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January 2017
Welcome to Wikipedia. Please do not remove Articles for deletion notices from articles, or remove other people's comments in Articles for deletion debates, as you did with President of Australia. Otherwise, it may be difficult to create consensus. If you oppose the deletion of an article, please comment at the respective page instead. Thank you. -  C HAMPION  (talk) (contributions) (logs) 03:14, 8 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Don't be a chump. — billinghurst  sDrewth  03:15, 8 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Please stop with the personal attacks, I have explicitly stated that the discussion is still in progress and if you have something to comment, do it at RfD, it is not appropriate to remove deletion tags. -  C HAMPION  (talk) (contributions) (logs) 03:17, 8 January 2017 (UTC)
 * It is questionable that you used the undo to remove the RfD tag without closing the debate, when you did do it, you used the undo feature again without providing an adequate edit summary, also, I don't think it was appropriate for it to be closed at that time when there was relatively little input. Also, again, please stop with the personal attacks. -  C HAMPION  (talk) (contributions) (logs) 03:22, 8 January 2017 (UTC)
 * (ec) That was not a personal attack, that was a reflection on your actions. As an administrator here I have already closed the discussion with a decision. I believe that I am entitled to do that without you reverting my edits, and leaving facile templated commentary here. — billinghurst  sDrewth  03:24, 8 January 2017 (UTC)
 * WP:PA states that Insulting or disparaging an editor is a personal attack regardless of the manner in which it is done. You may not have taken it that way, but I certainly did, I may have to bring this to ANI, at least this requires the intervention of another editor. -  C HAMPION  (talk) (contributions) (logs) 03:29, 8 January 2017 (UTC)

There is currently a discussion at Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. -  C HAMPION  (talk) (contributions) (logs) 03:41, 8 January 2017 (UTC)
 * You do as you think that you need to do, though I don't see how you can relate my decision to close, requiring an intervention of another editor. Such little min-threats are just as unnice as use of facile templates. If you didn't like the decision to close, then you should have brought that to me as a conversation. Instead, you were quick onto the revert button, and the "add a facile message" template, and slow on the conversation. In my opinion any editor who is so quick to use those buttons without conversation is doing others a disservice, and is not respectful of their edits. If you want to give as you seemingly do, then you can take a little reflection, especially when you are here on my talk page seemingly picking a fight, morphing the conversation as you have explored a little more.— billinghurst  sDrewth  03:50, 8 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Had you explained in the initial edit summary that you were closing it, I would have just left you a message, instead, you used a potentially ambiguous and arguable obscure edit summary which I thought was a mistake, you did not explicitly say that, the reason that I brought this to ANI is that I don't want to further continue with this argument and I feel like it is not going anywhere if it stays here. Thanks. -  C HAMPION  (talk) (contributions) (logs) 07:36, 8 January 2017 (UTC)

Need more inputs
Can you please provide your input on discussion at Articles for deletion/Nimisha Mehta? Coderzombie (talk) 08:15, 8 January 2017 (UTC)

Wikidata/2017 State of affairs
FYI I reverted your edits to this fully-protected page. Since the content and functionality of this page is under dispute, it would be best to get consensus on the talk page first prior to making substantiate edits, especially if those edits could be seen as advancing one side of the dispute or the other. –Grondemar 02:41, 13 January 2017 (UTC)
 * I disagree that they were substantive edits that needed reverting. We are on a project subpage that had specifically been set up for collating points. I am an experienced user and these factual points added were neutral in commentary and tone. AND if they were reverted, where they were non-inflammatory and reasonably accurate statements then the courtesy of adding them to the talk page would have been more useful. Your role as a fellow administrator is not to play policeman in such a regard with those statements. I suggest to you that if you had wanted the status quo that the better way would have been to ask me to have self-reverted and have asked me to add them to the talk page.
 * It is highly inappropriate to use your admin tools to edit through full protection in this way and Grondemar was correct to revert it. From the policy: Pages that are protected because of content disputes should not be edited except to make changes which are uncontroversial or for which there is clear consensus. &mdash; Martin (MSGJ · talk) 09:10, 13 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Correct, and I believe that they are uncontroversial — factual statements of current use with examples — especially with my crosswiki and sister experience. I And I stand by my statement that I could have been gently asked me to undo in this circumstance. Niceness costs nothing. Since when do I come in all guns blazing? — billinghurst  sDrewth  11:59, 13 January 2017 (UTC)

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James Beal (reformer)
This article is now there, and most recently beefed up with an academic reference. It would not be hard to add to the pamphlets, I reckon. Charles Matthews (talk) 11:56, 19 January 2017 (UTC)

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Please help me as new user to submit move request
Please reply on my page, I will provide more details. Thank you! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Хмаринка (talk • contribs) 08:04, 11 February 2017 (UTC)

