not be required, but it would be nice to gather a group of editors who can work together). It would also be good to work on this while there is a bit of extra interest during the season, with everything polished up for the World Championship starting. January sounds like a sensible time to start - the festive season being upon us some good WP time is hard to squeeze in at the moment! SFC9394 20:22, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

Orphaned fair use image (Image:39586555 davis203.jpg)
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Graeme Dott
Could you, please, send me the image you uploaded here, but which was subsequently deleted, to yvohofmans@yahoo.com? Extremely sexy 19:48, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

Nijinsky II
I removed your comment because it was not referenced. Any time you insert a quote as fact you must supply the sources (Citing sources) and they must be credible (Reliable sources). The comment on Lester Piggott is a a derogatory one and should never appear in an encyclopedia unless it can be properly documented. Out of courtesy to you, I left it in for the time being but inserted the proper notice. Thanx. Handicapper 15:10, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

P.S. You might be interested in my comments at Talk:Nijinsky II regarding Find A Grave.

According to Mr. Neil O'Connor of Timeform, Nijinsky's highest Timeform rating was 138. - Handicapper 14:12, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

It's a fair amount of work but I'll probably update the Timeform page in a day or two to sort out the Offical Timeform ratings from those reported by jockey.com or delete the latter pending their confirmation. Handicapper 17:25, 30 January 2007 (UTC) --

Copyright issue with Rinty Monaghan
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 * Hi, No problem. I have rewritten that page. Some of the information is additional or adds to work I created on Wiki (e.g. the Sailortown link or the name of the streer in which the subject lived). I am also from that district of Belfast and remember that the subject attended my grandfather's funeral in 1979. I was surprised that there was no Wiki page on Rinty, one of our city's sporting heroes, and was pleased to "create it", so to speak. Anyhow, if what's there does not meet the bill I doubt that anyone could rewrite it much differently, as the bare facts are true.


 * Incidentally, in the category "People from Belfast", I am listed under "P" instead of "M". How is this rectified? bigpad 19:59, 27 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the rewrite, and the great article! (I fixed the cat by typing Category:People from Belfast|Monagahan, Rinty.)  Pan Dan 20:22, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

Wrong address
Please remove your message from my talk page ASAP. You appear to be confusing me with User:Greglocock. Thanks. Pan Dan 21:16, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

I have responded to your um, message, on my talk page. I await further action with great interest. Greglocock 21:23, 31 January 2007 (UTC)


 * My apologies, Bigpad. I didn't read your message properly.  I genuinely thought you meant to leave that message on Greglocock's talk page, because I didn't read it through.  So anyway, to get to the substance of your request.  I'm not an admin so I can't really address the issue.  If you would like to get an admin's attention, I suggest you see List_of_admins.  Once again, I am very sorry for telling you to remove your message from my talk page.  I will put it back.  Take care,  Pan Dan 21:26, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

George Best
The myth that George Best is one of the greatest of all time is more of a local notion, or rather British if you will, than global. I appreciate the impact he had on the British psyche but outside the UK he is not universally viewed as one of the greatest of all time and can therefore not be labelled as such in the article - a pedigree one should use only very sparingly. Outside British sentiment, incl. misused and non-existent quotes attributed to Pele, there isn't very much to back this claim of being among the very greatest.

Don Revie
Much Kuds For Removing The Vandalism on Don's Page, however the 75 eurpoean cup final appearance for leeds was actually under Jimmy Armfield, don left in the summer of 1974 to manage england, I've corrected this on don's page. Chappy84 12:01, 10 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Of course it was: very silly of me, a Leeds man since 1972! Thanks for the message bigpad 12:35, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

Ninja throwing star comin' atcha!

