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Peer review/Veerapandiya Kattabomman (film)/archive2
Hello Bilorv. Kailash29792 and I have listed this article about a 1959 cult classic film in Tamil cinema for peer reviewing with the intention of preparing it for FAC and subsequently taking it to FA. I noticed your comments at Michelle Williams' and Call Me by Your Name's FACs and I was hoping your constructive comments at the PR would be deeply appreciated. Thank you. — Ssven2  Looking at you, kid 05:26, 2 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Hi! I'm sorry, but I'm very busy at the moment so I don't have time to give the article a review. Drop me a message if you nominate it at FAC and hopefully I'll be able to look at it then. — Bilorv(c)(talk) 10:17, 2 November 2018 (UTC)

Reverted my edit
Can i ask why ? I have not notice anything wronge, sam spurces as the main article, wich is an internet meme already based on jokes and some links that one , could say unreliable ( but you disn't delete any of them ) but you keep revert my edit unreasonably it seems. I guess you just don't like my subject for a reason, further, it was only you that found my sources unreliable , the biggest tabloids in Europe .. In summary, first, was the lack of 'edit summary' , then no reliable sources ... at last you reverted once more, prompting me to talk here , why ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Socialgroover (talk • contribs) 21:06, 15 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Hi and welcome to Wikipedia! There are a few problems with the content you added—indeed some of the sources are unreliable (e.g. the lelo page is a blog; dictionary.com is not a reliable source). Also, there's a problem with its wording. But my main problem was that you undid another user's edit without explaining why or attempting to initiate discussion. Thanks for messaging me here, but this discussion is better had on the talk page of the article i.e. Talk:Steak and Blowjob Day, where the editor who originally reverted can also participate. — Bilorv(c)(talk) 04:35, 16 November 2018 (UTC)

Hello Bilorv, At the end, you deleted my edit because you felt offended (why?) by the fact i re-reverted ( my right ) the edit as i had to since my reference was what is already well known and makes the article better indeed.Still you reverted it WP:DONTREVERT. I could provide another 100 links at least, most of them reliable,(if they are out of your knowledge makes them unreliable?)    but going in an edit war would indicate a problematic personality from me i guess.See, i am not someone wtih 11000 edits in 5 years, i love eating to!I just wanted to provide some justice only, and that's because the main article has nothing but jokes and bold statements from some journalists and not anything official, giving the wrong message to young people.But my contribution was evaluated negatively,  according to the limited knowledge or preferences of a member, a feminist one  , go figure.. Like it ot not C&C day IS a thing, it's everywhere and it's going to stay and become big i believe. And that makes dictionary.com and LELO more reliable source than Wikipedia for the time being thanks to you.Oh, www.news.de is widely read source. I must say that i agree with other people by saying that my first attempt to edit, something that had nothing false actually, was rather frustrating.Just search and you will be surprised by the number of people that feel the same way for the same reason.. Some editors act like the owners of Wikipedia, and they might be.But if so, it becomes a problematic procedure. Wikipedia must stay reliable and expandable.And this requires new editors.New people.From everywhere. Btw, if you 'll try block me, don't bother , not in a mood to involve anymore ..was an amazing job from you on this — Preceding unsigned comment added by Socialgroover (talk • contribs) 16:11, 19 November 2018 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure exactly what you want me to do. For what it's worth, I have neither the power nor the desire to block you. I've initiated a conversation on the article's talk page; you can comment there about why you think the text should be included. (In talk page discussions, you can sign your post by ending them with the code: .) — Bilorv(c)(talk) 16:48, 19 November 2018 (UTC)

RfC on Dressed to Kill
Hi Bilorv,

I saw your comment in the RfC on Dressed to Kill and thought you might be interested in my proposed next steps. I saw that all the "no" responses focused not on the question I presented in the RfC but rather the list of supporting studies and opinions. I reviewed my concerns with the closer of the RfC and we thought it would be a good idea to start a new RfC with the actual proposed book summary content to make it easier for editors to comment. I am thinking the following would be a good overview to propose in the RfC. Because you were the only other editor to truly understand the question, I thought it might be good to get your opinion on this proposal before I start the RfC in case you have other ideas.


 * In Dressed to Kill, the authors Singer and Grismaijer theorize that wearing a tight bra for long hours daily can contribute to breast cancer risk due to restrictions of lymphatic flow caused by the bra. They discuss the lymphatic system and how lymph circulation can be hampered by tight bras, and describe in detail the 1991-93 US Bra and Breast Cancer Study they conducted on women which showed that the longer and tighter a bra is worn, the higher the risk of developing breast cancer. In the book's 2018 Second Edition, the authors also give a history of past recognition of the bra-cancer link by doctors and bra makers, give examples of new bra designs for less constrictive bras that are based on their theory and which credit Dressed to Kill in their patents, and describe the resistance they have experienced from the medical industry to this theory and the possible reasons for that resistance. In addition to their own work, they also cited five other peer-reviewed studies, including one meta-analysis, which have found a significant link between bra usage and breast cancer incidence. Singer and Grismaijer also suggest that constriction from bras is the leading cause of breast pain and cysts.


 * The authors also discussed one particular 2014 study by Lu Chen, et al., at the Fred Hutchinson Cancer Research Center, which is the only study to date that has found no correlation between bra-wearing and breast cancer risk. However, the authors of that study noted the study’s limitation of excluding bra-free women, and therefore of having no bra-free control group for comparison. Singer and Grismaijer propose that lacking a bra-free control group from the study would be like examining lung cancer among smokers without a non-smoking control group for comparison, making any conclusions unreliable.

