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This photo is from a college yearbook prior to 1977, and the yearbook has no copyright page.Billy Hathorn (talk) 03:00, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

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Sherry G. Gritzbaugh emailed permission to use the picture more than a week ago to permissions--en@wikimedia.org Billy Hathorn (talk) 02:59, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

Image permission problem with Image:Kenneth Coon of AR.jpg
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Image permission problem with Image:Ken Coon campaign card 08-14-2008 08;00;52PM.JPG
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Mr. Coon sent the permission email a week ago. What is the problem?Billy Hathorn (talk) 02:57, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

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Yearbooks
I see some of your yearbook images are up for deletion again. (E.g. Image:McCrery 07-04-2008 04;16;37PM.JPG.) I think folks are confused because they are tagged as GNU free documentation license, but if they are truly public domain in the US because copyright protection wasn't obtained at the time they were published under the laws that were in effect back then, then you should probably tag them as , right? That might help avoid confusion in the future. Hope this helps. Crypticfirefly (talk) 06:33, 17 October 2008 (UTC)

Dirty Sally
Hi Billy Hathorn, just an FYI that I left a comment here on your DYK nomination of Dirty Sally. There's no references in the small paragraph about the Emmy award nomination, so if you'd confirm this fact that'd be nice. Cheers!  Jamie ☆ S93  19:41, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

Thanks, I made the changes, but it was rejected.Billy Hathorn (talk) 23:58, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

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tuckers witch
Would you consider creating a hook with witch as a focus and moving your hook to the halloween section please? thx anyway Victuallers (talk) 21:53, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

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DYK hook issue for Julio A. Garcia
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Reliable sources for television shows
I notice that you've been working on lots of television articles lately. Long-standing precedent says that imdb.com, tv.com, and any geocities.com pages are not reliable sources. There are lots of books that are very good sources. I own 2 books that I use for trivia contests that are very good for this purpose. One of these books is extremely good and highly reliable (at least I almost always found the same answer as the trivia contest answers). It has every single TV show from 1949 to 1979, even the hard-to-find Saturday morning cartoons and DuMont shows. The book is called "The Complete Encyclopedia of Television Programs: 1947-1979" by Vincent Terrace (ISDN 0-498-2488-1). We call it THE red book. While it's somewhat hard to find, I bought a second copy a few years ago. Reliable sources that quickly come to mind are Google Books, and NY Times. You might be able to find some old used book cheap at a used book store (old = perfect!).  Royal broil  05:27, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

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I would like to help with Commons but do not understand the procedure. Billy Hathorn (talk) 14:57, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

Template:SSDI rootsweb
Hi Billy. I created Template:SSDI rootsweb to allow you to more easily cite to SSDI rootsweb. I revised footnotes 4 and 5 in B.P. Newman to give you an idea on how the new template may be used. -- Suntag  ☼  10:41, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

Pete Fountain photo
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 * Billy, I think the better question would be to ask what you took a picture of: Did you photograph Pete Fountain and his clarinet in person, posing in front of you? Or did you photograph a portrait that was located at the museum? — Bellhalla (talk) 23:36, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

I took a poster cut-out of Pete Fountain in the Delta Music Museum.Billy Hathorn (talk) 05:59, 5 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Wow. You didn't know any better than that? If you didn't take the photo of Pete Fountain, it is not yours to copyright and license. Taking a photo of someone else's photo doesn't make you the copyright holder. This is copyright violation, false license, and false claim of authorship.  Now you know. Don't do that. If you have uploaded any other images on Wikimedia with similar problems, I strongly suggest you list them for deletion. Or point them out to me or another admin and I'll take care of them. Sorry, I'm surprised-- thanks for all the good work you've done, but this is a serious problem.  Let me know if I can be of assistance. Best wishes, -- Infrogmation (talk) 13:50, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

AfD nomination of B.P. Newman
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 * B.P. Newman read more like an obituary than an article. Praise from people Wikipedia has a article on, such as S. Representative Henry Cuellar, is fine. However, the other quoted material would be better if they were rework the into the article as prose or removed. Also, you can comment at the AfD. -- Suntag  ☼  03:25, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

DYK nom
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AfD nomination of Clarence D. Wiley
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Ron Paul
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DYK and reliable sources
DYK is a great way to provide the incentive to create good articles. Many of the articles you've created are interesting to me and other readers, but have had problems with sourcing. As much as I love IMDb, it's not a reliable source. Just like Wikipedia, the IMDb content can be edited by anyone. There are plenty of reliable sources -- books, magazines and newspapers -- that are available to support the claims made in the hook, and the DYK folks are pretty meticulous about checking. A hook only supported by IMDb is not going to fly. Make sure that every word in the hook is supported by a source; If you can't support every word in the hook with a reliable source, reword the hook so you can. You can approach this either way. You can start with reliable sources for a hook and not use IMDb. Or you can use IMDb as a starting point to give you details and then find sources to support the hook in reliable sources. Either way (or both), you'll create an article that is reliably sourced with a hook that's reliably sourced. Please let me know if I can help with this process and keep up the good work. Alansohn (talk) 16:52, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