 * Wow, Stanton, I am overwhelmed! Much appreciated. bigpad 14:51, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
 * You've done a lot of good work! It's well deserved.  However, and I mean this only constructively, lately (last couple of days) you seem to be forgetting (surely not ignoring!) some of the basics.  I urge you to review WP:V, WP:NOR, and WP:NPOV again.  Alex Higgins and many other snooker bios have very serious problems with all three of these core policies.  That you know personally that something is factual isn't enough; it has to be attributable to a citable source.  I don't think anyone's going to go on a deletion spree of every unsourced assertion in a snooker bio (yet), but the PoV and sourcing problems actually are seriously endangering many of these articles.  I'm suprised that many of them have not been targeted yet.  It is better to have a short but solid article than a long one filled with supposition, opinions, unproven allegations, and purported facts that the reader cannot be certain someone didn't just make up.  Articles of the latter variety get deleted, with extreme prejudice, every hour of every day.  And unsourced material can be preserved on the talk page until sourced, so it's not like it'll be lost.  Just some words to the wise.  ;-)  —  SMcCandlish &#91;talk&#93; &#91;cont&#93;   ‹(-¿-)› 17:42, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
 * PS: Compare Walter Lindrum (just short of Good Article status, because it mostly cites sources generally at the end instead of in-line) and Irving Crane (a G.A.), to Alex Higgins and some of the ones flagged with Magazine (which Alex Higgins probably should be), such as Ronnie O'Sullivan and Marlon Manalo. — SMcCandlish &#91;talk&#93; &#91;cont&#93;   ‹(-¿-)› 17:57, 18 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Hi again. Tell me, how does one cite frequent references on TV to the likes of that break Higgins had in 1982? I'm not such an anorak that I note this down every time I hear it or see a reference to it. And isn't the opinion of a world champion, Dennis Taylor, that a particular shot was "extra special", shall we say, evidence that it *was extra special? How is the reality of a snooker shot to be represented when it is on video? There appears to be no leeway given here when the reference is the viseo listed at the bottom of the page. And I don't understand your point about my having edited other snooker pages recently that apparantly betrays a POV. Which ones are you referring to? bigpad 18:31, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
 * TV: Template:Cite episode should do the trick; it's more intended for episodic television, like Friends or Stargate SG-1, but all the needed fields seem to be present. I took extensive notes while watching the WPBA Carolina Classic (women's nine-ball), and will be using this citation template shortly myself.  Taylor's opinion: Um, well, no. The thing to do here would be to directly quote him instead of generalizing it to a statement of fact about the excellence of someone or something.  I.e., quote what is provably factual (that Taylor said X about Y) and let his words speak for themselves; our readers are good at drawing conclusions. :-)  Describing a snooker shot: I'm honestly not sure I have a definitive answer to that.  I think some would label it original research, under the "novel synthesis" clause.  Others wouldn't.  It doesn't really come up much.  In this particular case, as I said elsewhere I think it's questionable that a nitty-gritty shot description is actually of encyclopedic (vs. snooker magazine) value; I'd say just drop that segment, and then there's no issue left.  If you do want a definitive answer to this, I think the question probably has to be asked elsewhere.  I'd recommend Wikipedia talk:Attribution, since WP:ATT is intended to replace WP:RS, WP:V and WP:NOR, and this question actually could touch on all three policies/guidelines. I.e., you'll probably get the most comprehensive and balanced answer there rather than at one of the separate pages. —  SMcCandlish &#91;talk&#93; &#91;cont&#93;   ‹(-¿-)› 09:27, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Forget that last sentence. I see that you didn't say that. One thing, though, it seems as if you are now my personal "guardian angel". But the problem is that I don't want one, even a good one!
 * Nothing personal. I'm one of the cue sports articles' guardian angels, and sometimes that means I do some hand-holding for a while, but I don't "spy" on people or anything.  I've already moved on from pointing you in a direction or two to now trying to rein in the overly ardent Bart Versieck, who means well but is adding enormous piles of WP:PEACOCK and WP:WEASEL to these articles. —  SMcCandlish &#91;talk&#93; &#91;cont&#93;   ‹(-¿-)› 09:27, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

In the Higgins' talk page, you mentioned dating the video, which I'll try and do. But it's listed as a BBC video, and the link is to the BBC website. Is there any doubt that it's genuine? bigpad 18:38, 18 April 2007 (UTC)