Your thoughts on this proposed content would be appreciated. &sect; Music Sorter &sect;  (talk) 22:52, 19 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Hi, and thanks for the message. I'm afraid the text you propose still has some major concerns:
 * In the first sentence, replace "theorize" with "claim". The word "theory" in science is used to describe a fully formulated system which explains all available evidence, but Singer and Grismaijer's claims are not accepted by scientists.
 * Similarly, we need to establish provenance. For instance, "they posit that lymph circulation...". This language is needed throughout the paragraphs.
 * As the current article notes, their 1991-93 study had methodological flaws and is not peer reviewed, so we can't say it "showed" anything, but instead we should simply state what the authors claim.
 * The second paragraph begins with a misconception. I assume you believe the Lu Chen study is the only one to have found no correlation because the book authors claim so. If so, this claim is false. Note the "Scientific reception" section of the current article. We can say that "The authors also discussed a 2014 study ... which they incorrectly claim is the only study to have found no correlation." The paragraph also gives excessive weight to 'debunking' the study; we could simply replace everything from the second sentence onwards with "The authors describe limitations of the study."
 * Once these problems are sorted, it might still be worth getting another opinion on the text before starting the RfC. — Bilorv(c)(talk) 23:40, 19 November 2018 (UTC)


 * Thanks so much for the reply, Bilorv. I think I followed all your comments on the first paragraph and I have prepared this updated proposal for your consideration. For the second paragraph, I'm not sure I follow your proposal. The current "Scientific Reception" section only lists one study (the Hutch Study) to have found no correlation between bras and breast cancer which focused on that link. The 2000 UK study entry contains cherry-picked content from the actual 2000 UK study evidence. I looked at all the data for the UK study myself and did try to update that section previously (I'll work on that in a future update). The study itself looked at the link between bras and breast pain and showed a positive link. It did not conclude there was no link between bras and breast cancer. As that entry stands now, the reader would believe the study disproved the link, but in reality the study never claimed to make a link between bras and breast cancer either way. All the rest of that section is opinion from experts. When I first started looking at this article, I tried to find additional studies on either side of the argument, but to date I have only found this one Hutch study that drew any conclusion of no link. I read that study as well and the authors do state they did not include a control group. In my understanding of scientific research, lacking a control group can make a study completely invalid, so it seems important to include that reference from the study organizers.


 * In Dressed to Kill, the authors Singer and Grismaijer conclude that wearing a tight bra for long hours daily can contribute to breast cancer risk by impairing lymphatic circulation in the breasts due to constriction, creating mild, chronic breast lymphedema that can cause breast pain, cysts, and cancer. They discuss the lymphatic system and how lymph circulation can be hampered by tight bras, and describe in detail their 1991-93 US Bra and Breast Cancer Study conducted on nearly 5,000 women, about half of whom had had breast cancer. The authors claim the results suggest that the longer and tighter a bra is worn, the higher the risk of developing breast cancer. In the book's 2018 Second Edition, the authors also give a history of past recognition of the bra-cancer link by doctors and bra makers dating back to the 1930s, and give examples of patents for new bra designs for less constrictive bras based on their research and book and which claim to be less harmful to the lymphatic system. They also try to explain the reasons why the medical industry insists that the bra-cancer link is a myth with no scientific evidence or basis. In addition to their own work, the authors cite five recent peer-reviewed studies, including one meta-analysis, which have found a significant link between bra usage and breast cancer incidence. The authors argue that women should be told about this potential cause of breast cancer, and call for more research.
 * The authors also discussed one particular 2014 study by Lu Chen, et al., at the Fred Hutchinson Cancer Research Center, which Singer and Grismaijer claim is the only study to date that has found no correlation between bra-wearing and breast cancer risk. However, the authors of that study noted the study’s limitation of excluding bra-free women, and therefore of having no bra-free control group for comparison. Singer and Grismaijer propose that lacking a bra-free control group from the study would be like examining lung cancer among smokers without a non-smoking control group for comparison, making any conclusions unreliable.
 * Let me know if you think it needs additional adjustments before I move to the next step. Your feedback is sincerely appreciated. &sect; Music Sorter &sect;  (talk) 19:24, 11 December 2018 (UTC)
 * With regards to studies, it seems I was wrong with my comments, and I see you've addressed this with the addition of "... which Singer and Grismaijer claim ..." I'm still a little bit concerned about some of the wording; I propose the following:
 * In Dressed to Kill, the authors Singer and Grismaijer claim that wearing a tight bra for long hours daily can contribute to breast cancer risk by impairing lymphatic circulation in the breasts due to constriction, creating mild, chronic breast lymphedema that can cause breast pain, cysts, and cancer. They write that lymph circulation can be hampered by tight bras, and describe in detail a survey which they claim to have conducted in 1991-93 on nearly 5,000 women, about half of whom had had breast cancer. The authors conclude that the longer and tighter a bra is worn, the higher the risk of developing breast cancer. In the book's 2018 Second Edition, the authors also give a history of past medical consensus on a bra-cancer link and give examples of patents for less constrictive bras which were based on their book. They also give explanations for why they believe the medical consensus is that there is no correlation between bra-wearing and cancer. In addition to their own work, the authors cite five recent peer-reviewed studies, including one meta-analysis, which report a significant link between bra usage and breast cancer incidence. The authors argue that women should be told about this potential cause of breast cancer, and call for more research. Singer and Grismaijer also discuss one particular 2014 study by Lu Chen, et al., at the Fred Hutchinson Cancer Research Center, which they claim is the only study that has found no correlation between bra-wearing and breast cancer risk. They describe limitations of the study.
 * Thanks! — Bilorv(c)(talk) 20:06, 11 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Bilorv, I think we are almost there. I wanted to mention in case you were not aware that the limitation of the Hutchinson study actually came from Lu Chen, the study author. He noted that the study excluded women who did not wear a bra. Since this study is typically cited as proof that there is no link between bras and breast cancer, it seems poignant to note that detail here. If I studied 1000 people who all smoked cigarettes, wouldn't I find some who show no lung cancer? Would I then conclude because some people smoke yet have no lung cancer than smoking does not cause lung cancer? I don't think so, but the Hutchinson study seems to do that here. My proposal was to include the Lu Chen comment that he had no bra-free women and that Singer and Grismaijer noted that exclusion in the study is significant in their opinion. The way it is worded now, it seems the study didn't say there were limitations and only Singer and Grismaijer thought there was a limitation. If you are interested, see the last paragraph of the study here. Thanks so much for your great help on this. &sect; Music Sorter &sect;  (talk) 03:01, 12 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Okay, I've removed "supposed" from the last sentence. Your personal commentary is incorrect as Singer and Grismaijer claim that wearing a bra for longer hours increases the risk of breast cancer, but the study's independent variable is the number of hours for which women wore a bra. It's like studying a group of people who smoke 10 times per day and a group who smoke 60 times per day; because there's a correlation between smoking and lung cancer, we would see higher rates of lung cancer in the latter group. — Bilorv(c)(talk) 10:13, 12 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Sorry for my gap in response. My real life got in the way of getting back to this. I accept your adjustments and I will set up the RFC using this last proposed summary. New RfC link  &sect; Music Sorter &sect;  (talk) 02:28, 17 February 2019 (UTC)

