User talk:Billy Hathorn/Archive 2

AfD nomination of Howard F. Barrett
An editor has nominated Howard F. Barrett, an article on which you have worked or that you created, for deletion. We appreciate your contributions, but the nominator doesn't believe that the article satisfies Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion and has explained why in his/her nomination (see also "What Wikipedia is not"). Your opinions on whether the article meets inclusion criteria and what should be done with the article are welcome; please participate in the discussion by adding your comments at and please be sure to sign your comments with four tildes ( ~ ). You may also edit the article during the discussion to improve it but should not remove the articles for deletion template from the top of the article; such removal will not end the deletion debate. Thank you. Please note: This is an automatic notification by a bot. I have nothing to do with this article or the deletion nomination, and can't do anything about it. Jayden54Bot 18:59, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

AfD nomination of Jack B. Harper
I've nominated Jack B. Harper, an article you created, for deletion. We appreciate your contributions, but in this particular case I do not feel that Jack B. Harper satisfies Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion; I have explained why in the nomination space (see also "What Wikipedia is not" and the Wikipedia deletion policy). Your opinions on the matter are welcome; please participate in the discussion by adding your comments at Articles for deletion/Jack B. Harper and please be sure to sign your comments with four tildes ( ~ ). You are free to edit the content of Jack B. Harper during the discussion but should not remove the articles for deletion template from the top of the article; such removal will not end the deletion discussion. Thank you.

AfD nomination of Floyd H. Long
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AfD nomination of Arnold Jack Rosenthal
I've nominated Arnold Jack Rosenthal, an article you created, for deletion. We appreciate your contributions, but in this particular case I do not feel that Arnold Jack Rosenthal satisfies Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion; I have explained why in the nomination space (see also "What Wikipedia is not" and the Wikipedia deletion policy). Your opinions on the matter are welcome; please participate in the discussion by adding your comments at Articles for deletion/Arnold Jack Rosenthal and please be sure to sign your comments with four tildes ( ~ ). You are free to edit the content of Arnold Jack Rosenthal during the discussion but should not remove the articles for deletion template from the top of the article; such removal will not end the deletion discussion. Thank you. --Dhartung | Talk 05:27, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

Sources for your articles
Apparently the primary source for the bio articles in here is your unpublished master's thesis : Billy Hathorn, "The Republican Party in Louisiana, 1920-1980," Master's thesis (1980), Northwestern State University at Natchitoches. This does not count as a RS, and WP is not a place to transfer the pages from your OR. Even if it were to be published it would probably violate the intent of NOR.DGG 23:49, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

How not to write bio articles
The subject of the bio is notable. His or her children and parents are not notable, though they are usually mentioned. His or her spouse(es) are notable/. The details of their life and career are not, unless they are notable in their own right. The details of the early education are only of minor interest, along with the details of the early career, unless famous for that career. The details of whom the subject defeated in elections are not--if the opponents are notable, they will have their own articles. The details of the subjects illness are not, and--if living--are dubious also under BLP.

As for style, when a link to a WP article for a person is given, the b and d years are not usually required, for they will be in the linked article. It just adds to the clutter for the linked years. When a person is in a category, it automatically places the person in supercategories. Encyclopedic wording requires conciseness- the expansion of the exposition into as many sentences as possible is typical of obituary writing and political advertising, and inappropriate here. \

If too much or the wrong kind of detail is given, it tends, rightly or wrongly, to arouse suspicion of copyvio, personal or political advertising, spam, POV, and COI. This tends to make an article susceptible to AfD. Many of your articles have already been nominated for AfD, though not yet by me. If you are going to do the work, write them so they stay in. You will of course understand, that this is a friendly comment.DGG 04:38, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

Problem
Hello, and welcome to Wikipedia. We appreciate your, but for legal reasons, we cannot accept copyrighted text or images borrowed from other web sites or printed material, and as a consequence, your addition will most likely be deleted.

Feel free to re-submit a new version of the article. You may use external websites as a source of information, but not as a source of sentences. This part is crucial: say it in your own words.

If the external website belongs to you, and you want to allow Wikipedia to use the text — which means allowing other people to modify it — then you must include on the external site the statement "I, (name), am the author of this article, (article name), and I release its content under the terms of the GNU Free Documentation License, Version 1.2 and later."

You might want to look at Wikipedia's policies and guidelines for more details, or ask a question here. You can also leave a message on my talk page. DS 20:45, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

Bickley
A tag has been placed on Cecil A. Bickley, requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done because the article seems to be about a person, group of people, band, club, company, or web content, but it does not indicate how or why the subject is notable: that is, why an article about that subject should be included in Wikipedia. Under the criteria for speedy deletion, articles that do not assert notability may be deleted at any time. Please see the guidelines for what is generally accepted as notable, and if you can indicate why the subject of this article is notable, you may contest the tagging. To do this, add  on the top of the page (below the existing db tag) and leave a note on the article's talk page explaining your position. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself, but don't hesitate to add information to the article that would confirm its subject's notability under the guidelines.

For guidelines on specific types of articles, you may want to check out our criteria for biographies, for web sites, for bands, or for companies. Feel free to leave a note on my talk page if you have any questions about this.