Imperium Galactica modding tools
Can you please tell me, why do you keep removing my links from both the hungarian and english pages of Imperium Galactica? If the site imperiumgalactica2.hu (also an unofficial site) can be there with my 1.14 patch, then why the original source of the modding tools and the patches cannot? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.21.161.21 (talk) 10:56, 9 February 2017 (UTC)


 * Can you please tell me why you keep adding them after they have been removed? External links and Conflict of interest should be a clear indication of the problem. This is an encyclopaedia, not a directory listing for fan pages or mod tools. If you see other links that are outside the scope, then please feel free to remove them. — billinghurst  sDrewth  11:05, 9 February 2017 (UTC)


 * If the "encyclopaedia" can contain text about my patches (quoting from the hungarian article of IG2: "Az interneten fellelhető még egy v1.14 patch is, ami egy nem hivatalos rajongói frissítés. Ez minden korábbi gyári és nem hivatalos frissítést tartalmaz a további finomításokon felül - illetve ez lokalizációtól függetlenül is lefut/működik.") then why the link cannot be there? As for removing imperiumgalactica2.hu, why should i? It's not disturbing me. I just told you, that you let that fansite be there and deleted mine. And as for "fansites", countless of Wiki articles about old games, contains links to fansites. For example MobyGames is not an official site for the IG series and their link is still there in the article of IG2. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.21.161.21 (talk) 11:36, 9 February 2017 (UTC)
 * If you think that my removal is unwarranted then please address it to the local village pump(s), and seek their advice on the addition. Please do not just keep adding a link, when it is reverted; that is not a winning battle. Be sure to mention your vested interest in the addition. The guidance is clear on addition of such links, and you have no real argument to how your link addition should be overriding the guidance. That there is other incorrect linking around the place is not a green light for continuing the practice, it is an indication of work to do to tidy it up. And as I said, feel free to remove any link outside of the guidance, it is not my crusade. That said your addition of your link outside of guidance I will keep cleaning up, and will look to take through the blacklist practice where you add it outside of the community's consensus process. — billinghurst  sDrewth  11:57, 9 February 2017 (UTC)


 * So, removing other "fansites" are not your crusade, but removing mine is? It's very interesting. I fail to see, why i deserve your undivided attention. As for continuing reverting your reverts, don't be afraid; i'm not that childlish. If you are happy if you can remove one particular site from the external links, then be happy with it. Just FYI, i'm done more for these two games and their communities than MobyGames. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.21.161.21 (talk) 12:29, 9 February 2017 (UTC)


 * Oh, i've figured it out. It's not the "fansite" thing, it's the primary content of the fansite. You are a microsoft fan and you dislike the site itself. How couldn't i notice it earlier? Otherwise you would remove everything which is aganist your guidance. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.21.161.132 (talk) 12:59, 10 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Mate, you hang in there with whatever fantasy you enjoy. Whatever! — billinghurst  sDrewth  13:16, 10 February 2017 (UTC)
 * I may be wrong, but then what is the explanation of you removing only my site and leave the others, saying it's not your crusade? We've never met, so it cannot be personal, can be? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.21.161.65 (talk) 10:44, 11 February 2017 (UTC)
 * And what is the explanation of you never answering, when i ask, why do you remove only my site? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.21.161.221 (talk) 10:08, 13 February 2017 (UTC)

OrphanReferenceFixer: Help on reversion
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File:Drag bike.jpg
Please explain your actions. Sincerely, USS New Jersey (talk) 11:43, 4 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Already done. It wouldn't stand a chance in a deletion debate. — billinghurst  sDrewth  11:44, 4 April 2017 (UTC)


 * I think you are wrong. There is a bot which places the Template:Author assumed at old uploads. Why should the image not be from User:Motorhead?--USS New Jersey (talk) 11:49, 4 April 2017 (UTC)


 * Why is my filemove different to previous ones (File:2spark plug viewers.jpg, File:Lysholm screw rotors.jpg)?--USS New Jersey (talk) 11:51, 4 April 2017 (UTC)
 * (ec) From my observations of DRs. If in a period of time it does survive, we can delete it then. Play it conservatively at this time. — billinghurst  sDrewth  11:52, 4 April 2017 (UTC)


 * I'm regularly moving files to Commons with throwaway accounts during my worktime. Nobody ever had any objections, so I'm a little bit astonished now.--USS New Jersey (talk) 12:23, 4 April 2017 (UTC)

Hardoy Butterfly Chair; Tripolina Chair
RaykN (talk) 15:10, 14 April 2017 (UTC)

Dear Bilinghurst,

WEINBAUM has been greatly contributing to the transition of both the Butterfly and the Tripolina Chair into the 21st century. My controbutions are no promo stuff; without this company both pieces would have been forgotten. If you don't let me add content then please delete at least this link on the French company Airborne.