 * In that case the genuineness (mmm, that almost looks like Guinness doesn't it?) isn't the issue; it's simply a necessary bit of informativeness. Makes it concrete and ultimately more verifiable if that ever did become an issue to someone, as opposed to "Well, it was, um, I dunno, back when, sometime." Heh. —  SMcCandlish &#91;talk&#93; &#91;cont&#93;   ‹(-¿-)› 09:27, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

Excellent cleanup, by the way, with the de-gunking edits of the last few hours; Alex Higgins in particular was greatly improved. The one that probably needs it most is Ronnie O'Sullivan. I worked on it for about an hour already, but it's still in really bad shape and I'm dead tired so I'm leaving it to others to try to repair it. — SMcCandlish &#91;talk&#93; &#91;cont&#93;   ‹(-¿-)› 09:27, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

Schtubs
Can you please not remove stub tags from articles like Mark Selby; at only 9 sentences and no sources (other than a misformatted one for winnings), it can't be anything but a stub. :-) Its important that those stay on there, since their stub categorization tells WP:SNOOKER that these artices are in dire need of further work. —  SMcCandlish  &#91;talk&#93; &#91;cont&#93;  ‹(-¿-)› 07:50, 1 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Ok Stanton, no worries. I've work to do to that page but it's one of many! bigpad 08:56, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

Alex Higgins
Hi Bigpad, I'm sure you are aware of this,, will let it alone for now, but it will have to be addressed. Thanks Regards --Domer48 12:39, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

QUB McMordie/Mandela
Hi, took the liberty of adding a different citation RE McMordie/Mandela, from an article on the QUB website. Hopefully, it'll meet with User:The Fashion Icon's approval, as it would be a shame to have an edit war over a relatively small matter. (Not that I felt the original cite was lacking.) Mark H Wilkinson 13:13, 9 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Much obliged. The other guy was playing silly buggers over a minor matter and I would have referred it to an administrator if he had persisted with his unreferenced revisions. bigpad

Mark Gastineau
Hi, I've asked user "Caltas" why he effectively undid my revisions of that page, meaning that your reversion to his edit has restored the full-of-superlative content that was there before I did my edit! bigpad 19:08, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
 * It can at times be difficult to distinguish between legitimate edits that remove a lot of content and vandalism when no edit summary is specified, especially when the edit is made by an anonymous user (you weren't logged in at the time of the edit). The best way to handle this (whether you're logged in or not) is to include a detailed edit summary with your revision, and if it still gets reverted, then simply let the person who reverted know on his or her talk page, as you have done. Talmage 19:11, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Maybe it wasn't you who was anonymous. It looks as if we were trying to rollback edits made by 66.210.114.195.  It may have been your edits were inadvertently overridden in the process.  Sorry, it happens sometimes when trying to monitor literally hundreds of pages for vandalism.  Let me know if I can help any. Talmage 21:34, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
 * I'll try to keep an eye on the page. What you'll need to do in cases of vandalism is give the user a specific final warning if vandalism continues, such as  .  See warnings.  If the user continues to vandalize, you can request an administrator block the vandal here.  However it's usually important that the vandal first receive a final warning, or only warning template before an administrator will be willing to block.  You could facilitate warnings and administrator requests with Twinkle if you'd like.  It doesn't require any installation, only modification of some Wikipedia settings, assuming you aren't using Internet Explorer.  Talmage 06:08, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

Gastineau revisited
I see your point about the pattern of vandalism by the anonymous editor. I gave a uw-vandalism4 warning today and cautioned them that any further disruptive edits from that address may be grounds for an immediate block. Please advise (or report to WP:AIV) if the editor comes back. —C.Fred (talk) 21:07, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

WikiProject Snooker request
As a member of WikiProject Snooker, it is requested that you watchlist at least the following pages: Keeping in touch with the rest of the team via the project pages, and keeping an occasional eye on core articles will go a long way to strengthening the project and protecting the articles. Thank you for your time and attention. —  SMcCandlish  &#91;talk&#93; &#91;cont&#93; ‹(-¿-)› 03:05, 28 July 2007 (UTC)
 * WikiProject Snooker - if the project members do not pay attention to changes at the project page, especially its talk page, effective collaboration will be nearly impossible and the project would eventually fail.
 * WikiProject Snooker/Wanted snooker bios - this is an important part of the project's to-do list.
 * Snooker - our main article, frequently subject to vandalism and nonsense edits that (historically) have sometimes taken hours or even an entire day to be fixed
 * Snooker season 2006/2007 - another important article
 * Snooker world rankings 2006/2007 - another important article
 * One or more player articles of your choice that you'd like to "adopt" as a guardian against vandalism, PoV-pushing, etc.