Salinas
==Copyright issue with :== Hello. Concerning your contribution, :, we cannot accept copyrighted text or images borrowed from either web sites or printed material. This article or image appears to be a direct copy from. As a copyright violation, : appears to qualify for speedy deletion under the speedy deletion criteria. : has been tagged for deletion, and may have been deleted by the time you see this message. For text material, please consider rewriting the content and citing the source, provided that it is credible.

If you believe that the article or image is not a copyright violation, or if you have permission from the copyright holder to release the content freely under the GNU Free Documentation License (GFDL) then you should do one of the following:


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 * If a note on the original website states that re-use is permitted under the GFDL or released into the public domain leave a note at Talk: with a link to where we can find that note.
 * If you own the copyright to the material: send an e-mail from an address associated with the original publication to permissions-en(at)wikimedia(dot)org or a postal message to the Wikimedia Foundation permitting re-use under the GFDL, and note that you have done so on Talk:.

However, for text content, you may want to consider rewriting the content in your own words. Thank you, and please feel free to continue contributing to Wikipedia. DGG 04:56, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
 * I note that apparently another ed. felt that the amount copied was not so great or so close as to warrant deletion of the article -- thats why we let all eds have a say--I can accept that.DGG 04:01, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

Dates, places, and links
Please see the comment on the Malcolm P. Herbert talk page. DGG 04:01, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Related question: place. I tried editing one of the articles removing the town and parish of the peripheral characters in the plot, but I soon realized that it did help tell them apart. But again, just as you suggested on my talk page, this might be limited to the immediately relevant ones--and perhaps not both town and parish, especially for the larger towns. I recognize sometimes it's relevant, eg., is the opponent from the same immediate locality. So I'm going to check over what I did, and you too might make it read smoother this way, too, for you can select better than I can.
 * Except for people like monarchs and presidents, the bio articles here usually mention only the brothers and sisters and children, not the grandchildren. Birth date is I suppose relevant for brothers and sisters at least. (Similarly parents with both dates)
 * Links in general--I think you are using a program that automatically links the first mention of a particular year in the narrative. But this does not always make sense, because the use of this link is to produce: Events during ____, and probably it should be linked only for key events, such as the year of an election. Links to professions, etc.: some people do link al such words the first time they occur,but again, I think it's confusing. I am also wondering about links to such words as Senator--I think in most places they too slow down the narrative. People reading one of these articles will know what a senator is.

I'm enjoying reading them all, so thanks. IDGG 23:59, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

Copyright issue with Ralph E. Maurer}}}
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However, for text content, you may want to consider rewriting the content in your own words. Thank you, and please feel free to continue contributing to Wikipedia. -  irides centi   (talk to me!)  16:32, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

Dr. Maurer
B/ Published medical work of their own in books or numerous articles in peer-reviewed journals C/ Membership in a major specialty society,  D/ membership in the appropriate elite professional society, such as FACS or FACP,   E/ An award of some kind--the profession gives  out many awards, so any notable doctor will have at least one or two,  F/ Articles about their work in medical or general journals. For physicians before the 1950s, C/ & D/ are sometimes not necessary I advise you to stick with politicians.
 * 1) For physicians, the form of the name used is Dr.Ralph E. Maurer which usually avoids ambiguity
 * 2) . Physicians are added to WP if their professional accomplishments are notable. This has usually required at least some of the following: A/appointments as clinical professors in medical schools
 * 1) With politicians you've been using a loophole about the stat legislatures. There isn't one here.
 * 1) If you really want to do medical biographies, get a list of the members of the National Academy of Medicine and do each of them. The members of the national Academy of Science already mostly have articles.
 * 2) The amount of detail in a professional bio is limited to the education and immediate family and anything really interesting--e.g., some are also poets or musicians..
 * 3) I very strongly advise you NOT to include the final paragraph from the obit. It makes every article you do look suspicious, even if rewritten. The usual place to give the names of spouses and children is either at the end of the lede paragraph, of right after the education. For living minor children, birthdates are not usually given unless the guy has listed them on his own web p. DGG 17:29, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

AfD nomination of James H. Boyce
An editor has nominated James H. Boyce, an article on which you have worked or that you created, for deletion. We appreciate your contributions, but the nominator doesn't believe that the article satisfies Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion and has explained why in his/her nomination (see also "What Wikipedia is not"). Your opinions on whether the article meets inclusion criteria and what should be done with the article are welcome; please participate in the discussion by adding your comments at and please be sure to sign your comments with four tildes ( ~ ). You may also edit the article during the discussion to improve it but should not remove the articles for deletion template from the top of the article; such removal will not end the deletion debate. Thank you. Please note: This is an automatic notification by a bot. I have nothing to do with this article or the deletion nomination, and can't do anything about it. Jayden54Bot 19:00, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

noticed your long talk page
If you decide you want to archive it, let me know, I would be happy to help. Nice work on Steve Scalise.  K u k i ni  hablame aqui 01:59, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

Kukini, thanks, could you send me a Wikipedia email address?

Billy Hathorn 19:54, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

Re:consensus of administrators
Not exactly; WP has very particular policies on what may or may not be included, and how one may go about meeting those criteria. In one instance there was copyright violation, and in another you cited your own work. In other cases, the minimum requirements for notability were not met. This is a particular problem with "local history" type articles - Wikipedia has a much larger audience than a town, city, or state, and therefore needs to reflect that when deciding who or what is included. The point of AfD is to get more than one person's opinion, and clearly there were more people than just one or two who thought your articles didn't meet requirements, or violated some other policy.