TFL notification
Hi, Bilorv. I'm just posting to let you know that List of awards and nominations received by Black Mirror – a list that you have been heavily involved with – has been chosen to appear on the Main Page as Today's featured list for December 28. The TFL blurb can be seen here. If you have any thoughts on the selection, please post them on my talk page or at TFL talk. Regards, Giants2008  ( Talk ) 22:19, 3 December 2018 (UTC)
 * thanks for the blurb! It looks excellent. — Bilorv(c)(talk) 22:21, 3 December 2018 (UTC)

San Junipero scheduled for TFA
This is to let you know that the San Junipero article has been scheduled as today's featured article for January 20, 2019. Please check the article needs no amendments. If you're interested in editing the main page text, you're welcome to do so at Today's featured article/January 20, 2019, but note that a coordinator will trim the lead to around 1000 characters anyway, so you aren't obliged to do so. Also pinging. We also suggest that you watchlist Main Page/Errors on the day before and the day of this TFA.

I note that this may possibly be rescheduled for December. When you know, let me and know and we'll sort it out Jimfbleak -  talk to me?  16:30, 10 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Having said that, the message above this means that we could be running two related articles on the same day, which is problematic. Let's see what happens first Jimfbleak - talk to me?  16:34, 10 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Do you know what, it genuinely hadn't occurred to me that the list's TFL date is the same as the potential release date. That's quite a coincidence. If having the TFA and TFL match is a problem then I'm happy to leave the TFA on January 20. — Bilorv(c)(talk) 16:52, 10 December 2018 (UTC)
 * I wouldn't have mentioned it, but there was a kerfuffle recently when a FA and FL for the same person were both scheduled for her birthday. Probably better to leave as is in the circumstances, letting know as December coord. Cheers Jimfbleak -  talk to me?  07:02, 12 December 2018 (UTC)

Precious
--Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:09, 20 January 2019 (UTC)
 * thanks so much! — Bilorv(c)(talk) 23:32, 20 January 2019 (UTC)

check my talk page
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Nuksanhai#Schools

Nuksanhai (talk) 14:30, 17 December 2018 (UTC)

Invitation to WP:TV discussion
You are invited to a WP:TV discussion about Pigsonthewing and his actions on the infoboxes. BattleshipMan (talk) 22:28, 17 December 2018 (UTC)

Cambodia New Year
Hi. This and Khmer New Year are both on my watchlist to look for socks. If I didn't know the history, I would've simply declined the draft as well.  Onel 5969  TT me 23:35, 24 December 2018 (UTC)

Bandersnatch
The solution for this is to never source from speculation. It's easy to root out that paraphrased content and keep the big picture, which is confirmed: the cast, the background, the trailer, the release info. (not watching, please )  czar  20:44, 27 December 2018 (UTC)
 * I'm not sourcing anything from speculation because I didn't add anything to a mainspace article. The cast are not confirmed. People are working out who they are from the trailer, which is original research. Similar things are happening with the "choose-your-own-adventure" stuff and Slade as the director. These are unverifiable and yet obviously correct; unsuitable for Wikipedia today, but will be proven to be appropriate tomorrow. I plan to uncomment the article tomorrow, once it is verifiable from the primary source of the film itself. By uncommenting the article, you are the one introducing OR and bad sourcing. — Bilorv(c)(talk) 20:48, 27 December 2018 (UTC)
 * ...analyzing trailers is part of the expert "original research" that journalists are hired to do. Citing WP:OR pejoratively is only for when other Wikipedia editors are making their own journalistic claims without backing from reliable sources. Your reverts are effectively holding the article space hostage when there are plenty of non-speculative reliable sources to cite today. You can cut down the content that never belonged and leave a shell for other editors to edit. If necessary, always possible to restore text from the page history. czar  20:59, 27 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Professional journalists have variously claimed that series 5 of Black Mirror will be released in 2018, that early series aired on the BBC, that Bandersnatch will be dropped alongside the rest of the series, that White Christmas was a series 2 episode, that every episode is set in the same universe etc. I saw a source today which accidentally said "Tuesday" instead of "Thursday", which would have actually changed a whole lot if I had taken it at face value. These aren't fringe sources or journalists who aren't experienced in the area, but television critics on major websites. We still can't trust them. Journalists copy information from Wikipedia and reddit and we need to keep their clickbait claims at arm's length, such as in the situation of them claiming who the cast are from the trailer. I don't believe for a second that every journalist who wrote about this instantly recognised the very obscure actor Asim Chaudhry (heck, I've seen him on Taskmaster and I didn't recognise him). I am not certain that the topic is notable yet, as its current coverage could be considered WP:ROUTINE. This will change the instant the episode drops, and the media embargo lifts allowing critical reviews to flood in. If you are convinced of notability already, I can comment out just the portions which are original research and changes tenses from present to future, but personally I don't think that level of effort is necessary to benefit readers in an 11 hour period.  I did the same thing on USS Callister last year. The reason is to save time so that tomorrow, readers and editors can see and collect information as fast as possible. I'm not trying to hold anything hostage. You are free to add sourced content—or even your own inferences about what the episode will be about—inside the hidden comment today. — Bilorv(c)(talk) 21:21, 27 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Yes, I am convinced of its standalone notability and 11-hour benefit, given the search volume. (not watching, please )  czar  22:13, 27 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I missed your reply by a whisker. Thanks for uncommenting. — Bilorv(c)(talk) 03:35, 28 December 2018 (UTC)
 * With a trailer out, and third party sources making statements who stars, that's fair info to include. --M asem (t) 04:43, 28 December 2018 (UTC)
 * This simply isn't a counterargument to my point above that journalists often make mistakes during speculation like this. Only the credits themselves are a reliable source for this (though of course it would be different if this were like a standard film in promotion and distribution style). Anyway, the episode is out now so it no longer matters. — Bilorv(c)(talk) 08:00, 28 December 2018 (UTC)

