User talk:Billscottbob/Carmabelle7912/Archive 1

Haven't signed in for a while, so I only just got the message. Sounds like a good idea, but I've no idea how to start, you'd have to. I've also no idea how to publish that userbox, although I'm sure I could figure it out. But go ahead and start that talkback page, sounds like you know how. Carmabelle7912 (talk) 23:37, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Hey Carmen. See for talkback, I'd respond here instead of on your talk page so it's easier to follow conversation. Just use a colon to indent your text. I noticed your brother got an account, wrote a page about himself and put on the Strath page how cool he is. Haha. Silly boy. Did you see on the Main Page that there's a picture of Ellie Weisel? Kind of coincidental. Billy (talk) 03:24, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Sounds easy enough, I think I get it- have I done it right? Not that there's all that much to get. Yes, my brother is crazy, I've known that for a while. It's entertaining, but he should really never be allowed to edit on Wikipedia, for the good of all mankind. That is kind of coincidental (the pic), although I really can't make out his face... it's amazing they found that picture though. Are you reading that book? I kind of want to, but I imagine it would desensitise me even more than I already am. Oh well. Carmabelle7912 (talk) 03:45, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm desenstizing myself soo much. Shake Hands with the Devil, The Road (novel), A Long Way Gone, etc. Why do they say so much about TV? The books are getting just as bad.--Billy (talk) 21:33, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
 * I know what you mean. Some books are really graphic, it's not effective anymore as a disincentive to violence. Not that it ever really was. It's more effective if they show the 'human side', which sounds really cliche, but it gives you a better sense. Good Morning, Vietnam was good that way, I thought, you should watch it. It's not as sad or violent as most war movies though, it's primarily a comedy. Carmabelle7912 (talk) 23:17, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, the human side is always much better. That was the problem with Shake Hands with the Devil, it was a little too non-fiction for just reading. I hope that a Long Way Gone will be better that way. If you haven't read it I'll lend it to you. It's one of those books that you read to put a little activism in your life. You finish it and say, "I really need to do something about that" and then you never get around to anything.Billy (talk) 02:23, 22 November 2007 (UTC)
 * I haven't read that, have you finished it? I always plan on doing radically activist things, but then never go through with them. The poster is part of that, but I still have to finish it. I'm thinking of moving on to letters adressed to general populaces which I'll send to newspapers, that could be fun. But I think it's driven largely by a desire to be famous, and/or to eventually get on The Daily Show (which is absolutely terrific, especially when they have idiotic people on who suffer from a political variant of foot-in-mouth). Carmabelle7912 (talk) 03:09, 22 November 2007 (UTC)
 * I just started it. I really want to see that poster, mainly because I don't understand it. Those letters adressed to populace can be expensive (if you mean an ad). Apparently one of my top career motivators is Power and Influence. I just submitted myself for peer review. I want to see how I'm doing. I think they'll tell me that I always forget to put in an edit summary. My edit count is 400! I think its because I make a lot of minor ones. Yours is 21. [Click Here] for your full edit summary. Billy (talk) 03:15, 22 November 2007 (UTC)
 * It's not a very good poster, but I'll try and finish it and bring it in to school sometime. I have a secret desire to get it reprinted dozens of times and stick it all over Boston, but I doubt I'll be motivated enough to do that. You might have to look at The Treachery of Images to get it, although obviously I mean it much less literally than Magritte. I was thinking of simply sending the letters to 10 American newspapers, but I doubt they would take me seriously, so I'll have to see if I even bother. That's such a lot of edits! I've really only done 2, plus my user page and talk page, because typically I go back and redo things. I never know what to edit. But 400 is pretty impressive, I think. Carmabelle7912] ([[User talk:Carmabelle7912|talk) 23:34, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

I don't think 400 is impressive because I don't do many edits in the mainspace (the actual encyclopedia part). I submitted myself for editor review and nobody is reviewing me. They just ignore me. I guess I'm not important enough. I anticipate this poster...--Billy (talk) 18:05, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Better than 21 at any rate. But editing doesn't interest me much, I'd rather actually add info- but this doesn't work as most of my info actually comes from Wikipedia. I'll try and finish it sometime soon, but I warn you that I usually lose interest quite quickly... Carmabelle7912 (talk) 21:45, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Yes, I know, I never know what to write about. I don't really specialize in any area. You could join Novels Wikiproject. That might work out for you. I just don't know. It's hard.Billy (talk) 00:24, 25 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Me neither. Most things that I know, too, have already been put on Wikipedia anyways. I might join that project though, if I ever get motivated enough. That's what I suffer from: a chronic lack of motivation. Sigh. Carmabelle7912 (talk) 01:33, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