 * Will do Stanton and glad to help. bigpad 16:34, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

KM or miles
I left a message on the border talk page. I can see the point but side with the MOS (I found the relevent section). --sony-youth pléigh 20:12, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

Lough Neagh in the British Isles or not.
Hello - I see you've participated in the TalkPage discussion at Lough Neagh. I have created a table of the different contributors and their views/arguments about the geographical description to be applied. I am proposing that, if there is a clear consensus then the article is modified to reflect the consensus amongst editors. I am notifying each of the people I've identified as having been interested of this fresh opportunity to reach a consensus and settle this matter. Wikipedia has a policy on canvassing, please do not breach it with actions that are, or could be seen as being, partisan. PRtalk 07:22, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

Bernard Montgomery
Hi, I reverted because I thought it was an unnecessary qualification. There are no other sources to suggest that Montgomery thought differently about his origins (some sources suggests that there are others with a contrary view), the quote is from a reliable, verifiable source, and there is nothing to suggest that the Inish Times made it up to follow a particular agenda (and what else are newspapers but things for recording what people said and did?). If you have a source that implies that Montgomery did not think this way himself in this way then great, but if not then this is the best information that we have at the moment. MAG1 21:24, 28 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Yes, I see where you're coming from re 'other sources' but the important point is that the Irish Times does not quote its source as to Montgomery's "Irishness". Thr reliability of newspapers is open to debate, even one as good as the IT. On what basis did it make this very big assertion: possibly from a website? There is no way that this statement can be left unchallenged, even if there's no problem is saying sth like "one significant source states that ....", as you are right to say that there are no contrary sources at the moment bigpad 14:27, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

Bismarck
The Imperial War Museum disagrees, which is a bit odd. Perhaps it would be better to say something like Bismarck firing during the Battle of the Denmark Straits to remove the contention? Benea 11:39, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
 * None of us are infallible I suppose, and the IWM is no exception. I'm happy to assume it's a mistake on their part then.  Kind regards, Benea 12:10, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

Syd Millar
I've just made a small change to the references section - if you have ref in the main text with a footnote, you don't need to worry about repeating the URL link in the references section, it will go there automatically.

On the BBC story I linked to it gives his name as "John Sydney Millar" but I have to admit that I have never seen John in connection with him anywhere else - do you have any idea about this? Is is true?--Bcp67 (talk) 07:50, 14 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Hi there and thanks for fixing-up the refs bit: I always have problem with them!


 * The UK honours list from mid-2005, when he got his CBE, lists him as Sydney Millar http://www.gazettes-online.co.uk/ViewPDF.aspx?pdf=57665&geotype=London&gpn=8&type=Supplement
 * I asked Jim Stokes, who wrote that article, there now and he says his source was another journalist or news website. I suggest this is much more unreliable than the UK government (effectively) and so have removed the "John" from this article: ok? All the best, bigpad (talk) 10:55, 14 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Thanks for making the change. I took the "John" from the BBC article I included but my main reference book (John Griffith's Phoenix Book of International Rugby) just says Sydney and he always shows in team listings as "S.Millar" so I don't think "John" is verifiable either.--Bcp67 (talk) 20:03, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

Re: Stephen Hendry
I'll keep an eye on it - I agree the proposed changes, although only minor in terms of size, are not really of the correct tone for an unbiased statement of facts - the last thing wikipedia needs or wants is fan advocacy creeping into these articles. SFC9394 (talk) 21:46, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