Bandersnatch full runtime
Hey, saw you removed my edit as you said there is 150 minutes max for Bandersnatch. The BBFC viewed 312 minutes and having checked they said it was all accessible footage and not counting different viewings, meaning 312 minutes is correct for entirety of available footage created. Check out the tweet - https://twitter.com/BBFC/status/1081165765313744896?s=07 So can we add the total back in, or somewhere in article? :) Heimatchen (talk) 12:46, 4 January 2019 (UTC)
 * thanks for the message. This source says there are 150 minutes of footage: specifically, At the heart of the episode are two-and-a-half hours of footage divided into 250 segments. It's unclear how the BBFC got the 312 minutes runtime—perhaps it includes footage that was cut from the final edit, or does include some duplicated scenes. Perhaps this is worth discussion at Talk:Black Mirror: Bandersnatch, because it's not a very clear cut situation, but my first instinct is to discount the BBFC tweet altogether as a less reliable source than interviews with the people who worked on the film. — Bilorv(c)(talk) 13:33, 4 January 2019 (UTC)
 * I just saw this message, thought I'd contribute. I've read/seen some of the interviews with Poulter/Whitehead/Annabel Jones. They all give different runtimes, from Poulter's estimate of "over 3 hours" to Whitehead's "4 hours" to Jones' "something like 5 hours" worth of footage. Maybe it should be noted that some scenes which may appear identical were recorded many times and do slightly differ depending on which choices you've already made? So there is actually a lot of footage. Kingsif (talk) 16:33, 21 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Yes, it's a good point. I was thinking that a note in the article might be the solution to this – roughly "Though most sources give 150 minutes as the total time, various figures of 4 hours and 312 minutes have been reported." I still believe the 150 minute figure is correct, but it doesn't explain why 312 minutes of footage were submitted to the Korean media board, or why Whitehead thought they did 4 hours of footage plus stuff that was cut. — Bilorv(c)(talk) 16:48, 21 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Yeah, maybe there's someone out there interested in timing everything as they watch it, but that is certainly not me. Kingsif (talk) 17:54, 21 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Yes, in fact I am planning to (in a few months) watch all the segments in one go at some point, and will time it. In the long term I hope more sources will come out to clarify this, but in the short term if anyone wants to add a note then that would be good. — Bilorv(c)(talk) 20:50, 21 January 2019 (UTC)

Help with FAC

 * Hello again! I was wondering if you could help me with my current FAC? I understand if you do not have time or are not interested though; just wanted to ask. Have a great weekend! Aoba47 (talk) 19:41, 11 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Sorry but I don't think I'll have time at the moment. Hope you have a good weekend! — Bilorv(c)(talk) 03:22, 12 January 2019 (UTC)
 * No worries, thank you for the prompt response! The article has already received three supports, an image review, and a source review so it may already be ready for promotion anyway (I have pinged the FAC coordinators about it). I am looking forward to working with you again in the future. Have a good one! Aoba47 (talk) 03:32, 12 January 2019 (UTC)

European Super League
Well I’ve been sat on the naughty-step since 22 December, so I spent 20 days manually amending ‘European Super League’ to ‘Super League’, and I’ve noticed a few things… my AutoWikiBrowser (AWB) changes affected “only” 1317 articles, yet I’ve had to manually amended nearly 3000 articles, which means that approximately 1700 articles, i.e. more than I amended with AWB, were actually already “incorrect”.

Interestingly, Super League’s registered company name is Super League (Europe) Ltd. the CEO is a Frenchman; Bernard Guasch, who is also the chairman of the French club; Catalans Dragons, so actually quite European after all… I expect all hell will break loose if the Canadian club Toronto Wolfpack ever gain promotion to Super League.

I had to expend 50-hours to amend the 3000 articles that could have been amended in 50-minutes by someone with AWB access… but every cloud has a silver lining… as a result of my change from, e.g. ‘he played in Super League’ to ‘he played in the European Super League’, I have now manually revised this to the more semantically pleasing ‘he played in the Super League’.

I also discovered (and corrected) a raft of biography articles about Greek and Turkish association footballers who actually play in the Superleague Greece or Süper Lig, not the incorrectly linked Super League.

As well as discovering tranche of woefully out-of-date rugby league biography articles from the post-1996 Super League era… not articles initiated by me obviously… as I concentrate on initiating pre-Super League rugby league biography articles, articles that I have continue to enhance over the last decade… I guess I’d best get on with correcting these out-of-date articles, as there’s nobody else doing it. DynamoDegsy (talk) 09:41, 14 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Thanks for all your recent work! Good to see you've been making other corrections about the place as you go. — Bilorv(c)(talk) 14:00, 14 January 2019 (UTC)

GA nom: Be Right Back
Hey, just a message to say I've started reviewing Be Right Back - check in soon! Kingsif (talk) 16:38, 21 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Okay, I think I've responded to all of your points. — Bilorv(c)(talk) 23:40, 21 January 2019 (UTC)

Emphasis
Isn't italics (or even bold) much more preferable than CAPS? THE NEW  Immortal  Wizard  (chat) 19:27, 12 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Forgot to add: I was commenting on this. THE NEW  Immortal  Wizard  (chat) 19:55, 12 March 2019 (UTC)
 * In your opinion it might be. In mine it isn't. I'm not the original author, but it seems to me that the point is to treat "fact" as a sort of Platonic ideal and capitalisation evokes the sense of a proper noun, whereas italics or bold don't convey a similar meaning. Regardless, I reverted the edit because it seemed to me like you didn't understand that "A" was capitalised on purpose. — Bilorv (he/him) (talk) 19:59, 12 March 2019 (UTC)

We Are Displaced DYK
Looks good generally. Just added a few comments/questions, though. &mdash; Rhododendrites  talk \\ 00:48, 13 March 2019 (UTC)