Guess what I found. According to electron configuration, The orbital labels s, p, d, and f originate from a now-discredited system of categorizing Did you see that? Now-discredited! Silly provinchial curriculum.--Billy (talk) 01:44, 25 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Ha! Wikipedia: 1, Ms Egli and the province: Zero! I wish they would teach us everything, simplified, now, rather than teaching us some stuff now and then contradicting it later (I've no idea if that made sense). I think we could grasp the concepts well enough. But that makes me laugh, silly teachers! Carmabelle7912 (talk) 02:11, 25 November 2007 (UTC)
 * I understood you. It appears as though Educators bypass issues arising from stupid children by lying to us. Most of what we learn is completely false. Science has changed substanitally. Its like the foundation of science has been changed. But what we learned hasn't really changed since our parents time. Really, the only thing that is up to date is tectonic plates. That's relatively new, but everything else is way out of date.
 * It's surprising what they tell us and what they don't. For example, one funamental thing about physics and chemistry is particle-wave duality and its relatively easy to understand and, most importantly, would make shut up about photons. Instead they waste our time with orbital levels that are confusing, but more incriminating, defunct. Sorry, incriminating was a bit of a strong word. And that, ladies and gentlemen, was my rant.Billy (talk) 02:22, 25 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Virtual Applause. Good rant, I agree entirely. I'm too lazy to sift through the science-talk on the particle-wave duality page, but it makes sense. Does still go on about photons? We should get Dick Cheney to come hunting here... The thing about teaching us ahead is that some of us would understand completely, and some people would be completely lost... already I'm having to explain things to, because he's forgotten what we learnt last year and gets confused by explanations. I'm tempted to suggest split classes, but I suppose that's a bit Randian... but she (Ayn Rand) has a point, teaching to smarter children so that they get more intelligent. I feel so 'left behind'... Carmabelle7912 (talk) 06:07, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

We probably shouldn't refer to any names for their privacy....and humiliation. Haha. Split classes are quite common, even in private schools, in other parts of the world. They were quite common at international schools because you have Europeans (can't do math), North Americans (kinda able to do math) and Asians (calculus anyone?). Sometimes for Science too, because North Americans can't do science. In the former USSR, they honestly teach math just to the smart kids. My brother was learning speed and coin problems in grade 4. For the smart kids, the logic clicks. For the normal kids, they just memorize it. I think that's why there are so many russian mathmaticians. Billy (talk) 00:00, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
 * That's probably a good idea. We need some sort of a code. Hearing about split classes just makes me jealous (notice how arrogant I'm being here, in assuming that I would be in the higher levels?). I wish our school would do that, although obviously we're supposed to be the smartest kids they can get, so technically they wouldn't need to. But, equally obviously, we're not the best of the best by any standard, or at least not our median... sigh, for now it will just be a beautiful dream. IB should get better though. Carmabelle7912 (talk) 01:06, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
 * IB will certainly change things. Excluding my Spanish class. But it'll be different. We'll hardly ever see any of the normal stream people. It will be the same group of people, with some additions (for those doing partial IB).
 * That would actually be great, so long as there aren't too many people I dislike taking IB. Which may sound callous, but I had a hard enough time last year with certain people who often exclaim 'photons'. I certainly hope those certain people are not taking IB. But I think it will be a good crowd...Carmabelle7912 (talk) 01:29, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

I'm sure that certain someone will mostlikely be taking some IB. I really enjoy this namelessness. Maybe we should call him THE NAMELESS (circa rather big girl that babbles about the foretold one). Billy (talk) 01:40, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Oh dear... I will certainly not enjoy THE NAMELESS in my math class, having loud epiphanies about concepts I grasped last year. I suppose it is a price I must pay, though god knows what I'm paying for. I agree about the namelessness though. It's such terrific fun coming up with codenames. Carmabelle7912 (talk) 03:28, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Grrr. THE NAMELESS. How annoying. Codenames are so much fun. Billy (talk) 18:13, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
 * I agree. We need more of them, perhaps one for the 'rather big girl that babbles about the foretold one'? I don't know all that many good codenames, unfortunately. How is your english coming along? I'm re-writing mine completely, sigh. Carmabelle7912 (talk) 23:21, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Is English due!!?!?!?! How long should it be?Billy (talk) 02:18, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

I thought so, maybe not? We might have time in class, and we don't have it until 2nd... But it probably doesn't have to be all that long, like 1-1 1/2 or 2 pages. I think it's just a sort of free for all. Carmabelle7912 (talk) 03:47, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
 * I wrote the beggining of a story and then I wrote a personal relfection because my story was going to be too similar to "The Landlady" by Roald Dahl. You should read "The Landlady", its really good. Billy (talk) 04:04, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
 * This is pretty tricky, I like it. Actually, I've already read that one. I have a spectacular book of Roald Dahl shorts, "Tales of the Unexpected", I'll bring it tomorrow and you can borrow it if you like/if you don't already have it. As for my story, the fake-gonzo ended up being one long list of what the character drank, so I'm in the middle of a new one about a spy. How was yours like "The Landlady"? Carmabelle7912 (talk) 05:18, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
 * You have the book? I would love it if you brought it in. The last time I read those short stories was Grade 6 and I loved them. My short story was going to be "The Landlady" Christmas edition. I loook forward to reading your masterpeice, whatever it may be. You should read my personal reflection. I wrote this trippy conclusion that begs to be proufound (but really isn't). Billy (talk) 05:37, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

