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GTA IV Site Listings
Hi there. You reverted my addition of Grand Theft Wiki on GTAIV a couple of days ago. I couldn't see any direct discussion of this, so could you explain the rationale behind it? GTW is a detailed source of information of GTA IV, moreso than any other site I am aware of. Although it isn't subject to the same level of encyclopaedic scrutiny as Wikipedia, it is still mostly valid, and is certainly useful for visitors to read. I look forward to your reply - Gerardtalk 14:28, 5 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Hi Gerard. The actual discussion where a consensus was reached has been buried in an archive, it can be read here: Talk:Grand_Theft_Auto_IV/Archive_2. What my concerns were at the time and other editors agreed, was that the amount of information that's been released is quite small so far meant that any additional information could be speculative. This is compared to fansites for games that have been out for a long time which have verifiable material that won't be included in Wikipedia, for example game guides, more depth, etc.. Another thing I took into consideration is that the link is to a Wiki, the Wikipedia policy concerning external links says that links to Wikis should be avoided. So it was a combination of both those reasons that made me decide to revert it. You're more than welcome to make the case on the GTA IV talk page for including the link. ●BillPP (talk 14:51, 5 May 2007 (UTC)


 * That's fair enough - detail on GTA IV is pretty sparse at the moment, and anything GTW has that WP doesn't is most likely speculation. However, I would point out some articles where we have (and continue to) analyse the various information we have in some considerable depth - see the bridges section on Liberty City in GTA IV. Looking at Linking_to_other_wikis, GTW's policies match up pretty well with Wikipedias, although we allow mention of speculation (rumours etc) where it is clearly marked as such; GTW is specific and relevant; and it is edited daily by several editors (increasingly so). I just believe a link would help readers access relevant information about the topic, as well as other items such as media including screenshots of the GTA IV trailer and partial transcriptions (quotes) from the GI article. I may bring it up on the talk page, but I'd rather have your opinions first. Thanks - Gerardtalk 00:11, 6 May 2007 (UTC)


 * I had a good look around the GTA IV articles on your Wiki and even though the articles are well written, and it's a useful resource for GTA information, it's my opinion that the content wont really add much to the Wikipedia article. The bridge section is good but it's still not enough to sway me that the site is the site that has the depth and content about GTAIV that should be included. Once the game is released and the GTA IV section has similar content to the other games, for example where there's fine detail about missions, then the site will be a good candidate for one of the notable fan produced websites in the external links. I am by no means the last word on this and I whole heartedly recommend you bring it up if you still feel the site should be linked. One thing to note though is that the guideline about linking to wikis is just in the proposal stage at the moment. ●BillPP (talk 02:57, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

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Re: Image deletions
Hi there. You've recently unlinked some deleted images related Invader Zim, I don't know how much you were involved in the actual deletion of the images but for the life of me I can't remember if any of them were uploaded by myself. I would be very grateful if you could point me to the images for deletion discussion for if you know it. Thanks. ●BillPP (talk 03:38, 13 May 2007 (UTC)


 * I've deleted a number of images today while working through Category:Images with no fair use rationale, which contains images eligible for speedy deletion for not having fair use rationales. Some images I came across were used on pages alongside other images I had deleted, and though they hadn't been tagged yet were nevertheless eligible for speedy deletion anyway.
 * The one you mention seems to have been uploaded by Philiplore. --bainer (talk) 03:53, 13 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Ah ok, Thanks for letting me know. ●BillPP (talk 04:02, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

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List of Gangs in GTA Series Page
Hi, BillPP. Your comments and suggestions during development of the criteria for whether or not to include a gang in the list were very helpful. Please pop over there and cast your vote on the final version of the criteria. Your opinion is an important part of the consensus! Eganio 09:10, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

Time to go
Sadly I will not be involving myself in Wikipedia any more. This is due to the jobsworths who have too much time on there hands that they feel they must go around finding fault in articles just for the sake of it and editing them just so as to annoy people or because they feel that because they have access to a PC and a keyboard they can show people just how clever they really are. Its sad because this site is possibly the best and most comprehensive information outlet on the net. Its just a shame it is controlled and accessed by people with little else to do. The articles I have written are based solely on fact and are of subjects which are of great interest to me. Therefore if they come across as being a little biased this is purely unintentional. However to sabotage articles for the sheer hell of it is for me quite pathetic. I really couldn't be that bothered. The article I wrote on Lancaster City F.C. is possibly the most comprehensive account of the club anywhere on the Internet but to some people it is just an excuse to find fault. I may not be as well educated as some and my articles may not come across as the work of a literary genius but believe me I am not stupid. It does seem though that some people really need to think about geting a life as what goes on on this excellent site is being spoilt by a few faceless, self important jobsworths.User:Doctor Jimmy


 * The last word was actually prats in a version he left in an archived talk page of mine. I left it as such when I moved it to the current talk page. - Dudesleeper · Talk 13:58, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

Problems with tone of Infocom
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Re: Multiple Edits on GTA series gang list
Hey, BillPP, thanks for pointing out the multiple edits. The idiot I am, I didn't even realize I was generating that much crap on the server! I appreciate your compliments, too. Glad to help! Eganio 08:41, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

Removed My Content
Hello this is Macca 220 in regards to the section i added into the article (Grand Theft Auto San Andreas) On weapons i am just asking why you removed it, it was a section many people would have liked to read about the weapons you can receive on the game before buying it and not liking it can you please tell me why you removed my content from the page

From Wikipedia Memember:User:Macca 220Macca 220 05:10, 15 June 2007 (UTC)


 * I removed that information per the Wikipedia Policy WP:NOT, specifically: Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of items of information. That something is 100% true does not automatically mean it is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia. Though list of weapons is factual, that's something which is better placed on a game guide website. ●BillPP (talk 12:44, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

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OOOOK!
You know I know you shouldn't be trusted because of your and Klyptzm's Strange friendship with you and i'm not gonna be pushed around by you or Klyptzm no more! Some guy and Admin named Ryan is the one who deleted him and i'm having a talk with him about Klyptzm's Vandlizing problem!--Manny Ribera 16:35, 17 June 2007 (UTC)

I don't have problems with you but with Klyptzm yes!--Manny Ribera 11:53, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

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An anon is reverting the redirects. If they don't give up and I'm not on, you should probably get them. TTN 02:07, 18 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Will do, I'll keep an eye on it. ●BillPP (talk 02:21, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

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 * Well that explains it, I got a bit worried when I saw your name in red... - .:Alex:. 16:36, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

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Invader Zim article
Greetings. Regarding the edits to the Invader ZIM article that I had made (for which I had no proof that was immediately accessible) I found this link with proof of my edit. http://www.buzzyworld.com/zim/archives/foodlist.html It may not look reliable, but the quote is in the exact episode that it says. For Dib's quote regarding how a long time ago, cards and candy were given out on Valentine's Day, look for the word "candy".

Thank you for your time. =) 68.164.59.136 15:27, 8 August 2007 (UTC)


 * I know the quote you're referring to, but it doesn't prove anything. For example it could be an alternate reality where in the past they gave candy out on valentines day. A more specific source is required. ●BillPP (talk 17:12, 8 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Fine. 68.164.59.136 20:11, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

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