Help with pictures
So I requested for you to review my new article, Wie is de Mol? (season 8), and you said if I needed help to come here so here I am. How do other reality tv articles get logos and stuff up as pictures when all of my pictures get taken down? For instance, the photo of the candidates and the Wie is de Mol logo got taken down (along with the Power of the Publicist logo in Celebrity Big Brother 2 (U.S. season)). I would like to have the logo and a photo of the candidates similar to the group photos of the HouseGuests in Big Brother, but I don't know how without it taken down. Jayab314 21:16, 17 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the message! You uploaded the images to Wikimedia Commons, which is only for images published under free licenses (such as some Creative Commons licenses). If you take a screenshot of a TV show or find an image online, you don't own the copyright to that image. The original photographer or television production company etc. owns that image. You have to be very careful when uploading images because there could be legal repercussions to Wikipedia unless we abide by U.S. copyright law. However, fair use law does allow some images to be used for purposes such as critical commentary.
 * Wikipedia has ten non-free content criteria (NFCC) which must all be met for a non-free image to be used in an article. In some cases, the logo of a television show meets these criteria and can be used on the article about the show (but not any other articles like any season articles). However, such things as images of the candidates are not allowed under the NFCC as they don't meet criterion #1, "No free equivalent". But if there are any images of any individual contestants which are published under free licenses on Wikimedia Commons (or sometimes other locations such as some Flickr images), then they can be used in the article. However, it's best to steer clear of this area until you're comfortable with the complex rules, or things you upload may be quickly deleted. Thanks! — Bilorv (he/him) (talk) 21:31, 17 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Ok thank you! Jayab314  21:36, 17 March 2019 (UTC)

James Acaster
Aha, like Sweet Home Alabama, right? The -a had been added recently by an IP, so I mistook it for vandalism. Thanks for fixing my error. Bishonen &#124; talk 01:28, 19 March 2019 (UTC).
 * ahh I hadn't even made that connection but that must be it. I also initially thought the edit was vandalism but I looked it up saw that it really did have the -a. — Bilorv (he/him) (talk) 01:40, 19 March 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for that adivce
Hello Bilorv, I appreciate your advice and concept for "How not to be a boy" needing an article. Unfortunately I'm busy at my school at the moment so I won't be able to do it just now, but I will keep it in mind, and I appreciate you bringing it to my attention. Sorry for the late reply. Cheers. Leavepuckgackle1998 (talk) 11:10, 5 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Thanks, and please ask me if you have any questions! I hope schoolwork goes well and there's no hurry at all—Wikipedia will still be here whenever you have enough free time. — Bilorv (he/him) (talk) 12:45, 5 April 2019 (UTC)

May 2019
MrClog (talk) 16:05, 7 May 2019 (UTC)

Eighth Grade GAC
Hi Bilorv, I made the revisions you suggested at Eighth Grade (film). The review seems to stop there several days ago. You mentioned you were considering passing it or urging the original reviewer to pass; do you mind taking another look? Ribbet32 (talk) 02:35, 19 May 2019 (UTC)
 * I've commented there. Sorry but I think it should be the original reviewer who decides when and how to close the review. — Bilorv (he/him) (talk) 10:06, 19 May 2019 (UTC)

CSMBR
Hi. I see you asked for more reference in the article about the CSMBR. The Centre is an International Centre of Advanced Studies in Early Medicine, the only one operating in this field in Italy. Thus, unless you clarify exactly what you mean by referencing the page better, I don't follow. In any case, I added some references. Finally, I am not exactly sure whether you should be the one in charge of revising (or asking to revise) the page on the CSMBR, given the various frictions we had on ideological topics in other pages. I am inclined to think your suggestions might be driven by reasons other than academic ones. I would appreciate if you could clarify this point. Thanks --Aristotele1982 (talk) 07:13, 4 June 2019 (UTC)
 * hi. I'll be completely upfront: I saw your page creation because I had added your userpage to my watchlist after our previous interactions. I understand if this makes my actions seem biased but I honestly have no opinion relating to CSMBR or any vendetta against you. Per WP:COIEDIT it is standard practice that COI editors "should put new articles through the Articles for Creation (AfC) process instead of creating them directly". If you would like, I could post a thread on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Articles for creation or elsewhere asking if my actions were justified or if the page should be kept in draft space. To avoid conflict, I am not going to review the draft if you submit it (and was not planning to), so I'm in no way "in charge of revising the page". If you believe the draft does demonstrate notability then you can submit it. — Bilorv (he/him) (talk) 08:18, 4 June 2019 (UTC)

I appreciate that, thank you.Aristotele1982 (talk) 10:08, 4 June 2019 (UTC)

Anyone Who Knows What Love Is (Will Understand)
I've started the article on this terrifying classic...any help would be gladly received. I'll put it up for DYK tomorrow with you as a co-author if you wish. No Swan So Fine (talk) 12:38, 8 June 2019 (UTC)
 * thanks for the message! I've made a couple of small edits to the article but don't have much time to work on it in the near future. Hope the DYK submission goes well! — Bilorv (he/him) (talk) 14:59, 8 June 2019 (UTC)

MGTOW
Your recent editing history at Men Going Their Own Way shows that you are currently engaged in an edit war; that means that you are repeatedly changing content back to how you think it should be, when you have seen that other editors disagree. To resolve the content dispute, please do not revert or change the edits of others when you are reverted. Instead of reverting, please use the talk page to work toward making a version that represents consensus among editors. The best practice at this stage is to discuss, not edit-war. See the bold, revert, discuss cycle for how this is done. If discussions reach an impasse, you can then post a request for help at a relevant noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases, you may wish to request temporary page protection.

Being involved in an edit war can result in you being blocked from editing&mdash;especially if you violate the three-revert rule, which states that an editor must not perform more than three reverts on a single page within a 24-hour period. Undoing another editor's work—whether in whole or in part, whether involving the same or different material each time—counts as a revert. Also keep in mind that while violating the three-revert rule often leads to a block, you can still be blocked for edit warring&mdash;even if you don't violate the three-revert rule&mdash;should your behavior indicate that you intend to continue reverting repeatedly. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Galestar (talk • contribs) 03:49, 21 June 2019 (UTC)

Initial context setting
Please note this edit. The initial context-setting phrase should tell the lay reader what general subject area the article's topic is within. "Lambda calculus" is not something the lay reader is likely to understand.