Ronnie O'Sullivan
The O'Sullivan page is very sensationalist, probably due in part to his 'colourful' nature. Good luck in cleaning in up although I suspect you'll run into very persistent resistance. I've lost count of the number of times I've reversed an edit on that page because it was just plain factually wrong or a POV statement and then come back and found it back in. WalterMitty (talk) 05:39, 25 December 2007 (UTC)

Bismarck (2)
Do you mind if I copy your messages to me in Bismarck's Talk? I think it merits public discussion. Best wishes Pol098 (talk) 13:13, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

External links on Sarbanes-Oxley Act
Hi Bigpad, I'm afraid I agree that the external link you are placing on Sarbanes-Oxley Act is not appropriate. It links to a page that tells us that a study is underway. Its plausible that the report at the end of the study could have a place as a source for that article, but a link to a page saying the study exists adds nothing of substance to the article and simply isn't appropriate. Best, Gwernol 20:49, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, I certainly have to agree with you about the quality of the article. It needs some serious work. I keep it on my watchlist because it seems to be a bit of a spam magnet. I'm not about to swim in those shark-infested waters either, at least not yet :-) Best, Gwernol 21:02, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

Heads up
That anonymous IP user from the Dublin area has also been POVing on the Aoife Hoey, Sharon Foley, and Siobhán Hoey articles. I have been one of the few people who have confronted him about his vandalism and POVing, but this user is very persistent on this. This has now included a personal attack. Below are several links from the Dublin ISP user shown below: Do we have a previous issue with a sockpuppet account that is Irish based? It makes you wonder. Chris (talk) 14:39, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
 * 213.190.141.211, 84.203.1.58, 194.125.97.208, 213.202.149.105, 213.190.141.210, 213.202.132.52, 194.125.98.62, 194.125.52.12, 212.2.170.84, 194.125.76.92, 194.125.21.131, 213.202.183.229, 213.202.174.145, 194.125.71.53, and 78.16.67.220.
 * I sent it into an administrator during the Aoife Hoey controversey a couple of weeks ago, but I was told to hold off because of the article discussion. At least four other administrators are aware of this issue and are keeping tabs on this though. Chris (talk) 21:26, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

Re: Mark Williams
Ok, we obviously have differing views on the way the article should be - but its not a big deal on this particular issue. Anyway i'd like to say that I appreciate your contributions, and that I will try to add references and resources for the article. Samasnookerfan (talk) 19:48, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes my mind is full of snooker results and stuff, i've watched snooker since I was 7 and I know everything about it. Thats why I add it to wikipedia as at least it may serve some kind of purpose! Samasnookerfan (talk) 17:17, 21 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Hi bigpad I have been working hard on the Mark Williams article adding references and putting it in some kind of order, and adding parts esspecially to the 'early career' section. I'd like to know what you think of it, as the article was pretty poor and I hope its made a noticeable improvement. Samasnookerfan (talk) 18:31, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your reply. Yes I see what you mean after all there the results to look at on seperate articles. Samasnookerfan (talk) 22:38, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

Steve Davis
Hi, I noticed your recent edit to undo a load of things I did to the Davis article. I just wanted to let you know that I'm pushing this article to featured status and as such I need to remove wordiness, abbreviations that aren't explained, non-encyclopaedic language and I must provide citation for all assertions of fact. Perhaps you'd consider working with me to improve the article which, currently, is in a very poor state. The Rambling Man (talk) 10:06, 25 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Hi there, I think the point about the article is that you've queried almost every claim made. That would be fine if no references were provided, but there is an extensive "Notes and References" section at the bottom. An enclo. must be just that, but it also has to read well. To follow the line you have taken would mean that all articles of the top snooker players would need a substantial overhaul and would not look the part. What is an article to be: is it a PhD, where every substantial claim has to be footnoted? It think not but I am def. not an expert on wider Wiki. policy. The Davis article is actually not bad and is factually very accurate, but I'm sure improvements can be made, which I'll certainly help with. But I can't agree that it needs every point cited and footnoted, as appears would be the case through the approach you are suggesting? All the best, bigpad (talk) 13:08, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Hello again bigpad, thanks for your response. I believe all snooker articles do need a major overhaul.  There's not a single featured or A class article between them and pretty much anyone can write a B-class article providing no references and without writing decent prose!  I'm 100% certain the article is perfectly accurate but like many snooker articles (e.g. all the tournaments, rankings etc) there's little or no evidence to prove it.  And under scrutiny, particularly at WP:FAC, this wil be the downfall of the candidacy!  I believe that a lot of Davis' stuff can be cited using online sources (which I'm starting to do) but perhaps you have some paper references we can use?  In either case I'd really appreciate your help in getting the article improved (which I think, despite the odd cn, it already is!)... Cheers. The Rambling Man (talk) 13:27, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

