User talk:Bilbaíno Madridista 2

Peru women
Any reasoning for removing the earlier champions? https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Peruvian_women%27s_football_championship&diff=591107824&oldid=591107629 -Koppapa (talk) 14:41, 17 January 2014 (UTC)


 * Actually, yes. There´s a contradiction in the RSSSF where it clearly says Universitario of Lima has won the tournanment 5 times where it only shows 3 championships and the same with Coopsol and Sporting. Plus those tournaments (before 2009) were friendly matches (not official) and were not national (they played the unofficial "Copa Pilsen Callao" only as a friendly tournament in Lima, not national nor official). The Federación Peruana de Fútbol does not recognize the games before 2009 nor the Confederación Sudamericana de Fútbol (CSF/Conmebol). See https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Peruvian_women%27s_football_championship&diff=591107824&oldid=591107629

or http://www.conmebol.com/es/content/copa-libertadores-femenino Thanks for the feedback. We are Wikipedia, show it being smart people. ;) --Bilbaíno Madridista 2 (talk) 21:30, 24 January 2014 (UTC)
 * I'm not convinced. I'll try to find some sources, to put earlier champions back in. Conmebols Copa Libertadores started in 2009 true, but that doesnt mean earlier national championships in South America weren't official. RSSSF is to be read as: Lima has won five championships (like there is a source stating their last one was the fifth), but only three years are known. Same with the other clubs. -Koppapa (talk) 08:18, 25 January 2014 (UTC)


 * Thank you for the feedback! I´m a journalist so I know exactly what happened. The first tournament was held in 2008 but was abandoned. The second one was held in 2009 and the first champion was White Star (see:http://www.peru.com/futbol/sgc/femenino/2009/04/06/detalle29151.aspx). In 2006 Sport Girls won a tournament, that was not official, but it was an exhibition match (not official, nor national) that is not recognized by the The Federación Peruana de Fútbol before 2009 nor the Confederación Sudamericana de Fútbol (CSF/Conmebol). See https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Peruvian_women%27s_football_championship&diff=591107824&oldid=591107629

or http://www.conmebol.com/es/content/copa-libertadores-femenino. Furthermore, Sport Girls recognizes its first official national title was achieved in 2011. See:http://jcsportgirls.wordpress.com/2011/10/02/%C2%A1campeonas/ Thanks for the feedback. We are Wikipedia, show it being smart people. ;) --Bilbaíno Madridista 2 (talk) 13:51, 25 January 2014 (UTC)

Ok, thanks for mentioning you are a journalist. Ok i found this source by the FPF stating 2009 was the second edition. So that matches your insight. As i don't speak Spanish, maybe it is easier for you to find a source about the first edition. Why was it abandonen/aborted? After they started playing already, else why would they not name the 2009 edition the first. I'm okay with removing the champions list then from the article, though i would like to mention those friendly tournaments briefly in a history section in the article, are you ok with that? -Koppapa (talk) 14:09, 25 January 2014 (UTC)


 * The tournament is not popular, so unfortunately there are quite a few references. Why was abandon? Apparently because the lack of interest of spectators and sponsors. I would rather not to mention the friendly matches because it would create misunderstandings. Thanks for the feedback! We are Wikipedia, show it being smart people. ;) --Bilbaíno Madridista 2 (talk) 14:39, 25 January 2014 (UTC)