Sometimes there doesn't need to be such a context-setting phrase because it's already in the article's title, for example Mathematical induction. But when it's needed, one can say "In algebra..." or "In geometry..." or "In number theory...", but something like "In topology...." should not be used because many lay persons have never heard of that. "In algebraic topology..." on the other hand may be acceptable because the word "algebraic" will be recognized. Michael Hardy (talk) 19:07, 30 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the information! I'll keep this in mind in future. — Bilorv (he/him) (talk) 19:22, 30 June 2019 (UTC)

ArbCom courtesy note
Given you edit warred with someone who had flagged up the BLP violations involved in the Signpost article, I have added you as a party to Arbitration/Requests/Case - per  Gamaliel and others. - SchroCat (talk) 12:46, 1 July 2019 (UTC)

Signpost Article Arbcom
After considering your suggestion regarding writing up a statement for the Arbcom case, I've decided not to do so. I don't want to open myself up to attacks from even more people like that guy that kept misrepresenting what I was writing at the talkpage. I'm afraid that writing up such a statement might do just that. I am interested in seeing if Arbcom ever chooses to deal with that deletion, though, as it seems just so clearly out-of-bounds. Hallward's Ghost (Kevin) (My talkpage) 18:32, 10 July 2019 (UTC)
 * of course, no problem. It looks like the Arbcom case will actually be declined soon anyway, I'm afraid. — Bilorv (he/him) (talk) 18:35, 10 July 2019 (UTC)
 * It's incredibly frustrating that Arbcom is choosing to punt on this, when Smallbones is being accused of libel without any sort of cause, and nothing it being done to deal with that. Hallward's Ghost (Kevin) (My talkpage) 18:43, 10 July 2019 (UTC)

Request for arbitration declined
The request for arbitration Disputed_Signpost_article has been declined by the committee. The arbitrators' comments about the request can be viewed here. SQL Query me! 23:00, 13 July 2019 (UTC)

Taskmaster
Recently you changed the "Series 9" section in Taskmaster (TV series) from "Confirmed in same announcement as previous series" (which was correct) to "Confirmed on the date of the series 8 finale" (which is not). This is simply not true. After Series 6, Taskmaster was renewed for 4 more series (6, 7, 8, and 9), so it's plainly not the case that Series 9 was confirmed on the date of the series 8 finale, it has long been confirmed. Can you revert? Damiantgordon (talk) 20:14, 15 July 2019 (UTC)
 * It's the cast of series 9 which were confirmed on the date of the series 8 finale. The sentence reads Confirmed on the date of the series 8 finale, panellists for this series are [...]. This means that the panellists are the object which was confirmed on the specified date; if it referred to series 9 then it would be a comma splice, which is grammatically incorrect. — Bilorv (he/him) (talk) 21:10, 15 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Agree with what you are saying, but you have deleted the piece of information that said Series 9 was confirmed at the same time as Series 8 ("Confirmed in same announcement as previous series"), which is what the sentence used to say. Damiantgordon (talk) 21:31, 15 July 2019 (UTC)
 * None of the other series sections mention the date at which the series was confirmed, because this is a fact that belongs in the History section—specifically, the Broadcast section already says: On 22 February 2018, it was announced that Taskmaster had been renewed for four more series lasting 10 episodes each. — Bilorv (he/him) (talk) 21:36, 15 July 2019 (UTC)
 * You're absolutely right, thanks for your time on this. Damiantgordon (talk) 22:00, 15 July 2019 (UTC)
 * No problem, and by the way when you sign the post you want to use four tildes, not five. — Bilorv (he/him) (talk) 22:12, 15 July 2019 (UTC)

Rollback note
I am now about to use rollback to undo Galatz's 116 reversions of me, per consensus at this discussion. This falls under standard usage of rollback per WP:ROLLBACKUSE#5, To revert widespread edits unhelpful to the encyclopedia, provided that you supply an explanation in an appropriate location, such as at the relevant talk page, this being a relevant talk page (and I have also left a similar section on Galatz's talk page). — Bilorv (he/him) (talk) 00:25, 20 July 2019 (UTC)

Fair City
Hi Bilorv. I did some cleanup of parts of the article Fair City that you said needed cleanup. Do you mind having another look at it? Thanks. Danny157 (talk) 21:30, 31 July 2019 (UTC)
 * yes, I'll try to take a look at it in the next 48 hours. — Bilorv (// W A K E U P //) 21:54, 31 July 2019 (UTC)
 * in this edit, I've tidied up a few bits, removed some things that weren't sourced and added a little bit of information. I think the article does meet the B class criteria now and I've adjusted the rating accordingly. Thank you for all your work on the article! — Bilorv (// W A K E U P //) 20:40, 1 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Thank you. Danny157 (talk) 21:28, 1 August 2019 (UTC)

Black Mirror response
Hi, thank you for explaining my errors! This is my first time editing Wikipedia and I really appreciate you messaging me about my edits. I had no idea about the information for each parameter in their template documentation.

How can I find pages that require editing? I'm still new to Wikipedia, so I'm probably missing something. Thanks! DescendingSoul (talk) 18:20, 1 August 2019 (UTC)
 * thanks for the message! There are so many parts of the site that require improvement, but it can take a while to find which ones you're interested in, or learning the skills needed to improve them. Your edits have been to TV articles so I'm guessing that might be a good place to start. We have lots of articles with one of the following tags on them:


 * They're categorised into Category:All Wikipedia articles with plot summary needing attention, so you could give that category a search and see if there are any shows you've watched or articles you're interested in where you could rewrite the summary. (MOS:TVPLOT has some recommended word counts: 200 words for an episode in a list as part of a season/programme article; 400 words for an article about the episode.)


 * Alternatively, we have lots of other tracking categories, like Category:Television articles that need a synopsis. One common improvement that can be made to a TV article is to add (or expand) a Reception section, by finding online reviews of the episode in reliable sources and adding some key quotes or details from them. You then need to reference the source, which you could do by copying and pasting the code that does that from an article which already has such a section and then changing the relevant details (or, to write the code yourself, the bare minimum is ). With a Reception section, you might be aiming for something like this or this. We have a tracking category for articles which have no Reception section—Category:Television articles that need a response section—but many relevant articles aren't included in it, so you could try a few shows you like and see if any of them are missing a review section.