Bismarck
This was not intended to dispute the manor of her demise, just that she sank. Sank is neutral is it not? It does not imply she was sunk, or that she was scuttled. No? Dapi89 (talk) 12:10, 13 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Hi again, believe it or not, despite your intentions being quite clear, "sank" is not quite 'neutral' enough, in that it implies that it was not sunk. "Lost" is the normal way of referring to a ship that goes down at sea, under whatever circumstances, and is the best word. The question of the sinking produces quite emotive words on occasions. All the best, bigpad (talk) 14:23, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

I always try to keep an eye on the ship page and fix things. I am fairly proud of that little compromise. Narson (talk) 18:39, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

Luftwaffe Commander
Please note that Oberst Martin Harlinghausen was not just a pilot at that time. He was a commander of the Luftwaffe's Atlantic division. I believe someone of that standing should be mentioned, if only briefly. I don't understand why the reverting of such material is damaging to the article. If anything the article misses out a mass of detail and needs to be expanded. It's quite poor as it stands. Dapi89 (talk) 13:40, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

I disagree. I am not adding information "that did not happen"! The events discribed in that section, aside from the proposed He 111 attack on the British ships, all happened. It is not a speculative section at all. Furthermore, it is a bit difficult to claim it is speculative when the sinking section in particular, not to mention the assumptions made about Lütjens intentions (that are in other related articles as well). The mass of information on second thoughts is more detail than wikipedia allows. But a glaring error is the failure to mention that Bismarck failed to refuel when she had the chance. Also not mentioned, until I put it in, was the fortunate episode U-556, which had spent its torpedeos - which I have now added. The failure to mention the rescue of 5 suriviors by U-Boat is also significant (if the Brit survivors of Hood are deemed worthy enough to mention then they should too). This notion that Bismarck's boilers were working is semi-false. Salt water was getting into the feeding lines which could have blown up. Then of course was the fracture of the main steam pipes - a case made worse by continuous firing during the night. Also the failure to mention that Lutjens had been reported to by Group West on 25 May RN ship was following him, yet he continued to believe he was so. It also fails to mention that Bismarck could have been brought to battle much sooner, had it not been for Tovey's errors which gave Lutjens a 150 mile advantage. Regards Dapi89 (talk) 19:30, 20 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Hi again, other than the point about refuelling, about which I obviously read your mind!, these points are not critical but can be added without problem since they are useful. I need to check, too, to see whether Bismarck actually received the message from Group West about not being tracked by British rader. I'ver a feeling she didn't. And where are the boliers referred to? I don't see what you're getting at here unless it's in that section re "criticism of design" which I hate but recognise is valid. Are you speaking of what isn't mentioned, but which I'll add, that the ships' engines were undamaged when she went down? All the best, bigpad (talk) 20:17, 20 March 2008 (UTC) {Sorry, the bit about the engines working fine is there bigpad (talk) 20:27, 20 March 2008 (UTC)}

Scharnhorst, Hood, Gneisenau
Hi.