Christmas edition, sounds ominous! Although I'm sure that your reflection will be dripping in literary genius. The conclusion sounds like the entire body of my written work. I hope I get mine finished though, it's probably less than halfway through, and I've no idea what information the spy is trying to get, or how he's going to get it. But I have french class to work on it too. I'll bring the book in tomorrow, it's really terrific (as you know). I particularly love the one where the wife murders her husband with the leg of lamb. Dahl is a mastermind. As for the talkback template things, I'm in the process of figuring out my watch page, so perhaps keep using them for a day or two. By then I'll have it figured out.Carmabelle7912 (talk) 05:56, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Okay, I'll continue using talkback. You watchpage won't actually put a notification on any page like the talkback does. It just appears on your watchlist. So the choice is yours. I don't mind doing it.
 * You're right, the conclusion basically is the body. I think she'll think I'm either genius or suffering from inflated self-percieved intelligence.
 * I can't wait to read the books. Very sorry about the vanity fairs. I feel bad. Any books you want to borrow from me?
 * Billy (talk) 18:50, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Mm I was referring to all the essays I've written myself... but I can see how the conclusion would mirror the body. As for the talkback, do whatever you'd like, it will just likely take me longer to reply with the watchlist. But it's less work for you. No problem about the Vanity Fairs. I can't remember quite which ones I lent you, I keep buying more. I have some other ones if you like. Which books do you have?
 * What Easton added was Open Closing Theory, I haven't read it yet but it seems somehwat legitimate. But there's some grammar I might clear up at any rate. Did you create an entire user for this conversation?
 * Update: Easton's made it all up. It only sounds legitimate, which might be enough to make people not notice, but I'm doubting it. It's sort of crazy and hard to understand, I'm stuck by an odd desire to clean it up.Carmabelle7912 (talk) 21:09, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
 * No, I didn't make a new user. I just created a subpage in my user talk.
 * I read it. I read it all. Its ridiculous. I see its gathered quite the number of templates on it. I doubt it will last. If he re-wrote it to conform to NPOV (Neutral Point of View) policy and provided citations, I bet it would stay. The grammer is less of a problem. I'll send him an e-mail with how he could keep it. If he corrects it, I'll remove the templates as a third-party and it will all be dandy. Otherwise, I think it will be marked for AfD (Articles for Deletion). Hopefully it won't make CSD (Criterea for Speedy Deletion). Although, it could be speedy deleted because it doesn't assert its significance. I hope he gets a new account. We can be the Strathie ambassadors for Wikipedia and, more importantly, vise versa.
 * You could reset your password if you really want your Wikipedian identity.
 * Billscottbob (talk) 00:20, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

It was marked for AfD, thank god. If I ignore it and let it be deleted, will it just go away? As in, will I escape unscathed? I agree about the ambassadors idea. Although I don't know how that would work, but we really need some. Carmabelle7912 (talk) 01:49, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
 * I voted delete on the AfD page. If he makes an account he can still publish it on Wikipedia as a personal essay. He just probably won't like the fact that he's releasing his work under copyleft.
 * Getting a page deleted does not mean anything will happen to you or to your account. You're all okay.
 * Billscottbob (talk) 22:27, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
 * You can publish personal essays? I didn't know that. But that's definetely where it belongs. I would vote for deletion too, if it weren't under my name... sigh, all the people who read it will think I'm an angry idiot. But at least I won't get deleted, that's good news. Hopefully they will delete it shortly and I can put the scandal behind me. I can't believe someone campaigned for a weak keep though, especially when he said it himself- 'article is almost unreadable'. Carmabelle7912 (talk) 00:40, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
 * You may only be able to do personal essays on things relating to Wikipedia. I'm not sure how it works.
 * Deletion of Easton's page wouldn't be so unanimous if it weren't for WP:OR. If he had written about a published theory, even using his own opinion and without citations, I bet they would have kept it and atempted to clean it up.
 * He's angry and says they're so stupid because obviously it should be deleted for grammer. If they deleted stuff for grammer that would be ridiculous! Oh well. He's angry now and won't get an account. I'm sorta glad.
 * Billscottbob (talk) 02:28, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

It's a good thing they had that policy then. It's not the sort of stuff that deserves a spot here, largely because it sort of sounds like his own interpretation of existentialism (although, having not yet read his Nietszche, I can't say for certain). But I agree that perhaps him not getting an account is for the best. I don't think the world is quite ready, and I stand by my prediction (that some large, angry man from the southern states will shoot him- or, conversely, he'll end up in prison in some small, dictatorial country). I've changed my password just in case. Carmabelle7912 (talk) 03:43, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
 * got an account. He obviously noted that I voted delete on his page and is rather angry. He seems to be a bit careless with format but he should improve. I find your ending for him rather fitting. I'm trying to find some books that I should lend to you. I really think you should read The Road but I lost it. Billscottbob (talk) 03:59, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Oh, dear. At least he isn't endangering mine anymore though. Predictions are rather fun to come up with, you should try sometime. Case in point: the 'rather large one' will become a fantasy writer, will write approximately 85 books, and will become despised by publishers. That's the one you used for your booktalk, isnt it? The writing style sounded interesting, I suppose I'll rent it if you can't find it. But I don't like renting books, I never feel like I have enough time, and sometimes they smell (I'm a book snob). Carmabelle7912 (talk) 04:11, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
 * He has some very credible contributions and I think he's been looking on my contributions and may be reading this... Anyways, nice prediciton. THE NAMELESS will be the most depised and loved person at petty dinner parties. The style of The Road makes it very artistic. It's a great read. Not nearly as morbid as I described it, just dismal environment. If only I could find it. I might have something else. I'll have a look.Billscottbob (talk) 04:18, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