Thanks

RaykN

Deletion of HDClone
Hello Billinghurst,

someone proposed the deletion of my newly added article, while I prematurely removed the deletion tag. Appearently reverting it to the state with that tag didn't prevent the sudden deletion of my article and didn't restore the 7 day deadline. Therefore I would like to ask you to restore the article and the 7 day deadline or limit its visibily to my user accout until the content fulfills the standard requirements. Regarding the notablility I would like you to consider the following references to the subject of my article over the last 13 years (of course this bare list won't be the missing content of my article).

English: http://windows7themes.net/en-us/4-steps-to-automatically-backup-your-system-hard-drive-with-hdclone http://www.trishtech.com/2013/04/create-and-restore-hard-disk-images-with-free-hdclone http://www.ilovefreesoftware.com/18/windows/system-utils/hdclone-free-utility-to-clone-your-hard-disk.html https://betanews.com/2011/01/31/tip-clone-or-rescue-your-hard-drive-with-hdclone-4-free-edition http://files-recovery.blogspot.de/2010/10/hard-disk-copy-with-hdclone.html http://www.techmixer.com/free-windows-disk-cloning-software-hdclone http://webtrickz.com/download-hdclone-free-edition-37 http://www.jakeludington.com/downloads/20060224_hdclone.html — http://www.topbestalternatives.com/hdclone http://download.cnet.com/HDClone-Free-Edition/3000-2248_4-10504284.html http://www.ultimatebootcd.com/

German: http://hdclone.pro.de http://www.barrierefreie-webloesungen.de/blog/misc/131204_hdclone.php http://www.computerwissen.de/hardware/pc-tipps/artikel/festplatten-tipp-mit-hdclone-ziehen-sie-kostenlos-und-komfortabel-auf-eine-groessere-festplatte-um.html http://www.pc-magazin.de/ratgeber/hdclone-3-9-1027051-6628.html http://www.computerbild.de/artikel/cb-Downloads-Tuning-System-HDClone-Tipps-Anleitung-5845004.html http://www.com-magazin.de/news/business-it/hdclone-kann-defragmentierung-on-the-fly-6805.html http://www.computerwoche.de/a/hdclone-mehr-als-nur-platten-klonen,580481 http://www.tomshardware.de/miray-stellt-festplatten-tool-hdclone-in-version-3-vor,news-11363.html http://www.chip.de/news/HDClone-2.0-Freeware-hilft-beim-Festplatten-Umzug_13717267.html

Books (international): Hak Cipta, Langkah Cerdas Mengamankan dan Menyelamatkan Data pada Hard Disk, pages 136-139, isbn 9792914528 https://books.google.de/books?id=27NHwYCZv6EC Antonio Luís Cardador Cabello, Testeo y verificación de equipos y periféricos microinformáticos, pages 168-176, isbn 8416173540 https://books.google.de/books?id=FLwPBAAAQBAJ Todd G.Shipley, Art Bowker, Investigating Internet Crimes: An Introduction to Solving Crimes in Cyberspace, page 163, isbn 0124079296 https://books.google.de/books?id=yXCtAAAAQBAJ

Best regards! Jo (talk) 01:23, 14 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Try taking it through draft: namespace, see Drafts — billinghurst  sDrewth 
 * Hello Billinghurst, Thank you very much for that pointer. — Jo (talk) 19:06, 14 April 2017 (UTC)

ipblock-exempt
Hi, Billinghurst.

I added some established angolan users from Portuguese projects to the global-ipblock-exempt group some days ago, due to the global blocks related to the Angola-Facebook case.


 * Clovis O Mentalista
 * Mpavita JR Santos
 * FranciscoMG
 * Rosário de Almeida
 * Planeta de Cor-Azul
 * Fmanuel090

However, as you may know, this permission does not allow users to bypass local range blocks, and it seems there are some of these blocks implemented locally over here. They are complaining that they are usually caught up in an autoblock not intended for them, from time to time ( example ) R adi X  ∞  12:12, 17 April 2017 (UTC)

So could you kindly add the above mentioned users to the local ipblock-exempt group?