I also highly doubt that it's a personal issue; I have found that if someone has made one article that doesn't meet requirements, they've usually made more, and just because no one saw said article before doesn't mean it gets a bye and may remain on the site. Policies and guidelines have to be applied uniformly regardless of spans of time or other circumstances; it's the only way that Wikipedia can fulfill its function.

All that said, though, the solution to your problem is simple: before creating an article, make sure you know what criteria need to be met in order for an article to be included here, and make sure you have third party objective sources to show that those criteria are met. MSJapan 20:55, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

Re: Cecil A. Bickely article
Actually, I did not nominate the article for DYK, I just notified you that it was on the page.

As for the deletion, someone nominated it for deletion &mdash; see the archived discussion on deletion, Articles for deletion/Cecil A. Bickley. While the article met the DYK selection criteria, that does not automatically mean it will kept in a deletion discussion. The discussion followed the AFD process - with 5 days for discussion, and a unanimous delete consensus.

If after reading the section of the Deletion policy on review, you feel that it should be undeleted, the process for appealing the decision is outlined in Deletion review.

&mdash; User: (talk) 03:28, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

Roy_O._Martin.2C_Jr.
As per your remarks on the AfD discussion page, I've created a request for a deletion review for this article on your behalf at DRV. -  irides centi   (talk to me!)  20:07, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for placing the request properly
Thank you for placing the request on the right page. It is confusing to me as to where such requests go. Billy Hathorn 20:27, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

Troubles
Hi Billy. You seem to be a prolific writer of biography articles, but most seem to bring problems. If you were to footnote the sentences in your articles and follow WikiProject Biography 11 easy steps to producing at least a B article, I really think that you could clear up most of the problems that you are having. To give you an idea of how you might revise your work, take a look at User:Jreferee/Contributions, such as Serge Voronoff. Notice how in Serge Voronoff just about every sentence (except the lead paragraph) is footnoted. Also note how the format follows WikiProject Biography 11 easy steps to producing at least a B article. Footnotes and format really are the way to keep others from submitting your article to AfD. If you would like help on any of this, please let me know. -- Jreferee 18:44, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

Please do not post on talk archive pages
...as you did here. The archive pages even have a large notice at the top indicating that they are not to be edited. If you wish to contact someone, please post your notice on their regular talk page (in this case, this page). Thanks! ··· 日本穣 ? · Talk to Nihon joe 19:33, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

WikiProjects can not delete articles
Your post here is misplaced as WikiProject Japan can not delete anything (being only a loose organization of editors). Only administrators can delete articles. Please make sure you post your comments to the correct page in order to avoid any confusion. ··· 日本穣 ? · Talk to Nihon joe 16:30, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

Ben Nighthorse Campbell
Thank you for experimenting with the page Ben Nighthorse Campbell on Wikipedia. Your test worked, and it has been reverted or removed. Please use the sandbox for any other tests you may want to do. Take a look at the welcome page to learn more about contributing to our encyclopedia. -- Orange Mike 23:23, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

Edward Herschler
Hi. I went ahead and redirected Edgar Herschler to Edward Herschler for you. Thanks. - CosmicPenguin (Talk) 16:59, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

Capitalization changes
Hey, I see that you've gone around and changed a number of the references to Governor and President to president and governor. If you'll read wp:manual of style you'll find the phrase "When referring to a specific office, generally use uppercase" which is usually taken to mean that if a person is running for President, that's short for "President of the United States of America" and is a specific office. If they wanted to be president of a country, any country, it would be lower case. Gruber76 18:36, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

I'm sorry. I didn't mean to sound like such a tool, or to come across as a pedantic sycophant. Gruber76 19:01, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

Notability of Joe A. Kelly
seems to be about a person, group of people, band, club, company, or web content, but it does not indicate how or why the subject is notable: that is, why an article about that subject should be included in an encyclopedia. Under the criteria for speedy deletion, articles that do not assert the subject's importance or significance may be deleted at any time. Please see the guidelines for what is generally accepted as notable. --Android Mouse Bot 2 02:46, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

AfD nomination of Harvey L. Bass
I've nominated Harvey L. Bass, an article you created, for deletion. We appreciate your contributions, but in this particular case I do not feel that Harvey L. Bass satisfies Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion; I have explained why in the nomination space (see also "What Wikipedia is not" and the Wikipedia deletion policy). Your opinions on the matter are welcome; please participate in the discussion by adding your comments at Articles for deletion/Harvey L. Bass (2nd nomination) and please be sure to sign your comments with four tildes ( ~ ). You are free to edit the content of Harvey L. Bass during the discussion but should not remove the articles for deletion template from the top of the article; such removal will not end the deletion discussion. Thank you. Mwelch 01:22, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

AfD nomination of J.E. Airhart
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AfD nomination of Arling Wiederspahn
I've nominated Arling Wiederspahn, an article you created, for deletion. We appreciate your contributions, but in this particular case I do not feel that Arling Wiederspahn satisfies Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion; I have explained why in the nomination space (see also "What Wikipedia is not" and the Wikipedia deletion policy). Your opinions on the matter are welcome; please participate in the discussion by adding your comments at Articles for deletion/Arling Wiederspahn and please be sure to sign your comments with four tildes ( ~ ). You are free to edit the content of Arling Wiederspahn during the discussion but should not remove the articles for deletion template from the top of the article; such removal will not end the deletion discussion. Thank you. Mwelch 01:22, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