That's good to see. It's also odd to think of someone else reading this, makes me think of espionage. I think we should include predictions in all our replies. The girl who likes to hug people and squeals will offer herself as a mail-order bride- she'll be accepted, but once she hugs the man he will pretend to be someone else and escape to Burma. That's good, not being so morbid, although in my 'enlightened' state of desensitivity I might not mind. I read most of a book last night which centered around this woman who'd been taught that women having sex was bad, but men having sex was natural- and thus proceded to enter in to many abusive, sexual relationships. But the desensitivity meant that I just found it melodramatic. Perhaps it could be used as a weapon? Carmabelle7912 (talk) 04:30, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Is the girl who like to hug people a girl whose name starts with a 'D'?
 * The capitalist will become either a ruthless, but successful, entreprenuer, undervalued philosopher, or one who takes life and enjoys it for what it is. The latter will either be completely true or completely false. Who knows...
 * That book sounds very morbid. Desensitivity is certainly an intriguing subject. There is no doubt that our exposure to reality has, and will continue to, shape society in unexpected ways.
 * The funny thing about having a conversation on a wiki is that its all released under GDFL copyleft liscences. So even though its just a conversation, we do not own it. So if we say anything smart, or we become famous, we and anybody else cannot make a profit of it or even claim it as our own. Weird. I think the capitalist would be against that.
 * Anyways, here is some of the books I can lend you:
 * Non-Fiction Books I have read (because I think you've read all the fiction books I have read)
 * A Short History of Progress - a short sociology book by a Canadian author about the patterns and potential outcome of civilization. NOTE: thankfully avoids doomsday theories for a majority of it
 * Shake Hands with the Devil - meticulous log of the Rwandan genocide by the military leader of the UN Mission for Rwanda. Can be too detailed at times and at 600 pages can take some time to read. Is more of a excellent testement to the Rwandan genocide than a personal and emotional journal.
 * A Briefer History of Time - Stephen Hawking's condensed and updated book on relativity theory and other theories relating to the universe. It is a short and efficient way at aquiring science intellegence. Doesn't have any plump-science-teacher theories.
 * Books I haven't read but you are welcome to borrow
 * Go Ask Alice - one about druggie that new-girl-with-big-hair-and-love-of-lip-gloss read
 * A Clockwork Orange - i'm sure you've heard of it
 * Three Day Road - Canadian, might be a little dull
 * Tokyo Year Zero - sounds interesting, bought it in England
 * The Alchemist
 * Billscottbob 17:44, 1 December 2007 (UTC)
 * You're right about the girl who likes hug people. As for the capitalist, I think the first two are most likely. He's not exactly laid back enough to take life as it is... but there's always hope. That's funny about the copyleft laws. I suppose I'll just have to not say anything quoteable. Not that I ever do anyways. That always makes me despair, other people can say things so much better than I do. And my original ideas have always been taken already. I was worried last year when my social project ended up being a lot like the Apple iPhone, which was released the day after I made my presentation. As for the books, all of the non-fiction interest me, especially A Briefer History of Time, sounds like a good way to learn science. A Clockwork Orange and The Alchemist sound interesting too. I guess just choose one, and I'll read it, I don't have anything to read right now. Have you read Fight Club? Carmabelle7912 23:35, 1 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Yes, ideas do seem to be limited. I'll bring A Briefer History of Time tomorrow. Billscottbob 18:25, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

Sounds spectacular. I just got the Africa issue of Vanity Fair too, so I'll have some good reading ahead of me. I just learnt I have a science test tomorrow though, hope that goes well...Carmabelle7912 04:44, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
 * It's a good issue. I read almost the whole thing. I found out that I have a few 50s and 60s in my science mark from labs. I never knew about it though. Quite a shock. Billscottbob (talk) 16:41, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
 * I forgot to bring it to Boston (I couldn't have read the whole thing anyways), but I'll start again soon. I have a spectacular new issue to lend you when I'm done with it, it's got an awesome article about how badly Bush has screwed their economy. I showed it to Schneider and he said something about how it confirms all of what he had been saying in class. That's too bad about the science labs. I'm sure I've got the same thing... Carmabelle7912 (talk) 20:05, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Haha. He said that that's what he's been trying to say in class? That's very funny. Now you have something to contribute to if you want to: Harvard United Nations simulations. THe high school level is at the bottom. Billscottbob (talk) 20:33, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

I think it was more like that was what he had been saying, and this offered proof. It was some sort of insider/someone in the know. I might contribute to that yet, I don't know. I was glad to be back until I saw all the photos, now I miss it a lot... I think theres one in Georgetown, I want to go to that one! It would be so fun... sigh, I love travelling. Carmabelle7912 (talk) 04:12, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Oh I see. I wish I could have gone. User:Eastonlee is back to making ill-informed Wikipedia edits. He put a deletion template intended for templates on an article. He wants everything on Wikipedia to be deleted. He's a deletionist. I still watch his contributions. Billscottbob (talk) 18:23, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Did you get the email about Berkley? I think they're taking applicants now, theres something like 35 spots so you should get on if you try. That's too bad about User:Eastonlee but I suppose it was to be expected. It's a good thing you're monitoring him. According to their Wikipedia page, LG was known in Japan and surrounding areas as the 'Happy Happy Good Times' company? That doesn't sound like an electronics company... Carmabelle7912 (talk) 01:07, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Well, LG stands for Life's Good (read that on an LG dishwasher that had a play button to start it). So I guess it makes sense. Billscottbob (talk) 02:20, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
 * P.S. Look at this: Fraser Institute. Libertarian think tank promoting legalization of Cannabis (drug)? Billscottbob (talk) 05:13, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