Could I get some help from you on these pages as an expert on Naval stuff. I have a problem with an editor you might or might not be familiar with, I keep having to revert his edits which are deeply silly, and insists on continuing an edit war. He is an edit war veteran, does not compromise and won't listen. Perhaps you could help. Dapi89 (talk) 17:32, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

Stonehenge dates
Something's not quite right here, as the dates for the bluestones (which you added to Newgrange don't work with the dates of the trilithons (which was what was mentioned in the Newgrange article). I've reverted your edit because it was using the new bluestone dates but the paragraph was about the trilithons. I'll be interested to see how this plays out. Doug Weller (talk) 10:39, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

Oil tanker
Hey Bigpad. You have just added that the Myrina was the largest vessel in 1967 with more than 193,000 and the Esso Northumbria in 1969 with 252,000 tons. However, in 1966 the Idemitsu Maru was launched with 206,006 tons and in 1968 the Universe Ireland with 326,000 tons. Regards, BoH (talk) 15:50, 5 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Hi, if you can find a ref. to back that up, please revert my edits (other than maybe the bits about the largest ships launched via a slipway). Thanks, bigpad (talk) 20:07, 5 October 2008 (UTC)


 * For the Idemitsu Maru, see here, for the Universe Ireland see here. Regards, BoH (talk) 22:30, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

Hi again, I have removed the info. I inserted, as the data are incorrect. Thanks for letting me know. bigpad (talk) 09:22, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

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Higgins
Hi. I've left a response on my page to your apostrophic question. Cheers MrMarmite (talk) 19:27, 30 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Further note left on my talk page. Also, have a look at http://search.bbc.co.uk/search?uri=%2F&scope=all&go=toolbar&q=Higgins%27s  MrMarmite (talk) 19:47, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

re:Bismarck
Hi. That's a good point about the changes I made to the intro. At the time, I was thinking that since the US wasn't in the war yet, and Lend Lease had only begun a couple of months earlier, most convoys still would have been coming from Canada. I came up with what I think is a better wording, more along the lines of what you suggest. What do you think? Regards, Parsecboy (talk) 20:31, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

Maximum break
Re your edit to this article. Question: what is the highest break than can be scored in snooker. Answer: 155. Succinct and accurate, without embellishment. Thank you very much, give me the box of chocolates. But then of course, there are people who prefer verbosity. Pity, lowers the standard of Wiki IMMHO. Kaiwhakahaere (talk) 00:18, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

Shankill Butchers
Hello. I reverted your edit to the above page. The changes you made are not referenced but can be checked if you care to do so. Thank you. Billsmith60 (talk) 13:37, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

Alex Higgins nationality
We have a persistent editor changing his nationality to "British" in the Infobox. Can you keep an eye on it please. Betty Logan (talk) 13:02, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

You may want to contribute to this discussion: Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Snooker. Some editors are insisting that the Ulster flag shouldn't be used to identify Northern Irish players. To be honest I'm not even sure of my own opinion of this. the one thing I am sure about is that whatever is done (if anything!) it should be agreed upon and applied universally rather the changes being made to individual articles on a haphazard basis otherwise we will have inconsistencies everywhere. Betty Logan (talk) 22:52, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

Please read the instructions
with regards to this edit. Also, I would discourage you from taking this article directly to an A-Class review, it would crash and burn. My recommedation is to list the article for a peer review through the Military history WikiProject, which you can do via reading the directions at WP:MHR. -MBK004 05:13, 30 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Hi there, I'd also recommend listing it for peer review if you are thinking of working on it. A PR would give you issues to address without the time constraints of A-class or featured article candidacies. If you would like, I'd be happy to show you how to list Hood for PR or I can list it there for you. All the best, — Ed   (talk  •  contribs)  20:19, 31 October 2009 (UTC)
 * If you were simply looking for a reassessment of the current article to B, then here is the page you are looking for. :-) Cheers, — Ed   (talk  •  contribs)  20:29, 31 October 2009 (UTC)

Talkback
Sorry, but the article will not be reassessed. Comments are available to help improve the article. If you would like more, please let either me or Ed know and we can initiate a peer review of the article for you. -MBK004 04:23, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

Talkback
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Talkback
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question

 * hello bigpad!


 * i have got a question to you!


 * Why did you delete my edit in the article German Battleship Bismarck?