Ronald Reagan wikilinks
Hi Billy. I noticed that you tried to help out the Reagan article by adding back some of the recently removed wikilinks to single years, but it just so happens that the reason they were removed was because wikilinking single years is something not recommended by WP:MOS. If you have any questions, please get back to me. Thanks, Happyme22 22:59, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

AfD nomination of Elliot Ross Buckley
I've nominated Elliot Ross Buckley, an article you created, for deletion. We appreciate your contributions, but in this particular case I do not feel that Elliot Ross Buckley satisfies Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion; I have explained why in the nomination space (see also "What Wikipedia is not" and the Wikipedia deletion policy). Your opinions on the matter are welcome; please participate in the discussion by adding your comments at Articles for deletion/Elliot Ross Buckley and please be sure to sign your comments with four tildes ( ~ ). You are free to edit the content of Elliot Ross Buckley during the discussion but should not remove the articles for deletion template from the top of the article; such removal will not end the deletion discussion. Thank you. --Fresh 02:13, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

AfD nomination of Eugene P. Watson
I've nominated Eugene P. Watson, an article you created, for deletion. We appreciate your contributions, but in this particular case I do not feel that Eugene P. Watson satisfies Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion; I have explained why in the nomination space (see also "What Wikipedia is not" and the Wikipedia deletion policy). Your opinions on the matter are welcome; please participate in the discussion by adding your comments at Articles for deletion/Eugene P. Watson and please be sure to sign your comments with four tildes ( ~ ). You are free to edit the content of Eugene P. Watson during the discussion but should not remove the articles for deletion template from the top of the article; such removal will not end the deletion discussion. Thank you. --Fresh 19:27, 4 June 2007 (UTC)--Fresh 02:13, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

Red River
Hi, A year ago, you added some information to Red River about a navigation project (diff). However, you appended it to a paragraph that discusses the 19th-century project that cleared the Great Raft from the river. I would think that the two projects are unrelated. Could you clarify? --Smack (talk) 23:11, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

This is what I added, I think. I should be in a separate paragraph from the information on the logjam. I put it into a separate paragraph.

The Red River Valley Association was formed to lobby Congress to provide funds for the navigation project. Among supporters of the navigation projects were longterm Louisiana Democratic senators, Allen J. Ellender, J. Bennett Johnston, Jr. and Russell B. Long, Louisiana's former Fourth District Congressman Joseph David "Joe D." Waggonner, Jr., and the late Shreveport Mayor Littleberry Calhoun Allen, Jr. This project has been completed and the lock system now allows navigation of barge traffic as far north as Shreveport.

Thanks, BH


 * It reads better now, but still doesn't explain what "the navigation project" and "the lock system" are. --Smack (talk) 21:12, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

Smack, I tried to adjust it again to meet your objections. It may require further research.

Billy Hathorn 00:54, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

Judy Petty Wolf
Hi Billy Hathorn. You are off to such a great start on the article Judy Petty Wolf that it may qualify to appear on Wikipedia's Main Page under the Did you know... section. The Main Page gets about 4,000,000 hits per day and appearing on the Main Page may help bring publicity and assistance to the article. However, there is a five day from article creation window for Did you know... nominations. Before five days pass from the date the article was created and if you haven't already done so, please consider nominating the article to appear on the Main Page by posting a nomination at Did you know suggestions. If you do nominate the article for DYK, please cross out the article name on the "Good" articles proposed by bot list. Also, don't forget to keep checking back at Did you know suggestions for comments regarding your nomination. Again, great job on the article. --  Jreferee  (Talk) 21:05, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the kind words. They are rare on Wikipedia. I don't recall how to put something under DYK. The last time I had an article put under DYK Cecil A. Bickley, it was deleted about two weeks later by irate editors. Could you file this for me?

Just as soon as you made this recommendation, someone falsely charged a copyright violation. Of course, I did write the article from scratch. It was another group that copied this from Wikipedia but with attribution.

Thanks, Billy Hathorn 23:34, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

Ken Coon/Bob Riley article problem
Ken Coon's page: "Riley defeated Coon, 392,896 (62.8 percent) to 233,090 (37.2 percent)."

Bob C. Riley's page: "Riley topped Coon, 392,869 (62.8 percent) to 233,090 (37.2 percent) and secured seventy-two counties."

Presumably only one of them is right.

--RobbieFal 21:11, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

I don't see the problem. Both are correct.

Billy Hathorn 23:50, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

Riley's vote total is given as two different numbers.

--RobbieFal 05:02, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

392,869, correction made

Billy Hathorn 17:09, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

Ok cool. Thanks for including percentages and vote totals for some of the downballot Arkansas races.

--RobbieFal 18:23, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

A tag has been placed on D.L. Dykes, Jr., requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done because the article appears to be about a person, group of people, band, club, company, or web content, but it does not indicate how or why the subject is notable: that is, why an article about that subject should be included in an encyclopedia. Under the criteria for speedy deletion, articles that do not assert the subject's importance or significance may be deleted at any time. Please see the guidelines for what is generally accepted as notable.