I remember you telling me that. It does make sense, although it seems quite redundant. And as for the Fraser Institute... I don't quite know what to say, although it fits right in to a typical BC stereotype. Hurrah for hippies! It's funny to think that this is the revered institution that rates our school. Although from the description it sounds rather capitalist. Carmabelle7912 (talk) 18:15, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
 * I just couldn't get over the fact that THIS is what rates our school. THIS is what teachers brag about. A bunch of dope smoking libertarians. Just kidding; that was a little harsh. They're still respectable just not impartial. Billscottbob (talk) 23:40, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Haha I know what you mean. I suppose money holds more prestige than we'd thought. That doesn't sound too harsh from the looks of it, I'm surprised they're open enough about it to have it right at the top of their Wikipedia page! Well, now when they mention the Fraser report we can inwardly laugh skeptically. Although I'm sure their report is quite reputable. Carmabelle7912 (talk) 02:40, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
 * You just think impartiality would be the most important part. Not in Alberta. Conservative is norm and that makes it impartial because since impartiality is unattainable it becomes moderation relative to societies perception of norm. That's my copylefted philosophy. Haha.
 * Funny you mention changing it from the top of their Wikipedia page. On the article's talk page editors were recording anon IP adresses that they thought were Fraser Insitute editors. You're not allowed to edit pages about yourself or organizations you represent (WP:COI). Billscottbob (talk) 03:06, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

That reminds me about Gonzo journalism, as far as I can tell its modelled after the theory that because you obviously can't be impartial, or 'objective', then you really shouldn't try at all, and instead write articles from a really personal perspective (I think I told you about it once or twice). It also sounds like its based on Hunter S. Thompson's realization that a deadline was approaching and he didn't have anything written save for the stuff in his notebook. Your philosophy sounds pretty accurate to me. That makes sense not being allowed to edit pages about yourself, and especially about your company, I think they've had trouble with politicians and governments trying to make their organization sound better. I recall reading something about the Conservatives doing that... Carmabelle7912 (talk) 05:26, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Yes, you told me about that. As long as you sound respectable, you can certainly get away with stuff like that. I'm sure every organization has violated WP:COI. Some schools have basically had their PR department write the article.
 * I don't know if you'll find this funny, because I didn't think you concentrate on vandalism, but I found it hilarious.
 * Billscottbob (talk) 00:45, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Probably, it would be a good PR boost unless they got caught out. I always wanted to edit my own page, if ever I were famous enough to warrant one; but it makes sense that I shouldn't be able to...
 * That is funny, though I don't quite get it admittedly.
 * Sorry I didn't reply in so long, I'd forgotten for a bit and only recently remembered. It's been such a while. I was reading about the Chicxulub Crater, especially the effects- wouldn't that be so catastrophic? We wouldn't have a clue what to do, I imagine most of us would die rather quickly. But putting precautionary measures in place would cost far too much for so slight a possibility.
 * I've remembered too, the book I said you should read is 'We Did Nothing' by Linda Polman. I'm sorry to keep recommending you books, but this one is absolutely terrific. It sounds like she's got the UN bang on, she really stresses that its an international organization and not its own body. It blew my mind, and made me want to be a journalist. Carmabelle7912 (talk) 23:49, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
 * It's funny because you'll get articles that sound just like advertisements.
 * Yes, that is quite catastrophic. Now if something like that happens we'll know ahead of time. I'm not sure if that is a good thing or a bad thing. Awareness of helplessness is a bad way to go.
 * If that book is absolutely brilliant I will add it to my very EXCLUSIVE list of books. Doesn't that make me sound important instead of busy or a person whom prioritizes reading very low.
 * Billscottbob (talk) 02:35, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

