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The Signpost: 3 January 2011
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Manar Group
Articles for deletion/Manar Group, Looks ready to close, would you like to visit again? JeepdaySock (AKA, Jeepday) 16:19, 6 January 2011 (UTC)

The Signpost: 10 January 2011
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Holy Trinity Church, Bacchus Marsh
You may wish to take a look at the stub article that you created this morning. There has been a direct copy'n'paste of what appears to be material under copyright from the subject's website. If you or are involved with the editor who placed it there, you may wish to explain to him/her about how Wikipedia works. Cheers, Mattinbgn (talk) 05:52, 12 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Actually, the opening statement was based on the opening statement from the article on Holy Trinity, Adelaide, and was not a copy and paste, though not surprisingly would seem a standard way to explain an old church. I did start the article for someone with an interest in the church, and in Bacchus Marsh, and that was part of their tutorial; we will see where the article proceeds. billinghurst  sDrewth  06:12, 12 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I should have been clearer. Your content is fine but the content added by was copied straight from the website word for word. -- Mattinbgn (talk) 06:26, 12 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Gotcha. Spoke with the person. The person does have the permission of the church to utilise the text, though as a newbie it was a bit lead-footed in the application as they learnt the wikisteps, and did save and read the instructions &hellip; Suggested that there be text play in a sandbox in their account, and they are off there now, and once reformed, will copy and paste the data. Intent is right, so shepherding is all that is required. billinghurst  sDrewth  06:44, 12 January 2011 (UTC)
 * All good. Thanks, I thought you having a quiet word might be better than me adding template after template. Cheers, Mattinbgn (talk) 07:11, 12 January 2011 (UTC)

Hang on a second. This comment is a little uncalled for. For such a blatant copyright violation (and that is what it was&mdash;and still is, until some actual evidence of permission is provided) I thought it was pretty mild. Even high school students know that plagiarism is not on, newbie or not. As the article stands, the only content that has been added to this article that is not a prima facie breach of copyright is entirely unreferenced and does not at this stage meet any measure of notability or significance whatsoever.

It was only my forbearance based on a soft spot for BM that stopped me from prodding it or CSD#A3ing immediately, especially given the result of the discussion at Articles for deletion/Saint Mary's Catholic Church Maryborough. Even if this newbie editor has permission from the church, the resulting article will still be based on a single source, not independent of the subject. No doubt pointing this out would also be a "heavyish thump". -- Mattinbgn (talk) 09:25, 12 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Newbie, newbie, newbie. AGF AGF AGF. I said nowhere that that was an incorrect decision, I just said it wasn't helpful. With regard to "your forbearance" golly gosh, what a statement, adminship is what we can do to build the site and foster the incoming talent, not to make people regret making edits. Reflect on your first days and please do not bite the newcomers Please do not treat me like a fool with the "plagiarism" card, there was no claim of their own work, and the person was trying to actively but slowly get the article into play, wasn't up to references, and was fixing the text; for which you had no knowledge of whether they did or did not have the right to use, nor was that question asked. billinghurst  sDrewth  12:15, 12 January 2011 (UTC)

The Signpost: 17 January 2011
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The Signpost: 24 January 2011
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