If you think that you can assert the notability of the subject, you may contest the deletion by adding  to the top of the page (just below the existing speedy deletion or "db" tag), coupled with adding a note on the article's talk page explaining your position, but be aware that once tagged for speedy deletion, if the article meets the criterion it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself, but don't hesitate to add information to the article that would confirm the subject's notability under Wikipedia guidelines.

For guidelines on specific types of articles, you may want to check out our criteria for biographies, for web sites, for bands, or for companies. Feel free to leave a note on my talk page if you have any questions about this. -- R OGER  TALK 04:28, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

Cecil Morgan
Hi. You are off to such a great start on the article Cecil Morgan that it may qualify to appear on Wikipedia's Main Page under the Did you know... section. The Main Page gets about 4,000,000 hits per day and appearing on the Main Page may help bring publicity and assistance to the article. However, there is a five day from article creation window for Did you know... nominations. Before five days pass from the date the article was created and if you haven't already done so, please consider nominating the article to appear on the Main Page by posting a nomination at Did you know suggestions. If you do nominate the article for DYK, please cross out the article name on the "Good" articles proposed by bot list. Also, don't forget to keep checking back at Did you know suggestions for comments regarding your nomination. Again, great job on the article. -- JayHenry 21:19, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

A tag has been placed on Hodges Gardens State Park, requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under the criteria for speedy deletion, because the article seems to be blatant advertising which only promotes a company, product, group, service or person and would need to be fundamentally rewritten in order to become an encyclopedia article. Please read the general criteria for speedy deletion, particularly item 11, as well as the guidelines on spam.

If you can indicate why the subject of this article is not blatant advertising, you may contest the tagging. To do this, please add  on the top of the page and leave a note on the article's talk page explaining your position. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself, but don't hesitate to add information to the article that would help make it encyclopedic, as well as adding any citations from reliable sources to ensure that the article will be verifiable. Feel free to leave a note on my talk page if you have any questions about this. SamBC(talk) 22:11, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

AfD nomination of Hodges Gardens State Park
Hodges Gardens State Park, an article you created, has been nominated for deletion. We appreciate your contributions. However, an editor does not feel that Hodges Gardens State Park satisfies Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion and has explained why in the nomination space (see also "What Wikipedia is not" and the Wikipedia deletion policy). Your opinions on the matter are welcome; please participate in the discussion by adding your comments at Articles for deletion/Hodges Gardens State Park and please be sure to sign your comments with four tildes ( ~ ). You are free to edit the content of Hodges Gardens State Park during the discussion but should not remove the articles for deletion template from the top of the article; such removal will not end the deletion discussion. Thank you. SamBC(talk) 22:49, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

John K. Snyder
As you're the primary contributor to the John K. Snyder, I was wondering if you could help me. I'm updating List of Georgia Institute of Technology alumni, and your article indicates that Snyder is an alum. Two problems: is there a source (preferably online, but I'll take anything) that states this, and what year did he get out? —Disavian (talk/contribs) 03:54, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

Your recent school article
I'd like to nominate this for the "Did you know" session on the main page.... is the page new? and can we add some missing bits.... e.g. School infobox. What dy think? Victuallers 15:12, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

I was looking for fair quality schools articles produced in the last 5 days .... so key question is ... is your article new? Victuallers 18:37, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

thx for info... got to go to bed (uk time). Pity ... next time ! Victuallers 22:02, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

Frank W. Mayborn DYK
I didn't say anything on the DYK page, but consider the following changes to the article (to insure that it makes DYK). I think people prefer that the DYK fact has an inline citation, which doesn't appear in the article.

The DYK fact mentioned that there were 87 disputed primary votes but it doesn't say so in the article. I have fixed that by adding the fact though it would be better if there is a citation of that fact. Chergles 20:44, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

The DYK was at risk to not being selected. I've fixed it (adding an inline citation to the article) so that your DYK may win. Chergles 17:04, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

Thank you, Chergles, for helping with the DYK. I normally don't fool with those at all, but I thought Frank Mayborn was an important overlooked person. Until I did his bio, I did not know that he cast the tie-breaking vote to certify LBJ as the Senate nominee.

Billy Hathorn 18:25, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

Facts, Sources and Full Citations
You are adding a lot of great facts to Wikipedia, and for that I thank you! However, your edits are fairly poorly sourced, for the most part. If you're grabbing lots of facts from good reference sources, please cite your sources inline. Just putting a list of URLs at the end of the article isn't sufficient. You should probably use the template. The publisher of the web site is usually very relevant and tying it to specific facts through the use of inline citations makes thinks very clear. Adding a template to the references section makes this very easy. Thanks! Toddstreat1 17:58, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

AfD nomination of Merle "Hap" Johnson
An article that you have been involved in editing, Merle "Hap" Johnson, has been listed for deletion. If you are interested in the deletion discussion, please participate by adding your comments at Articles for deletion/. Thank you. Toddstreat1 18:24, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

An article which you started, or significantly expanded, Jesse Bankston, was selected for DYK!
Thanks for your contributions! Nishkid64 (talk) 06:07, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

A tag has been placed on Robert Max Ross requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done because the article appears to be about a person, group of people, band, club, company, or web content, but it does not indicate how or why the subject is notable: that is, why an article about that subject should be included in an encyclopedia. Under the criteria for speedy deletion, articles that do not assert the subject's importance or significance may be deleted at any time. Please see the guidelines for what is generally accepted as notable.