That's borderline ironic, considering their no-advertisement policy. Have they finished their fundraiser then? Not having the banner makes the pages seem so bare now. Yeah, I don't know if I would want to know about my death. In one way I would, because then I might have the courage to do stuff like skydive and quit work and visit every country on the planet, but on the other side knowledge of my imminent death would probably tear me apart... and then I'd die crazy, which I'm sure is no way to go. It really is. I thought so anyways. She's so bang on the issue, and I love how she doesn't bad mouth the UN because she grasps so fully that it's not really its own organization. And I thought I liked Clinton, but no longer after hearing her mention several times how idiotic his 'The UN should just say No' speech was. I think I'm going to use it as my non-fiction for English. An exclusive list, eh... that sounds like a brilliant idea. I think its time I revamped my own list, and prioritized my book cupboard...Carmabelle7912 (talk) 05:43, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
 * The fundraiser banners were really annoying. You can buy Wikipedia merchandise to raise money; you can get t-shirts and stuff. Speaking of T-Shirts, tall-lanky-dark-haired-boy got a Jetman (video game) t-shirt.
 * That book sounds really good. It really was a mistake reading Shake Hands with the Devil. I should have read something a little more personal, not so meticulously filled with facts and dates. For what it is, I admire it. But I should have read some other book on Rwanda. Shake Hands with the Devil very successfuly convinced me of the UNs buearocracy trap. Even though its kind of unfair to look at it from his perspective, he was leading a mission considered so unimportant at the time. I want to read your book but I'm afraid all of these would turn me off of the UN. I would love to work there, but the buearocracy would mean long years climbing the power ladder, frustration and well...just buearocracy.
 * On a different note, is UNEP a good committee? I'm not really looking forward to it.
 * Billscottbob (talk) 03:45, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah, they were definetely unnerving at first, I'd only just gotten used to them when all of a sudden they got enough funds. They must have gotten some big contributions all of a sudden. I'm not sure who the tall-lanky-dark-haired-boy is, but I have some guesses...
 * It is. It stills makes the UN look like a real bureaucracy, but she places the blame squarely on member states and red tape in the charter, and not on UN officials. She's quite sympathetic to observers and blue helmets, it made me want to be part of the UN, or a journalist or something similar, it sounds frustrating but really interesting. That's too bad about Shake Hands with the Devil, it sounded like an interesting book. I'd like to work in politics or the UN, but the power ladder really does sound like it takes such a long time to climb... I might be better off as a MILOB, although the risks might be too high for me...
 * I'm not sure about UNEP, I don't really know anything about it. It's less about the committee and more about the topics, too- do you know what yours are yet? Carmabelle7912 (talk) 04:43, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
 * An MILOB would be very risky without much acknoledgement but personally gratifing and endlessly intriguing.
 * We talked about my committee topics (Electronic Waste). I think I might complain. I'm actually really upset about it.
 * I hate January so much. It's like my time of the month year. Everything makes me so cranky and I want to crawl into bed and sleep all through it. I think I was meant to hibernate. I feel so stressed and there's no work I actually have to do.
 * Anyways, more complaining: MUN means a lot to me and I'm already dreading just because I'm in a long-term bad mood. Maybe I could make up some syndrome; how about Post-Winter Break Syndrome and recieve paid time off of work (not that I go to work) and paid therapy sessions. Haha.
 * That was another session of Complaining with Billscottbob (talk) 01:40, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, another option might be better for me, seeing as I seem to suffer sometimes from anxiety (pregnancy will about kill me), although I'd still want to work either for or alongside the UN. I can understand that. I've forgotten what your other topic was; I think it was water management or something, in which case I wouldn't worry about Electronic Waste because it probably won't be chosen first so you almost guaranteed won't get around to it. I'd be upset too, and probably would want to complain, although I wouldn't know how to go about that... are there any groups with less experience working on better topics? You could propose a trade with them (although that might not work if they're Yemen, because I'm sure Schneids wants more experience on SA). But even then you'll probably be okay even if you don't trade... some of the stuff people said in committee was incredibly boring and repetitive, but I still had fun once I realized nobody was expecting me to get an award. That's really important, lower expectations of yourself (however counterintuitive it may seem). I don't like January either. I can't wait at all until spring, it's so much prettier out here... the weather is getting me down. I wish it would get cold and snow. That sounds like an excellent syndrome. If I was a doctor, I would publish a paper legitimizing PWBS, and then a university would accept me as a prof because I'd have something published. That was really long I think... I really want a banana smoothie, but I don't want the mess or the noise. How do I balance this??Carmabelle7912 (talk) 05:43, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm sick today, so I sent an e-mail to Mr. Schneider. I feel like a prick for doing it though. Here it is. Haha, now its copylefted.
 * Mr. Schneider,


 * I am sick today and will not be able to attend the meeting during BLT today. I hope there is another time we can meet as - other than Grade 9 MUN - I am relatively new to MUN.


 * I haven't had access to my computer for quite some time due to technical issues and I only just recieved the committee selections and partner list today. I was wondering if the committee selections were final because the UNEP topics are not of particular interest to me. More importantly though, I do not know my partner and I think it would be easier to work, and write a position paper with, somebody in my grade or who I already know. I hope its not to late to make ammendments.


 * Although somewhat new to MUN, I put considerable effort into it last year and leading the China delegation on Darfur was one of the highlights of my year as I was awarded Head Delegate. Forgive me if I sound ungrateful or excessively anxious but I simply want to get the most out of such an amazing oppurtunity.


 * Thank you,
 * Billy
 * Wow, I feel like a prick. I would never say that to his face.
 * I know how you feel about the bananna smoothy. You could create a syndrome called Sloth-like Laziness Syndrome with a combination of Aversion to Loud Noises Syndrome.
 * Billscottbob (talk) 18:43, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
 * I wondered where you were. Sigh, I'm in math now and I've finished my workbook, but she's still talking. By the way, our midterm is a Mercer Test.
 * It actually doesn't sound bad, it sounds really professional. I wouldn't have been able to make it sound that good. Hopefully he'll switch you around, but I imagine that even if he doesn't it won't be because he thinks you're a prick, but only because of logistical issues.
 * I ended up making it. It was lovely and completely worth it. That sounds like a realistic syndrome... I definetely have that.
 * Hmm, I'm going to Jeanette's tonight, and apparently we're going to meet up with Geoff... I'm terribly afraid I'll be a third wheel, wouldn't that be horrid? Oh well. Hope you get better, too. Carmabelle7912 (talk) 19:37, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks, that makes me feel better. I'm mostly concerned about my partner (from this point forward referred to as "shifty eyes").
 * Haha, third wheel, never heard that term before. I would join to save you, but I'm going to Kicking Horse Resort (article that I have contributed to a lot).
 * Billscottbob (talk) —Preceding comment was added at 21:01, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

Shifty eyes, hmm... I don't know that I've ever seen him, but I suppose it's an accurate description. Has Schneider replied yet? Yeah, I hope I didn't just make it up. But I think it's right. Actually, according to Wikipedia ('God'), its a corruption of fifth wheel. That's too bad, about being unable to join, but Kicking Horse should be fun. I've never actually been there, as far as I can remember. Are you going for the whole weekend? Carmabelle7912 (talk) 21:44, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
 * No, he didn't reply. I don't really want to take care of it, to be honest. Yah, I was gone for the whole weekend. I'm definately sick with something, which is bad. Lots of people seem to be sick right now. Summary: BAAAAHHHH! Billscottbob (talk) 04:28, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
 * That was startling, coming across such an empty page.
 * Yeah, I know what you mean, sometimes I really just want to wash my hands of bureaucracy and figuring things out etc. I did, however, figure out what I'm going to do for my gap year, which was a triumph- I'm going to be an au pair girl, which sounds really perfect.
 * Hopefully it will work out. Schneids is probably quite understanding. Even if you don't get switched, its still quite fun even if the topic is boring. Make sure to send amusing notes.
 * That sucks. I don't like being sick, although I love staying home and having an excuse to watch TV, drink sprite, and take NyQuil. It gives me such a lovely deep sleep.
 * That's an effective summary. Are you coming to school tomorrow, or are you just going to relax?Carmabelle7912 (talk) 04:58, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I archived it. I thought it was time. I was thinking of setting it up for automatic archival, but it doesn't work when we don't use headers.
 * I only enjoy Wikipedia buearocracy because its not that beauocratic (See WP:IAR). That would be cool for a gap year. If learning French is a priority. I want to be a ski bum.
 * We are all drug-addicts.
 * Billscottbob (talk) 04:02, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

