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Burton Shipley
Bigredlance, have located any sources to establish Burton Shipley at Marshall in 1917–18? Thanks, Jweiss11 (talk) 02:13, 4 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Yep, right here (https://mds.marshall.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?filename=8&article=1012&context=yearbooks&type=additional) Bigredlance (talk) 05:05, 5 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Thanks. This document only mentions "Shipley".  There's nothing there to specifically ID this as Burton Shipley. The Marshall media guide lists their 1917 coach as "Carl Shipley". Jweiss11 (talk) 06:54, 5 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I pointed to the wrong one. Here's the smoking gun -- https://mds.marshall.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?filename=1&article=1012&context=yearbooks&type=additional. I went ahead and added this reference to the Burton Shipley page.
 * Looks good. I just found another source on newspapers.com to support this. Jweiss11 (talk) 03:05, 6 March 2019 (UTC)

Couple more formatting points
Bigredlance, thanks for your continued efforts to pump out these coach bio articles. I have couple more formatting points for you. First, for active coaches, like Allan Holland Jr., don't forget the current fields toward the top of the infobox. Second, tenure navboxes (playing, coaching, and administrative) should all be sorted in chronological order. See Robert Kyle. Jweiss11 (talk) 15:15, 18 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Excellent! Didn't realize that about the navboxes. The Categories at the bottom, though, should I still put those in semi-alphabetical order? Thanks, Bigredlance (talk) 02:16, 20 March 2019 (UTC)

George H. Garrey
I expanded the stub of George H. Garrey quite a bit with a public domain source: it seems college football was a relatively minor aspect of his life, per subsequent biographies. A good article, even a short one, should be balanced across the life of the subject per WP:PROPORTION. I also couldn't verify Garrey being a coach of anything, let alone the University of Wisconsin–Stevens Point: the source you cited merely mentions being a captain in high school, and serving as acting captain on the University of Chicago team. Was this a mistake, or does another source mention this? Cheers, --Animalparty! (talk) 07:35, 18 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Thank you for expanding the stub. Those are fair comments. I guess my justification for writing about his sports background was two-fold: (1) He was - even if just for a brief time - a head football coach at institution that is currently NCAA and/or NAIA sanctioned. This meets the commonly-accepted WP:GNG threshold as laid out by the WP:CFB community. (2) His biography was listed in the book titled "Who's Who in American Sports". I felt that this added an additional layer of legitimacy. As for the link, that is a fair criticism. I guess what I was going for was that he was linked to the game of American football. I should've made my reference links more concise. I will look into getting this clarified in the article. Thanks again for adding some information to that entry. Your help is appreciated.Bigredlance (talk) 03:52, 12 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Just seeing this discussion now. Found some more sources from Newspapers.com on Garrey.  He was an assistant coach for the 1902 Chicago Maroons football team.   Bigredlance, how did you connect Garrey to Wisconsin–Stevens Point?  Was that just a guess from the "Mr. Garrey" listed in  the Wisconsin–Stevens Point media guide? Jweiss11 (talk) 01:02, 21 October 2019 (UTC)

More odds and ends
Bigredlance, a couple more odds and ends:


 * When you create new bio articles, can you include the image, apt, and caption fields for Infobox college coach? Those should get populated at some point by some editor, so it's make sense to include those by default.  See my edits at Bill Hollinger.


 * Second, why do you list "December 30, 2018" for the retrieval date for just about all of the sources you cite? Keeping those up-to-date to reflect when they are actually last accessed to build or improve an article will help other editors better understand the development of that article.

Thanks, Jweiss11 (talk) 00:49, 22 April 2019 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the head's up. I included the image, apt, caption on all my pages now. The December 30, 2018 date is the date that I last downloaded a bunch of information from a spreadsheet that I had. I always re-check the information on the day that I create the pages, so it would probably be wise for me to update access-date to the date that I actually create the page.Bigredlance (talk) 03:39, 12 May 2019 (UTC)

Johnny Thomas (American football, born 1957)
Bigredlance, where did you find the DOB (October 19, 1956) for Johnny Thomas (American football, born 1957)? If it's correct, the article should be renamed accordingly. Thanks, Jweiss11 (talk) 02:45, 24 April 2019 (UTC)
 * I lifted it from his own C.V. http://sacs.alcorn.edu/standards/3.4.11/Education%20&%20Psychology/Thomas.pdf Bigredlance (talk) 03:40, 12 May 2019 (UTC)

Jim F. Law
Bigredlance, how's it going? What was your source for the DOB and full name for Jim F. Law? I found a 1922 article talking about "James E. Law" being hired at Lincoln. Morgan State's records list a "Jim F. Law". Jweiss11 (talk) 00:46, 12 May 2019 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of A. D. Kenamond


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 * Hello, and thank you for the input. I'd urge you not to delete this page. According to the WP:CFB wikiproject community, any head coach for an NCAA or NAIA program is considered to have satisfied WP:GNG.Bigredlance (talk) 01:44, 18 July 2019 (UTC)

Access dates in references
Bigredlance, looks like the access-dates in your references have frozen again, this time on June 18, 2019. These dates should reflect when you actually accessed the source, presumably around the time you made the related edits. Thanks, Jweiss11 (talk) 02:46, 30 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the heads up. I'll get that fixed.Bigredlance (talk) 03:08, 30 August 2019 (UTC)

Great. Some other items:


 * In references, when the source is a periodical, like the The Boston Globe, it should be put in the newspaper field of the cite news template, not the publisher field. The newspaper field will properly italicize it.
 * College football and basketball teams are not really publishers. When you're using a source from university athletics site, it best to scroll down to the footer of the page and see how the content is copyrighted.  It will usually be copyrighted as the university/college as a whole or the university/college's athletic department.
 * If an article is categorized as a college athlete, e.g.Category:Northeastern Huskies football players, it should not also be categorized as an alumnus of that school, e.g. Category:Northeastern University alumni, as the latter category is a parent category of the former.