 * Thanks for your interest in editing, and let me know how you get on! — Bilorv (// W A K E U P //) 20:03, 1 August 2019 (UTC)

I didn't understood your comments on the rating

 * Hello I'm extremely sorry. I couldn't get your reply or the comments you posted on the article rating page. As I have requested for the rating to be done for the article Boss – Baap of Special Services. I understood that episode brief summary is required. But reception it is not available as of now.  As you mentioned that the article is rated start class. But I can't views the changes sir. CrewBeat (talk) 15:05, 3 August 2019 (UTC)
 * hi, and thanks for the message! I actually forgot to update the assessment template—it should now read "Start class". As for Reception, there's no hurry on Wikipedia, and reviews can be added when they become available. — Bilorv (// W A K E U P //) 15:21, 3 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Thanks for responding so fast. And to acknowledge my edit on the article CrewBeat (talk) 15:28, 3 August 2019 (UTC)

Assessment request
Hi Bilorv! Could you please take a quick look at Isabela Moner and assess if the article is 'C' class yet? I'd like a second opinion... Thanks! --IJBall (contribs • talk) 23:25, 4 August 2019 (UTC)
 * yeah, definitely C class, I'd say. I've gone ahead and rated it as such. Thanks for the message! — Bilorv ( talk ) 06:53, 5 August 2019 (UTC)

Request on 10:25:25, 7 August 2019 for assistance on AfC submission by Bobi.1
Hello! You recently rejected my article Draft:1000 km Istanbul because it was not adequately supported by reliable sources (although I added multiple sources to the linked reports in the table). I added these sources to the article now. Can you review it again?

Thanks! Bobi.1 10:25, 7 August 2019 (UTC)
 * thanks for your message! Wikipedia is not a reliable source because anyone can edit it, so your draft did not contain any reliable sources (nor do sources in other Wikipedia pages count, as those pages may change). I imagine that you've been slightly misled by the content of some similar articles, but bear in mind that lots of pages on Wikipedia have serious issues or do not meet our guidelines, so you should refer to policies like WP:RS (in this case, the relevant section of that page is WP:UGC) rather than assuming that other content is correct. I'm not a subject expert but it looks like the sources you have added are reliable and that the subject is notable so I have accepted it as an article (though it is possible that another editor may disagree with my assessment and nominate the page for deletion). If you've got any more questions, you can ask me on this page anytime or ask another volunteer at the Teahouse. Thanks! — Bilorv ( talk ) 10:51, 7 August 2019 (UTC)


 * Thank you for your timely assistance and advice! I will make sure to add all the references available when creating similar articles, and will ask you if I have further questions. Bobi.1 11:03, 7 August 2019 (UTC)

Black Christmas

 * Relevant link: Draft:Black Christmas (2019 film) — Bilorv ( talk ) 13:36, 7 August 2019 (UTC)

I'm sorry I don't understand your reasoning at all. This film has covarge from Deadline, Bloody Disgusting and tons of other reliable sources. It has even finished filming, why exactly should we wait for reviews on this film all the way in December? Having reviews out has never been a demand for a film to be considered notable. Tons upon tons of films have articles before they have reviews out, I've never seen anyone complain about that. As far as I see it the only thing keeping it as a draft accomplishes is that less people will see it and be able to improve it.★Trekker (talk) 11:10, 7 August 2019 (UTC)
 * The coverage is all routine; any planned film receives this level of coverage (and often significantly more than is present in the current draft). If the film were not to be released, and was just cancelled with no further coverage, it wouldn't be notable (it might instead warrant mention at a "Cancelled remake" section of Black Christmas (1974 film)). Hence, it isn't yet notable (per WP:CRYSTAL). We have always required significant (non-routine) coverage of a subject for it to be notable per WP:GNG, and I can't see how it meets WP:NFO either. — Bilorv ( talk ) 11:25, 7 August 2019 (UTC)
 * That really isn't true for low budget films like this one. And no, a film is pretty much never "cancelled" once it's done filming for any other reason but huge catastrophe behind the scenes. If anything I would say it's major WP:CRYSTAL to say it's possible that it might not come out.★Trekker (talk) 11:35, 7 August 2019 (UTC)
 * The limited scope of the film makes a lesser claim to notability, not a stronger one. I'm not saying anything of the sort; I'm merely saying it hasn't come out. You are welcome to post at WP:FILM if you disagree with me (please link this discussion and ping me if you do). (As for your edit summary, you are the one who posted here and my edit notice spells out exactly how I reply to talk page messages.) — Bilorv ( talk ) 11:57, 7 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Yes I edited here, but then you replied on the Draft talkpage first, I just feel it's always best to keep conversation on one place so it's easier to follow. No ill mean I just think it's more convinient for everyone.★Trekker (talk) 12:41, 7 August 2019 (UTC)
 * I replied on the draft page 12 hours before you left me the message here. — Bilorv ( talk ) 13:36, 7 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Really? My mistake.★Trekker (talk) 13:41, 7 August 2019 (UTC)

Request for FAC assistance
Hello! I hope you are doing well. If possible, I would greatly appreciate any assistance with my current FAC. I completely understand if you do not have the time or interest, but I thought that I might as well reach out to ask. Either way, have a great rest of your day! Aoba47 (talk) 20:34, 7 August 2019 (UTC)
 * thanks for the message! I'll take a look at it in the next 48 hours but I'm a bit busy at the moment so I may not have time for a thorough review. — Bilorv ( talk ) 21:50, 7 August 2019 (UTC)
 * No worries. I completely understand. I would appreciate any type of input regardless of the size or thoroughness. Good luck with the stuff keeping you busy! Aoba47 (talk) 22:07, 7 August 2019 (UTC)

Using the album cover art for its songs
Hi. Thanks for starting The 1975 (2019 song), but we don't reuse the album cover art for its songs. Streaming and download services do use the album cover art for its singles as a separate upload when the album is not released yet, but this does not make it the cover art for the single. You essentially just uploaded a JPG version of File:The 1975 - Notes on a Conditional Form.png, which is already in use at the album article, and having an inferior duplicate copy is not really justifiable. Even using the PNG cover on a second article does not really meet fair use criteria, so we don't do it. Thanks.  Ss  112   08:07, 9 August 2019 (UTC)
 * The image is different from that one. Note the text reading the name of the song (confusingly, "The 1975") in the rightmost white panel, which is not present on the NOACF cover. It's specific cover art for that song. — Bilorv ( talk ) 09:42, 9 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Oh, good then. I just assumed it was all the same as they look similar. I have restored it but renamed the file to avoid confusion with the album art.  Ss  112   09:49, 9 August 2019 (UTC)