If you think that you can assert the notability of the subject, you may contest the deletion by adding  to the top of the page (just below the existing speedy deletion or "db" tag), coupled with adding a note on the article's talk page explaining your position, but be aware that once tagged for speedy deletion, if the article meets the criterion it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself, but don't hesitate to add information to the article that would confirm the subject's notability under Wikipedia guidelines.

For guidelines on specific types of articles, you may want to check out our criteria for biographies, for web sites, for bands, or for companies. Feel free to leave a note on my talk page if you have any questions about this. Malcolmxl5 23:10, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

Walter Boasso
Thanks for the timely edits to this page. Your recent edit says Boasso "did not carry any of his state's sixty-four parishes" in the gubernatorial contest. Didn't he carry St. Bernard Parish? See: http://www400.sos.louisiana.gov:8090/cgibin/?rqstyp=elcmp&rqsdta=10200710012919 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.230.252.86 (talk) 13:51, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

Bobby Jindal
Billy - sorry for reverting your edit earlier on Bobby Jindal. It was a little too hasty of me. Cheers -Folic_Acid 13:42, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

An article which you started, or significantly expanded, Oscar M. Laurel, was selected for DYK!
Thanks for your contributions! Nishkid64 (talk) 03:38, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

Clarence C. Aycock
Hi there. I happened to notice your post on Carabinieri's talk page.

I have moved the contents of the Clarennce C. Aycock page to Clarence C. Aycock, which already existed as a redirect. All that needs to be done now is get rid of the page with the wrong name. I'm not sure of the best way to do that, but it's probably a merge, so if you'll give me a few minutes I'll find the right template and nominate it for merging. Regards, Gatoclass 18:43, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

Thank you, Gatoclass
Billy Hathorn 18:52, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

No problem, I've listed it for speedy deletion giving the reason that it has the wrong name. An admin will know what to do with it from there :) Gatoclass 19:01, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

DYK nomination
Regarding your DYK nomination for Bob Odom, please see my comment here. Another hook is fine, but soon!--chaser - t 16:56, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

Speedy deletion of Ruth Ulrich
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Speedy deletion of Ruth Ulrich
A tag has been placed on Ruth Ulrich, requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia per speedy deletion criterion A7.

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If you think that this notice was placed here in error, you may contest the deletion by adding  to the top of the page (just below the existing speedy deletion or "db" tag), coupled with adding a note on the article's talk page explaining your position, but be aware that once tagged for speedy deletion, if the article meets the criterion it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself, but don't hesitate to add information to the article that would would render it more in conformance with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines.Toddst1 22:29, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

AfD nomination of Ruth Ulrich
Ruth Ulrich, an article you created, has been nominated for deletion. We appreciate your contributions. However, an editor does not feel that Ruth Ulrich satisfies Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion and has explained why in the nomination space (see also "What Wikipedia is not" and the Wikipedia deletion policy). Your opinions on the matter are welcome; please participate in the discussion by adding your comments at Articles for deletion/Ruth Ulrich and please be sure to sign your comments with four tildes ( ~ ). You are free to edit the content of Ruth Ulrich during the discussion but should not remove the articles for deletion template from the top of the article; such removal will not end the deletion discussion. Thank you. Toddst1 22:50, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
 * could you explain which bot, and why you think the presence of keywords is relevant to a AfD discussion?DGG (talk) 19:34, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

Is it common to delete articles with 145 scores by a bot? And with 40-50 references on search engines? I doubt it.

Billy Hathorn 20:16, 2 November 2007 (UTC)!

2 DYKs
The Agustin Dovalina article was deleted without notification or apparent reason shortly before it was to appear on "Did You Know"? Can you explain how to challenge this bizarre decision? Thanks,

Billy Hathorn 00:29, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

AfD nomination of Robert Max Ross
Robert Max Ross, an article you created, has been nominated for deletion. We appreciate your contributions. However, an editor does not feel that Robert Max Ross satisfies Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion and has explained why in the nomination space (see also "What Wikipedia is not" and the Wikipedia deletion policy). Your opinions on the matter are welcome; please participate in the discussion by adding your comments at Articles for deletion/Robert Max Ross and please be sure to sign your comments with four tildes ( ~ ). You are free to edit the content of Robert Max Ross during the discussion but should not remove the articles for deletion template from the top of the article; such removal will not end the deletion discussion. Thank you. Guy (Help!) 20:24, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

Houston, we have a problem
I'm going to ask you to sit down in a nice comfy chair and read - very carefully - our policy on sourcing. Then our policy on neutrality. After that, our biographical inclusion guidelines. But before you read any of those - and this one is really important - you need to read our policy on living individuals. Twice. Slowly. And then a third time.

I am not joking here. It's a long time since I've seen an account with a deleted edit list as long as yours, and you don't seem to have grasped why these things are being deleted.