See my edits at Jim Murphy (American football) on these items. Jweiss11 (talk) 02:52, 31 August 2019 (UTC)

High school football coach categories
Bigredlance, heads up, Category:High school football coaches in the United States and Category:High school basketball coaches in the United States have been broken up by state now, so articles should be placed in the specific state subcategories, where possible. Thanks, Jweiss11 (talk) 04:31, 15 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Excellent Bigredlance (talk) 14:42, 16 October 2019 (UTC)

William Edward Morrison
Bigredlance, happy Thanksgiving. Do you think Edward Morrison (American football) might be Lincoln's coach in 1927 and 1928? See: Template:Lincoln Lions football coach navbox. Jweiss11 (talk) 03:40, 1 December 2019 (UTC)

More odds and ends
Bigredlance, a few more items on the bio articles. First, when citing sources from Newspapers.com, it's best practice to clip the articles and link to the clipping, not just the page of the newspaper in question. Clippings are viewable to anyone, not just those who have a subscription. See Newspapers.com. Second, titles of articles that appear in all caps should be converted to title case. See my edits at Bill Caldwell (American football) on those two items. Also, the in case of active coaches, can you arrange the infobox fields as they display and be sure to include the current record and contract fields? See my edits as Jim Clements (American football). Finally, you seem to leave some irregular spaces in the birth/death date and place field in all the instances of Infobox college coach that you create. Can you just leave one space after each equal sign? Thanks all always and happy holidays. Jweiss11 (talk) 20:50, 15 December 2019 (UTC)

L. N. Morris
Bigredlance, do you think L. N. Morris, Lehigh's head coach in 1896, could be Ira Nelson Morris, which User:Connormah suggested back in 2012? I found this article, which indicates that the Morris who coached Lehigh in 1896 was a Yale grad. any thoughts here? I haven't been able to find much else on Newspapers.com to definitively prove the connection. Thanks, Jweiss11 (talk) 00:56, 15 January 2020 (UTC)

William R. Blair
Bigredlance, looks like William Blair (American football) is the same person as William R. Blair. Jweiss11 (talk) 15:17, 17 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Wow, Thank You!! Can't believe I didn't catch this.Bigredlance (talk) 03:54, 18 January 2020 (UTC)

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Ways to improve Don Stalwick
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Coacjes
I see you make college coaches pages so I was wondering if you could make one for Bob Fraser Bigmike2346 (talk) 19:56, 15 May 2020 (UTC)

?? Bigmike2346 (talk) 15:04, 17 May 2020 (UTC)
 * I can put it in my queue. I usually just do guys who served as head coaches, but he looks like an interesting fellow.Bigredlance (talk) 18:08, 18 May 2020 (UTC)

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Bob Fraser
Hi, I see that you make pages for college football coaches and I was wondering if you could make one for Bob Fraser the former dc and current linebackers coach for Rutgers Bigmike2346 (talk) 01:54, 7 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Hi Big Mike, Been out of the loop for a while since the COVID shutdown in March. I will get back in the saddle here soon. Thanks, Bigredlance (talk) 03:18, 18 November 2020 (UTC)

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Template:Texas College Steers football coach navbox
Bigredlance, if you have a chance, could you help fill in some of the blanks at Template:Texas College Steers football coach navbox? We're missing pre-1931, 1961 to 1963, 2010, and 2015. Thanks, Jweiss11 (talk) 16:58, 11 June 2023 (UTC)


 * Hey, thanks for the heads up. I tried looking up the pre-1931 and 1961-1963 stuff but couldn't find anything. I'll keep digging around, though. Bigredlance (talk) 13:02, 13 June 2023 (UTC)

Delaware State - Naylor
Hi. I had previously done research on Delaware State football and initially also thought John D. Naylor had been their head coach that year. However, I later learned that Joe Purzycki is widely regarded as the first white person to coach the team-and that was in the 1980s (see here). It is much more likely to have been Millard Naylor, who was a famous black football coach in Delaware at the time. Or did you find another source specifically citing John as the coach? BeanieFan11 (talk) 15:14, 14 June 2023 (UTC)

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Autopatrolled right and notability of your articles
Hi Bigredlance — I recently came across Charles Dow Clark, an article that was created in 2019 with only two sources: IMDb (considered generally unreliable) and a magazine published by Clark's college that appears (the ref has no page numbers) to have only trivial coverage of him. As such, it did not (and does not today — the IMDb reference was converted to an external link, leaving only one) demonstrate his notability.

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 * Thanks for the ping, . I've had a look at a handful of the latest articles created by this user (all from 2020) and they were all thinly referenced stubs with shaky notability. We expect something much more solid from an autopatrolled user and I shall thus remove this flag. Bigredlance, don't let that stop you from reapplying if you decide to create more articles that have more substance to them.  Schwede 66  07:17, 6 February 2024 (UTC)