I would say that 90 percent of the Wikipedia selections on television are from IMBD and nothing else. Billy Hathorn (talk) 20:36, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I don't doubt that may well be true, but that doesn't make IMDb a reliable source. DYK has much tighter restrictions on verification of reliable sources, and the exclusive use of IMDb will prevent these articles from being accepted if reliable sources are not used. If you would like some assistance in finding reliable sources for your posts, I'm more than willing to help and point you to these sources. Alansohn (talk) 01:45, 3 November 2008 (UTC)


 * IMO we shouldn't feature articles that rely heavily on unreliable sources on DYK at all, whether or not the hook itself is supported by a better reference. Gatoclass (talk) 07:32, 3 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Billy, as discussed in more detail in this DYK thread, your listing a DYK hook for the Edith Killgore Kirkpatrick article sourced to an oral statement by Edith Killgore Kilpatrick (footnote 2) created more work for others. When you list a hook at DYK, please ensure that the hook is sourced to a reliable, verifiable, independent third party source. Thanks. -- Suntag  ☼  09:19, 5 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I ran into issues with another unreliably sourced article. I added the refimprove tag because maintenance is needed. Articles with maintenance issues are not selected for DYK. I brought up a solution with using reliable books in a section above and I was ignored by Billy. It's not like the articles are poorly written or something like that, they just need the research to be directed towards using a source with at least minimal reliability. Billy, these problems can be easily addressed with little effort from you! All you have to do is use book sources found at Google Books.  Royal broil  13:54, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

Possibly unfree Image:Hoover_poster_IMG_0353.JPG
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It was taken at the Presidential Museum in Odessa, Texas.Billy Hathorn (talk) 05:24, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

Please post this information at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Possibly_unfree_images/2008_November_9 under Image:Hoover_poster_IMG_0353.JPG. Thank you. --Seanh (talk) 17:34, 11 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Same problem as with the Pete Fountain photo again. Taking a photo of a photo does not transfer the copyright from the original photographer to you. I suggest if there are any other images you've uploaded to Wikimedia with the same problem, please either fix the image page information or list them so they can be either deleted, retagged with correct info, or changed to fair use derivative with rationale as appropriate. Thanks. -- Infrogmation (talk) 17:45, 16 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Eg, Image:Louis Duma IMG 0592.JPG -- As a pre 1923 US work, the photo is fine for use on Wikimedia as free licensed-- but it should be tagged as PD-US; you don't create a new copyright with yourself as copyright holder by copying someone else's photo. Thanks. If anything isn't clear to you, feel free to ask. Cheers, -- Infrogmation (talk) 17:58, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

Your DYK submission
Hello! Your submission at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed. There still are some issues that may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know!  Royal broil  13:48, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
 * So I went to google books and searched for "outlaws" "Barton MacLane" and here's the results. Lots of reliable sources, although many are inaccessible as they are snippets. This one is real good. You can search the New York Times' website or do a google search to find more.  Royal  broil  14:22, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

Hi
I really appreciate you loading up pictures of Laredo, they are really needed there weren't any until I started to take intrest in wiki... especifically anything related to Laredo. Just wanted to say hi, and nice shorts on this pic: -one of your former students AMAPO (talk) 06:35, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

Your DYK submission
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WT:DYK discussion
Hi there – in case you weren't already aware, there's currently a discussion here among several users who are concerned with your DYK submissions. It'd be best to step in and at least comment there, and start addressing the issues they're mentioning. Regards,  Jamie ☆ S93  03:45, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

Formatting references in DYK articles
Please format your references properly in the articles you submit for DYK&mdash;ie, don't leave bare links sitting in the references when you can link the titles of the sources instead. I recently cleaned up the references in your Joe Rollins article, and someone else cleaned them up in John C. Fleming. But given how long you have been contributing, DYK will expect you to be able to format the references properly on your own. &mdash;Politizer talk / contribs 10:55, 24 November 2008 (UTC)
 * There's a nice tool for it. You can add a button to the right side just above the edit window. Here's how you do it: Click Preferences in the upper right. Click "Gadgets" tab. Add a check mark before refTools, adds a "cite" button to the editing toolbar for quick and easy addition of commonly used citation templates. Save it. You just click the cite button and pick the closest citation button to what you want.  Royal broil  07:01, 27 November 2008 (UTC)

Image:Mills County Courthouse IMG 0773.JPG
This image is the Hamilton County Courthouse. Do you have an image of the Mills County Courthouse you can upload over this one? -Nv8200p talk 00:43, 27 November 2008 (UTC)

Corrected with Mills County Courthouse. The photos were taken on the morning of July 17 within an hour of each other and got mixed up.Billy Hathorn (talk) 04:34, 27 November 2008 (UTC)