Thanks. R adi X ∞  12:12, 17 April 2017 (UTC)
 * ✅ — billinghurst  sDrewth  06:44, 18 April 2017 (UTC)

Hardoy Butterfly Chair; Tripolina Chair
RaykN (talk) 15:10, 14 April 2017 (UTC)

Hm, no reaction. Can you please anwer?
 * Conflict of interest follow the guidance. Also to Paid-contribution disclosure — billinghurst  sDrewth  02:15, 23 April 2017 (UTC)

Draft:European Mentoring and Coaching Council AfC revert
Hi, Billinghurst, I am the editor that accepted the AfC of Draft:European Mentoring and Coaching Council which I see you have reverted today. I am at the end of my very first week reviewing AfC submissions, so would appreciate coaching in what I should have handled differently in this instance. I am presuming that your view is that it fails WP:NCORP? Curb Safe Charmer (talk) 13:12, 25 April 2017 (UTC)
 * My view is that it is not yet ready for main ns. Push back firmly on users to make a quality product, especially where their is a vested/conflict of interest (check for crosswiki editing for same article). For me a lead paragraph should need no referencing, it should just be a summation component for the article. So when I see 8 refs for a lead sentence and they are all press release type articles, my nose wrinkles with 'not ready', then when the ref list is longer the article itself that should indicate that something is out of kilter  — billinghurst  sDrewth  13:40, 25 April 2017 (UTC)
 * These sound like sound principles for producing a good article, but it seems they go beyond the AfC review process? Where in the flowchart would this page get declined? Wouldn't accept, but tag, be the way to go? Thanks :) Curb Safe Charmer (talk) 16:55, 25 April 2017 (UTC)
 * AfC is more than sheer binary decisions. When there is greyness in multiples of those factors never be afraid to push back and make them the contributor do the work, especially with the waft of CoI. To me multiple maybes = declined, or maybe more accurately "not yet". There is nothing urgent here, if it is notable, it will still be notable in a month. — billinghurst  sDrewth  05:28, 26 April 2017 (UTC)

New page "European Mentoring and Coaching Council"
I have added many notability related citations and references. Could you look at the Draft page and see if it can be moved from "Draft" status? many thanks185.62.85.43 (talk) 03:16, 27 April 2017 (UTC) I just read and acted upon your suggestion above e.g. removing press release types of citations etc.185.62.85.43 (talk) 03:42, 27 April 2017 (UTC)

Deleted mention of higher education ranking
Hi! I had originally added the ranking to List of universities in the Netherlands after reading about it in both Forbes and Le Monde. I found it noteworthy and upon further inspection, there are lots of other newspapers reporting on it. Linking one of the articles instead would be an option but it doesn't seem very WP to cite a source that cites a source. I would like to see it re-added but want to make sure this doesn't inadvertently get flagged again. -- 178.3.13.186 (talk) 13:21, 28 May 2017 (UTC)
 * That it was mentioned would not make it a section of an article with its own sub-heading. I suggest you pop over to Teahouse and seek guidance from that team. — billinghurst  sDrewth  13:31, 28 May 2017 (UTC)

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Hello Billinghurst,

I wanted to let you know that I just tagged Aubrey Graham for deletion, because it seems to be inappropriate for a variety of reasons. For more details please see the notice on the article.

If you feel that the article shouldn't be deleted and want more time to work on it, you can contest this deletion, but please don't remove the speedy deletion tag from the top.

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 * Hi Sydney. Turned it on, and I don't even remember turning it off. — billinghurst  sDrewth  14:45, 15 September 2017 (UTC)
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Fix template:cite DNB
Need to fix template:cite DNB to take case statement to allow for supplement & 2ndsupp to allow for DNB00/DNB01/DNB12 refs. — billinghurst  sDrewth  01:24, 20 October 2017 (UTC)

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OCTA Innovation
Hi, I am wondering if you could return this page or send me the page content, so I can fix the parts which caused the article deletion. I now that I should contact the user who deleted it, but User:Fuhghettaboutit is not active for over a week. I hope you could help me, thanks. --Semso98 (talk) 15:43, 23 October 2017 (UTC)
 * I think that the courtesy thing would for you to try there first, and, then if unsuccessful, ask someone else (happy to consider at that point). It doesn't seem urgent that trying and waiting is going to set the world back. — billinghurst  sDrewth  09:36, 24 October 2017 (UTC)
 * , ok, thanks. I will try there first. --Semso98 (talk) 13:15, 24 October 2017 (UTC)

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Happy First Edit Day
 Happy First Edit Day! Have a very happy first edit anniversary! From the Birthday Committee, Nat965 (talk) 05:21, 23 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Seems doubtful to me that, but there you go. Might be ten years since someone created my user page. — billinghurst  sDrewth  05:37, 23 December 2017 (UTC)
 * There have been a few edits xwiki since, and lots of admin actions. Fun, eh? — billinghurst  sDrewth  05:38, 23 December 2017 (UTC)

A request
Hallo Billinghurst, a de-wiki User User talk:Tonialsa has problems with another user who know is trying to hound him arround differend language versions, so on en-wiki and commons. Please could you have a look at his disk. an protect the sides. Thx --Itti (talk) 20:07, 28 December 2017 (UTC)
 * ✅ — billinghurst  sDrewth  10:05, 29 December 2017 (UTC)