So, while we appreciate your enthusiasm, I'd remind you in the most forceful terms possible that Wikipedia is not a tabloid. Thank you. Guy (Help!) 20:28, 2 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Looking into this further, it is clear to me that what you are doing is what we call original research. This is fine for a local history site or a personal website, but is absolutely forbidden on Wikipedia, which is a tertiary source.  We do not include content cut and pasted from obituaries (which is a copyright violation) or material gleaned from interviews with the subject (which is original research).  What you write would go down really well with a history wiki, but not here, I'm afraid.  I am asking around to see if I can find a better project to steer you towards. Guy (Help!) 08:49, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

CfD nomination of Category:List of United States presidential electors, 2004
I have nominated list of united states presidential electors, 2004 for merging into 2004 united states presidential electors. Your opinions on the matter are welcome; please participate in the discussion by adding your comments at the discussion page. Thank you. BencherliteTalk 15:16, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

Marie Peterman Moore
A tag has been placed on Marie Peterman Moore, requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done for the following reason:

WP:NOT Memorial

Under the criteria for speedy deletion, articles that do not meet basic Wikipedia criteria may be deleted at any time. Please see the guidelines for what is generally accepted as an appropriate article, and if you can indicate why the subject of this article is appropriate, you may contest the tagging. To do this, add  on the top of the page and leave a note on the article's talk page explaining your position. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself, but don't hesitate to add information to the article that would confirm its subject's notability under the guidelines.

For guidelines on specific types of articles, you may want to check out our criteria for biographies, for web sites, for bands, or for companies. Feel free to leave a note on my talk page if you have any questions about this. RMHED 03:00, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

AfD nomination of Arnold Jack Rosenthal
Arnold Jack Rosenthal, an article you created, has been nominated for deletion. We appreciate your contributions. However, an editor does not feel that Arnold Jack Rosenthal satisfies Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion and has explained why in the nomination space (see also "What Wikipedia is not" and the Wikipedia deletion policy). Your opinions on the matter are welcome; please participate in the discussion by adding your comments at Articles for deletion/Arnold Jack Rosenthal& and please be sure to sign your comments with four tildes ( ~ ). You are free to edit the content of Arnold Jack Rosenthal during the discussion but should not remove the articles for deletion template from the top of the article; such removal will not end the deletion discussion. Thank you. Guy (Help!) 17:02, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

Fixing a problem
Billy, it's clear we have a problem here. You are wasting a lot of time and effort creating articles that are being deleted. I can't help feeling that there is something missing: I have opened a request for comment at Requests for comment/Billy Hathorn to allow everyone to see how to go about helping you to do more of the good things you do and less of the wasted effort. Thanks, Guy (Help!) 15:10, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

AfD nomination of A. Roswell Thompson
A. Roswell Thompson, an article you created, has been nominated for deletion. We appreciate your contributions. However, an editor does not feel that A. Roswell Thompson satisfies Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion and has explained why in the nomination space (see also "What Wikipedia is not" and the Wikipedia deletion policy). Your opinions on the matter are welcome; please participate in the discussion by adding your comments at Articles for deletion/A. Roswell Thompson and please be sure to sign your comments with four tildes ( ~ ). You are free to edit the content of A. Roswell Thompson during the discussion but should not remove the articles for deletion template from the top of the article; such removal will not end the deletion discussion. Thank you. Guy (Help!) 15:23, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

Peer Review of Ralph Flanders Invitation
In the past, you have shown an interest in the article on Ralph Flanders. It has recently been substantially updated. You are invited to leave your peer review at WikiProject Biography/Peer review/Ralph Flanders.&mdash;HopsonRoad 12:34, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

Dear Billy Hathorn, I note that you recently did some style edits of Ralph Flanders. Would you consider doing a peer review, as well? Sincerely, HopsonRoad 23:01, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for taking the time to review this article. You suggest that "The article might should have a paragraph or two saying that Flanders underestimated the communist conspiracy even on the assumption that McCarthy overstated it," especially in light of Venona. It's hard to measure what Flanders's estimate was, since he was calling attention to the external menace, which he felt was so tremendous that it would leave the US and Canada isolated as free nations.

I feel that estimation of the internal threat of communism is a more appropriate discussion for the Joseph McCarthy article. The scope of this article should be limited to what Flanders thought and whether others agreed with him. You suggest that the article "assumes that Senator Flanders was right on communism and that Senator McCarthy was wrong." I feel that either assumption would be a POV. In augmenting the article, I drew on published sources available to me. If you have published sources that you can recommend to further describe how others reacted to Flanders's assessment of McCarthy's approach to fighting communism, I feel that they should be included for completeness. You could leave such suggestions at the Talk:Ralph_Flanders page.

In his March, 1954 speech and his autobiography, Flanders made it clear that a "housecleaning" of communists in government was probably necessary. Flanders was concerned that the "house," itself, was under communist encroachment from outside&mdash;a much greater cause of alarm that Flanders wanted to alert his colleagues and the public to.HopsonRoad 00:32, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

AfD nomination of John J. Mawn
John J. Mawn, an article you created, has been nominated for deletion. We appreciate your contributions. However, an editor does not feel that John J. Mawn satisfies Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion and has explained why in the nomination space (see also "What Wikipedia is not" and the Wikipedia deletion policy). Your opinions on the matter are welcome; please participate in the discussion by adding your comments at Articles for deletion/John J. Mawn and please be sure to sign your comments with four tildes ( ~ ). You are free to edit the content of John J. Mawn during the discussion but should not remove the articles for deletion template from the top of the article; such removal will not end the deletion discussion. Thank you. &mdash; dust mite  15:29, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

AfD nomination of Wiley W. Hilburn
Wiley W. Hilburn, an article you created, has been nominated for deletion. We appreciate your contributions. However, an editor does not feel that Wiley W. Hilburn satisfies Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion and has explained why in the nomination space (see also "What Wikipedia is not" and the Wikipedia deletion policy). Your opinions on the matter are welcome; please participate in the discussion by adding your comments at Articles for deletion/Wiley W. Hilburn and please be sure to sign your comments with four tildes ( ~ ). You are free to edit the content of Wiley W. Hilburn during the discussion but should not remove the articles for deletion template from the top of the article; such removal will not end the deletion discussion. Thank you. &mdash; dust mite  20:01, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

Are you reading this talk page at all?
There are a number of comments at Requests for comment/Billy Hathorn, you have not commented there, nor have you replied or engaged in discussion with the many people who are bringing problems to your notice here.