 * kind regards --LP mAn (talk) 13:35, 9 April 2010 (UTC)

ISLES project
Hi Bigpad, I have proposed the article ISLES project for deletion via prod, as I don't think it qualifies as a notable project, and there are no third-party sources suggesting that it is indeed notable. It may be worth mentioning under the relevant renewablees articles ( eg Renewable energy in Scotland), or under Interreg, though I'm not sure if it can stand alone. Perhaps you can find some more refs to back it up? Thanks, Jonathan Oldenbuck (talk) 09:31, 26 April 2010 (UTC)
 * I think the news release you linked to establishes notability reasonably well. Please add it then feel free to remove the prod tag. It would be even better if you can find any news stories which picked up on the release (I had a quick look at the BBC but found nothing there). Thanks, Jonathan Oldenbuck (talk) 12:34, 27 April 2010 (UTC)

Power Snooker
Hi. A new stub, Power Snooker, has been added. It has ben suggested that this stub be merged to main article Snooker. Editors are invited to go to Talk:Power Snooker and leave their views in the debate.Kudpung (talk) 03:39, 24 July 2010 (UTC)

Ted Lowe
Hi Bigpad

Notwithstanding your reinsertion of the recent death template with instructions not to delete it, I have removed the template per its documentation. The template is not for all articles on people who have recently died, but only for those articles that are being extensively edited (a threshold is given in the docs, and the instant article's editing comes nowhere close to that).

Regards, Bongo  matic  01:14, 2 May 2011 (UTC) Should you wish to reply, please do so here. I will watch this page for a few days, so no talkback or other comment on my talk page is required.
 * No problem! bigpad (talk) 10:59, 2 May 2011 (UTC)

Talk:Steve Davis/GA1
Steve Davis is going through a GA review, and is on hold for 14 days to allow time to deal with the issues listed on the review page.  SilkTork  *Tea time 13:16, 10 May 2011 (UTC)

Your reversion of my edit to "German battleship Bismarck"
Hi. I don't agree with your reversion of my little edit at "German battleship Bismarck". Firstly, linking to "Eire" is flat-out wrong, as it's a redirect to the correctly-spelled "Éire" (which spelling you used in the body of the article's text anyway). Secondly, the article "Éire" is not the appropriate target for the text in question, as it's essentially a discussion of the name "Éire", rather than an article about the Irish state. Thirdly, I partially accept your point that "RoI not formed until after War", in that the name is anachronistic for WW2; but that's why I used "Irish" in the text itself. The "Republic of Ireland" is unambiguously the same state as that which existed earlier in the 1940s, and that's what's relevant for the purposes of the Bismarck article.

I shall leave off reverting your revert, pending your thoughts on the above.

Cheers, Andrew Gwilliam (talk) 00:25, 21 June 2011 (UTC).

Categories for discussion nomination of Category:St. Malachy&#39;s College alumni
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Proposed deletion of ISLES project
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I wanted to let you know that I’m proposing an article that you worked on, ISLES project, for deletion because I don't think it meets our criteria for inclusion. If you don't want the article deleted:


 * 1) edit the page
 * 2) remove the text that looks like this:
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Bismarck was the first of two Bismarck-class battleships built for the German Kriegsmarine. Named after Chancellor Otto von Bismarck, the primary force behind German unification in 1871, the ship was launched on 14 February 1939 and commissioned in August 1940. Bismarck and her sister ship GERMAN BATTLESHIP Tirpitz were the largest battleships ever built by Germany, and two of the largest built by any European power. Bismarck conducted only one offensive operation, in May 1941. The ship, along with the heavy cruiser GERMAN CRUISER Prinz Eugen, was to raid Allied shipping from North America to Great Britain. The two ships were detected several times off Scandinavia, and British naval units were deployed to block them. At the Battle of Denmark Strait, Bismarck destroyed the battlecruiser HMS Hood (51), the pride of the Royal Navy, and forced the battleship HMS Prince of Wales (53) to retreat. After two days of relentless pursuit by the Royal Navy, she was attacked by torpedo bombers from the aircraft carrier HMS Ark Royal (91) and her steering gear was rendered inoperable. In her final battle the following morning, Bismarck was neutralised by a sustained bombardment, was scuttled by her crew, and sank with heavy loss of life. UcuchaBot (talk) 23:02, 26 January 2014 (UTC)

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