I didn't know that was a policy- its such a lovely, thoughtful policy, because if you abuse it you still get, well, whatever Wikipedia does to offenders, but if you followed it for a reason it's okay. It's a good law. You don't have to go to France, it's just based on a French term- I was looking on an au pair site and it made me so sad I wasn't 18, because there was this lovely looking couple with infant twins who live in a house built in about the 1830s about 20 minutes from London in an old town with the oldest pub in Europe (I think, either Europe or England)- but I suppose when I get out of school there'll be another couple like that. Although France would be really cool, I bet I could find English expats there. Being a ski bum sounds awesome too. You could try going to the Southern hemisphere in the summer too, that way you're travelling and skiing at the same time! Yes, in our own domestic and socially acceptable way... I've gone through Tylenol addictions myself, but I find Tylenol never works from the get-go so it really is impossible to become addicted. Carmabelle7912 (talk) 05:01, 15 January 2008 (UTC)
 * I'd love to ski in the southern hemisphere. Giving you information about UNAMIR is making me recall the book. Its actually quite exciting, for me. Its all about socially acceptable. Billscottbob (talk) 03:01, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
 * I bet Chile and Argentina would be pretty cool. I'd love to go there sometime, Peru is my first step. It was also on the top of my 'Southern-Hemisphere-Countries-To-Visit List' so I sort of lucked out.
 * I haven't read the genocide document yet but the other information is absolutely superb. I'll never be able to concentrate my arguments enough, but that's okay, I think I have everything I need now. Thanks so very, very much... I'll have to read the book sometime, but I figured that I wouldn't have enough time in order to make the deadline, and Wikipedia was the only other reliable option. Thanks again. Carmabelle7912 (talk) 05:01, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
 * I've never been in the Southern Hemisphere. I hope that learning Spanish will be a good incentive.
 * No problem. Sorry, but I can't find the page numbers. Its a pretty massive book. It was funny this morning when Easton challenged me about the Rwandan genocide. Its funny how everybody in Canada looks at Shake Hands with the Devil as the bible on Rwanda. The rest of the world looks at Samantha Power's books. Billscottbob (talk) 02:33, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

Me neither. The only Spanish I know is 'hola chica' and a swear, so I hope they speak English... what an anglocentric hope, but I can't help it. I think everyone at the school will anyways. That's okay, I'm sure they're terrifically hard to find. I have a hard enough time finding stuff in magazines. I couldn't hear what he was saying, but I'm sure it was radical and potentially based on an unreliable source. He thrives on argumentation. I admit I haven't read any of her books, or really heard of them, but it is funny how Canadians love to really push 'Canadian' things. We have such a weird national pride, I don't really care for it... Carmabelle7912 (talk) 03:46, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Canadian's have pride over their lack of Canadian pride. They actually have quite a bit of pride, but are so proud that they don't even realize they have Canadian pride. When you're overseas with Canadians they go on about good they are at hockey and how bad Americans are in comparison to the glorious Canadians. Hypocrites. Billscottbob (talk) 02:14, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
 * I have made those exact observations before- we're such idiots sometimes. Even worse is that the stuff we are proud of often pales in comparison to stuff other countries are proud of, especially our authors. Canadians seem to enjoy reading literature by Canadian authors, even though there are better books out there. Although, sometimes I find myself being somewhat hypocritical and taking pride in something because its Canadian. But then I catch myself.
 * I did have an almost-pride moment, when I saw on the front page of the Herald that people in Washington were protesting our oil and had signs with maple leafs on them, and I thought 'Wow, we're actually important enough to protest!' or something like that. It was kind of cool.
 * Another 'unpride' pride I don't like is the indie culture. Especially how they seem to think they're all individuals and unique, but they all dress the same and act the same and are becoming mainstream... its a bit funny, because Jeanette's such a staunch 'indie', but I just don't trust it... those damn anti-conformists!Carmabelle7912 (talk) 05:02, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
 * I hate how our librarian would really prefer to have an All-Canadian library.
 * I think its safe to say we're important. I also think its safe to say that we are a compromise between the high quality of life in Scandinavian countries and that big pit o thriving capitalism down south. Sorry did that sound biased? haha. I'm not anti-capitalist just anti-American.
 * Anti-conformists conform to anti-conformity. Its pretty much a fact, otherwise you would never be able to identify an indie, goth, punk, emo, whatever.
 * Billscottbob (talk) 05:37, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