Concerns about John C. Fleming article
Hi there. I note that you are actively editing the John C. Fleming article. Please see my concerns on the talk page. &mdash; ERcheck (talk) 22:40, 24 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I note that you haven't responded on the DYK Talk page discussion referenced above. Numerous editors have concerns that you should be aware of and address in your editing. &mdash; ERcheck (talk) 22:52, 24 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Not just on the Fleming article, but there are lots of warnings and advisories on your talk page. Please work on the concerns.  — Rlevse • Talk  • 22:39, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

I suppose that the Fleming article can be updated again on Dec. 7 or 8. I don't think it is biased in his favor. Someone added that he entered the Navy to finance his education, but I missed that point, whereever it is.Billy Hathorn (talk) 04:36, 27 November 2008 (UTC)


 * In the interest of balance, consider expanding the Paul J. Carmouche to the level of detail contained in the Fleming article. &mdash; ERcheck (talk) 13:03, 27 November 2008 (UTC)

Hello! Your submission at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed. There still are some issues that may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath and respond there as soon as possible. Again, we can't accept an article that's sourced mostly to IMDB and TV.com. Please take a second look at some of the messages you have received in the past about finding better sources.

Reply: I used all of the sources that were available. There was not much on the series in Total Television. You just won't be able to use it then. Billy Hathorn (talk) 01:44, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

Nominating DYKs
Please remember to include the closing brackets }} if you are using the template to nominate DYKs. The easiest way to nominate is to use"", rather than DYKsuggestion DYKsuggestion is not really meant to be used by humans; it's part of the inner workings of the main DYKsug template).

Also, you don't need to sign with ~ when nominating using the template; the template adds a signature for you. &mdash;Politizer talk / contribs 01:53, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

Bruce Herschensohn
It appears you added the results of the 1986 primary election to the article on Bruce Herschensohn, the millions (leading) digit seems to be missing. Could you please supply the correct figure, or a source for same? Thanks. --AndersW (talk) 16:18, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

CfD nomination of Category:Louisiana State Senate candidates
Category:Louisiana State Senate candidates, which you created, has been nominated for deletion, merging, or renaming. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the Categories for discussion page. Thank you. Cgingold (talk) 02:13, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

Problem with a DYK hook
Hi, Billy! There's a slight problem with the DYK hook you've nominated here for the article James Whitfield Williamson. The hook is in the expiring noms section, so it'd be best if you can address the issue quickly. Cheers.  C h a m a l  talk 12:37, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

Palisades Sill
Hello, I noticed you added a brief mention of another Palisades Sill in the article. When you say "8,000-foot," is that length or thickness? Also, it would be really helpful if you could write an article on the New Mexico intrusion, perhaps including an approximate age and basic petrography, rock type, or composition (if this information is available to you), and then add the link. Thanks.CrankyScorpion 20:00, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

http://travel.webshots.com/photo/2323945060016057707JRAtaS. I think it would be 8,000 feet high, not from the base, but from sea level.Billy Hathorn (talk) 06:03, 20 December 2008 (UTC)

Accredited colleges
Billy, most list of colleges try to keep to the accredited. Is Louisiana Missionary Baptist Institute and Seminary accredited by a regional association like SACS? If the templates and lists start including non-accredited then every proprietary diploma mill will want to advertise through Wiki. Aaron charles (talk) 21:18, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

Image:2nd_G_07-04-2008_09;15;46AM.JPG listed for deletion
An image or media file that you uploaded or altered, Image:2nd_G_07-04-2008_09;15;46AM.JPG, has been listed at Images and media for deletion. Please see the to see why this is (you may have to search for the title of the image to find its entry), if you are interested in it not being deleted. Kelly hi! 03:32, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

I saw your article on George Despot. It is a nice article even though some may say it is too obscure. I enjoyed reading it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Familyreview (talk • contribs) 06:27, 23 December 2008 (UTC)

Problem with DYK hook for Joan Huffman
Hello! there still are some issues that may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath and respond there as soon as possible.

No content in Category:Members of the Texas Supreme Court
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DYK nomination of Randy Boone
Hello! there still are some issues that may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath and respond there as soon as possible. Dabomb87 (talk) 17:29, 29 December 2008 (UTC)
 * I have replied. Dabomb87 (talk) 02:50, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

DYK nomination of It's a Man's World (TV series)
Hello! there still are some issues that may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath and respond there as soon as possible. Dabomb87 (talk) 17:47, 29 December 2008 (UTC)
 * I have replied. Dabomb87 (talk) 02:50, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

Hello! there still are some issues that may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath and respond there as soon as possible.
 * Hi, thanks for replying. You can take a look at Henry Burns to see what I did there. Another reviewer commented on your DYK nomination for that article as well. Regards, &mdash; BillC talk 04:06, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

Corrections made Billy Hathorn (talk) 05:13, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

Billy, I see where your write-up on Gil Pinac has been drastically changed by one of his supporters who doesn't want people to know about his political past and recent party switch.

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Gil_Pinac&diff=262355932&oldid=260324953

There was nothing wrong with your original write-up. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Acadianawatch (talk • contribs) 16:42, 7 January 2009 (UTC)

Signed Acadianawatch (talk) 17:00, 7 January 2009 (UTC)