User talk:Bishopofmadison

November 2012
Hello, I'm Gtwfan52. I noticed that you made a change to an article, Gibbs High School (St. Petersburg, Florida), but you didn't provide a reliable source. It's been removed for now, but if you'd like to include a citation and re-add it, please do so! If you think I made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thank you. Gtwfan52 (talk) 16:35, 27 November 2012 (UTC)

I have recently added sources and hope they meet the standards....this person was a relative of mine and most of the info was common knowledge among relatives. Please let me know if further documentation is needed.

You need enough referenced information to write a Wikipedia article on the man to include him in a list of notable people. Since you will have to do enough research to write the article on him, why not write the article and then add him to the high school's page? On the surface, he appears to pass notability. The standard for notability for a musician is found at WP:NMUSIC. Also, since you are writing about a living person, you should take a look at the special rules for biographies of living persons, WP:BLP. Please note that unpublished information such as what your family might have shared with you, is not usable as a reference for a Wikipedia article. Biographical articles require at least two separate reliable sources to show that a person is notable, and these sources have to show notability as required by the previously mentioned WP:NMUSIC. Just a side note...when you post on a talk page in Wikipedia, you should sign your post by typing four tildes ( ~ ). Thanks. I hope editing properly on Wikipedia is not too daunting a task for you and I will be happy to help you if you decide to continue. Just message me on my talk page. Gtwfan52 (talk) 03:58, 28 November 2012 (UTC)

Did you thoroughly read the articles that I referenced? Also. This person is deceased, so part of your advice does not apply. Are you familiar with the Buddy Johnson Band that he played with and made recordings with? He also formed his own band. I have more articles but I thought his obituary would summarize his accomplishments. Please check the articles out thoroughly and get back with me. Thanks for your assistance. Bishopofmadison (talk) 05:21, 28 November 2012 (UTC)
 * How can I read an article in a Florida newspaper from nearly 30 and 55 years ago? Are these articles available online somewhere?  That isn't to say you cannot use them as reference, but in order to show notability, there is going to have to be some way someone can read them.  What WP:NMUSIC requires for a musician to establish notability is placing a record on a chart as the primary musician, not as a member of a band; the nomination for a limited list of worldwide recognized awards (e.g., but not limited to, Grammy); or reviews of his work (not the band's work, but his individual work) in either numerous reliable sources of local nature, like newspapers (from multiple locations) or the same type of review in a publication of wide circulation, such as a music magazine.


 * Please note that I want to see this dude in the encyclopedia, but I cannot seem to find any sources googling his name. If you can find sources, please let me know and I will figure out a way to get at them so I can write the article for you.  Then it won't be a problem to put him on the list of notables from Gibbs.  I am a big fan of the blues and want to see a wider representation of blues musicians here.  Books work, too and a lot of older books are available on google books.  I monitor a lot of school articles for notability of people added to notable lists.  As you might guess, there is a lot of that.  What is required for listing on a list of notable people is notability on a wide level.  The person must have been noticed on a wide basis, and must show importance to the world, not just the school.  I will be glad to help you with the writing if you can find me sources.  I have virtually no access to reference material other than the internet.  That's the cost of living in a wonderful small town.  Hope we can find a way to make this work for you. Gtwfan52 (talk) 06:01, 28 November 2012 (UTC)

The articles are on the net. Go to Google News Search Archives(You must go the Google News Archive Search)...an extensive section of old newspapers...make sure you search within the date of the article July 1984. Try this link:http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=Jf9RAAAAIBAJ&sjid=PHYDAAAAIBAJ&dq=frank%20royals&pg=6581%2C3592265. Bishopofmadison (talk) 06:14, 28 November 2012 (UTC)

The obituary link http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=FK4zAAAAIBAJ&sjid=hFkDAAAAIBAJ&pg=5978%2C2176745. Bishopofmadison (talk) 06:17, 28 November 2012 (UTC) Any luck yet?Bishopofmadison (talk) 06:24, 28 November 2012 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the links, but I am sorry to say I see nothing in them that indicates Mr. Royals would reach the notability standard for musicians. This is not to demean his talents in any way.  It is simply a statement of fact.  It is not unusual for a band member to not have the independent notability to meet the Wikipedia notability requirements.  From what you have shown me, it seems that his only independent notice is for local things in St. Pete.  Generally that is not enough to make a person notable for the purpose of creating a Wikipedia article on them.  Gtwfan52 (talk) 06:45, 28 November 2012 (UTC)