I'm afraid that continuing to create these problematic articles without engaging with those who bring the problem to your notice constitutes disruptive behaviour. If you do not start responding I will have to block you to stop the creation of problem articles until you have begun dialogue. Guy (Help!) 10:44, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

This is the first that I have heard of: Requests for comment/Billy Hathorn. I haven't a clue how to begin responding. It would take a month. I have had articles deleted without any notice to me. Billy Hathorn (talk) 14:47, 17 November 2007 (UTC)
 * I notified you above when it was first created. You should respond in the first instance by indicating whether you understand what the problem is that people are describing. Guy (Help!) 21:46, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

1. I have had two, possibly three, articles deleted after they were given "Did You Know?" status.

2. A thesis or dissertation is a secondary source. These works can be assessed through many Inter Library Loan services. Most were never published. There is no reason to presume they are inaccurate.

3. Lesser-known politicians and others often have interesting life stories as much as current sitting members of legislative bodies may have. Just because a candidate was not elected does not mean he is unimportant.

4. Mayors of small cities have a place of importance too -- they are notable in their local areas. Many people on Wikipedia.org are unknown outside their own bailiwicks.

5. None have disclosed factual errors in my writing. There have been some errors, and I believe I corrected every one of them that I found as soon as I realized there was an error. I have seen other articles with a lot of weak style and punctuation errors that are never given much oversight.

6. A newspaper is a primary source, but Wikipedia.org considers it a secondary source. I suppose there can be secondary works within a newspaper, however.

7. I think that you should err in favor of keeping borderline articles instead of being committeed against them on grounds of lack of "notability". Of all the articles on Wikipedia, I have never heard of probably 70 percent of them myself. I wonder if some of the editors oppose an article because they are unfamiliar with the subject.

Send other specific questions and I will attempt to reply.

23:02, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

2a. Masters theses are normally considered academically not at the same level as doctoral theses, and are usually not accepted as RSs at WP--they are one step above term papers. This is especially the case when the bulk of many articles relies on a single one of it that you wrote yourself. 3a. the standard here is notable, not interesting. i agree much of this is interesting, and you should write a few books of local history. Thisis a general encyclopedia, not a collection of political anecdotes. 4a. The consensus here is simply against you; they may be interesting and historically indiciative, but thats doesn not make them worth including in an encyclopedia. 5a. One key style problem is dwelling excessively on minor details, like people's inlaws and where they came from, or the detailed background of all the other candidates in an election. The articles are supposed to be about the subject, not the subject and all his family and all is rivals and colleagues. another key style problem is writing all the articles to the same length and format, whether r not there is much to say. For the least important, they simply include yet smaller details. People's elementary school and early jobs are important content only for the most important biographical subjects. 6a. The most important source problem is obituaries in local newspapers, which are simply not RSs for anything, except to the extent they can be used by historians in their research as representing what the family and friends wanted to say at the time. 7a. The question is, what will someone potentially want to hear about. We do keep borderline articles. Saying we keep articles on all members of a state legislature (and we do) is already by most views pretty borderline. DGG (talk) 06:06, 18 November 2007 (UTC)


 * DGG is right here. I am sure there is some Wikia project for local history where this stuff will be bang on, let me see if I can find it. Guy (Help!) 22:34, 19 November 2007 (UTC)


 * OK, we have:
 * http://history.wikia.com
 * http://genealogy.wikia.com/
 * But - and here's the biggie - although many states have a Wikia, there is no http://louisiana.wikia.com - yet. If you were to gather a couple of people from WikiProject Louisiana and set it up, I would be more than happy to give you copies of your many deleted articles for transfer over there. Would this be of interest? It's got to be frustrating playing this game of dodge-the-delete, and it's a shame that so much effort is going to waste. Guy (Help!) 22:46, 19 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Further to Guy's suggestion above, as I say on the RFC I also think there is a gaping hole waiting to be filled by you at Wikibooks - Wikibooks aims to create a textbook as opposed to an encyclopedia, and hence there WP:USEFUL and WP:INTERESTING are valid arguments, and your articles would be very useful & interesting to anyone studying the history of Louisiana (and to a lesser extent Texas). I suspect they'd jump at the chance to publish your thesis as a whole as well, copyright/consent permitting. —  iride  scent  15:20, 20 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Or, if you want to earn some money, I think it would probably have quite a large sales in Louisiana--people like reading about local figures, even if not really notable. (In fact, I might buy a copy, even if not my home state) The only problem is the GFDL, but you could certainly write other ones not yet submitted to  WP and copyright those parts, which would make the whole thing publishable. Have you tried LSU Press?  DGG (talk) 02:59, 21 November 2007 (UTC)