Assessment request
Hiii, ! I just wanted to inform you that I tried to add a template in the talk page of an article BOSS: Baap of Special Services, which assessment you did on my request. If you could take out a second for me just to inform me, whether I didn't do any mistakes by adding an additional template. CrewBeat (talk) 11:39, 11 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Hi and thanks for the message! Yes, that looks like an appropriate WikiProject and the templates are formatted correctly. — Bilorv ( talk ) 22:00, 11 August 2019 (UTC)

Concern
Hiii, ! I have a concern regarding my edit on the article Sanjivani (2019 TV series) and MTV Hustle which is getting reverted. Am I wrong with my editing capabilities. Or I'm not suitable for Wikipedia. Or just ip user is given the right to contribute Wikipedia with their valid edit. As we have to abide by the 3RR and to have a good rapport with the fellow editor. Thanks CrewBeat (talk) 15:32, 12 August 2019 (UTC)
 * I agree with Narky Blert's response to you, and I'll say another thing. Though it can be hard to get the attention of someone without an account, you should try to do that rather than repeating reverts, even if you do not cross the 3RR threshold. Discussion is always preferred to reverting for situations where it is not obvious whether something should be included or not. — Bilorv ( talk ) 21:13, 12 August 2019 (UTC)

Draft:Black Christmas (2019 film)
In regards to Draft:Black Christmas (2019 film), there have been a lot of refs added and I think it is ready, but the mainspace name is a created redirect from previous work, any ideas where to do from here?Naraht (talk) 11:30, 15 August 2019 (UTC)
 * thanks for the message. I've requested speedy deletion per criterion G6. — Bilorv ( talk ) 12:27, 15 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Thanks for clarifying that AFC doesn't allow approving a draft if the mainspace target is blocked - I wondered if that might be the case having seen this crop up a few times now. This creates something of a conflict with regards to admin workflow so far as I am concerned because G6 says "An administrator who deletes a page that is blocking a move should ensure that the move is completed after deleting it". As an admin, I'm not going to move a draft which has been declined, nor - I think - is it reasonable to expect us to know who the AFC reviewers are and to also infer that the intent is to approve the draft :) I'll raise an issue at the relevant talk page but could you please let me know if it is the AFCH helper script which behaves this way? Thanks! --kingboyk (talk) 13:26, 15 August 2019 (UTC)
 * thanks for the message. It is AFCH, yes. On my end, I'm not happy to move a draft to an incorrect page title, but I guess perhaps I could have pointed in my CSD nomination to my comment on the talk page announcing intention to accept the article. I understand the confusion now and think this is worth discussion (if you start a discussion about it, can you ping me?). I think this ambiguity must have been present since at least 2014, when my first ever created article was moved in this edit from User:Bilorv/sandbox to Bilorv/sandbox in preparation for a move to The Wiggly Finger Catalyst, where a redirect already existed. — Bilorv ( talk ) 13:42, 15 August 2019 (UTC)
 * I quite agree that moving to an incorrect page title isn't desirable. You should by now have received a ping but just in case, here's a headsup to the discussion thread I've created: Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation. Thanks for letting me know about this and for the polite discussion about it. Cheers. --kingboyk (talk) 14:07, 15 August 2019 (UTC)

Aziz Ansari: Right Now
For Category:2010s in comedy, it makes sense to sort by the performer name if it's in the article title. This isn't something I would do if it was a fictional character (as in your "Potter, Harry and the Philosopher's Stone" example). Trivialist (talk) 00:33, 7 September 2019 (UTC)

draft:Laal
Hi, Respected Sir, will you please check this draft:Laal once again? 122.8.46.192 (talk) 15:25, 7 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Thank you for the message. I have nominated the poster you uploaded for deletion because it is a copyright violation; Wikimedia Commons cannot accept copyrighted materials. The draft you have submitted has been improved, but it does not yet demonstrate notability—see WP:NFILM. One indicator that a film is notable is that it has been the subject of at least two critical reviews published in national newspapers. Adding at least two such reviews (preferably as many as possible) would show notability. But sources demonstrating the mere existence of a film or discussing the cast are routine coverage, which is not sufficient to show notability. — Bilorv ( talk ) 16:17, 7 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Respect your opinion. Actually it is not a film, but a television film, and i think it will fall in WP:TVSERIES criteria, and if not that, the telefilm has many coverage from reliable sources, is not that OK to give it space here? I mean it keeps airing on many Pakistani television networks from time to time. 122.8.46.192 (talk) 16:55, 7 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Television films are still films, not series, the key difference being their length and subdivision into episodes (or lack thereof). Most TV films are not notable, because of their limited release and coverage. We need reliable critical reviews to demonstrate notability; if these doesn't exist, then unfortunately this particular TV film is not suitable for a Wikipedia article. — Bilorv ( talk ) 18:06, 7 September 2019 (UTC)

Thanks
Thanks for taking the time to write out the support that you did especially as an early voter. It's much appreciated. I look forward to seeing you around. Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 00:38, 12 September 2019 (UTC)

FAC request
Hello again. Apologies for always leaving a random message on your talk page. I was wondering if you could help out with my current FAC? I completely understand if you do not have the time or interest. I am asking you because you helped out with my previous FAC for "A Nice Day for a Posh Wedding" and your FAC for "San Junipero" shows you have experience with articles on television episodes. Hope you are having a wonderful weekend so far! Aoba47 (talk) 23:49, 14 September 2019 (UTC)
 * thanks for the message! Looks like an interesting article. I'll see if I can take a look at it over the next couple of days. — Bilorv ( talk ) 18:02, 15 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Thank you! Aoba47 (talk) 18:06, 15 September 2019 (UTC)

Sig pronouns
Hi Bilorv, I have occasionally seen a version of your sig with pronouns included. This made me wonder if you were aware of the gender setting option in your profile. Click "Preferences" at the top of any page, and look under "Internationalisation". Setting your gender preference there will alter the behavior of the Them templates accordingly. Cheers, Mathglot (talk) 20:10, 19 September 2019 (UTC)

ITN recognition for September 2019 climate strikes
&mdash; Amakuru (talk) 22:27, 27 September 2019 (UTC)