Yes, me too. That is the only problem I have with Ms Harrison, that she uses Canadian literature and is making us read a Canadian book for bookclub. Unfortunately for us I really haven't found any good Canadian books... In some respects we are, yes. We've got a big enough economy to matter. But it was interesting to see how they gave Canada in HMUN to a school from Hong Kong that had learnt English as a second language, and no one noticed what they said anyways. And it was even funnier when we watched a documentary about the UN and they were looking for funds for MONUC, and she mentioned Canada but then said we didn't have enough money. I find I'm largely anti-American, and plan to give up my dual citizenship, but when I actually go down there it's not all that different from Canada, only bigger, and brighter, and newer, and the people are often nicer. There's more extremes there. I just can't stand their government. Definitely- I imagine its always been that way. You might as well conform, and express yourself through your opinions... Carmabelle7912 (talk) 05:58, 19 January 2008 (UTC)
 * We can be proud about creating 'peacekeeping' even though it doesn't work that well any more. And Canada has committed troops to every peacekeeping mission endorsed by the UN. Whether we were any help is an entirely different matter. I wonder what Dallaire would say about peacemaking.
 * You're an American citizen? This is a long time in the future but when you die the US will claim huge Inheritance Tax from your family, regardless of whether you have ever lived in the States. I think its 45% or something ridiculous like that.
 * I thought it was interesting to learn that the United States was founded by Seperatist Puritans. Now that's an extreme if I ever did saw one (commentary on Southern US grammer intended). Their government is so complicated. Its amazing how much power the President has. I was surprised when we learned about Parliamentary sovereignty of the Canadian Government. Stuff like the Notwithstanding Clause are pretty interesting. Then again constitutional law seemed to bore everyone else.Billscottbob (talk) 17:32, 19 January 2008 (UTC)
 * That's true. Although in the case of Somalia we were really detrimental to the mission... the author of that book said the only troops who were worse were the Italians, who completely ignored the UN and paid Aideed protection money...
 * Yeah, I was born in Seattle but we moved back when I was 4, my parents never even got citizenships. That really sucks, does it still count if I give up my citizenship? I suppose I'll do that if I don't end up living there, and I don't think I will.
 * It sort of made sense, I found it really interesting as it was more or less the foundation for anti-British sentiment... the Brits were more or less doomed from the start... I often can't make head or tail of how they work, especially their elections. I don't often find constitutional law very interesting, but I remember reading somewhere here that a relative genius and good friend of Einstein had found a loophole in the US constitution that allowed for a dictatorship... I can't remember who said it though! Stuff like that interests me at any rate. Carmabelle7912 (talk) 23:44, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Oh Candada (no pun intended)
 * If you give up your citizenship then its fine.
 * That is quite interesting. But then again, dictatorship can be achieved many different ways, espcially when parliament is granted supremacy (as in Canada, sort of). On the other hand, why would a parliament ever vote for the dictatorship of one person, unless under duress or one-party rule. However, it could be said that Hitler became a dictator democratically. How many times did I swtich sides there? 4, i think. Billscottbob (talk) 00:17, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

That's good. I'd like to give it up and get something else in its place, probably British but perhaps French... although, knowing my general lack of initiative, I'll probably end up in Calgary. I wish I could remember who it was. I want to look at their constitution to see if I can find it, but I probably would miss it... there really are a lot of ways to get a dictatorship. It could be sort of fun, but very stressfull... yeah, you crossed about 4 times there, even worse that Belinda Stronach! That was my political joke of the day... Carmabelle7912 (talk) 00:40, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Political joke that I didn't get. Sorry, I'm not very good with people.
 * Do you think I should nominate myself for adminship? I have over 1000 edits now.
 * Can you please read User:Billscottbob/Assessing reliability for me and make any changes you think are neccesary. You have a nack for writing so I thought your help would be valuable.
 * Thanks Billscottbob (talk) 02:54, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Oh, Belinda Stronach was the Conservative who crossed the floor to the Liberal party... I think there was something about her former boyfriend calling her a dog too but her article doesn't mention it.
 * Yeah, you definetely should, I don't know much about it but I'm sure you'd get it. Do most people nominate themselves? I could always nominate you if that works better, but I wouldn't know quite how.
 * Sure, I haven't looked at it yet but I can later or in CALM. What is it? Carmabelle7912 (talk) 04:59, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
 * I think I have heard of this lady
 * I'm not sure yet, I think I'll wait a bit
 * Its a guide to assessing the reliability of a given article. Its gotten pretty positive feedback so far.
 * Billscottbob (talk) 19:58, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

She used to be in the news as she ran for Conservative leadership a couple of years ago but she's faded out now. I'm not sure how involved she still is. I read it, its quite good. I knew more or less all of it but its nice to have stuff like that compiled in a cohesive manner. I liked how you adeptly stepped around saying that the average Wikipedian fits exactly into the mold of our techies. Carmabelle7912 (talk) 00:58, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your edits, everything helps. I have a couple of people on the talk page discussing things that were relevant but then went completely off topic. Eventually I'm going to move it to Assessing reliability so I can't really talk about our techies. Even though whoever the techie was who I contacted was quite pompous, quite like a Wikipedian. Billscottbob (talk) 01:53, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
 * If you look at it I didn't really edit much. It was extremely well written from the start. Does that mean it becomes more official and less of an opinion/essay? That would be cool. I wish I knew who that techie was. By the way, the new techie (I think his name is Mr. Park) is much nicer than Mr. Steinke. He hasn't been corrupted yet by our innate ability to destroy laptops... Carmabelle7912 (talk) 05:43, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Its more official in the sense that its more widely accepted.
 * He's either really naive or just nice. Billscottbob (talk) 02:10, 31 January 2008 (UTC)